{"id":4648,"date":"2015-11-17T13:55:51","date_gmt":"2015-11-17T17:55:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=4648"},"modified":"2017-06-03T12:59:22","modified_gmt":"2017-06-03T16:59:22","slug":"biblical-argumentation-same-as-sola-scriptura","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/biblical-argumentation-same-as-sola-scriptura.html","title":{"rendered":"Biblical Argumentation: Same as &#8220;Sola Scriptura&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div style=\"text-align: center;\">Sub-Title:\u00a0<strong>Development of Doctrine, Tradition, <em>Sola Scriptura<\/em>, and Implicit vs. Explicit Biblical Proofs (The Papacy as a Test Case)<\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/11\/BIble2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-4649 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/11\/BIble2.jpg\" alt=\"BIble2\" width=\"640\" height=\"400\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Holybible.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a> \/<span style=\"color: #252525;\">\u00a0<\/span><a class=\"extiw decorated-link\" style=\"color: #663366;\" title=\"w:en:Creative Commons\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/en:Creative_Commons\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Creative Commons<\/a><span style=\"color: #252525;\">\u00a0<\/span><a class=\"external text decorated-link\" style=\"color: #663366;\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/3.0\/deed.en\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported<\/a><span style=\"color: #252525;\">\u00a0license]<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n***<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p>[7 October 2003]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>I would argue that the office of the papacy is explicitly indicated in the Bible itself. Everything we need to establish the papacy in all essentials is in the Bible.<span class=\"fullpost\">\u00a0The papacy is explicit in the same way that the Trinity is explicit: there are solid proofs in the Bible, yet these would not be fully-understood or worked-out in all detail for hundreds of years. No one can deny this.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>All the\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">essentials\u00a0<\/span>(Petrine primacy, jurisdiction, relation to other bishops, Rock, the keys, etc.) are all\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">directly mentioned<\/span>. They don\u2019t even need to be\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">deduced<\/span>, whereas many elements even of trinitarian doctrine are not stated outright and need to be deduced. We wouldn\u2019t expect them to be spelled out in particularistic detail.<\/p>\n<p>There is a ton of deductive material indicating the Trinity and many direct proofs also \u2013 much more overall than for the papacy -, yet I think the types of evidence are not qualitatively different in both cases.<\/p>\n<p>For a doctrine such as, for example, the Assumption of Mary, on the other hand, I would say that the biblical evidence is deductive-only, and even then not exegetically obvious, even in an indirect sense, as I think the papacy and the Trinity both are.<\/p>\n<p>I think one can make a cogent biblical argument for Mary\u2019s Assumption (at least an analogical one, and a demonstration \u2013 at the<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0very<\/span>\u00a0least \u2013 that it is not\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">contradictory\u00a0<\/span>to anything in the Bible, as is often claimed), but it is relatively weak (especially in Protestant eyes) compared to that for other Catholic doctrines. I think the biblical case for the papacy is quite\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">strong<\/span>, relative to the case for other Catholic distinctives. And this is the specialty of my apologetics, as you probably know . . .<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, one needs to distinguish between the \u201coffice of the papacy\u201d being \u201cexplicitly indicated in the Bible itself\u201d and every aspect and later development of it being explicitly indicated. To say that the\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">office<\/span>\u00a0and the<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0essence<\/span>\u00a0of a thing is explicitly indicated is not to say that the later development in all its aspects is indicated (certainly not in its 1870 form \u2013 which was, incidentally, prefigured in almost all respects at least as early as St. Francis de Sales in 1596).<\/p>\n<p>I always agree with Cardinal Newman (at least so far); my view in matters of development will not differ in any serious way from his. He is the Catholic thinker I admire the most. The doctrine develops, and understanding of it develops, in any case.