{"id":41607,"date":"2019-12-02T14:43:39","date_gmt":"2019-12-02T18:43:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=41607"},"modified":"2019-12-03T12:57:22","modified_gmt":"2019-12-03T16:57:22","slug":"is-scripture-completely-self-authenticating-vs-wm-whitaker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/12\/is-scripture-completely-self-authenticating-vs-wm-whitaker.html","title":{"rendered":"Bible: Completely Self-Authenticating? (vs. Wm. Whitaker)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>. . . So that Anyone Could Come up with the Complete Canon without Formal Church Proclamations?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-41610\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2019\/12\/WhitakerDisputation.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"451\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_Whitaker_(theologian)\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">William Whitaker<\/a> (1548-1595) was a Calvinist Anglican apologist and Master of St. John\u2019s College, Cambridge. His masterwork was <em>Disputation on Holy Scripture: Against the Papists, Especially Bellarmine and Stapleton<\/em>, published in 1588. I have utilized <a href=\"http:\/\/archive.org\/details\/disputationonhol00whituoft\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">an online copy<\/a> published in 1849 by the University Press of Cambridge. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/11\/vs-james-white-9-whites-self-title-of-bishop-i-use-it.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Bishop<\/a> \u201cDr.\u201d [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/03\/james-whites-bogus-doctorate-degree.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">???<\/a>] James White, a zealous Reformed Baptist apologist and prominent defender of <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>, has sold the book on his website, and wrote about it in one such ad in 2007:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Since the Reformation, only a few godly servants of the truth have invested the time and effort necessary to produce for God\u2019s people a full-orbed defense of Scriptural sufficiency against those who would subject Scripture to external authorities. William Whitaker was one of those servants, and his work should be carefully studied by all concerned shepherds of Christ\u2019s flock.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Whitaker\u2019s words will be in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>. This is chapter three of my book,\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2012\/09\/books-by-dave-armstrong-pillars-of-sola.html\" target=\"_blank\"><i>Pillars of\u00a0<\/i>Sola Scriptura:\u00a0<i>Replies to Whitaker, Goode, &amp; Biblical \u201cProofs\u201d for \u201cBible Alone\u201d<\/i><\/a><i>\u00a0<\/i>(completed in July 2012): pages 45-57.<\/p>\n<p>*****<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But now let us come to the examination of the argument itself, to which I return a twofold answer. First, I affirm that the scripture can be understood, perceived, known and proved from scripture. Secondly, I say that if it cannot be perceived and proved in this way, still less can it be proved by the church. (p. 289)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>It can be \u201cproved by the church\u201d because we don\u2019t deny that Scripture can be known in and of itself; we only assert that men <em>en masse<\/em> <em>can<\/em> err, and <em>have indeed<\/em> erred before authoritative ecclesiastical proclamations on the canon were made. We believe much of what Protestants believe in this regard, about Holy Scripture: just not to the <em>extent <\/em>that they do (an extent that excludes the key role of the Church and tradition in the Rule of faith).<\/p>\n<p>Much of the debate about Scripture itself is a matter of degree, and comes down to the usual \u201ceither\/or\u201d vs. \u201cboth\/and\u201d dynamic. Whitaker wants to say, \u201ceither the Church or the Bible must be supreme.\u201d Catholics reject what we contend is a false dichotomy and say, \u201cwhy do we have to <em>choose<\/em>?<em> What logical necessity requires this? Both<\/em> are supreme, and entirely harmonious.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[I]t is compared to a lamp shining in a dark place, . . . It hath therefore light in itself, and such light as we may see in the darkness. But if the opinion of our opponents were correct, this light should be in the church, not in the scriptures. (p. 289)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is a prime example of a purely ridiculous, \u201cdichotomous\u201d assertion in Whitaker, that bears no resemblance, in any way, shape, matter, or form, to the Catholic belief it reputedly describes. Whitaker apparently can\u2019t comprehend that an authoritative Church can co-exist with, and be in harmony with, Holy Scripture, even though the latter plainly declares that the Church has sublime authority.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">There is the greatest perspicuity and light in the scriptures: therefore the scripture may be understood by the scripture, if one only have eyes to perceive this light. (p. 289)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>It can indeed, for the most part, but Whitaker stumbles upon the reason why the Church is still needed to guide interpretation: \u201cif one only have <em>eyes<\/em> to perceive this light.