{"id":42051,"date":"2019-12-16T13:07:14","date_gmt":"2019-12-16T17:07:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=42051"},"modified":"2019-12-16T16:10:09","modified_gmt":"2019-12-16T20:10:09","slug":"debate-pope-francis-on-doctrine-truth-evangelizing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/12\/debate-pope-francis-on-doctrine-truth-evangelizing.html","title":{"rendered":"Debate: Pope Francis on Doctrine, Truth, &#038; Evangelizing"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>vs. Dr.\u00a0Eduardo Echeverria<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-42066\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2019\/12\/EcheverriaEduardo.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"544\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thecatholicthing.org\/author\/eecheverria\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Eduardo J. Echeverria<\/a> is Professor of Philosophy and Systematic Theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, Detroit. He earned his doctorate in philosophy from the Free University of Amsterdam and his Licentiate in Sacred Theology (S.T.L.) from the University of St. Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum) in Rome. His publications include <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Berkouwer-Catholicism-Disputed-Questions-Reformed\/dp\/9004245588\/ref=sr_1_1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Berkouwer and Catholicism: Disputed Questions<\/em><\/a> (2013), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pope-Francis-Legacy-Vatican-II\/dp\/1943901112\/ref=sr_1_1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Pope Francis: The Legacy of Vatican II<\/em><\/a>, Revised and Expanded Section Edition (2015, 2019),<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Divine-Election-Orientation-Ecumenical-Perspective\/dp\/1625649924\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em> Divine Election: A Catholic Orientation in Dogmatic and Ecumenical Perspective<\/em><\/a> (2016), and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Revelation-History-Truth-Hermeneutics-Ecumenical\/dp\/1433132850\/ref=sr_1_2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Revelation, History, and Truth: A Hermeneutics of Dogma<\/em><\/a> (2018).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/05\/dr-echeverria-francis-wants-development-not-revolution.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">I enthusiastically recommended<\/a> the first edition of his book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pope-Francis-Legacy-Vatican-II\/dp\/1943901112\/ref=sr_1_1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Pope Francis: The Legacy of Vatican II<\/em><\/a>, but it seems that since that time, he has become quite critical of Pope Francis: largely (?) because of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=amoris+laetitia\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">controversies surrounding <em>Amoris Laetitia<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">I am responding to his article, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/41285910\/Pope_Francis_on_Faiths_Knowledge_of_God_Doctrine_Truth_Ideology_and_the_Law_of_Evangelization\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cPope Francis on Faith\u2019s Knowledge of God, Doctrine, Truth, Ideology, and the Law of Evangelization\u201d<\/a> (December 2019). His words will be in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>. The words of Pope Francis will be in <span style=\"color: #008000;\">green<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<div class=\"ff4\"><span class=\"a\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The Nature of Faith<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div class=\"ff3\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span class=\"a\">What is the nature of faith, according to\u00a0Pope Francis? The Apostle Paul calls us to believe with\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\">one\u2019s heart and to confess what one believes (Rom 10: 9). This is a\u00a0twofold Christian\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"g\"><span class=\"a\">imperative\u00a0\u2014\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span class=\"a\">the creedal and confessional imperative<\/span><span class=\"a\">\u00a0\u2014\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\">that is at the root of creeds and\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"g\"><span class=\"a\">confessions of faith. Faith involves both the\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span class=\"g\"><span class=\"a\"><em>fides qua creditur<\/em>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span class=\"a\">(\u201cthe <em>faith\u00a0<\/em><\/span><span class=\"a\"><em>with which<\/em>\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\">one\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"g\"><span class=\"a\">believes\u201d) and the\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span class=\"g\"><span class=\"a\"><em>fides quae creditur<\/em>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span class=\"g\"><span class=\"a\">\u201cthe\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span class=\"g\"><span class=\"a\"><em>faith which<\/em>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span class=\"a\">one believes\u201d).<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"ff3\"><span class=\"a\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If I understand Francis\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">correctly, his <strong><em>emphasis<\/em><\/strong> is on the former; faith as it is experienced, encountered, and lived.<\/span> [my bolded emphasis of one word]<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria correctly notes, in my opinion, in his first paragraph, that this is the Holy Father\u2019s \u201cemphasis.\u201d Unfortunately, as he continues in his article, he winds up asserting that in emphasizing <em>one<\/em> thing, Pope Francis allegedly <em>denies<\/em> the <strong><em>other<\/em><\/strong>; that is, he (so it is claimed) strongly urges \u201cheart-belief,\u201d while denying the importance \u2014 indeed the necessity also \u2014 of \u201chead-belief.\u201d I shall argue that this conclusion is unwarranted and insufficiently proven from the statements of Pope Francis that\u00a0Dr.\u00a0Echeverria produces. It\u2019s a false dichotomy.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #000000;\">My view is quite the opposite:\u00a0I think what the pope is teaching in this regard is wonderful and perfectly consistent with the Bible (particularly, St. Paul\u2019s methodology), the historic Catholic faith, and Vatican II. This was also the view of\u00a0Dr.\u00a0Echeverria in the first edition of his book on Pope Francis, where he wrote:<\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Pope Francis has been created in the image of many one-sided receptions of his thought by both liberal and traditional Catholics. Both sides of this reception share the view that Pope Francis\u2019s novelty is best represented by words like break, rupture, and indeed, revolution. Of course they differ in their assessment of his novelty; the former embrace it, and the latter reject it. . