{"id":3785,"date":"2015-10-05T19:17:17","date_gmt":"2015-10-05T23:17:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=3785"},"modified":"2017-05-18T16:55:27","modified_gmt":"2017-05-18T20:55:27","slug":"should-catholics-ditch-the-word-conservative","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/should-catholics-ditch-the-word-conservative.html","title":{"rendered":"Should Catholics Not Identify by the Word, &#8220;Conservative&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/10\/BuckleyReagan.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-3786 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/10\/BuckleyReagan.jpg\" alt=\"C33301-23\" width=\"550\" height=\"370\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Catholic William F. Buckley (1925-2008) and President Ronald Reagan: two giant figures in modern American political conservatism, at Reagan\u2019s birthday party, 7 February 1986\u00a0<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:William_F._Buckley,_Jr._with_President_Reagan_1986.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">[originally from Facebook, 4 July 2014]<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Michael Liccione, a friend who has a doctorate in philosophy, wrote:<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823; padding-left: 30px;\">I will no longer call myself a \u201cconservative\u201d or a \u201cliberal\u201d in either the political or the religious sense. The terms are inherently ideological, and I oppose ideology as distinct from being principled.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">I think I understand what he is saying, but I disagreed, and wrote: \u201cConservative\u201d is not a dirty word. It just has to be qualified and clarified. \u2018Catholic conservative\u2019 or \u2018Catholic distributist conservative\u2019 does just fine for me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">There are different types, after all, for words as large and lumpy as \u201cliberal\u201d and \u201cconservative.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">The problem is being more conservative or American than Catholic (and\/or being idolatrous), and I think<em> that<\/em>\u00a0is what Michael was\u00a0really reacting to, bottom line, or at a gut level. Insofar as it is, I\u2019m right with him\u00a0there.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">It\u2019s also silly for anyone to imagine that he transcends all categories and descriptions, as if he were <em>sui generis<\/em>. We simply have to define our terms and explain to someone who asks us. That takes time, and no mere word (especially very malleable and broad and subjective political terms) can suffice. But I don\u2019t think it follows that we ditch the word. Rather, we elaborate on what it means in <em>our\u00a0<\/em>specific case.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">The same dynamic applies in saying we are \u201cCatholic\u201d or \u201cChristian.\u201d There are so many types, that for those outside our niche (mine would be \u201corthodox Catholic, who accepts all that the Church teaches\u201d), we have to explain.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">It\u2019s also true that there is clearly a thing called \u201cliberal theology\u201d (adherents call themselves that: or at least used to, when it was far more fashionable). In many contexts, we who are not liberal theologically have to distance ourselves from that, and so, the necessity for some label. My own preference is \u201corthodox\u201d because it means literally \u201ccorrect belief,\u201d and it avoids any political connotation, since it isn\u2019t a political word, and is mostly a religious one.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Dr. Philip Blosser (professor of philosophy and another friend) wrote: \u201cAnd that\u2019s precisely the trouble, isn\u2019t it? To be clear, one has to launch into a lecture every time you use the term, practically, at least if you wish to be precisely understood.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">But that\u2019s true of <em>all\u00a0<\/em>descriptive terms, though, ain\u2019t it?: especially political and religious ones. So I don\u2019t think ditching common terms is the solution. We must explain their meaning (assuming it is somewhat malleable in usage, as is the case here) with more specificity.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Otherwise, the same problem arises that Dr. Blosser\u00a0notes. Michael ditches \u201cconservative\u201d and \u201cliberal\u201d \u2014 so someone comes up and asks him, \u201cwhat category are you, in religion [or] \/ politics?\u201d Now, either he launches into a lengthy explanation, since he has ditched the terms that make conversation at least relatively more efficient and practical, or he goes back to keeping some known term, but explaining it more carefully and precisely.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Either way, lots of talk is required.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">So for me (to use myself as an example of how my method works), if I\u2019m asked what I believe, politically, I say \u201cconservative.\u201d If asked \u201cwhat kind?\u201d I say \u201cCatholic distributist conservative.\u201d Then, of course, I have to explain distributism and describe what kind of Catholic I am.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Asked about religion, I say, \u201cCatholic.\u201d What kind? \u201cOrthodox Catholic\u201d. What does <em>that<\/em>\u00a0mean? \u201cOne who accepts all the doctrines that are infallibly taught by the Catholic Church.\u201d If asked what those are, I start recommending <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">my books<\/a>, that explain <em>what<\/em> they are and especially <em>why<\/em> we believe them. :-)<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">\n<\/p><\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Catholic William F. Buckley (1925-2008) and President Ronald Reagan: two giant figures in modern American political conservatism, at Reagan\u2019s birthday party, 7 February 1986\u00a0 [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons] [originally from Facebook, 4 July 2014] Michael Liccione, a friend who has a doctorate in philosophy, wrote: I will no longer call myself a \u201cconservative\u201d or [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":3786,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[289],"tags":[1015,1034,1038,1035,1037,1036],"class_list":["post-3785","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-political-ethical-moral-issues","tag-catholic-social-teaching","tag-conservative","tag-orthodox","tag-political-conservative","tag-political-terminology","tag-religiously-conservative"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Should Catholics Not Identify by the Word, &quot;Conservative&quot;?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"All descriptive terms, especially political and religious ones like &quot;conservative&quot; need to be clarified. 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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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