\u201d It\u2019s precisely because many do <em>not <\/em>\u201chave eyes\u201d that the Church\u2019s guidance is necessary. The Church brings the unity in belief and truth that God desires. It doesn\u2019t follow that Scripture is therefore utterly obscure.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The blind cannot perceive even the light of the sun; nor can they distinguish the splendour of the scriptures, whose minds are not divinely illuminated. But those who have eyes of faith can behold this light. Besides, if we recognise men when they speak, why should we not also hear and recognise God speaking in his word? For what need is there that another should teach that this is the voice of somebody, when I recognise it myself; or should inform me that my friend speaks, when I myself hear and understand him speaking? (p. 290)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes; men are perfectly capable (in faith, by God\u2019s grace) of perceiving that the Bible is God\u2019s Word without necessarily hearing this from the Church. I did it myself as a Protestant. But that is only the beginning. One can believe the Bible is inspired, but proceed to <em>interpret it wrongly<\/em>. Entire heretical denominations (Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses, <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormons<\/a>, Christian Science, United <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>Pentecostal<\/a> Church, so-called \u201capostolic\u201d churches,\u00a0et al) manage to miss, for example, the truth of the Holy Trinity, despite hundreds of indications taken together in the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>Most heresies and cults appeal to Scripture Alone. This has always been the case, because they know that they can\u2019t appeal to the unbroken apostolic tradition and Church history, that will contradict them at every turn. The Church, therefore, is practically necessary, both for the purpose of determining the canon (parameters) of Scripture and its meaning (interpretation within an orthodox framework of received apostolic tradition).<\/p>\n<p>Thus, the Arians appealed to the Bible Alone, while their most vigorous opponents: people like St. Athanasius, also appealed to Scripture to refute the error (as I habitually do in my own apologetics), but decisively to apostolic tradition and apostolic succession, which they felt \u201cclinched the case\u201d against the heretics.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But they object that we cannot recognise the voice of God, because we do not hear God speaking. This I deny. For those who have the Holy Spirit, are taught of God: these can recognise the voice of God as much as any one can recognise a friend, with whom he hath long and familiarly lived, by his voice. Nay, they can even hear God. For so Augustine (Ep. iii.), \u201cGod addresses us every day. He speaks to the heart of every one of us.\u201d If we do not understand, the reason is because we have not the Spirit, by which our hearts should be enlightened. (p. 290)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is largely or mostly true. Sin does indeed blind one to spiritual reality and truth. Not having the Holy Spirit (being unregenerate) is the cause of blindness. But the overall analysis is too simple and breaks down (as I have noted countless times in my writing) as soon as two clearly godly, zealous, faithful men disagree.<\/p>\n<p>The Protestant \u201cReformation\u201d was characterized from the beginning by schisms and divisions. I need not catalogue those here; I have many times. It is too simplistic and naive to conclude that every time there is a difference it is because \u201cthe other guy\u201d is unregenerate or wicked or blind or willfully obtuse to what is so plain. No; these are honestly-held differences by sincere men seeking to follow God.<\/p>\n<p>Now, the relevant, crucial question is: what does the Protestant do in light of the internal differences in their own ranks, on almost every doctrine except ones where they agree with Catholics? There is no solution in the end, within their presuppositions.<\/p>\n<p>At least Martin Luther was consistent. As soon as someone disagreed with him \u2014 no matter how eminent; for example, Erasmus \u2014 he concluded that they were rascals, evil, atheists, libertines. He felt this way about Zwingli because that fellow \u201creformer\u201d denied the Real Presence in the Eucharist. The Anabaptists were evil and out of the fold and worthy of death because they believed in adult baptism.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, as a result, Protestants have endless internal divisions, because (if they follow Luther and Whitaker in this respect) everyone is always a wicked knave who disagrees on some point of theology. It makes infinitely more sense to accept the fact that man is inherently limited and prone to error; therefore, God has provided a Church that He specially protects and guides, to proclaim true doctrine, and to condemn false doctrine and heresy. In this fashion, doctrinal unity is achieved. There <em>is<\/em> a way to <em>definitively <\/em>divide falsehood from truth.<\/p>\n<p>All of this is, I think, patently, glaringly obvious; yet every time <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> or Christian authority is discussed, the Catholic must run through this manifest logical and practical deficiency in the Protestant system. We have to reinvent the wheel. Protestants mightily struggle to come up with an adequate reply, because they have nowhere to go with it. Appealing to Scripture Alone as the final authority inevitably leads to this impasse, when men disagree with each other (each appealing to the same \u201cplain\u201d Scripture).