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[T]he narrative that has taken hold in the mind of many people is, indeed, false . . . it is clear from Francis\u2019s own theological writings that his theological thinking is fully coherent with the teachings of Vatican II and that of his two immediate predecessors.\u00a0<\/span>(pp. xiii, xvi)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">In Francis\u2019 concluding homily of the Synod of Bishops dedicated to young people, he states,<\/span> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cThe faith that saved Bartimaeus did not have to do with his having clear ideas about God, but in his seeking him and longing to encounter him. Faith has to do with encounter, not theory. In encounter, Jesus passes by; in encounter, the heart of the Church beats. Then, not our preaching, but our witness of life will prove effective.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">This contrast between \u201cencounter\u201d and \u201ctheory, \u201d between \u201cpreaching\u201d and \u201cwitness\u201d is puzzling.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Why is this<\/span> \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">puzzling<\/span>\u201c<span style=\"color: #000000;\">? Again,\u00a0Dr.\u00a0Echeverria has unnecessarily created a false dichotomy, when in fact, the pope himself has <em>not<\/em> done so. He misses the forest for the trees and has \u2014 one can only say \u2014 misrepresented the pope\u2019s clear intentions. Did the pope <em>deny<\/em> that doctrine is also important and necessary? No!, for he <em>also<\/em> said in\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/homilies\/2018\/documents\/papa-francesco_20181028_omelia-chiusura-sinodo.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the same homily<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Faith passes through life. When faith is concerned <strong>purely with doctrinal formulae<\/strong>, it risks speaking only to the head without touching the heart. And when it is concerned with <strong>activity alone<\/strong>, it risks turning into mere moralizing and social work. Faith, instead, is\u00a0<i>life<\/i>: it is living in the love of God who has changed our lives. <strong>We cannot choose between\u00a0<i>doctrine\u00a0<\/i>and\u00a0<i>activism<\/i><\/strong>. We are called to carry out God\u2019s work in God\u2019s own way: in\u00a0<i>closeness<\/i>, by cleaving to him, in communion with one another, alongside our brothers and sisters. Closeness: that is the secret to communicating the heart of the faith, and not a secondary aspect. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[italics in original, bolding my own]<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Is it not quite obvious: the point that the pope is making? He\u2019s not denying in any way, shape, or form,<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cdoctrinal formulae\u201d<\/span> or <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cdoctrine.\u201d<\/span> Rather, he is denying that the doctrine should be <em>isolated<\/em> from a living, active faith, and conversely, that this sort of faith could or should be <em>separated<\/em> from doctrine. The point is: keep them always <em>together<\/em>\u00a0(orthodoxy and orthopraxy). It\u2019s essentially the famous argument that St. James makes in his epistle (that Luther struggled so much to understand, because it was contrary to his <em>faith alone<\/em> doctrinal novelty):\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>James 2:14, 17-18, 20-26<\/strong> (RSV) What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? . . . [17]\u00a0So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.\u00a0[18]\u00a0But some one will say, \u201cYou have faith and I have works.\u201d Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . . [20]\u00a0\u00a0Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? [21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?\u00a0[22] You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,\u00a0[23] and the scripture was fulfilled which says, \u201cAbraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness\u201d; and he was called the friend of God.\u00a0[24] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.\u00a0[25] And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?\u00a0[26] For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">When Pope Francis was commenting upon Bartimaeus, he was merely noting that his particular faith in that specific moment of time, was not doctrinal in nature. Nor did it <em>have<\/em> to be. It says nowhere in the Bible that doctrine and heartfelt faith must always be present at <em>absolutely every <strong>instant<\/strong> of time<\/em>: only that both are necessary in the overall picture (i.e., one or the other may manifest itself in particular instances). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So Bartimaeus cried out: \u201cJesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!\u201d (Mk 10:47). It wasn\u2019t a \u201cdoctrinal\u201d utterance. He didn\u2019t cite John 3:16 (which I was actually asked to do in an early altar call at age 11 or so in a Baptist church that we visited). He simply cried for mercy. This was heart-faith. He could learn the doctrine in due course. That\u2019s why we have catechisms and RCIA classes. It\u2019s why, in the early Church (for many centuries), the deepest truths of the faith were kept from new catechumens until they reached a more advanced level and were about to be baptized. But at <em>first<\/em>, the cry for help is sufficient. And so the pope beautifully comments on this incident:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Jesus takes his time; he takes time to listen. This is the first step in helping the journey of faith:\u00a0<i>listening<\/i>. It is the apostolate of the ear: listening before speaking. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">He gets personally involved with preferential love for every person. By his actions, he already communicates his message. Faith thus flowers in life. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Let us realize that the Lord has dirtied his hands for each one of us. Let us look at the cross, start from there and remember that God became my neighbour in sin and death. He became my neighbour: it all starts from there. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">The journey of faith in today\u2019s Gospel ends in a beautiful and surprising way when Jesus says \u201cGo; your faith has made you well\u201d (v. 52). Yet Bartimaeus had made no profession of faith or done any good work; he had only begged for mercy. To feel oneself in need of salvation is the beginning of faith. It is the direct path to encountering Jesus.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Does Pope Francis have a pastoral emphasis? Yes, he does, and I think it\u2019s fabulous and something very much needed in our time. But does he depart from historic orthodoxy or even the prior understanding of evangelism and apologetics. Nope (as<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/11\/is-pope-francis-against-apologetics-defending-the-faith.