{"id":43731,"date":"2020-01-23T12:38:46","date_gmt":"2020-01-23T16:38:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=43731"},"modified":"2026-06-06T00:41:26","modified_gmt":"2026-06-06T04:41:26","slug":"people-extend-gods-comfort-peace-communion-of-saints","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/01\/people-extend-gods-comfort-peace-communion-of-saints.html","title":{"rendered":"People Extend God&#8217;s Comfort &#038; Peace (Communion of Saints)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-43734\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/01\/Cover-555-x-828.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"515\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Chapter 19 of my book,\u00a0<i><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/books-by-dave-armstrong\/the-catholic-mary-quite-contrary-to-the-bible\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cThe Catholic Mary\u201d: Quite Contrary to the Bible?<\/a>\u00a0<\/i>(Sep. 2010). I have abridged the many Scripture verses (i.e., merely listed some references rather than present the whole passage) for the sake of brevity.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p>Some Protestants argue that Catholic terminology and notions regarding petitions or pleas directed towards Mary are unbiblical (and indeed idolatrous), since we invoke her aid and comfort and strength and claim to receive peace by the same means, and (so they claim) such things are only properly referred to as coming from God alone.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, a Catholic who said that Mary gave him <em>strength <\/em>might have a verse such as the following given to him as a rebuttal (as if it is being violated by so believing):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Psalm 46:1 <\/strong>(RSV, as throughout)\u00a0God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Or if he said Mary provided spiritual <em>comfort<\/em>, he might very well be directed to the following verse, as a corrective:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Isaiah 49:13 <\/strong>. . . For the LORD has comforted his people, and will have compassion on his afflicted.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If Mary is said to have granted <em>peace <\/em>to a troubled soul, the Catholic (or anyone who believes such about Mary and the saints) would be rebuked and \u201cinstructed\u201d (with all the very best intentions, I freely grant) with a biblical verse such as:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John 14:27 <\/strong>Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It is implied (with a fallacious, unbiblical \u201ceither\/or\u201d reasoning) that <em>only <\/em>God can be a strength (etc.), and that this somehow precludes human beings participating in the strengthening of other human beings in time of need. The Bible doesn\u2019t teach that. For example, we see the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Deuteronomy 3:28 <\/strong>But charge Joshua, and encourage and <em>strengthen <\/em>him; for he shall go over at the head of this people, and he shall put them in possession of the land which you shall see. [God speaking to Moses]<\/p>\n<p><strong>1 Samuel 23:16 <\/strong>And Jonathan, Saul\u2019s son, rose, and went to David at Horesh, and <em>strengthened <\/em>his hand in God. (cf. 2 Chron 11:16-17; Ecc 7:19)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Daniel 11:1 <\/strong>And as for me [Daniel], in the first year of Darius the Mede, I stood up to confirm and <em>strengthen <\/em>him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 22:32 <\/strong>but I have prayed for you [Peter] that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, <em>strengthen <\/em>your brethren.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 14:22 <\/strong>[Paul and Barnabas] <em>strengthening the souls of the disciples<\/em>, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 15:32 <\/strong>And Judas and Silas, who were themselves prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words and <em>strengthened <\/em>them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 15:41 <\/strong>And he [Paul] went through Syria and Cili\u2019cia, <em>strengthening <\/em>the churches. (cf. Acts 16:5)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 18:23 <\/strong>After spending some time there he [Paul] departed and went from place to place through the region of Galatia and Phryg\u2019ia, <em>strengthening <\/em>all the disciples.