{"id":46274,"date":"2020-04-08T11:28:32","date_gmt":"2020-04-08T15:28:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=46274"},"modified":"2020-04-08T11:28:32","modified_gmt":"2020-04-08T15:28:32","slug":"why-is-pope-francis-so-loved-by-theological-liberals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/04\/why-is-pope-francis-so-loved-by-theological-liberals.html","title":{"rendered":"Why is Pope Francis So Loved by Theological Liberals?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-46277\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/04\/Cover-555-x-832-131K.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"512\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">See <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/books-by-dave-armstrong-pope-francis.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">book and purchase information<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s because they are desperate for [one they <em>wrongly<\/em> believe to be] \u201cone of them\u201d to subvert and control the despised Catholic Church. They played this game with Pope St. John XXIII (who to this day is pretended to be a liberal) and (initially) Pope St. John Paul the Great also. Extreme wishful thinking and a twisting of the facts into their own agendas. . .<\/p>\n<p>I have pointed out that my \u201chero\u201d St. John Henry Cardinal Newman is also regularly lied about as supposedly being a liberal, 125 years after his death. The rumor was as ridiculous when he was alive as it is now, and was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/04\/was-cardinal-newman-a-modernist.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">shot down by none other than Pope St. Pius X<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Charmaine Hess wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Even Dave Armstrong admitted a few weeks ago that he would be in a crisis come October if things turn out in a bad way. I was surprised to see him say it (to even entertain the thought),<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yes \u201ceven\u201d Dave Armstrong did, and the fact that this surprises Charmaine so much is yet another evidence that she has little clue as to what I am about.\u00a0The difference between me and many others is that I <strong><em>wait<\/em> <\/strong>to see what actually happens at these synods, rather than spread mud and dirty laundry and rumors and hysterics all over the place for the world to see.<\/p>\n<p>I believe in faith that the Church will <strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong> change her moral teachings, because she <em>never <strong>has<\/strong><\/em> up till <em><strong>now<\/strong><\/em>. That was a major reason why I became a Catholic in 1990: her unique traditional moral teachings.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s why I said that if the unthinkable actually happened, I would be in crisis and would have to seriously rethink things. I don\u2019t <em>expect<\/em>\u00a0it to happen <em>at all<\/em> and am not worried about it day and night like so many of you because I trust that God knows what He is doing and is guiding His Church as always.<\/p>\n<p>I wrote about this question over a year ago in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/introduction-to-my-book-pope-francis.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Introduction<\/a> to my book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/books-by-dave-armstrong-pope-francis.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Pope Francis Explained<\/em><\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It seems that everyone wants to make the pope (like they often do with God Himself) into their own image. Those outside the Church do this in proportion to how \u201ccontra-Catholic\u201d or secular they are: up to and including atheists; as well as dissenting modernists and theological liberals within the Church (the \u201ccafeteria\u201d \/ pick and choose types).<\/p>\n<p>These all want him to be so-called \u201cprogressive\u201d and are more than willing to project this attribute onto him, in a huge campaign of wishful thinking, if in fact it is not there. This group includes (very much so) the media.<\/p>\n<p>They long and yearn and (except for the atheists) pray for the day when a truly \u201cenlightened\u201d pope will come around to bring the Church out of the \u201cDark Ages\u201d into our marvelously happy and fulfilled modern world: one who will fundamentally change things. This latter expectation, in turn, reveals their own fundamental ignorance about the role of the papacy and the scope of his power, as one who preserves tradition and dogma.<\/p>\n<p>On the other end of the scale, the radical Catholic reactionaries, on the extreme right on the Catholic ecclesiological spectrum and a hair\u2019s breadth away from schism, exaggerate new popes\u2019 differences (if any) from previous popes, and become needlessly alarmed that the Church is revising or transforming itself; going to pot because of the new \u201cliberal\u201d pope.<\/p>\n<p>Or, conversely, if they actually like the new pope (as they did, Pope Benedict XVI; as did also, mainstream \u201ctraditionalists\u201d), they do the same, but in an approving, rather than disapproving sense.