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> I have recently documented at length<\/a>) . . .<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The latter contrast and the attendant claim made by Pope Francis that \u201cwitness\u201d not \u201cpreaching\u201d will prove effective is rejected with good reason by Pope Paul VI in his 1975 Apostolic Exhortation, <em>Evangelii Nuntiandi<\/em> \u00a722, \u201cAll Christians are called to this witness, and in this way they can be real evangelizers. \u201d Nevertheless, contra Francis\u2019 position, Paul VI adds, \u201cthis [witness] <em>always remains insufficient<\/em>, because even the finest witness will prove <em>ineffective<\/em> in the long run if it is not explained, justified \u2013 what Peter called always having \u2018your answer ready for people who ask you the reason for the hope that you all have\u2019 [1 Peter 3:15] \u2013 and made explicit by a clear and unequivocal proclamation of the Lord Jesus. The Good News proclaimed by the witness of life sooner or later has to be proclaimed by the word of life. There is no true evangelization if the name, the teaching, the life, the promises, the kingdom and the mystery of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God are not proclaimed.\u201d (emphasis added)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The problem here is that \u2014 having already drawn a false conclusion from what the pope stated in that homily, Dr.<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Echeverria goes on to assert that it contradicts previous teaching. It does no such thing. He did not set witness against preaching at all. He stated exactly what Pope St. Paul VI wrote above. Again, here it is, plain as day:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">When faith is concerned <strong>purely with doctrinal formulae<\/strong>, it risks speaking only to the head without touching the heart. And when it is concerned with <strong>activity alone<\/strong>, it risks turning into mere moralizing and social work. . . .\u00a0<strong>We cannot choose between\u00a0<i>doctrine\u00a0<\/i>and\u00a0<i>activism<\/i><\/strong>.\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">[italics in original, bolding my own]<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">What <em>is<\/em> truly<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cpuzzling\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">is how a man of\u00a0Dr.<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Echeverria\u2019s great abilities and accomplishments can miss the context (one of the cardinal sins of research). We shall see if his further suggested examples in his article, of the pope\u2019s supposed departure from tradition and precedent, succeed any better than <em>this<\/em> one did, for the purpose of proving his thesis.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Missing from the evangelical encounter in Pope Francis\u2019 thought is Paul VI teaching described above as what I will call \u201cintegral evangelization.\u201d The latter includes explanation and justification of Christian beliefs, with the aim of persuasion, by the power of reason and arguments. It also involves claiming that one asserts, affirms, and holds certain beliefs to be true. Why is this aspect of integral evangelization missing from Francis\u2019 understanding of witness\/evangelization?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Since this is a blanket claim, and not a specific one about a particular passage in one of the pope\u2019s homilies, other speeches, or writings, I shall <em>answer<\/em> generally. I strongly\u00a0<em>deny<\/em> that this is the case. And I do so because of <em>these<\/em> sorts of statements from Pope Francis:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Proclaiming the Gospel message to different cultures also involves proclaiming it to <strong>professional, scientific and academic circles<\/strong>. This means\u00a0an <strong>encounter between faith, reason and the sciences<\/strong> with a view to developing new approaches and <strong>arguments<\/strong> on the issue of credibility,\u00a0a creative\u00a0<strong>apologetics<\/strong>\u00a0which would encourage greater openness to the Gospel on the part of all. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">A theology \u2013 and <strong>not simply a <em>pastoral<\/em> theology<\/strong> \u2013 which is\u00a0in dialogue with other sciences and human experiences\u00a0is most important for our discernment on how best to bring the\u00a0Gospel message\u00a0to different cultural contexts and groups.\u00a0The Church, in her commitment to evangelization, appreciates and encourages the charism of theologians and their scholarly efforts to <strong>advance dialogue with the world of cultures and sciences<\/strong>. I call on theologians to carry out this service as part of the Church\u2019s saving mission. In doing so, however, they must always remember that\u00a0<strong>the Church and theology exist to\u00a0evangelize<\/strong>, and not be content with a desk-bound theology.\u00a0<\/span>(Apostolic Exhortation\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/w2.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/apost_exhortations\/documents\/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>Evangelii Gaudium<\/i><\/a>, 11-24-13; sections 132-133; my bolding and italics)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Start from your own identity in order to dialogue, but a dialogue is not\u00a0doing\u00a0<strong>apologetics<\/strong>, although\u00a0<strong>sometimes you must do so, when we are asked questions that require an explanation<\/strong>.<\/span>\u00a0(<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/speeches\/2014\/july\/documents\/papa-francesco_20140726_clero-caserta.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Meeting with the Clergy<\/a>: Palatine Chapel in the Royal Palace of Caserta, 7-26-14; my bolding)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Do I pray for my brother, for my sister who is in difficulty because they\u00a0<strong>confess<\/strong> and\u00a0<strong>defend their faith<\/strong>?<\/span> (<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/holy_father\/francesco\/audiences\/2013\/documents\/papa-francesco_20130925_udienza-generale_en.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">General Audience, 1-25-13<\/a>; my bolding)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[T]he Apostle \u201c<strong>defended<\/strong>\u00a0the <strong>doctrine<\/strong>, he was a great\u00a0<strong>defender of the doctrine<\/strong>, and the annoyance came from these people who did not tolerate the <strong>doctrine<\/strong>\u201d. Which <strong>doctrine<\/strong>? \u201cThe gratuitousness of salvation\u201d. . . .\u00a0This, Pope explained, was \u201cthe struggle that both\u00a0Jesus and Paul\u00a0faced in order to<strong>\u00a0defend the doctrine<\/strong>\u201d.<\/span> (<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/w2.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/cotidie\/2015\/documents\/papa-francesco-cotidie_20151015_those-who-take-away-the-keys.