{"id":38418,"date":"2019-09-11T12:09:45","date_gmt":"2019-09-11T16:09:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=38418"},"modified":"2019-09-11T13:45:51","modified_gmt":"2019-09-11T17:45:51","slug":"loftus-atheist-error-10-prophet-jeremiah-vs-mosaic-law","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/09\/loftus-atheist-error-10-prophet-jeremiah-vs-mosaic-law.html","title":{"rendered":"Loftus Atheist Error #10: Prophet Jeremiah vs. Mosaic Law?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-38448\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2019\/09\/Jeremiah2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"577\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is the last of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=loftus+atheist+error+%23\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">my ten critiques<\/a> of<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Why-Became-Atheist-Preacher-Christianity\/dp\/1616145773\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Why I Became an Atheist<\/em><\/a>,<span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0by <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_W._Loftus\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John W. Loftus<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I first ran across former Christian minister <\/span>Loftus <span style=\"color: #000000;\">back in 2006. We dialogued about the<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/02\/dialogue-w-atheist-john-loftus-problem-evil.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">problem of evil<\/a>, <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/is-god-in-time-vs-john-w-loftus.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">whether God was in time<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">During that period I also<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/critique-of-atheist-john-w-loftus-deconversion-story.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">replied to an online version of his deconversion<\/a>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">which (like my arguments about<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/critique-of-atheist-john-loftus-re-a-timeless-god.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">God and time<\/a>) he <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/atheist-john-loftus-reacts-to-my-analysis-of-his-deconversion.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">didn\u2019t care for at all<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">I\u2019ve<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=deconversion\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">critiqued <em>many<\/em> atheist deconversion stories<\/a>, <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and maintain a<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/atheism-agnosticism-secularism-index.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">very extensive web page about atheism<\/a>.\u00a0In 2007\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/reply-to-atheist-john-loftus-outsider-test-of-faith-series-2.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">I critiqued his \u201cOutsider Test of Faith\u201d series<\/a>:<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> to which he gave no response.\u00a0Loftus\u2019 biggest objection to my critique of his descent into atheism was that I responded to what he called a<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cbrief testimony.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">He wrote in December 2006 (his words in<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">henceforth):<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Deconversion stories are piecemeal. They cannot give a full explanation for why someone left the faith. They only give hints at why they left the faith. It requires writing a whole book about why someone left the faith to understand why they did, and few people do that. I did. If you truly want to critique my deconversion story then critique my book. . . .\u00a0I challenge you to really critique the one deconversion story that has been published in a book. . . .\u00a0Do you accept my challenge?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I declined at that time, mainly (but not solely) for the following stated reason:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span id=\"c116534867899501944\" class=\"commentshown\" style=\"color: #000000;\">If you send me your book in an e-file for free, I\u2019d be more than happy to critique it. I won\u2019t buy it, and I refuse to type long portions of it when it is possible to cut-and-paste. That is an important factor since my methodology is Socratic and point-by-point. . . .\u00a0<\/span><span id=\"c116534867899501944\" class=\"commentshown\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">You railed against that, saying that it was a<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201chandout.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">I responded that you could have any of my (14 completed) books in e-book form for free.<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Throughout August 2019, I critiqued Dr. David Madison, a prominent contributor to Loftus\u2019 website, <em>Debunking Christianity<\/em>,<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=David+Madison\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">no less than 35 times<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">As of this writing, they remain<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/08\/angry-atheist-ring-around-the-rosey-example-763.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> completely unanswered<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">I was simply providing (as a courtesy) links to my critiques underneath each article of Dr. Madison\u2019s, till Loftus decided I couldn\u2019t do that (after having<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/08\/do-i-hate-atheists-or-anyone-heres-the-record.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">claimed that I \u201chate\u201d atheists<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and indeed,<em> everyone<\/em> I disagree with).<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/08\/atheist-loftus-answers-censors-my-34-replies-to-dr-madison.