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Protestants have frequently been observed to argue that we Catholics are being \u201cmorbid\u201d and have misplaced priorities, by concentrating far too much on Jesus\u2019 sacrificial death on the cross for us (and along with that, meditating on crucifixes that depict it), since He is long since resurrected, glorified, and ascended to heaven.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Why, then, is this<\/em>\u00a0passage in the Bible?:<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Revelation 5:6<\/strong> (RSV) And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, . . . <\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n
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Why would God want St. John to see this<\/em><\/strong> scene, if indeed, Protestant reasoning in this regard is true? It doesn\u2019t \u201cfit.\u201d St. John specifically sees a \u201cLamb . . . slain.\u201d Also in the same context, Jesus is specifically worshiped<\/strong><\/em> as He is seen in this fashion<\/em>:<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Revelation 5:8-14<\/strong> And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints; [9] and they sang a new song, saying, \u201cWorthy art thou to take the scroll and to open its seals, for thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God from every tribe and tongue and people and nation,\u00a0<\/span>[10] and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on earth.\u201d [11] Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, [12] saying with a loud voice, \u201cWorthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!\u201d [13] And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all therein, saying, \u201cTo him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might for ever and ever!\u201d [14] And the four living creatures said, \u201cAmen!\u201d and the elders fell down and worshiped.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n
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This is virtually a Catholic Mass. It\u2019s not risen, glorified Jesus Who is visually present, but the slain Lamb. In the Mass, the sacrifice of the cross is made present; time is transcended. And in many Catholic Churches, the image of Jesus that is seen in front is, precisely, the crucified Jesus.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Likewise, St. Paul refers to \u201cChrist crucified\u201d and similar descriptions in addition to the risen, glorified Jesus<\/a>:<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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1 Corinthians 1:22-23<\/strong> For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, [23] but we preach Christ crucified<\/span><\/em><\/strong>, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n
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1 Corinthians 1:17-18<\/strong> For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ<\/span> be emptied of its power. [18] For the word of the cross<\/span> is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.<\/span><\/div>\n
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1 Corinthians 2:1-2<\/strong> When I came to you, brethren, I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God in lofty words or wisdom. [2] For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified<\/span>.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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2 Corinthians 4:10<\/strong>\u00a0always carrying in the body the death of Jesus<\/span>, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies.<\/div>\n
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Galatians 2:20<\/strong> I have been crucified with Christ<\/span>; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n
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Galatians 6:14<\/strong> But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ<\/span>, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Philippians 3:10\u00a0<\/strong>that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death<\/span>,<\/div>\n
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Colossians 1:24\u00a0<\/strong>Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ\u2019s afflictions<\/span> for the sake of his body, that is, the church, (cf. Gal 6:17)<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n
St. Paul\u2019s focus on the cross and Jesus\u2019 sacrifice in these passages, as if it were a present reality, is very much in line with Catholic teaching, and against the notion that crucifixes distract from true worship of Jesus.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Early Protestant Antipathy Towards Art (+ Iconoclasm)<\/a>\u00a0[1991]<\/p>\n

Veneration of Images, Iconoclasm, and Idolatry\u00a0(An Exposition)<\/a>\u00a0[11-15-02]<\/p>\n

Bible on Holy Places & Things<\/a>\u00a0[1-8-08]<\/div>\n
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Martin Luther on Crucifixes, Images and Statues of Saints, and the Sign of the Cross<\/a>\u00a0[4-15-08]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Bible on Candles, Incense, & Symbolism for Prayer<\/a>\u00a0[2-16-09]<\/div>\n
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Dialogue on Sacramentalism, Holy Objects, and Relics<\/a>\u00a0[2-26-09]<\/div>\n
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Bible on Physical Objects as Aids in Worship\u00a0<\/a>[4-7-09]<\/div>\n
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Calvin, Zwingli, and Bullinger vs. Statues of Christ, Crucifixes, & Crosses<\/a>\u00a0[9-19-09]<\/div>\n
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Crucifixes: Abominable Idols or Devotional Aids?<\/a>\u00a0[11-10-09]<\/div>\n
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Eucharistic Adoration: Idolatry or Biblical? (vs. Calvin #47)<\/a>\u00a0[12-2-09]<\/div>\n
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Biblical Evidence for Worship of God Via an Image<\/a>\u00a0[6-24-11]<\/div>\n
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Bible On God\u2019s Special Presence Prior to the Incarnation<\/a>\u00a0[2011]<\/div>\n
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Blasphemy Against Creatures & Things: Not Just Against God: A Biblical Exposition\u00a0<\/a>[11-30-11]<\/div>\n
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Biblical Idolatry: Authentic & Counterfeit Conceptions<\/a>\u00a0[2015]<\/div>\n
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Dialogue on Worship of God Via Natural Images<\/a>\u00a0(vs. Jim Drickamer) [1-16-17]<\/div>\n
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\u201cArmstrong vs. Geisler\u201d #9: Images & Relics<\/a>\u00a0[3-2-17]<\/div>\n
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Statues in Relation to Bowing, Prayer, & Worship in Scripture<\/a>\u00a0[12-26-17]<\/div>\n
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Eucharistic Adoration: Explicit & Undeniable Biblical Analogies<\/a>\u00a0[2-1-19]
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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. They have three sons and a daughter, and reside in southeast Michigan (metro Detroit).","sameAs":["https:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/","https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dave.armstrong.798","https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@LuxVeritatisApologetics"],"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/author\/davearmstrong"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43491","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2331"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43491"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43491\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/43494"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43491"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=43491"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=43491"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}