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Morning Meditation<\/a>, 10-15-15; my bolding)<\/p>\n<p>[See also:<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/jimmy-akin\/did-pope-francis-just-say-that-evangelization-is-nonsense-8-things-to-know\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Did Pope Francis just say that evangelization is \u201cnonsense\u201d? 8 things to know and share\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0(Jimmy Akin,\u00a0<i>National Catholic Register<\/i>, 10-1-13)<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/jimmy-akin\/did-pope-francis-just-diss-apologists-9-things-to-know-and-share\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Did Pope Francis just diss apologists? 9 things to know and share<\/a>\u00a0(Jimmy Akin,\u00a0<i>National Catholic Register<\/i>, 3-9-14) ]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Witness\/Evangelization versus Proselytizing <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The brief answer to this question is that Pope Francis thinks, inexplicably, that explanation and justification of Christian beliefs, with the aim of persuasion, by the power of reason and arguments is proselytizing. As a rule, Francis distinguishes witness\/evangelization from proselytizing. Unfortunately, he never defines what he means by proselytizing. Yes, he insists that it is bad. However, he does not tell us why. Nor does he distinguish between unethical and ethical means of proselytizing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is simply untrue. I provide several examples of the pope clarifying what he means, again and again, in the second half of my paper,\u00a0<\/span><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/11\/is-pope-francis-against-apologetics-defending-the-faith.html\" target=\"_blank\">Is Pope Francis Against Apologetics &amp; Defending the Faith?<\/a>\u00a0See also, \u201c<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.catholic.com\/magazine\/online-edition\/pope-francis-on-proselytism\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pope Francis on \u2018Proselytism\u2019\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(Jimmy Akin,\u00a0<em>Catholic Answers<\/em>, 10-21-13).\u00a0Dr.<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Echeverria commits a very basic error in argument and rhetoric: the assertion of sweeping negative (\u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">he <strong><em>never<\/em><\/strong> defines what he means by proselytizing\u201d<span style=\"color: #000000;\">). All one has to do is provide a <em>single example<\/em> of the pope doing so, in order to refute such an ambitious claim. I\u2019ve done so (and much more). So has Jimmy Akin. And we have both provided sufficient answer to the other charges above. I\u2019m not going to post all that here. Readers may simply consult the linked articles. I love links . . . it saves one <em>so<\/em> much trouble.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">As a rule, Francis seems to think that it is unethical, indeed, unchristian to try to convince or persuade others in the initial evangelical encounter of the rationality and truth of the Christian faith. He wrongly conflates that aspect of integral evangelization involving rational persuasion with force or pressure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is also untrue. While he exhibits a consistent strong emphasis on the pastoral, <strong><em>initially<\/em><\/strong> non-doctrinal evangelistic encounter, he does not deny the necessity of eventually moving onto doctrine as dialogue progresses. First things first. We do one thing first in the order of time, and then the other. So, for example, Pope Francis teaches:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">The example given by the Pope was from the Apostle Paul in the Areopagus (Acts 17:15-22, 18-1)\u00a0proclaiming the name of Jesus Christ\u00a0among the worshipers of idols. <em>It is the <strong>way<\/strong> in which he did this<\/em>, said the Pope, that is so <em>important<\/em>: \u201cHe did not say: Idolaters! You will go to hell\u2026 \u201d. No, <em>he \u201ctried to reach their hearts\u201d; he did not\u00a0<strong>condemn<\/strong> from the <strong>outset<\/strong>\u00a0but\u00a0sought <strong>dialogue<\/strong><\/em>. \u201cPaul is a Pope, a builder of bridges. He did not want to become a builder of walls\u201d.\u00a0Building bridges to proclaim the Gospel, \u201cthis was the Paul\u2019s outlook in Athens:\u00a0<em>build a <strong>bridge<\/strong> to their <strong>hearts<\/strong>, and then take a step further and <strong>proclaim Jesus Christ<\/strong><\/em>\u201d. Paul followed the attitude of Jesus, who spoke to everyone, \u201che heard the Samaritan woman\u2026 ate with the Pharisees, with sinners, with publicans, with doctors of the law.\u00a0<em>Jesus <strong>listened<\/strong> to everyone\u00a0and\u00a0when he said a word of <strong>condemnation<\/strong>, it was at the <strong>end<\/strong><\/em>, when there was nothing left to do\u201d. But Paul, too, was \u201caware that he must\u00a0evangelize, not\u00a0proselytize\u201d. The Church \u201cdoes not grow by\u00a0proselytizing,\u00a0as Benedict XVI has told us, but grows by\u00a0attracting people, by its\u00a0witness, and by its\u00a0preaching\u201d. Ultimately, \u201cPaul acted because he was sure, sure of Jesus Christ. He had no doubt of his Lord\u201d.<\/span> (<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/w2.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/cotidie\/2013\/documents\/papa-francesco-cotidie_20130508_non-exclusion.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Morning Meditation<\/a>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cJesus excludes no one\u201d: 5-8-13; my italics and bolding)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Francis cites Revelation 3:20 to make his point : \u201cLook, I am at the door and I am calling; do you want to open the door?\u201d In a gloss on this verse, Francis says,<\/span> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cHe does not use force, he does not break the lock, but instead, quite simply, he presses the doorbell, knocks gently on the door and then waits.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Yes, Jesus waits (Rev 3:20: \u201cBehold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.\u201d). He allows \u2014 even encourages \u2014 the factor of human free will in the overall process of salvation. And He does that because He doesn\u2019t want us to be robots. Robot obedience would be meaningless. The pope, in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/homilies\/2015\/documents\/papa-francesco_20150707_ecuador-omelia-bicentenario.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">this particular homily in Ecuador (7-7-15)<\/a>, made this point. It backs up what he is contending. It doesn\u2019t logically\u00a0<em>follow<\/em> that he therefore supposedly <em>denies<\/em> all necessity for doctrinal discussion or gospel preaching. It\u2019s <em>absurd<\/em> to draw this unwarranted conclusion from this homily. Simply because someone is emphasizing one thing at a specific point in time, doesn\u2019t mean that they <em>deny<\/em> something <em>else<\/em>. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It would be like saying, \u201cDave Armstrong is sitting and typing an article in reply to Dr.\u00a0Echeverria on a Saturday afternoon; therefore, he is opposed to playing chess, reading Chesterton by a fire, or listening to Beethoven\u2019s Ninth Symphony.\u201d The two types of activity (typing this paper vs. various enjoyable pastimes) have <em>nothing<\/em> to do with each other. If indeed, Pope Francis opposes all (what we might call) \u201cdoctrinal evangelization,\u201d then it would be simple enough to produce clear and undeniable <em>proofs<\/em> that he did so. It\u2019s <strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong> \u201cproven\u201d by arguments from silence, false dichotomies, and cherry-picking brief quotations that appear only at first glance to support one\u2019s position, while ignoring context and the overall thought of the person in question.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria insinuated above, by citing Pope St. Paul VI, that Pope Francis would deny the necessity of \u201cpreaching\u201d and \u201cproclamation\u201d of the \u201cGood News.\u201d It\u2019s quite odd, then \u2014 <em>if<\/em> indeed these charges are <em>true<\/em> \u2014 that in the same homily, Pope Francis also states:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Our cry, in this place linked to the original cry for freedom in this country, echoes that of Saint Paul: \u201cWoe to me if I do not preach the Gospel!\u201d (<i>1 Cor<\/i>\u00a09:16). It is a cry every bit as urgent and pressing as was the cry for independence. It is similarly thrilling in its ardor. Brothers and sisters, have the same mind as Christ: May each of you be a witness to a fraternal communion which shines forth in our world!<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Where is the <em>beef<\/em> here? Once again, the very example from Pope Francis that<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria cites, doesn\u2019t come within a country mile of establishing what he is contending. It expressly <em>contradicts<\/em> his understanding. He picks out one portion and ignores the rest of the same homily. According to legal reasoning (and it works well in theological debate also): a partial truth (as opposed to \u201cthe whole truth\u201d of the oath that court witnesses swear by) presented is little better than a falsehood. If one presents one theme in Pope Francis (even if it is a prominent one) and ignores other themes, while acting as if these other ones are altogether absent, this is misrepresentation and shoddy research.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Encounter versus \u201cTheory\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Let us turn now to the contrast Francis draws between \u201cencounter\u201d and \u201ctheory.\u201d He insists, <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cBeing a Christian is not adhering to a doctrine. . . . Being Christian is about an encounter.\u201d<\/span> He seems to think according to a scheme wherein faith begins with the personal encounter with Christ, and subsequently, as a secondary matter, ends with doctrinal beliefs, convictions. This scheme is evident in the contrast Francis draws between \u201cencounter\u201d and \u201ctheory.\u201d This contrast raises a question, in particular, that Francis does not address, but which is crucial to understanding the integral place of beliefs that one holds to be true, affirms, and asserts in the life of faith. Are the truths of faith expressed in the creedal statements of Nicaea and Chalcedon, more particularly, orthodoxy, constitutive of the message of the Gospel, that is, of that initial evangelical encounter? Alternatively, is orthodoxy mere \u201ctheory,\u201d just \u201cideas,\u201d mere thoughts or mere sets of words, altogether separate from God, not conveying or grasping divine reality itself, the truth about that reality, fulfilling the truth-attaining capacity of the human mind to lay hold of divine reality?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Francis does not say. What he does say leads me to think that, according to Francis, \u201corthodoxy\u201d is mere theory, just ideas or words, etc. Indeed, one of Pope Francis\u2019 first principles is, <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201crealities are greater than ideas.\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cIdeas,\u201d<\/span> says Francis are<span style=\"color: #008000;\"> \u201cconceptual elaborations.\u201d<\/span> It is not at all clear of what they are conceptual elaborations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria \u2014 for whatever reason \u2014\u00a0 often cites Pope Francis without documentation in this article. Blessedly, Internet search methods allow me to locate what he is referring to. In this instance, ironically, I tried to locate the text cited in the second sentence above, and wound up finding words expressing <em>almost precisely the same thing<\/em>: in Pope <em>Benedict<\/em>!:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Being Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction. (Encyclical Letter <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/benedict-xvi\/en\/encyclicals\/documents\/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Deus Caritas Est<\/em><\/a>, 12-25-05, Introduction)<br>\n<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It seems to me that this is a great blow to<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria\u2019s thesis of Pope Francis\u2019 alleged alarming departure from Catholic precedent and tradition, if it is seen that here he is almost <em>echoing<\/em> the words of Pope Benedict XVI: and in an encyclical, no less.\u00a0 Now Dr.\u00a0Echeverria has to include Pope Benedict in the <em>same criticism<\/em>. And that is a rather uncomfortable position for a Francis-critic to be in. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But the similarity of thought presumably accounts for the Pope Emeritus\u2019 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/11\/pope-benedicts-enthusiastic-approval-of-pope-francis.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">strong and enthusiastic support for Pope Francis<\/a>. He sees no radical break or rupture; Dr.\u00a0Echeverria, alas, <em>does<\/em>. Readers know whom I will follow in such a circumstance. And I <em>certainly<\/em> won\u2019t be convinced otherwise by reasoning as inadequate as what we have observed so far in this article.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cEncounter\u201d seems to almost be considered a dirty word in the above excerpt from this article. Yet Pope Benedict in this encyclical uses it <em>19 times<\/em>. Here are some examples (my bolded emphasis):<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Faith, worship and\u00a0<i>ethos\u00a0<\/i>are interwoven as a single reality which takes shape in our <strong>encounter<\/strong> with God\u2019s<i>\u00a0agape<\/i>. (14)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Saint John\u2019s words should rather be interpreted to mean that love of neighbour is a path that leads to the<strong> encounter<\/strong> with God, . . . (16)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Faith by its specific nature is an encounter with the living God\u2014an <strong>encounter<\/strong> opening up new horizons extending beyond the sphere of reason. (28)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Consequently, in addition to their necessary professional training, these charity workers need a \u201cformation of the heart\u201d: they need to be led to that <strong>encounter<\/strong> with God in Christ which awakens their love and opens their spirits to others. (31)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I did another search and ran across the reference. It was an<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/speeches\/2019\/march\/documents\/papa-francesco_20190331_sacerdoti-marocco.