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">I replied at length<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">regarding his censorship on his website. Loftus\u2019 explanation for the complete non-reply to my 35 critiques was this:<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cWe know we can respond. It\u2019s just that we don\u2019t have the time to do so. Plus, it\u2019s pretty clear our time would be better spent doing something else than wrestling in the mud with you.\u201d <\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Meanwhile, I discovered that Dr. Madison wrote glowingly about Loftus on 1-23-17:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">When the history of Christianity\u2019s demise is written (it will fade eventually away, as do all religions), your name will feature prominently as one who helped bring the world to its senses. Your legacy is secure and is much appreciated.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This was<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2017\/01\/why-have-i-been-unusually-quite-lately.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">underneath an article<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">where Loftus claimed:<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI\u2019ve kicked this dead rodent of the Christian faith into a lifeless blob so many times there is nothing left of it.\u201d<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> I hadn\u2019t realized that Loftus had single-handedly managed to accomplish the stupendous feat of vanquishing the Hideous Beast of Christianity (something the Roman Empire, Muslims, Communists, and many others all miserably failed to do). Loftus waxed humbly and modestly<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2017\/02\/the-2017-debunking-christianity.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">ten days later<\/a>: <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI cannot resist the supposition that my books are among the best. . . . Every one of my books is unique, doing what few other atheist books have done, if any of them.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">These last three cited statements put me \u201cover the edge\u201d and I decided to buy a used copy of his book,<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Why-Became-Atheist-Preacher-Christianity\/dp\/1616145773\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Why I Became an Atheist<\/em> <\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(revised version, 2012, 536 pages) and critique it, as he wanted me to do in 2006. Moreover<\/span>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/www.debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">on 8-27-07<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">he made a blanket challenge about the original version of this book:<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI challenge someone to try this with my book. I might learn a few things, and that\u2019s always a goal of mine. Pick it up and deal with as many arguments in it that you can. Deal with them all if you can.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">His wish is granted (I think he will at length<em> regret<\/em> it), and this will be my primary project (as a<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/my-literary-resume.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">professional apologist<\/a>)<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> in the coming weeks. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Despite all his confident bluster, I fully\u00a0<em>expect<\/em>\u00a0him to ignore my critiques: just like Madison and \u201cBible Basher\u201d Bob Seidensticker, who <em>also<\/em> has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/atheist-bob-seidensticker-intellectual-coward-my-32-critiques.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">ignored 35 of my critiques<\/a> (that <em>he<\/em> requested I do). If Loftus decides to defend his views, I\u2019m here; always have been. And I won\u2019t flee for the hills, like atheists habitually do, when faced with substantive criticism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The words of John Loftus <\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">will be in<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Judge Jephthah sacrificed his daughter to \u201cGod\u201d (Judg. 11:39). Was the God of the universe really pleased at that? (p. 266).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is at least the second time that Loftus has brought this up in his book. Scripture repeatedly states that God disapproved of such acts as abominable, evil, and wicked. It couldn\u2019t be more clear and definite than it is. But since Loftus can\u2019t trouble himself to discover that, I\u2019ve collected the passages in<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/12\/god-command-jephthah-burn-daughter.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">my paper on the topic<\/a>:<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> for folks who are actually willing to give the Bible and God a fair shake (rather than cherry-pick what merely appears to support his case, and ignoring passages that don\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The prophet Jeremiah did not like some of the scribes, so God told him<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[cites Jeremiah 8:7-9]:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 8:7b-9a<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0(RSV) . . . my people know not\u00a0the ordinance of the LORD.\u00a0[8] \u201cHow can you say, `We are wise,\u00a0and the law of the LORD is with us\u2019?\u00a0But, behold, the false pen of the scribes\u00a0has made it into a lie.\u00a0[9] The wise men shall be put to shame,\u00a0they shall be dismayed and taken; . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">What did God just say to Jeremiah? He said lying scribes have falsely altered the law and that there are lies in it! Jeremiah even denies God instituted the priestly sacrificial system. God says through him<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[he cites Jeremiah 7:22-23, omitting the first part of 7:22, which I include]:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 7:22-23<\/strong> For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.