{"id":45731,"date":"2020-03-21T15:02:06","date_gmt":"2020-03-21T19:02:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=45731"},"modified":"2020-03-21T15:19:44","modified_gmt":"2020-03-21T19:19:44","slug":"st-newman-vs-inconsistent-protestant-iconoclasts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/03\/st-newman-vs-inconsistent-protestant-iconoclasts.html","title":{"rendered":"St. Newman vs. Inconsistent Protestant Iconoclasts"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-45737\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/03\/Newman1860s.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"465\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">The following was taken from St. John Henry Cardinal Newman\u2019s book,<em>\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.newmanreader.org\/works\/england\/index.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Lectures on the Present Position of Catholics in England<\/em><\/a>\u00a0(1851; Lecture V [1. (2.)], pp. 180-181 in the 1918 edition: London: Longmans, Green and Co.).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p>(2.) Take again a very different subject. A Protestant blames Catholics for showing honour to images; yet he does it himself. And first, he sees no difficulty in a mode of treating them, quite as repugnant to his own ideas of what is rational, as the practice he abominates; and that is, the offering insult and mockery to them. Where is the good sense of showing dishonour, if it be stupid and brutish to show honour? Approbation and criticism, praise and blame go together. I do not mean, of course, that you dishonour what you honour; but that the two ideas of honour and dishonour so go together, that where you\u00a0<i>can<\/i>\u00a0apply\u2014(rightly or wrongly, but still)\u2014where it is\u00a0<em>possible<\/em>\u00a0to apply the one, it is possible to apply the other. Tell me, then, what is meant by burning Bishops, or Cardinals, or Popes in\u00a0<em>effigy<\/em>? has it no meaning? is it not plainly intended for an insult? Would any one who was burned in effigy feel it no insult? Well, then, how is it\u00a0<em>not<\/em>\u00a0absurd to feel pain at being dishonoured in effigy,\u00a0<em>yet<\/em>\u00a0absurd to feel pleasure at being honoured in effigy? How is it childish to honour an image, if it is not childish to dishonour it? This only can a Protestant say in defence of the act which he allows and practises, that he is used to it, whereas to the other he is not used. Honour is a new idea, it comes strange to him; and, wonderful to say, he does not see that he has admitted it in principle already, in admitting dishonour, and after preaching against the Catholic who crowns an image of the Madonna, he complacently goes his way, and sets light to a straw effigy of Guy Fawkes.<\/p>\n<p>But this is not all; Protestants actually set up images to represent their heroes, and they show them honour without any misgiving. The very flower and cream of Protestantism used to glory in the statue of King William on College Green, Dublin; and, though I cannot make any reference in print, I recollect well what a shriek they raised some years ago, when the figure was unhorsed. Some profane person one night applied gunpowder, and blew the king right out of his saddle; and he was found by those who took interest in him, like Dagon, on the ground. You might have thought the poor senseless block had life, to see the way people took on about it, and how they spoke of his face, and his arms, and his legs; yet those same Protestants, I say, would at the same time be horrified, had I used \u201che\u201d and \u201chim\u201d of a crucifix, and would call me one of the monsters described in the Apocalypse, did I but honour my living Lord as they their dead king.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800080;\">Related Reading<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/09\/early-protestant-antipathy-towards-art-iconoclasm.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Early Protestant Antipathy Towards Art (+ Iconoclasm)<\/a>\u00a0[1991]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/05\/veneration-images-iconoclasm-idolatry-exposition.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Veneration of Images, Iconoclasm, and Idolatry\u00a0(An Exposition)<\/a>\u00a0[11-15-02]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/09\/luther-on-crucifixes-images-sign-of-the-cross.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Martin Luther on Crucifixes, Images and Statues of Saints, and the Sign of the Cross<\/a>\u00a0[4-15-08]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/02\/bible-on-physical-objects-as-aids-in-worship.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Bible on Physical Objects as Aids in Worship\u00a0<\/a>[4-7-09]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/01\/calvin-zwingli-bullinger-vs-statues-christ-crucifixes-crosses.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Calvin, Zwingli, and Bullinger vs. Statues of Christ, Crucifixes, &amp; Crosses<\/a>\u00a0[9-19-09]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/03\/dialogue-w-calvinist-on-crucifixes-abominable-idols.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Crucifixes: Abominable Idols or Devotional Aids?<\/a>\u00a0[11-10-09]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/biblical-evidence-for-worship-of-god-via-an-image.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Biblical Evidence for Worship of God Via an Image<\/a>\u00a0[6-24-11]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/01\/the-bronze-serpent-example-of-proper-use-of-images.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">The Bronze Serpent: Example of Proper Use of Images<\/a>\u00a0[Feb. 2012]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/darmstrong\/how-protestant-nativity-scenes-proclaim-catholic-doctrine\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">How Protestant Nativity Scenes Proclaim Catholic Doctrine<\/a>\u00a0[12-15-13; expanded for publication at\u00a0<em>National Catholic Register<\/em>: 12-17-17]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/05\/biblical-idolatry-authentic-counterfeit-conceptions.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Biblical Idolatry: Authentic &amp; Counterfeit Conceptions<\/a>\u00a0[2015]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/newsflash-catholicism-utterly-opposes-idolatry-too.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Newsflash!: Catholicism Utterly Opposes Idolatry, Too<\/a>\u00a0[1-18-17]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/03\/armstrong-vs-geisler-9-images-relics.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cArmstrong vs. Geisler\u201d #9: Images &amp; Relics<\/a>\u00a0[3-2-17]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/12\/statues-relation-bowing-prayer-worship-scripture.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Statues in Relation to Bowing, Prayer, &amp; Worship in Scripture<\/a>\u00a0[12-26-17]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/01\/crucifixes-worship-images-new-biblical-arguments.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Crucifixes &amp; Worship Images: \u201cNew\u201d (?) Biblical Arguments<\/a>\u00a0[1-18-20]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo image:\u00a0<\/strong> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">St. Cardinal Newman in the 1860s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The following was taken from St. John Henry Cardinal Newman\u2019s book,\u00a0Lectures on the Present Position of Catholics in England\u00a0(1851; Lecture V [1. (2.)], pp. 180-181 in the 1918 edition: London: Longmans, Green and Co.). ***** (2.) Take again a very different subject. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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