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">address\u00a0in Morocco (3-31-19)<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">At first glance, it may seem as if the pope is denying the importance of doctrine. In my interpretation (considering context), I think he is merely expressing that doctrine is not <em>all<\/em> there is to being a Christian (which is a self-evident truth):<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">I believe we should worry whenever we Christians are troubled by the thought we are only significant if we are the flour, if we occupy all the spaces. You know very well that our lives are meant to be \u201cyeast\u201d, wherever and with whomever we find ourselves, even if this appears to bring no tangible or immediate benefits (cf.\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/w2.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/apost_exhortations\/documents\/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html#Concern_for_the_vulnerable\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>Evangelii Gaudium<\/i>, 210<\/a><span style=\"color: #008000;\">). For being a Christian is not about adhering to a doctrine, or a temple or an ethnic group. Being Christian is about an encounter, an encounter with Jesus Christ. We are Christians because we have been loved and encountered, and not as the result of proselytism. Being Christian is about knowing that we have been forgiven and knowing that we are asked to treat others in the same way that God treated us. For \u201cby this everyone shall know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another\u201d (<i>Jn<\/i>\u00a013:35).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I have defended Pope Francis now\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/04\/replies-to-critiques-of-pope-francis-dave-armstrong.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">150 times<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">And I notice that he often makes statements that seem (to many, and with some justification) absolute or too strong when he is <em>emphasizing something else<\/em>. It\u2019s the extreme contrast, which is actually a technique that Jesus often used as well (\u201cunless you hate your mother and father you cannot follow me\u201d etc.). In this situation he was speaking to priests and religious in Morocco where the Christian minority is only 1% of the population (almost all being Muslim). So he was underemphasizing \u201cdoctrinal evangelism\u201d because it would almost never succeed in those extreme, hostile circumstances.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Sometimes (I readily agree with many papal critics in <em>this<\/em> respect), I think it would be better, and would prevent many misunderstandings, if the pope <em>qualified<\/em> some of his statements, making that much more clear what he is saying. That said; in this instance, I think my interpretation is strongly implied in context. He\u2019s discussing the <em>totality<\/em> of being a Christian, which includes <em>more<\/em> than just <em>doctrine<\/em>. But it would have been arguably better (and I wouldn\u2019t have to do this analysis) if he had said, \u201cbeing a Christian is not <strong><em>only<\/em><\/strong> about adhering to a doctrine.\u201d I see his statement here as <em>intended<\/em> in a way that is similar to what St. Paul wrote:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1 Corinthians 13:1-2\u00a0<\/strong>If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.\u00a0[2] And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">St. Paul is not denying the importance of \u201cmysteries\u201d and \u201cknowledge\u201d (which would include doctrine and theology) at all. He is doing what Pope Francis frequently does \u2014 drawing the strong contrast: \u201cIf I have all this knowledge and faith, but not love, I\u2019m but a noisy gong, and in the end I am nothing.\u201d I think that is what the pope was driving at in this talk, in a particular context of a tiny group of Christians in an overwhelmingly Muslim culture. One can also find analogous scriptural statements that essentially define what a Christian is, while not mentioning doctrine or theology. For example:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1 John 2:4-5\u00a0<\/strong>He who says \u201cI know him\u201d but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not\u00a0in him;<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>[5]<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>but whoever keeps his word,<b>\u00a0<\/b>in him\u00a0truly love for God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are<b>\u00a0<\/b>in him:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1 John 3:24<\/strong>\u00a0All who keep his commandments abide\u00a0in him, and he in them. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Other times in the Bible, doctrinal considerations are made the criterion of being in the fold, while not denying the importance of love. For example (one of many):<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>2 Thessalonians 2:10-12<\/strong>\u00a0and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.\u00a0[11] Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false,\u00a0[12] so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Both sorts of utterances are partial expressions of the whole. We don\u2019t say that St. John couldn\u2019t care less about doctrine because he said keeping the commandments made one sure of one\u2019s Christian status. Nor do we say that St. Paul denied one aspect or the other. He expressed the centrality of love in 1 Corinthians 13:1-2 and the necessity of doctrinal truth in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. Neither one implies (let alone <em>necessitates<\/em>) a denial of the other. The same reasoning (which we see is eminently biblical) is what \u2014 I submit \u2014 Pope Francis was also doing in this instance.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Pope Francis rejects propositional revelation. He says, <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cGod has revealed himself as history, not as a compendium of abstract truths.\u201d\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Who thinks that divine revelation is a \u201ccompendium of abstract truths?\u201d Is this a straw man?