\u00a0[23] But this command I gave them, \u2018Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people; and walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.\u2019<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">. . . Jeremiah \u201cdenies categorically that a command to offer sacrifice was part of the divine law at all,\u201d<\/span> [he cited Burton Scott Easton] <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">even though in the book of Leviticus, Moses supposedly gave detailed instruction about who were to offer sacrifices, where they were to do so, and how. (p. 300)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Concerning Jeremiah 8:7-9,<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/pulpit\/jeremiah\/8.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Pulpit Commentary<\/em><\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">explains:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jeremiah is evidently addressing the priests and the prophets, whom he so constantly described as among the chief causes of Judah\u2019s ruin (comp. Ver. 10;<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/jeremiah\/2-8.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeremiah 2:8, 26<\/a>;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/jeremiah\/4-9.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeremiah 4:9<\/a>;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/jeremiah\/5-31.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeremiah 5:31<\/a>), <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and who, in Isaiah\u2019s day, regarded it as an unwarrantable assumption on the part of that prophet to pretend to instruct them in their duty<\/span> (<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/isaiah\/28-9.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Isaiah 28:9<\/a>).\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span class=\"cmt_word\">The law of the Lord is with us<\/span>. \u201cWith us;\u201d\u00a0<span class=\"accented\">i<\/span>.<span class=\"accented\">e<\/span>. in our hands and mouths. (comp. Psalm 1:16). The word\u00a0<span class=\"accented\">torah<\/span>, commonly rendered\u201d Law,\u201d is ambiguous, and a difference of opinion as to the meaning of this verse is inevitable. Some think these self-styled \u201cwise\u201d men reject Jeremiah\u2019s counsels on the ground that they already have the divinely given Law in a written form (comp.<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/romans\/2-17.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Romans 2:17-20<\/a>),<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> and that the Divine revelation is complete. Others that\u00a0<span class=\"accented\">torah<\/span>\u00a0here, as often elsewhere in the prophets (e.g.\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/isaiah\/1-10.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Isaiah 1:10<\/a>;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/isaiah\/8-16.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Isaiah 8:16<\/a>;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/isaiah\/42-4.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Isaiah 42:4<\/a>),<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> simply means \u201cinstruction,\u201d or \u201cdirection,\u201d and describes the authoritative counsel given orally by the priests<\/span> (<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/deuteronomy\/17-11.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deuteronomy 17:11<\/a>) <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and prophets to those who consulted them on points of ritual and practice respectively. The usage of Jeremiah himself favors the latter view (see<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/jeremiah\/2-8.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeremiah 2:8<\/a>;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/jeremiah\/18-18.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeremiah 18:18<\/a>; a<span style=\"color: #000000;\">nd especially Jeremiah 26:4, 5, where \u201cto walk in my\u00a0<span class=\"accented\">Torah\u201d<\/span>\u00a0is parallel to \u201cto hearken to the words of my servants the prophets.\u201d The context equally points in this direction. The most natural interpretation, then, is this: The opponents of Jeremiah bade him keep his exhortations to himself, seeing that they themselves were wise and the divinely appointed teachers of the people. To this Jeremiah replies, not (as the Authorized Version renders)\u00a0<span class=\"cmt_word\">Lo, certainly in vain made he it<\/span>, etc.; but,\u00a0<span class=\"accented\">Yea<\/span>,\u00a0<span class=\"accented\">behold I for a lie hath it wrought \u2013 the lying pen of the scribes<\/span>\u00a0(so Authorized Version, margin).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/ellicott\/jeremiah\/8.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ellicott\u2019s Commentary for English Readers<\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">concurs:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The meaning of the clause is clear. The sophistry of men was turning the truth of God into a lie, and emptying it of its noblest meaning. Already, as in other things, so here, in his protest against the teaching of the scribes, with their traditional and misleading casuistry, Jeremiah appears as foreshadowing the prophet of Nazareth<\/span> (<a title=\"For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/context\/matthew\/5-20.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Matthew 5:20-48<\/a>;\u00a0<a title=\"Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/context\/matthew\/23-2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Matthew 23:2-26<\/a>).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The phrase \u201cmade it into a lie: is, I think, obviously, referring to a corruption or distortion of a teaching or practice which was itself good. Hence, later Jesus cites the same Jeremiah with regard to corruption of temple worship:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Luke 19:46<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cIt is written, \u2018My house shall be a house of prayer\u2019; <em>but you have<b>\u00a0<\/b>made it<\/em>\u00a0a den of robbers.