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But now, if it be the word of God which we hear, it must needs have a divine authority of itself, and should be believed by itself and for itself. Otherwise we should ascribe more to the church than to God, if we did not believe him except for the sake of the church. (p. 290)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This doesn\u2019t follow. It\u2019s not \u201ceither\/or\u201d (and no doubt some Catholics have fallen into the same bad thinking and have denigrated Scripture <em>too<\/em> much or made it <em>too<\/em> mysterious); but Whitaker has now demonstrated that the <em>Church<\/em> teaches what he claims it does about the Bible. The Bible can be what it is (inspired revelation), while at the same time the Church can play a role in declaring the canon and interpretation beyond which no one can go.<\/p>\n<p>The two things are not mutually exclusive. Men need the guidance of the Church as well as the internal guidance of the Spirit. Catholics are not denying the latter; we\u2019re only denying that it <em>contradicts<\/em> or wipes out the former; while Protestants reject the former altogether, as part and parcel of the false tradition of <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">For the truth of the New Testament is shadowed forth in the figures of the old; and whatever things were predicted in the old, those we read to have been fulfilled in the new. Whatever was said obscurely in the former, is said plainly in the latter. (p. 292)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I hereby, then, challenge the first Protestant who is able and willing to answer (Whitaker being dead) to tell me what the following \u201cplain\u201d and \u201cperspicuous\u201d New Testament Scripture means?:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>1 Corinthians 15:29<\/strong>\u00a0(RSV) Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Or how about <em>this<\/em> \u201cplain\u201d passage:<strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Revelation 8:3-4<\/strong> And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; [4] and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What in the world is an angel doing with the \u201cprayers of all the saints\u201d? I thought (so we\u2019re told) prayer could only be to God, and no one else (not even in a mediatory, intercessory sense, if they are in heaven)? I wrote an entire book (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-catholic_31.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Catholic Verses<\/em><\/a>) about how Protestants have, historically, futilely attempted to rationalize away Bible passages that appear to be quite \u201cCatholic\u201d and inconsistent with their own views.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Peter confirms Paul\u2019s epistles by his authority, 2 Pet. iii. 16, and distinctly calls them scriptures. \u201cThe unlearned,\u201d says he, \u201cwrest them, as they do also the other scriptures.\u201d (p. 292)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes, Peter does do that. Isn\u2019t it strange, though, how Whitaker misses the <em>other<\/em> aspect of the passage, showing how the Bible can be misinterpreted (hence the need for the Church to put an end to heretical hermeneutics)? He rushes right past that, and moves on to other prooftexts, as if it is of no relevance to the discussion. The following verse is very instructive also: \u201cYou therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.\u201d Note that St. Peter is writing to <em>Christians<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>2 Peter 1:1-4<\/strong> Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: [2] May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. [3] His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, [4] by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature. [. . . , etc.]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This disproves Whitaker\u2019s point that it is only the \u201cblind\u201d and unregenerate, wicked folks who may misunderstand or not grasp at all the Scriptures because of those handicaps. St. Peter clearly teaches otherwise, since he warns the very Christians about whom he wrote so glowingly in the beginning of his letter, about being \u201ccarried away with the error of lawless men.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That was in the context of the previous verse about distorting the meaning of Scriptures. Therefore, it is possible for good Christians to fall into the same error; thus, it is not just \u201csin\u201d that blinds us to not see Scripture clearly. The good Christian, too, can fall into erroneous interpretation of the Scripture, and\/or heresy, if unduly influenced by those already in error. Hence, the need of an authoritative Church.<\/p>\n<p>And this is not, of course, the <em>only<\/em> passage about the necessity of \u201cofficial\u201d interpretation of a Scripture supposedly so clear that any right-intentioned person can immediately understand them, solely by the illumination of the Holy Spirit:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Nehemiah 8:8<\/strong> And they read from the book, from the law of God, clearly; and they gave the sense, so that the people understood the reading.