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Romans 1:11 <\/strong>For I [Paul] long to see you, <em>that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen <\/em>you,<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>St. Paul in turn gives God the ultimate credit as the <em>original source <\/em>of all such strength, channeled through himself and other spiritual leaders (\u201cboth \/ and\u201d reasoning again: Rom 16:15; Eph 3:16; 6:10; Phil 4:13; Col 1:11; 2 Thess 3:3; 1 Tim 1:12; 2 Tim 2:1; 4:17). St. Peter does the same (1 Pet 4:11; 5:10).<\/p>\n<p>At least one passage even illustrates how God uses things in His creation to strengthen man:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Psalm 104:13-15 <\/strong>From thy lofty abode thou waterest the mountains; the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy work. [14] Thou dost cause the grass to grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth, [15] and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread to <em>strengthen man<\/em><em>\u2019<\/em><em>s heart<\/em>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Note how \u201cheart\u201d is used here instead of body. This refers to the spirit, not merely physical energy from nutrition. Other similar biblical concepts concerning aid from others (not solely God to the exclusion of men) abound:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Encouragement <\/em>(Deut 1:38; 2 Chron 35:2; Acts 18:27; 20:2; 27:36; Rom 1:12; 1 Cor 14:3, 31; Eph 6:22; Col 2:2; 4:8; 1 Thess 2:11;5:11, 14).<\/p>\n<p><em>Exhortation <\/em>(Lk 3:18; Acts 2:40; 11:23; 14:22; 15:31-32; 16:40; 20:1; Rom 12:8; 1 Thess 2:11; 3:2; 4:1, 10; 5:14; 2 Thess 3:12; 1 Tim 5:1; 2 Tim 4:2; Titus 2:15; Heb 3:13; 13:22; 1 Pet 5:1, 12)<\/p>\n<p><em>Help <\/em>(Gen 2:18, 20; Is 41:6 [cf. 10, 13-14]; Acts 16:9; 18:27; 20:35; Rom 16:2; 1 Cor 12:28; 2 Cor 1:11; 1 Thess 5:14).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Comfort (of the spiritual sort) is also referred to as coming from fellow human beings: not just from God:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Job 42:11 <\/strong>Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house; and they showed him sympathy and <em>comforted <\/em>him for all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him; and each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold. (cf. 1 Chr 7:22)<\/p>\n<p><strong>2 Corinthians 1:4, 6-7 <\/strong>who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to <em>comfort <\/em>those who are in any affliction, with the <em>comfort <\/em>with which we ourselves are comforted by God. . . . [6] If we are afflicted, it is for your <em>comfort <\/em>and salvation; and if we are <em>comforted<\/em>, it is for your <em>comfort<\/em>, which you experience when you patiently endure the same sufferings that we suffer. [7] Our hope for you is unshaken; for we know that as you share in our sufferings, you will also share in our <em>comfort<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2 Corinthians 2:7 <\/strong>so you should rather turn to forgive and <em>comfort <\/em>him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2 Corinthians 7:7 <\/strong>and not only by his coming but also by the <em>comfort <\/em>with which he was <em>comforted <\/em>in you, as he told us of your longing, your mourning, your zeal for me, so that I rejoiced still more. (cf. 7:4, 6, 13)<\/p>\n<p><strong>1 Thessalonians 3:7 <\/strong>for this reason, brethren, in all our distress and affliction we have been <em>comforted <\/em>about you through your faith;<\/p>\n<p><strong>1 Thessalonians 4:18 <\/strong>Therefore <em>comfort <\/em>one another with these words. (cf. Col 4:11; Philemon 1:7)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>God even compares His comfort with human (and animal) maternal comfort and care:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Isaiah 66:13 <\/strong>As one whom his mother <em>comforts<\/em>, so I will <em>comfort <\/em>you; you shall be <em>comforted <\/em>in Jerusalem.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 23:37 <\/strong>O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together <em>as a hen gathers her brood under her wings<\/em>, and you would not!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Lastly, human beings extend to each other God\u2019s <em>peace <\/em>\u2014 as well as grace and mercy (God is not the only One who does this, though He is the ultimate origin and cause of it):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>1 Samuel 25:6 <\/strong>And thus you shall salute him: \u201c<em>Peace <\/em>be to you, and <em>peace <\/em>be to your house, and <em>peace <\/em>be to all that you have.