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jeremiah condemned this very thing elsewhere:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 2:8<\/strong>\u00a0The priests did not say, \u2018Where is the LORD?\u2019\u00a0<em>Those who handle the law<\/em> did not know me;\u00a0the rulers transgressed against me;\u00a0the prophets prophesied by Ba\u2019al,\u00a0and went after things that do not profit.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">As to Jeremiah 7:22-23,<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/ellicott\/jeremiah\/7.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Ellicott\u2019s Commentary for English Readers<\/em><\/a> states:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The words seem at first hard to reconcile with the multiplied rules as to sacrifices both in Exodus and Leviticus. They are, however, rightly understood, strictly in harmony with the facts. They were not the end contemplated. The first promulgation of the Law, the basis of the covenant with Israel, contemplated a spiritual, ethical religion, of which the basis was found in the ten great Words, or commandments, of Exodus 20. . . . The book of Deuteronomy, representing the higher truth from which Moses started<\/span> (<a title=\"Now therefore, if you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure to me above all people: for all the earth is mine:\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/exodus\/19-5.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Exodus 19:5<\/a>),<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> and upon which he at last fell back, bore its witness to the original purport of the Law<\/span> (<a title=\"Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with you, and that you may increase mightily, as the LORD God of your fathers has promised you, in the land that flows with milk and honey.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/deuteronomy\/6-3.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deuteronomy 6:3<\/a>;\u00a0<a title=\"And now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require of you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/deuteronomy\/10-12.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deuteronomy 10:12<\/a>). <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Its re-discovery under Josiah left, here as elsewhere, its impress on the mind of Jeremiah; but prophets, as in<\/span>\u00a0<a title=\"And Samuel said, Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/1_samuel\/15-22.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">1Samuel 15:22<\/a>;\u00a0<a title=\"For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/hosea\/6-6.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Hosea 6:6<\/a>;\u00a0<a title=\"Because Ephraim has made many altars to sin, altars shall be to him to sin.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/context\/hosea\/8-11.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Hosea 8:11-13<\/a>;\u00a0<a title=\"I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/context\/amos\/5-21.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Amos 5:21-27<\/a>;\u00a0<a title=\"With which shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/context\/micah\/6-6.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Micah 6:6-8<\/a>; <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Psalms 50, 51, had all along borne a like witness, even while recognising to the full the fact and the importance of a sacrificial ritual.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In other passages, Jeremiah is clearly fully supportive of the sacrifices of the Mosaic Law, including the priestly function (i.e., those who ritually offered the sacrifices:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 17:26\u00a0<\/strong>And people shall come from the cities of Judah and the places round about Jerusalem, from the land of Benjamin, from the Shephe\u2019lah, from the hill country, and from the Negeb, bringing burnt offerings and sacrifices, cereal offerings and frankincense, and bringing thank offerings to the house of the LORD.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 33:18<\/strong>\u00a0and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn cereal offerings, and to make sacrifices for ever. . . . [21]\u00a0then also my covenant with David my servant may be broken, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and my covenant with the Levitical priests my ministers.\u00a0[22] As the host of heaven cannot be numbered and the sands of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the descendants of David my servant, and the Levitical priests who minister to me.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Thus, our task is to interpret and understand Jeremiah 7:22-23 (which appears <em>prima facie<\/em> at odds) in harmony with those. It\u2019s the biblical hermeneutical principle of \u201cinterpret less clear verses by more clear related passages.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">And this is pretty easy to do, simply by reading the progression of events whereby God delivered the law to Moses, and he delivered it in turn to the Hebrews:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Exodus 19:1-8<\/strong>\u00a0On the third new moon after the people of Israel had gone forth out of the land of Egypt, on that day they came into the wilderness of Sinai.\u00a0[2] And when they set out from Reph\u2019idim and came into the wilderness of Sinai, they encamped in the wilderness; and there Israel encamped before the mountain.\u00a0[3] And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him out of the mountain, saying, \u201cThus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the people of Israel:\u00a0[4] You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles\u2019 wings and brought you to myself.\u00a0[5] Now therefore, if you will obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my own possession among all peoples; for all the earth is mine,\u00a0[6] and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.\u201d\u00a0[7]\u00a0So Moses came and called the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which the LORD had commanded him.