{"id":4114,"date":"2015-10-22T12:42:19","date_gmt":"2015-10-22T16:42:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=4114"},"modified":"2017-05-17T12:10:52","modified_gmt":"2017-05-17T16:10:52","slug":"biblical-evidence-for-worship-of-god-via-an-image","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/biblical-evidence-for-worship-of-god-via-an-image.html","title":{"rendered":"Biblical Evidence for Worship of God Via an Image"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\">For example,<strong> the\u00a0Pillars of Cloud and Fire and the Burning Bush<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/10\/PillarofCloud2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-4117 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/10\/PillarofCloud2.jpg\" alt=\"PillarofCloud2\" width=\"580\" height=\"395\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>Joshua passing the River Jordan with the Ark of the Covenant<\/em> (1800), by Benjamin West (1738-1820)<\/span> [public domain \/<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Benjamin_West_-_Joshua_passing_the_River_Jordan_with_the_Ark_of_the_Covenant_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">(6-24-11)<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * * *<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p>Sometimes we miss things in the Bible, though they are right in front of us. Some of our Protestant brethren (mainly Calvinists but some other denominations as well) have an almost obsessive fear of any image associated with worship at all, thinking that all such manifestations are examples of idolatry and undue exaltation of a \u201cgraven image\u201d. This has led some fanatical elements to oppose even crucifixes and statues of Christ as idols. In other words, all images whatsoever are collapsed in this wrongheaded mentality into the category of the \u201cgraven image\u201d in the Ten Commandments.\u00a0 But the Bible doesn\u2019t take this view at all. Here is one striking example:<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote><p><b style=\"color: blue;\">Exodus 33:8-10<\/b>\u00a0(RSV) Whenever Moses went out to the tent, all the people rose up, and every man stood at his tent door, and\u00a0<b><span style=\"color: red;\">looked<\/span>\u00a0after Moses<\/b>, until he had gone into the tent. [9] When Moses entered the tent,\u00a0<b>the pillar of cloud would descend and stand at the door of the tent<\/b>, and the LORD would speak with Moses. [10] And\u00a0<b>when all the people\u00a0<span style=\"color: red;\">saw<\/span>\u00a0the pillar of cloud<\/b>\u00a0standing at the door of the tent,\u00a0<b>all the people would rise up and worship<\/b>, every man at his tent door.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Note that the pillar of cloud is:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) a\u00a0<b>creation<\/b>\u00a0(water, if a literal cloud);<\/p>\n<p>2)\u00a0<b>visual<\/b>, hence an<i>\u00a0image<\/i>;<\/p>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<p>3) thought to directly\u00a0<b>represent<\/b>\u00a0God Himself.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>It\u2019s also a supernatural manifestation, which is a major difference compared to any true idol made by the hands of men; but that would make no difference for those who mistakenly hold that\u00a0<i>any image whatsoever<\/i>\u00a0associated with God is impermissible. The problem comes when\u00a0<i>God Himself expressly sanctions<\/i>\u00a0such images, and worship in conjunction with them, as here.<\/p>\n<p>The same iconoclasts (opposers of images) have to explain away things like the burning bush (Ex 3:2-6), which is not only fire, but also called an \u201cangel of the Lord\u201d (Ex 3:2), yet also \u201cGod\u201d (3:4, 6, 11, 13-16, 18; 4:5, 7-8) and \u201cthe\u00a0LORD\u201d (3:7, 16, 18; 4:2, 4-6, 10-11, 14) interchangeably. An angel is a creation (as is fire and cloud); yet God chose to use a created being and inanimate objects to visibly represent Him. Several similar instances occur in the Old Testament. Moreover, the Jews \u201cworshiped\u201d fire as representative of God in the following passage:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b style=\"color: blue;\">2 Chronicles 7:1-4<\/b>\u00a0When Solomon had ended his prayer,<b>\u00a0fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple<\/b>. [2] And the priests could not enter the house of the LORD, because\u00a0<b>the glory of the LORD filled the LORD\u2019s house<\/b>. [3] When all the children of Israel\u00a0<b style=\"color: red;\">saw<\/b>\u00a0the\u00a0<b>fire come down and the glory of the LORD<\/b>\u00a0upon the temple,\u00a0<b>they bowed down with their faces to the earth on the pavement, and worshiped and gave thanks to the LORD<\/b>, saying, \u201cFor he is good, for his steadfast love endures for ever.\u201d [4] Then the king and all the people\u00a0<b>offered sacrifice<\/b>\u00a0<b>before the LORD<\/b>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * * *<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For example, the\u00a0Pillars of Cloud and Fire and the Burning Bush Joshua passing the River Jordan with the Ark of the Covenant (1800), by Benjamin West (1738-1820) [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons] (6-24-11) * * * * * Sometimes we miss things in the Bible, though they are right in front of us. 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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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