\u201d (cf. 1:17; 25:35; Jud 18:6)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 10:13 <\/strong>And if the house is worthy, <em>let your peace come upon it<\/em>; but if it is not worthy, let <em>your peace <\/em>return to you. (cf. 5:9; Lk 10:5-6)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Romans 1:7 <\/strong>To all God\u2019s beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints: <em>Grace <\/em>to you and <em>peace <\/em>from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.<\/p>\n<p><strong>1 Corinthians 1:3 <\/strong><em>Grace <\/em>to you and <em>peace <\/em>from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (cf. 2 Cor 1:2; Gal 1:3; 6:16; Eph 1:2; 6:23; Phil 1:2; Col 1:2; 1 Thess 1:1; 2 Thess 1:2; 1 Tim 1:2; 2 Tim 1:2; Titus 1:4; Philem 1:3)<\/p>\n<p><strong>1 Peter 5:14 <\/strong>. . . <em>Peace <\/em>to all of you that are in Christ.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2 Peter 1:2 <\/strong>May <em>grace <\/em>and <em>peace <\/em>be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. (cf. 1 Pet 1:2)<\/p>\n<p><strong>3 John 1:15 <\/strong><em>Peace <\/em>be to you. . . .<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jude 1:2 <\/strong>May <em>mercy<\/em>, <em>peace<\/em>, and <em>love <\/em>be multiplied to you.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>St. Paul, for example, also asks God to give others peace (an example of God using men as instruments to spread His blessings):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>2 Thessalonians 3:16 <\/strong>Now may the Lord of peace himself give you <em>peace <\/em>at all times in all ways. The Lord be with you all.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, Mary and other saints are still very much <em>alive<\/em>; they are not unconscious or nonexistent. Jesus rebuked the Sadducees, who denied the resurrection and afterlife:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Mark 12:26-27 <\/strong>\u201cAnd as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, \u2018I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob\u2019? [27] He is not God of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 20:34-38 <\/strong>And Jesus said to them, \u201cThe sons of this age marry and are given in marriage; [35] but those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, [36] for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. [37] But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. [38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to him.\u201d (cf. Mt 22:29-32)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If one denies this, serious problems with biblical revelation arise (not at all tied only to distinctively Catholic theology, but to <em>all <\/em>trinitarian Christian theology). Therefore, Mary and other departed saints can extend to us these blessings and graces, such as peace, comfort, encouragement, help, exhortation, and strength, just as believers extend these things to each other on earth.<\/p>\n<p>Death does not end participation in the Body of Christ. To the contrary, it magnifies it and makes it more powerful. And Mary, as the Mother of God the Son, has more power than any other creature to pray and comfort those of us on earth who ask for her aid. This is according to explicit biblical principles as well:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>James 5:13-18 <\/strong>Is any one among you suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praise. [14] Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; [15] and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. [16] Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects. [17] Eli\u2019jah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. [18] Then he prayed again and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth its fruit.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It is <em>precisely <\/em>because Mary is Jesus\u2019 mother (and given extraordinary graces for that purpose) that her intercession is so powerful: more so than any other creature\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p>Catholics do not believe (as we are often falsely accused) that Mary is the <em>source <\/em>of salvation; only that she is a vessel of God\u2019s grace and salvation, which is nothing more than what Paul says about himself and indeed about all believers (see, e.g., 2 Cor 4:8-15; Eph 3:2; 4:29; Phil 1:7, 19; cf. 1 Pet 4:10; longer list in chapter 18).