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, we have a scenario whereby folks on both the \u201cleft\u201d and the \u201cright\u201d of the theological spectrum massively misinterpret what a new pope says and does. I aim to show both factions the errors and illusions of their ways.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>People complain about Pope Francis in numerous ways.\u00a0Me, I like variety. It\u2019s the spice of life. Pope St. John Paul II was the Philosopher, Benedict VXI, the Theologian, and Francis, the Pastor. I love all three things and all three brilliant men.<\/p>\n<p>I always say that the average pastor of an evangelical church (like the ones I used to attend) has far more day-to-day influence than popes do in Catholics\u2019 lives (in a <em>practical<\/em>\u00a0sense).\u00a0So if this pope stumbles someone, they should ignore him and wait till the next one.\u00a0What they should <strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong> do is spread their doubts and concerns all over Facebook. There is no need for that. If they must talk about it, I urge (and beg!) them to do it privately.<\/p>\n<p>The anti-Catholics are already having a field day mocking and laughing at us because of all the ridiculous in-fighting about the pope.\u00a0If I were still evangelical today, viewing all this stuff, I would have utterly despised it and would have said something like, \u201cGood grief! Catholics running down the <em>pope<\/em> day and night? Don\u2019t they understand how their own ecclesiology and protocol <em>work<\/em>?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I would have regarded it as the most absurd thing in the world. I had far more respect for popes as an evangelical than 90% of the [Catholic] people do, whom I observe running him down constantly.\u00a0But my conversion was never based on how <em>people<\/em>\u00a0behaved. I saw far more personal commitment to discipleship in evangelicalism than in Catholicism.<\/p>\n<p>That wasn\u2019t the basis (and never should be). I\u2019m here because I believe Catholicism to be <strong><em>true<\/em><\/strong> and the Catholic Church to be the one established by our Lord Jesus Christ.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">As to the pope\u2019s orthodoxy, in addition to my<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/04\/replies-to-critiques-of-pope-francis-dave-armstrong.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">169 defenses of him<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/07\/pope-francis-defended-helpful-resources-confused-troubled-frustrated-folks.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">348 by myself and others<\/a>, <span style=\"color: #000000;\">see in particular:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/01\/12-ways-that-pope-francis-is-pro.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Documentation: Pope Francis is Orthodox, Pro-Tradition and Against Modernism<\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">(Dan Marcum, Catholic Answers Forum, 1-9-15)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/01\/pope-francis-cardinal-newman-fresh-orthodox-presentations.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Pope Francis, Cardinal Newman, &amp; Fresh (Orthodox) Presentations\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(Dave Armstrong,\u00a0<em>Biblical Evidence for Catholicism<\/em>,\u00a01-29-18)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.markmallett.com\/blog\/2018\/04\/24\/pope-francis-on\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pope Francis On . . .<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[31 different issues]\u00a0(Mark Mallett,\u00a0<em>The Now Word<\/em>, 4-24-18)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(originally 2-21-15 on Facebook)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>See book and purchase information. *** It\u2019s because they are desperate for [one they wrongly believe to be] \u201cone of them\u201d to subvert and control the despised Catholic Church. They played this game with Pope St. John XXIII (who to this day is pretended to be a liberal) and (initially) Pope St. John Paul the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":46277,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[132,138],"tags":[898,2371,897,232,2720,137,604,3326,571,8041,570,156,3325,135],"class_list":["post-46274","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-liberal-modernist-theology","category-papacy-infallibility","tag-cafeteria-catholics","tag-catholic-dissent","tag-catholic-dissidents","tag-heresy","tag-heretics","tag-heterodoxy","tag-left-wing-catholics","tag-liberal-catholics","tag-modernism","tag-nominal-catholics","tag-orthodoxy","tag-pope-francis","tag-progressive-catholics","tag-theological-liberalism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Why is Pope Francis So Loved by Theological Liberals?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"It&#039;s because they are desperate for [one they wrongly believe to be] &quot;one of them&quot; to subvert and control the despised Catholic Church. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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