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Someone in a private forum asked this, and noted that our society\u2019s ideals in this respect rarely are applied to women over 45 years of age. I\u2019d say it is the opposite of how I have long defined radical secular feminism: \u201cthe detestation of men with an odd simultaneous desire to be as much like them in as many respects as possible.\u201d<\/p>\n

It\u2019s being comfortable in one\u2019s own female \u201cskin\u201d and understanding the sublime greatness of being female, according to God\u2019s ideal (not that of men or society).<\/p>\n

Speaking as just one man (but I\u2019m sure I\u2019m not alone), I think women are gorgeous at age 45 and very often more attractive at that age than they would have been at age 25 (attractiveness being a quality of both inner and outer beauty, but not just<\/em>\u00a0appearance). The more they grasp the Catholic conception of true womanhood and femininity, the more this is the case.<\/p>\n

In the Catholic \/ biblical worldview, righteousness is key (indeed central) to beauty and femininity; not mere physical appearance alone, as our lovely secular world teaches us every day.<\/p>\n

How\u2019d I do, ladies?<\/p>\n

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Allison Manning<\/strong>:\u00a0Perfect response! I don\u2019t understand why more people don\u2019t see it this way. I think it\u2019s because to many women under the age of 25 \u201cfeminine\u201d is synonymous with \u201cgirly\u201d and (at least as far as the current bracket of 18-25 year olds is concerned) girly is an insulting term meant to draw images of pink Barbies and \u201950s housewife culture.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Molly McCann Yabs<\/strong>:\u00a0Well, you certainly swept me off my feet!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Patti Champion<\/strong><\/a>:\u00a0You did awesome!!\u00a0A+++ Perfect! Thank you!!\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Denise Curran<\/strong>:\u00a0I love this,\u00a0Dave. Thank you for sharing your perspective.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Christine Folster-Mason<\/strong>:\u00a0Haha! I love your first (opposite) point. It is so so true. When I consider beauty, I can\u2019t separate inner and outer. It\u2019s a complete package on one level. On the other, we all have beauty because God created us. I feel ashamed when I fail to see it or look for it. I love being a woman. I love that men and women are different. I am not threatened by men nor do I feel dominated by them and I am particularly fond of gentlemanly acts of kindness. We Catholics have the best gig on the male and female. (Does that make me a Catholic snob?). Oh dear\u2026<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Related Reading:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

High Praise for my Wife Judy (20th Anniversary)<\/a>\u00a0(. . . and a bit of unsolicited advice to young couples, if I may . . .)\u00a0<\/a>[10-6-04]<\/div>\n
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Radical Feminism: Replies to \u201cCritiques\u201d from Enlightened Ones<\/a>\u00a0[8-8-06]<\/div>\n
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Dialogue with Atheists: Christian Marriage & Sexuality<\/a>\u00a0[12-8-06]<\/div>\n
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Is Male-Only Priesthood Sexist?<\/a>\u00a0[2007; slight revision: 4-5-16]<\/div>\n
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Dialogue with Atheists: Sexist, Misogynist Bible?<\/a>\u00a0[9-20-10]<\/div>\n
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Unisexism vs. New Feminism (+ Links)<\/a>\u00a0[11-14-11]<\/div>\n
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A \u201cBeautiful Woman\u201d According to God\u2019s Word, the Bible<\/a> (9-11-15)<\/p>\n

Woman-Hating Catholic Church?: Reply to an Atheist<\/a>\u00a0[10-1-15]<\/p>\n

Dialogue: Are Jesus, the Bible, & the Church \u201cSexist\u201d?<\/a>\u00a0[11-4-19]<\/p>\n

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Related G. K. Chesterton Quotations:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

The reason why men have from the beginning of literature talked about women as if they were more or less mad, is simply because women are natural, and men, with their formalities and social theories, are very artificial. (The Spice of Life and Other Essays <\/em>[London: Darwen Finlayson, 1964], \u201cThe Philosophy of Islands\u201d: 1903)<\/p>\n

[P]eople talk with a quite astonishing gravity about the inequality or equality of the sexes; as if there could possibly be any inequality between a lock and a key.\u00a0(Charles Dickens <\/em>[London: Methuen & Co., 1906], ch. 10)<\/p>\n

A woman is only inferior to man in the matter of being not so manly; she is inferior in nothing else.\u00a0(Ibid<\/em>., ch. 10)<\/p>\n

For the two things that a healthy person hates most between heaven and hell are a woman who is not dignified and a man who is. (All Things Considered <\/em>[London: Methuen & Co., 1908], ch. 2)<\/p>\n

Just as an eastern newspaper is a victory of Western methods, so the Feminist movement is a surrender to the masculine intelligence. (The Illustrated London News<\/em>, \u201cAmerican Slaves and Female Emancipation,\u201d 1 August 1908)<\/p>\n

Suddenly, without warning, the women have begun to say all the nonsense that we ourselves hardly believed when we said it. (What\u2019s Wrong With the World <\/em>[London: Cassell, 1910], III-7)<\/p>\n

And it is the convention of journalism at this moment to support what is feminist against what is feminine. (Fancies Versus Fads<\/em>\u00a0[London: Methuen, 1923], ch. 27)<\/p>\n

There is the obvious contradiction that feminism often means the refusal to be feminine. (ILN, \u201cThe Narrowness of the New Art,\u201d 18 August 1928)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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See my\u00a0information on how to donate<\/a>\u00a0(including 100% tax-deductible donations). It\u2019s very simple to contribute to my apostolate via PayPal, if a tax deduction is not needed (my \u201cbusiness name\u201d there is called \u201cCatholic Used Book Service,\u201d from my old bookselling days 17 or so years ago, but send to my email: apologistdave@gmail.com). Another easy way to send and receive money (with a bank account or a mobile phone) is through\u00a0Zelle<\/a>. Again, just send to my e-mail address.\u00a0May God abundantly bless you.<\/div>\n
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(originally 5-21-18 on Facebook; Chesterton quotations and related links added on 12-4-19)<\/div>\n
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Photo credit:<\/span><\/strong> St. Edith Stein (1891-1942); c. 1920<\/span> [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n

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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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