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Malachi 2:7-8<\/strong> For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and men should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. [8] But you have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to stumble by your instruction; you have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the LORD of hosts,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 24:27, 32<\/strong> And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.. . . They said to each other, \u201cDid not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the scriptures?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 24:45<\/strong> Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 8:30-31<\/strong> So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, \u201cDo you understand what you are reading?\u201d [31] And he said, \u201cHow can I, unless some one guides me?\u201d. . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Moreover, at the Jerusalem Council, apostles and elders determined the law henceforth about circumcision for Christians. Peter acted very much like a pope there. After he spoke, no one stated differently. Paul went out and proclaimed the council\u2019s decision for observance of his hearers (Acts 16:4). This was authoritative interpretation of Scripture, making what was unclear (did male Gentile Christians need to be circumcised?), clear.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Paul confirms his own epistles by his name, and by his judgment. (p. 292)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>He never declares his own letters as <em>Scripture<\/em>. He knows, however, that he speaks with apostolic authority; akin to the sublime authority of a prophet. Hence, he does not prove <em>from his own words<\/em> that he is writing <em>Scripture<\/em> under the inspiration of God. This is merely Whitaker\u2019s gratuitous assumption. Even if he <em>did <\/em>do so, Whitaker has not provided his readers with the actual passage as proof; he simply asserts it (which is no argument).<\/p>\n<p>But St. Paul <em>does<\/em> describe what he passes along as \u201ctradition\u201d (1 Cor 11:2; 2 Thess 2:15; 3:6) and says that his oral teaching to his followers is as binding and authoritative as his epistles (Phil 4:9; 2 Tim 1:13-14; 2:2). This is not what one would expect at all, coming to the Bible with the prior tradition of men, <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>I would also contend that Paul\u2019s constant references to \u201cthe message\u201d or \u201cthe commandment\u201d or \u201cthe truth\u201d\u00a0or \u201ctradition,\u201d etc. presupposes a known doctrinal content. This is where the need for creeds come in: written by men, that summarize the content of the apostolic deposit. The Church confirms true doctrine; not Scripture alone.<\/p>\n<p>This is what we saw in the Jerusalem Council and at future councils like Nicaea \u2014 and it is not merely based on \u201cseeing what the Bible has to say\u201d \u2014 not by a long shot. It\u2019s not that the Church interprets <em>individually<\/em> every single passage, but that it provides <em>parameters of orthodoxy<\/em>, beyond which one may not go.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[I]f any pious persons have yet doubts concerning the scriptures, much more certain evidences may be gathered from the books themselves, to prove them canonical, than from any authority of the church. I speak not now of the internal testimony of the Spirit, but of certain external testimonies, which may be drawn from the books themselves to prove them divinely inspired writings. (p. 293)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>There are unarguably many such signs in Scripture itself; we only deny that such manifestations are <em>universal <\/em>or such that all men (of good will) can <em>agree on the canon<\/em>.\u00a0 This is hardly disputable because we have proof in history itself: the first four centuries, with men regarded as good churchmen on all sides, disagreeing on some of the books of the Bible (with some holding that non-biblical books were part of the canon). I submit, therefore, that this particular point is beyond all contention.<\/p>\n<p>Whitaker himself (on the same page) mentioned that \u201cwe nowhere read that the books of Esther, Nehemiah, and Ezra, were confirmed by the authority of the new Testament.\u201d Therefore, they are accepted simply because the tradition of the Jews included them? I guess so. They\u2019re mostly historical accounts. Esther doesn\u2019t even mention God.<\/p>\n<p>One would look in vain in that book for<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> \u201cthe majesty of the <em>doctrine itself<\/em>, which <em>everywhere<\/em> shines forth in the sacred and canonical books\u201d<\/span> (p. 293; my italics). Only one book in the New Testament claims explicitly that it is inspired (Revelation; see 1:1-3; 22:10, 18-19). That\u2019s it. All the rest is human deduction and discernment.