\u00a0[8] And all the people answered together and said, \u201cAll that the LORD has spoken we will do.\u201d And Moses reported the words of the people to the LORD.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Note a few things about this. First of all, Jeremiah was citing by paraphrase (which was perfectly acceptable in ancient Hebrew culture), part of this passage: <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Exodus 19:3, 5-6 <\/strong>. . .<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>and the LORD called to him out of the mountain, saying, \u201cThus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the people of Israel: . . . [5]\u00a0Now therefore, if you will obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my own possession among all peoples; for all the earth is mine,\u00a0[6] and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. . . .\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 7:23<\/strong>\u00a0But this command I gave them, \u2018Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people; and walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.\u2019<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The second thing to note is the <em>timing<\/em>. This was before the law was delivered; even before the Ten Commandments were received. Therefore, it was before the time that God instructed the Hebrews through Moses, of the sacrificial system and laws. Hence, Jeremiah (far from denying <em>anything<\/em>\u00a0in and of this whole process) accurately describes this particular moment in salvation history: \u201cFor in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices\u201d (7:22). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The command described in Exodus and reiterated by Jeremiah was <em>chronologically prior to<\/em> the sacrificial commands (part of the overall Law). God gave Moses the Ten Commandments two days later (see Ex 19:10-12 ff.). The Ten Commandments themselves (Ex 20:3-17) did not contain anything about sacrifices. But God introduced it at the same time he gave Moses the Commandments:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Exodus 20:24<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0An altar of earth you shall make for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause my name to be remembered I will come to you and bless you.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Again, this was two days after the simpler and broad ethical commandment that Jeremiah cites from Exodus in Jeremiah 7:23. It\u2019s all explained by consulting the text in Exodus which Jeremiah cited. Once one does that , the supposed \u201cproblem\u201d vanishes. Meanwhile, as Moses was on Mt. Sinai communicating with God, the people below decided to make an idolatrous golden calf (Ex 32:1-8). Moses\u2019 \u201canger grew hot\u201d, and he \u201cthrew the tables out of his hands and broke them at the foot of the mountain\u201d (Ex 32:19). Thus, the people <em>still<\/em> hadn\u2019t heard even the Ten Commandments, let alone the sacrificial instructions. But they had heard the \u201cpre-sacrificial\u201d command that Jeremiah referred to (Ex 19:7-8, above).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Later, the text informs us that Moses made two new tablets for the Ten Commandments and went up on Mt Sinai again (Ex 34:1-4), where he communed with God for forty days and nights (34:28), and then communicated with the people, the Law that he had received from God (which included the sacrifices: Ex 34:32; 35:1). So where\u2019s the <em>beef<\/em>?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Once again, context (mostly, simply <em>reading<\/em> the relevant passages involved) demolishes the \u201chigher critical\u201d anti-scriptural bloviations of the former Christian atheists, who seem constitutionally <em>unable<\/em> to comprehend and practice simple cross-referencing and consideration of textual context. It\u2019s embarrassing to have to point this out 7,167 times. But such is one of the repetitive tasks of the apologist, in correcting folks who \u201cwill not endure sound teaching, but having<b>\u00a0<\/b>itching\u00a0ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings\u201d (2 Tim 4:3). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I\u2019m honored and privileged to have the opportunity to defend God\u2019s inspired revelation, the Bible, over against those who seek to savage it without cause or reason.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Photo credit:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><i>Jeremiah on the ruins of Jerusalem<\/i> (1844), by Horace Vernet (1789-1863)<\/span> [public domain \/<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:SA_160-Jeremia_op_de_puinhopen_van_Jeruzalem.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is the last of my ten critiques of\u00a0Why I Became an Atheist,\u00a0by John W. Loftus. I first ran across former Christian minister Loftus back in 2006. We dialogued about the problem of evil, and whether God was in time. During that period I also\u00a0replied to an online version of his deconversion: which (like my [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":38448,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[124,31,448],"tags":[2519,9408,1043,745,258,9411,2639,9137,1054,335,525,6519,1367,648,9414,647,1061,9417],"class_list":["post-38418","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atheism-agnosticism","category-bible-and-tradition","category-jews-judaism-old-testament","tag-alleged-biblical-contradictions","tag-anti-christian-polemics","tag-anti-theism","tag-anti-theists","tag-atheism","tag-atheist-deconversion","tag-atheist-exegesis","tag-atheist-hermeneutics","tag-atheist-christian-dialogue","tag-atheists","tag-bible-contradictions","tag-contradictions-in-the-bible","tag-critiques-of-christianity","tag-debunking-christianity","tag-former-christian-atheists","tag-john-loftus","tag-john-w-loftus","tag-why-i-became-an-atheist"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Loftus Atheist Error #10: Prophet Jeremiah vs. Mosaic Law?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Installment of a lengthy series of critiques of former Christian atheist author John W. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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