<\/p>\n<p>Every time we pray for someone else we are a vessel of grace. Protestants too often confuse intercession and Mary\u2019s maternal role as mother of believers (hence Jesus called Mary John\u2019s mother from the cross), with some supposed identification of Mary in Catholicism as the source and origin of salvation. Only God is that: and this is what we teach.<\/p>\n<p>No one (i.e., who correctly understands orthodox Catholicism) is worshiping Mary. Seeking comfort from her is completely different from worship. All of Mary\u2019s power to help us is directly derived from God: solely by His grace. Properly understood, such aid from Mary is never intended in Catholic theology to usurp or compete with God\u2019s grace and power: she is merely His vessel or channel.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800080;\">Related Reading:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/does-invoking-mary-at-death-ignore-jesus.html\" target=\"_blank\">Does Invoking Mary at Death Ignore Jesus?<\/a>\u00a0[2013]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/dialogue-w-anglican-on-praying-to-mary-patron-saints-etc.html\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue with an Anglican on \u201cPraying to Mary,\u201d Patron Saints, Etc.<\/a>\u00a0[11-10-14]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/12\/reply-to-lutheran-on-invocation-of-saints.html\" target=\"_blank\">Reply to Lutheran on Invocation of Saints<\/a>\u00a0[12-1-15]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/01\/mary-mediatrix-a-biblical-explanation.html\" target=\"_blank\">Mary Mediatrix: A Biblical Explanation\u00a0<\/a>[1999]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/08\/mary-mediatrix-dialogue-w-evangelical-protestant.html\" target=\"_blank\">Mary Mediatrix: Dialogue w Evangelical Protestant<\/a>\u00a0[1-21-02]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/12\/mary-mediatrix-vs-jesus-christ-sole-mediator.html\" target=\"_blank\">Mary Mediatrix vs. Jesus Christ the Sole Mediator?<\/a>\u00a0[1-30-03]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/12\/dialogue-w-protestant-apologist-re-bible-mary-mediatrix.html\" target=\"_blank\">Mary Mediatrix &amp; 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Saved Human Beings<\/a>\u00a0[6-10-08]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/11\/one-mediator-1-tim-25-vs-all-human-mediation.html\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cOne Mediator\u201d (1 Tim 2:5) vs. All Human Mediation?<\/a>\u00a0[10-14-08]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/is-invocation-of-the-saints-equivalent-to-necromancy.html\" target=\"_blank\">Invocation of the Saints = Necromancy?<\/a>\u00a0[10-18-08]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/03\/invocation-of-saints-the-bible-dialogue.html\" target=\"_blank\">Invocation of Saints &amp; the Bible: Dialogue<\/a>\u00a0[2-14-10]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/04\/why-pray-to-a-saint-rather-than-to-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cWhy pray to a saint rather than to God?\u201d<\/a>\u00a0[4-1-10]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>\n<div><span class=\"userContent\"><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/11\/bible-on-asking-dead-men-to-intercede-luke-16.html\" target=\"_blank\">Bible on Asking Dead Men to Intercede\u00a0(Luke 16)\u00a0<\/a>[7-8-14]\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/dialogue-w-anglican-on-praying-to-mary-patron-saints-etc.html\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue with an Anglican on \u201cPraying to Mary,\u201d Patron Saints, Etc.<\/a>\u00a0(vs. Dr. Lydia McGrew) [11-10-14]<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/praying-to-angels-angelic-intercession.html\" target=\"_blank\">Praying to Angels &amp; Angelic Intercession<\/a>\u00a0[2015]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/asking-saints-to-intercede-teaching-of-jesus.html\" target=\"_blank\">Asking Saints to Intercede: Teaching of Jesus\u00a0<\/a>[2015]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/why-pray-to-saints-rather-than-god.html\" target=\"_blank\">Why Pray to Saints Rather than God?