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">In order, therefore, that we should be internally in our consciences persuaded of the authority of scripture, it is needful that the testimony of the Holy Ghost should be added. And he, as he seals all the doctrines of faith and the whole teaching of salvation in our hearts, and confirms them in our consciences, so also does he give us a certain persuasion that these books, from which are drawn all the doctrines of faith and salvation, are sacred and canonical. But, you will say, this testimony is not taken from the books themselves: it is, therefore, external, and not inherent in the word. I answer: Although the testimony of the Holy Ghost be not, indeed, the same as the books themselves; yet it is not external, nor separate, or alien from the books, because it is perceived in the doctrine delivered in those books . . . (p. 295)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>How utterly strange and odd, then (if this be true), that holy and learned men close to the time of Jesus and the apostles, such as St. Justin Martyr, St. Clement of Alexandria, Origen, St. Irenaeus, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. John Chrysostom, St. Gregory Nazianzen, and Tertullian <em>didn\u2019t <\/em>get it, like Whitaker and his fellow Protestant revolutionaries \u201cgot it\u201d in the 16th century. Even St. Augustine: virtually the patron saint of Protestants (so much do they cite him) accepted the deutoerocanonical (or so-called \u201capocryphal\u201d) books that Protestants reject. Even St. Athanasius (the first to correctly list all 27 New Testament books, in 367), accepted the canonicity of the deuterocanonical book Baruch.<\/p>\n<p>Everywhere one turns in the first four centuries of the Church, the historical testimony is against these foolish notions that Whitaker tries to put across, in sheer subjectivism. Even after that time, the deuterocanon was almost universally accepted. St. Jerome is the main Church father cited against it, and even he submitted his judgment to that of the Church. Replying to the Catholic objection that division exists in Protestant ranks, Whitaker now nuances his argument about the Holy Spirit to \u201cdegrees\u201d:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Nor does it immediately follow, that all who are in error are without the Holy Spirit, because all errors are not capital. Now the reason why all who have the Holy Spirit do not think exactly alike of all things, is because there is not precisely the <em>same<\/em> <em>equal measure<\/em> of the Holy Spirit in all; otherwise there would be the fullest agreement in all points. (p. 296; my italics)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This reduces to the same simplistic, unrealistic mentality: disagreement exists? \u201cWell, that is obviously because person <em>B<\/em> who believes doctrine <em>Y<\/em> (contradictory of doctrine <em>X<\/em>) has a lesser measure of the Holy Spirit than person <em>A<\/em> who believes doctrine <em>X<\/em> [that <em>I<\/em> happen to agree with].\u201d Thus, every doctrinal disagreement is chalked up to a person\u2019s spiritual state, with those who disagree with <em>us<\/em> being disparaged as less spiritual. One can see how that state of affairs will quickly become both chaotic and pharisaical (as indeed Protestant history (at least in its more unsavory schismatic and divisive tendency) has affirmed).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But what? Is it only by the testimony of the church, that we know all other points of religion and doctrines of the faith? Is it not the office of the Holy Spirit to teach us all things necessary to salvation? (p. 297)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is how we know it on our human, fallible level, because God grants the Church the charism of infallibility. The Bible never says that individuals are the <em>final<\/em> judges of truth; the standards or arbiters of truth, but it refers to \u201cthe church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth\u201d (1 Tim 3:15). Falsehood cannot be the support or pillar of truth; therefore it follows that the Church is infallible. And the Bible gives an account of the Jerusalem Council determining a point of doctrine and practice, regarding circumcision (Acts 15).<\/p>\n<p>The Bible puts the Holy Spirit and the Church <em>together<\/em>, working for the spread of His truth, in this same council: \u201cFor it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:\u201d (Acts 15:28). The Church <strong><em>and<\/em><\/strong> the Holy Spirit lead one into truth. Not the Holy Spirit only; not the Church only; not the Bible only; but Church and Holy Spirit, in harmony with Holy Scripture and apostolic tradition (preceded by the legitimate Jewish tradition acknowledged by Jesus in Matthew 5:17 and 23:2-3 and developed by Christianity).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I answer: Therefore men cannot give us this persuasion, but there is need of some higher, greater, more certain testimony than that of man. Now the church is an assembly of men, and is composed of men. (p. 297)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Clever, but of course Whitaker neglects to see that the Church is a rather <em>special<\/em> assemblage: one that is expressly guided by God. Yes, it is composed of mere \u201cmen\u201d (and women), but this was also true of the writers of Scripture. They were men, too. Protestants (and Catholics concur) believe that God could take sinful men and write an inspired, infallible Scripture through them. Catholics also believe a thing that is a less huge claim: that God can also protect from doctrinal error, His Church, and make it infallible, even though it is composed of sinful men.