{"id":3973,"date":"2015-10-14T12:59:21","date_gmt":"2015-10-14T16:59:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=3973"},"modified":"2017-05-17T15:47:18","modified_gmt":"2017-05-17T19:47:18","slug":"my-books-2-the-catholic-verses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/my-books-2-the-catholic-verses.html","title":{"rendered":"My Apologetics Books (#2): &#8220;The Catholic Verses&#8221; (2004)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2006\/07\/Catholic-Verses-550x834.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-3293 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2006\/07\/Catholic-Verses-550x834.jpg\" alt=\"Catholic Verses (550x834)\" width=\"550\" height=\"834\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">[see the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-catholic_31.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0information page for this book<\/a>, for full details and all purchase options]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(published by Sophia Institute Press in August 2004; 2<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">35<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0pages)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">* * * * *\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #666666;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This was my third \u201cofficial\u201d publication in as many years, back in 2004, and the first of several, working with editor Todd Aglialoro: whose initial idea it was. The purpose and structure of this book (one of the most unique of all my books) was not simply a presentation of Catholic prooftexts (my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/03\/books-by-dave-armstrong-biblical-3.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths<\/em><\/a> is that). Rather, the idea is the following (from the Introduction):<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #666666; padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">. . . a critique of common Protestant attempts to ignore, explain away, rationalize, wish away, overpolemicize, minimize, de-emphasize, evade clear consequences of, or special plead with regard to \u201cthe Catholic Verses\u201d: ninety-five biblical passages that provide the foundation for Catholicism\u2019s most distinctive doctrines. . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #666666; padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I will assert . . . the ultimate incoherence, inadequacy, inconsistency, or exegetical and theological implausibility of the Protestant interpretations, and will submit the Catholic views as exegetically and logically superior alternatives.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #666666;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The structure ensures that the volume is relatively more \u201cpolemical\u201d than other works of mine, but polemics is not a bad thing, if done right, and often in apologetics it is absolutely necessary. One must sometimes throw some \u201ccounter-punches,\u201d so to speak. I document and \u201cargue with\u201d inadequate Protestant responses to our prooftexts and show how even some of the best Protestant exegetes start to play games and special plead when they have no cogent alternative explanation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #666666;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The two verses that were the most fun to deal with were the ones about \u201cbaptism for the dead\u201d (what I called \u201cthe most \u2018un-Protestant\u2019 verse in the Bible\u201d) and Paul\u2019s prayer for the dead man Onesiphorus. Protestant explanations for those passages might be described (with charity) as \u201chigh comedy.\u201d In any event, it makes for some entertaining reading to watch what they try to do with them. Apologetics is often a lot of fun!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823; text-align: center;\">From the book\u2019s Introduction:<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">I shall contend throughout this book that, far too often, Protestants do not take all of Scripture into account, and that they are guilty of eisegesis (reading into Scripture one\u2019s own presuppositions), at least as often as Catholics are, if not more often. Protestants (especially on a popular level) often emphasize relatively few \u201cproof texts\u201d to the exclusion of a great deal of relevant biblical data.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Moreover, only rarely do they seriously engage the biblical texts utilized by Catholics to support their positions through the centuries. In probably most cases, they are not even aware of any passages that a Catholic might use to prove anything that would be contrary to Protestantism. Habitually, they do not even entertain the possibility. For many Protestants, such a state of affairs is literally impossible. It is not supposed to happen. When Catholics and Protestants grapple over the Bible and its interpretation, Protestants must always win (so they casually assume).<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">I hasten to add \u2013 and emphasize to the greatest degree \u2014 that these tendencies of bias and subjectivism and subconscious influence of denominational traditions do not necessarily entail a deliberate attempt to ignore or to twist Scripture. Every serious student of the Bible comes to the biblical text with a theological framework, in order to interpret it and make sense of it in its entirety. This is proper and right, and no one should have any objection to it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Both Catholics and Protestants engage in systematic theology, a method which involves finding proof texts for a given doctrine. In so doing, men will have honest disagreements, in good faith. We highly respect the devotion to Bible study and to theological reflection exhibited by many of our Protestant brethren \u2013 often putting Catholics to shame.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">. . .\u00a0This is not a scholarly work, as I am no scholar in the first place, but merely a lay Catholic apologist; but it is not \u201canti-scholarly,\u201d and I will incorporate scholarship wherever necessary to substantiate the argument.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">. . . I will assert \u2013 with all due respect and, I hope, with a minimum of \u201ctriumphalism\u201d \u2014 the ultimate incoherence, inadequacy, inconsistency, or exegetical and theological implausibility of the Protestant interpretations, and will submit the Catholic views as exegetically and logically superior alternatives.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">. . . If this book can convince the reader that Catholicism is at least as \u201cbiblically respectable\u201d as any brand of Protestantism, I will have succeeded in my goal. In any event, I trust that all students of the Bible will be interested in comparative exegesis and a side-by-side analysis of competing views. Of course my ultimate aim is persuasion, but increased understanding (even while disagreement remains) is also a worthy accomplishment.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[see the\u00a0information page for this book, for full details and all purchase options] (published by Sophia Institute Press in August 2004; 235\u00a0pages) * * * * *\u00a0 This was my third \u201cofficial\u201d publication in as many years, back in 2004, and the first of several, working with editor Todd Aglialoro: whose initial idea it was. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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