<\/a>\u00a0[9-4-15]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/12\/reply-to-lutheran-on-invocation-of-saints.html\" target=\"_blank\">Reply to a Lutheran Pastor on Invocation of Saints<\/a>\u00a0[12-1-15]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/dialogue-on-praying-to-abraham-luke-16.html\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue on Praying to Abraham (Luke 16)<\/a>\u00a0[5-22-16]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/prayer-to-saints-new-biblical-argument.html\" target=\"_blank\">Prayer to Saints: \u201cNew\u201d [?] Biblical Argument<\/a>\u00a0[5-23-16]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/12\/invocation-intercession-saints-angels-bible-proof.html\" target=\"_blank\">Invocation &amp; Intercession of Saints &amp; Angels: Bible Proof<\/a>\u00a0[10-22-16 and 1-9-17]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/02\/armstrong-vs-geisler-5-prayer-creatures.html\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cArmstrong vs. Geisler\u201d #5: Prayer to Creatures<\/a>\u00a0[2-20-17]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/05\/dialogue-rich-mans-prayer-abraham-lk-16-invocation-saints.html\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue: Rich Man\u2019s Prayer to Abraham (Luke 16) and the Invocation of Saints<\/a>\u00a0(vs. Lutheran Pastor Ken Howes) [5-3-17]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/05\/dialogue-samuel-appearing-saul-witch-endor.html\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue on Samuel Appearing to Saul (Witch of Endor)<\/a>\u00a0[5-6-17]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/12\/dialogue-prayer-saints-hades-sheol.html\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue on Prayer to the Saints and Hades \/ Sheol<\/a>\u00a0[12-19-17]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/06\/prayers-to-saints-for-the-dead-six-biblical-proofs.html\" target=\"_blank\">Prayers to Saints &amp; for the Dead: Six Biblical Proofs<\/a>\u00a0[6-8-18]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/11\/vs-james-white-13-jesus-taught-invocation-of-saints.html\" target=\"_blank\">Vs. James White #13: Jesus Taught Invocation of Saints (And by James White\u2019s \u201cReasoning,\u201d Jesus Couldn\u2019t be God and was a Blaspheming False Teacher)<\/a>\u00a0[11-16-19]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Unfortunately, Money Trees Do Not Exist<\/strong>:\u00a0<\/span>If you have been aided in any way by my work, or think it is valuable and worthwhile, please strongly consider financially supporting it (even $10 \/ month \u2014 a mere 33 cents a day \u2014 would be very helpful). I have been a full-time Catholic apologist since Dec. 2001, and have been writing Christian apologetics since 1981 (see\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/my-literary-resume.html\" target=\"_blank\">my Resume<\/a>).\u00a0My work has been proven (by God\u2019s grace alone) to be fruitful, in terms of changing lives (see the tangible evidences\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/fruit-156-reasons-why-catholic-apologetics-is-a-good-thing.html\" target=\"_blank\">from unsolicited \u201ctestimonies\u201d<\/a>).\u00a0I have to pay my bills like all of you: and have a (homeschooling) wife and three children still at home to provide for, and a mortgage to pay.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>My book royalties from<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/collections\/apologetics-bestsellers-numerous-topics\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u00a0three bestsellers in the field<\/a>\u00a0(published in 2003-2007) have been decreasing, as has my overall income, making it increasingly difficult to make ends meet.\u00a0 I provide over 2600 free articles here, for the purpose of your edification and education, and have\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" target=\"_blank\">written 50 books<\/a>.\u00a0It\u2019ll literally be a struggle to survive financially until Dec. 2020, when both my wife and I will be receiving Social Security. If you cannot contribute, I ask for your prayers (and \u201clikes\u201d and links and shares). Thanks!<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>See my\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\">information on how to donate<\/a>\u00a0(including 100% tax-deductible donations). It\u2019s very simple to contribute to my apostolate via PayPal, if a tax deduction is not needed (my \u201cbusiness name\u201d there is called \u201cCatholic Used Book Service,\u201d from my old bookselling days 17 or so years ago, but send to my email: apologistdave@gmail.com). Another easy way to send and receive money (with a bank account or a mobile phone) is through\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.zellepay.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Zelle<\/a>. Again, just send to my e-mail address.\u00a0May God abundantly bless you.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Chapter 19 of my book,\u00a0\u201cThe Catholic Mary\u201d: Quite Contrary to the Bible?\u00a0(Sep. 2010). 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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