<\/p>\n<p>If he can do one thing, He can do the other lesser thing (and Scripture reveals that He in fact did both). If one can believe the more extraordinary notion (inspiration and infallibility of the Bible), one can also accept the relatively less extraordinary notion (infallibility of the Church). It all comes about because of God, by His grace and power and omnipotence and providence.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Do you yourself deem him a Christian who denies the whole scripture? Certainly, he replies; for he affirms that some Christians deny the scriptures, such as the Schwenkfeldians, Anabaptists, . . . I answer, our question is about real Christians. These are not Christians truly but equivocally, as the papists are equivocal catholics. (p. 298)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is fascinating and most illuminating. The Anabaptists are not \u201creal\u201d or \u201ctruly\u201d Christians? Their belief was typified by belief in adult baptism. They were the closest to the Baptists of their time. I\u2019m sure that the apologist James White and other virulently anti-Catholic Baptists today who like to trace themselves back to the Anabaptists would be thrilled to know that Whitaker doesn\u2019t even think that Anabaptists are Christians. I guess that\u2019s why Whitaker\u2019s masters Luther and Calvin had the Anabaptists drowned for their beliefs.<\/p>\n<p>It is quite the delicious irony that Whitaker \u2014 whose book James White heartily recommends (see the Introduction) \u2013 would read White out of Christianity: thrown out onto the unregenerate dung heap along with us lowly \u201cpapists\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Likewise, Schwenkfeldians are certainly Christians, whatever one may think of them. But Whitaker is ready to kick them out of the fold at the drop of a hat. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, far more tolerant than this,\u00a0would acknowledge them (and Whitaker and his Anglican cohorts) as brothers in Christ, on the basis of trinitarian baptism.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Unfortunately, Money Trees Do Not Exist<\/strong>:\u00a0<\/span>If you have been aided in any way by my work, or think it is valuable and worthwhile, please strongly consider financially supporting it (even $10 \/ month \u2014 a mere 33 cents a day \u2014 would be very helpful). I have been a full-time Catholic apologist since Dec. 2001, and have been writing Christian apologetics since 1981 (see\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/my-literary-resume.html\" target=\"_blank\">my Resume<\/a>).\u00a0My work has been proven (by God\u2019s grace alone) to be fruitful, in terms of changing lives (see the tangible evidences\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/fruit-156-reasons-why-catholic-apologetics-is-a-good-thing.html\" target=\"_blank\">from unsolicited \u201ctestimonies\u201d<\/a>).\u00a0I have to pay my bills like all of you: and have a (homeschooling) wife and three children still at home to provide for, and a mortgage to pay.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>My book royalties from<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/collections\/apologetics-bestsellers-numerous-topics\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u00a0three bestsellers in the field<\/a>\u00a0(published in 2003-2007) have been decreasing, as has my overall income, making it increasingly difficult to make ends meet.\u00a0 I provide over 2600 free articles here, for the purpose of your edification and education, and have\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" target=\"_blank\">written 50 books<\/a>.\u00a0It\u2019ll literally be a struggle to survive financially until Dec. 2020, when both my wife and I will be receiving Social Security. If you cannot contribute, I ask for your prayers (and \u201clikes\u201d and links and shares). Thanks!<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>See my\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\">information on how to donate<\/a>\u00a0(including 100% tax-deductible donations). It\u2019s very simple to contribute to my apostolate via PayPal, if a tax deduction is not needed (my \u201cbusiness name\u201d there is called \u201cCatholic Used Book Service,\u201d from my old bookselling days 17 or so years ago, but send to my email: apologistdave@gmail.com). Another easy way to send and receive money (with a bank account or a mobile phone) is through\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.zellepay.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Zelle<\/a>. Again, just send to my e-mail address.\u00a0May God abundantly bless you.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>***<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong><\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">scan of 1849 (Cambridge) cover of William Whitaker\u2019s book, <em>Disputation on Holy Scripture<\/em>, at<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/adisputationonho00whituoft\/page\/n8\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Internet Archive<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>. . . So that Anyone Could Come up with the Complete Canon without Formal Church Proclamations? William Whitaker (1548-1595) was a Calvinist Anglican apologist and Master of St. John\u2019s College, Cambridge. His masterwork was Disputation on Holy Scripture: Against the Papists, Especially Bellarmine and Stapleton, published in 1588. 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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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