<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Many people get into the habit or \u201cgame\u201d of thinking that Christianity is merely a set of abstract beliefs and principles and rules, rather than a lived reality, grounded in the historical incarnation and sacraments and regular corporate worship and good works originated in God\u2019s grace and the enabling power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. How this self-evident observation amounts to rejecting propositional revelation is, I confess, beyond me. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It\u2019s curious because<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria readily admits that the statement itself is unassailable: so much so that he thinks it is being utilized as a straw man. But then he uses the obvious statement to draw an extraordinary and sweeping conclusion that doesn\u2019t follow at all. The overall context makes it quite clear (again!) what the pope was driving at. The article provides one small snippet, yanked out of context. Here it is, presented<a href=\"https:\/\/www.americamagazine.org\/faith\/2013\/09\/30\/big-heart-open-god-interview-pope-francis\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> <em>in<\/em>\u00a0its proper context<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">When I insist on the frontier, I am referring in a particular way to the need for those who work in the world of culture to be inserted into the context in which they operate and on which they reflect. There is always the lurking danger of living in a laboratory. Ours is not a \u2018lab faith,\u2019 but a \u2018journey faith,\u2019 a historical faith. God has revealed himself as history, not as a compendium of abstract truths. I am afraid of laboratories because in the laboratory you take the problems and then you bring them home to tame them, to paint them artificially, out of their context. You cannot bring home the frontier, but you have to live on the border and be audacious.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">I ask for examples from his personal experience. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cThe frontiers are many. Let us think of the religious sisters living in hospitals. They live on the frontier. I am alive because of one of them. When I went through my lung disease at the hospital, the doctor gave me penicillin and streptomycin in certain doses. The sister who was on duty tripled my doses because she was daringly astute; she knew what to do because she was with ill people all day. The doctor, who really was a good one, lived in his laboratory; the sister lived on the frontier and was in dialogue with it every day. Domesticating the frontier means just talking from a remote location, locking yourself up in a laboratory. Laboratories are useful, but reflection for us must always start from experience.\u201d<br>\n<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Holy Father was talking about the intersection of personal faith and life experiences: faith and works: living out one\u2019s convictions in a consistent way. There is nothing whatsoever <em>wrong<\/em> with this. It was a constant emphasis in both Our Lord Jesus and St. Paul. But<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria gets out of these observations, that Pope Francis \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">rejects propositional revelation\u201d? <span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>Huh<\/em>?! It\u2019s such a weak argument that I will devote no further ink to it.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">What I am saying is that Francis \u2019s rejection of propositional truth and the corresponding realist idea of truth underpinning it, and hence propositional revelation, would imperil the entire character of Christian faith and theology.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>If<\/em> in fact he was doing that, I would readily agree. The problem is that nothing whatsoever has been submitted that would <em>suggest<\/em> to the slightest degree that that <em>is<\/em> what he is doing, or seeks to do. It\u2019s like the theological equivalent of the Mueller Report: a big nothing-burger.<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria pulls out a line here and one from over there, appears to ignore the context of all of them, then makes grandiose conclusions from them that simply do not logically follow.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Apostolic Exhortation<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/apost_exhortations\/documents\/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Evangelii Gaudium<\/em><\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">(11-24-13) is then cited:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><span class=\"a\">At\u00a0the same time, this principle impels us to put\u00a0the word\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\">into practice, to perform works of justice and charity which make that word fruitful. Not\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\">to put the word into practice, not to make it reality, is to\u00a0build on sand, to remain in\u00a0the\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\">realm of pure ideas and to end up in a lifeless and unfruitful self-centredness and\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"a\">gnosticism. [233]<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Nothing new, radical, shocking, or innovative is present here. It\u2019s faith and works again.\u00a0<\/span>It\u2019s the main argument of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/12\/justification-not-by-faith-alone-ongoing.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the epistle of James<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0and a\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/st-paul-on-grace-faith-works-50-passages.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">constant motif in St. Paul<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">If someone wants to insist that Pope Francis is out of line, he or she must <em>also<\/em> demonstrate how Paul and James are <em>not<\/em> wrong, because they teach the <em>same thing<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria then proceeds into very deep theological waters, with weighty citations from Berkouwer and Lonergan, which are perfectly irrelevant, since he is presupposing, in producing them, false premises as to imaginary beliefs of Pope Francis, which have by no means been established in the previous argumentation. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It\u2019s a house of cards or a house built upon a foundation of sand. One has to master arithmetic and algebra and geometry before moving on to trigonometry and calculus.\u00a0In a court case, it has to be established that a person was<em> present<\/em> at location<em> x<\/em> at time <em>y<\/em> in order to prove that he or she committed the crime that is known to have occurred at location <em>x<\/em> at time <em>y<\/em>. The second can hardly be argued without the first being demonstrated.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">In the Apostolic Constitution, <em>Veritatis Gaudium<\/em>, Pope Francis states in the first part of the second sentence, \u201cFor truth is not an abstract idea, but is Jesus himself.\u201d Now, we might think that Francis is rightly insisting that truth itself must be authenticated existentially \u2014 that is, experienced, lived out, practiced, carried out \u2014 and hence cannot be reduced to propositional truth \u2014 to being merely believed, asserted, and claimed. Perhaps he is merely saying, as John Paul II once said, \u201cNo, we shall not be saved by a formula but by a Person, and the assurance which he gives us: I am with you!\u201d However, the contrast in this first sentence is between abstract truth and reality rather than between two complementary ways of understanding truth, propositional truth and existential truth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Since this is explicitly biblical way of expressing things, I don\u2019t think it deserves any further rebuttal:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>John 14:6<\/strong> . . .\u00a0\u201cI am the way, and<b>\u00a0<\/b>the truth, and the life . . .\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Ephesians 4:21<\/strong> . . .\u00a0the truth is in Jesus.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1 John 5:7<\/strong> And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is\u00a0the truth. [the Holy Spirit also being God, as Jesus is]<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/press.vatican.va\/content\/salastampa\/en\/bollettino\/pubblico\/2018\/01\/29\/180129c.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Veritatis Gaudium<\/em>\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(1-29-18) also mentions \u201cdoctrine\u201d 26 times, \u201ctheology\u201d 55 times, \u201cteaching\u201d 35 times, \u201cgospel\u201d 24 times, \u201ctradition\u201d 8 times, \u201crevelation\u201d 20 times. This is hardly some anti-propositional truth treatise.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr.\u00a0Echeverria cites one of the notorious interviews with the atheist Eugenio Scalfari, to suggest that Pope Francis denies \u201cabsolute truth.\u201d This is the same guy who claimed that the pope denied the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/03\/pope-francis-hell-phil-lawler-lies-damned-lies.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">existence of hell (and heaven and purgatory)<\/a>, as well as the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholic.com\/magazine\/online-edition\/clarity-is-next-to-godliness\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">divinity of Christ<\/a>, His bodily resurrection, and the incarnation. Everyone knows by now that Scalfari is a 95-year-old atheist who transcribes words from these \u201cinterviews\u201d <em>by memory<\/em>. I got a special kick and chuckle about the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnsnews.com\/blog\/michael-w-chapman\/scalfari-pope-francis-told-me-jesus-incarnate-was-man-not-all-god\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> supposed denial of the incarnation<\/a>, seeing that the pope makes constant reference to it in his recent apostolic letter regarding nativity scenes (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/apost_letters\/documents\/papa-francesco-lettera-ap_20191201_admirabile-signum.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Admirabile Signum<\/em><\/a>, 12-1-19):<br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">The depiction of Jesus\u2019 birth is itself a simple and joyful proclamation of the mystery of the Incarnation of the Son of God. (1)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">. . . the humility of the God who became man . . . (1)<br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Coming into this world, the Son of God was laid in the place where animals feed. Hay became the first bed of the One who would reveal himself as \u201cthe bread come down from heaven\u201d (<i>Jn<\/i>\u00a06:41). (2)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">The priest then solemnly celebrated the Eucharist over the manger, showing the bond between the Incarnation of the Son of God and the Eucharist. (2)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">In a particular way, from the time of its Franciscan origins, the nativity scene has invited us to \u201cfeel\u201d and \u201ctouch\u201d the poverty that God\u2019s Son took upon himself in the Incarnation. (3)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">It was to answer these questions that God became man. (4)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u00a0It is the humble and the poor who greet the event of the Incarnation. (5)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">The presence of the poor and the lowly in the nativity scene remind us that God became man for the sake of those who feel most in need of his love and who ask him to draw near to them. (6)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cLife was made manifest\u201d (<i>1 Jn<\/i>\u00a01:2). In these words, the Apostle John sums up the mystery of the Incarnation. The cr\u00e8che allows us to see and touch this unique and unparalleled event that changed the course of history, so that time would thereafter be reckoned either before or after the birth of Christ. (8)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Really radical and heterodox stuff, that. Is all this a denial of the \u201cpropositional truth\u201d of the incarnation and divinity of Jesus Christ? After more (in my opinion) baseless wild speculation,\u00a0Dr.\u00a0Echeverria writes:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[W]ith the denial of the unique and absolute status of the Christian faith is Francis implicitly denying the fullness and completeness of God\u2019s\u00a0 revelatory presence in Jesus Christ such that God is present in Jesus in a unique, absolute, and unparalleled way?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Obviously <em>not<\/em>, judging by the statements above from a papal Apostolic Letter released less than two weeks ago, as I write. It\u2019s an outrageous insinuation, set forth without one iota of proof. I\u2019m well-used by now to unwarranted attacks on this pope (I <em>know<\/em> their weakness firsthand, because I have dealt with them <em>myself<\/em>\u00a0\u2014 and, if I do say so, refuted them \u2014 over 150 times now). But when folks start accusing the Holy Father and supreme head of the Catholic Church of things like a denial of the incarnation and divinity of Christ (vainly trying to \u201csoften\u201d the extremity of such charges with words like \u201cimplicitly\u201d and qualifying question marks), it\u2019s far too much to take. Enough is <em>enough<\/em>!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I\u2019ve spent enough time on this article, having now reached almost 7,000 words. I trust that open-minded readers may perceive by now its many and various shortcomings, and its failure to prove what it set out to prove.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Unfortunately, Money Trees Do Not Exist<\/strong>:\u00a0<\/span>If you have been aided in any way by my work, or think it is valuable and worthwhile, please strongly consider financially supporting it (even $10 \/ month \u2014 a mere 33 cents a day \u2014 would be very helpful). 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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