<\/p>\n<p>If obedience to the pope (or Peter, as the universal bishop with supreme authority and the final say) is taught there [in Scripture] (the keys, the Rock, binding and loosing, etc.), then it\u2019s there (a = a). It is as foolish to make out that something fundamentally changed (as opposed to developed) in this regard in the 11th century as to make out that something changed fundamentally in 100 AD (after the apostles died) or 313 (Constantine and the state establishment of Christianity) or 461 (after Pope St. Leo the Great\u2019s reign) or in 604 (after Pope St. Gregory the Great\u2019s reign), or after 1054 (when subsequent previously-necessary ecumenical councils mysteriously ceased to exist, so the Orthodox tell us). People make all these arguments (and quite often), but they are all equally groundless and arbitrary.<\/p>\n<p>The Church is what it is, guided and protected by the Holy Spirit, and nothing essential changes in one day or one year (despite all the human corruption that should surprise no one at all). To think otherwise is to engage in rationalistic post-Enlightenment, theologically-liberal-influenced historiography, not a view of Church history rooted in Christian faith and a Christian intellectual worldview, grounded in the Bible itself (which teaches divine protection from error: Jn 16:13, and indefectibility: Mt 16:18, Jude 3, etc.).<\/p>\n<p>This sort of critique against the Catholic view on Church history is little different in spirit or content than theologically-liberal theologians and historians going after Christian history (including Protestant and Orthodox history also).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"fullpost\">Some Protestants deny that all the\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">essential aspects<\/span>\u00a0of the papacy are in the Bible at all. That is what I object to. The essence of the papacy is all in the Bible, or \u201cfull-blown\u201d there. It would be ridiculous to be saying that it was \u201cfull-blown\u201d in the sense of the 1870 definition. For that would involve the following contradiction:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"fullpost\">1. The papacy in the Bible was taught as explicitly and was as fully developed as the 1870<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0ex cathedra<\/span>\u00a0definition of papal infallibility.<\/span><br>\n<span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\n<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">2. The papacy developed for over 1800 years till it was fully and explicitly defined in the 1870\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">ex cathedra<\/span>\u00a0definition of papal infallibility.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\nInfallibility (or, we might say, the \u201cnon-negotiability of true doctrine\u201d) itself is a biblical concept: \u201cthe gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church,\u201d \u201cthe Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth,\u201d etc. It is presupposed in the notion of one apostolic deposit (Acts 2:42, Jude 3) and Paul\u2019s \u201ctradition\u201d that he repeatedly urges his churches to maintain or keep. The Jerusalem Council issued its decree and any straightforward reading would lead a person to believe that it was considered binding and therefore infallible. The Council Fathers even appealed to the Holy Spirit, almost exactly as Catholics would say that ecumenical councils are guided by the Holy Spirit (Acts 15:28; cf. 15:25).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, particular aspects of infallibility (exactly when and how it applies, and its application to Councils and popes) is what developed throughout history. So again, I would say that the essential notion was clearly expressed in the Bible (even casually assumed, I would argue, in a broader sense).<\/p>\n<p>Whether something can be \u201cproven\u201d by the Bible alone and whether it developed throughout history are two distinctly different questions to resolve. I was simultaneously doing two things: arguing that all the essentials are in the Bible, and that the papacy both developed and was not fully understood until after many centuries of development. To be established from the Bible alone is not a requirement in Catholic thinking, because we don\u2019t believe in<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0sola Scriptura<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p>In this instance, I happen to believe that the papacy can be so demonstrated from the biblical data in its essence. What Cardinal Newman believed on this exact point in 1845 is not totally clear to me. But his\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Essay on Development<\/span>\u00a0was a strictly historical, not exegetical work.<\/p>\n<p>We would not expect Cardinal Newman to believe in explicit biblical proofs for the papacy in 1845, when he first wrote his\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Essay on Development<\/span>, since he was still an Anglican when he wrote it (though he converted right afterwards). This is yet more proof that he wasn\u2019t trying to defend something he already believed, and to force history to conform to it. To the contrary, he was looking at history, and in so doing, became convinced that the Catholic perspective on Church history was more consistent with the facts than the Anglican Via Media.<\/p>\n<p>But we learn more about what he thought about the biblical evidence for the papacy after his conversion, in a sermon from October 7, 1866, preached in Church of the Oratory in Birmingham, England. It is recorded in his\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Sermons Preached on Various Occasions<\/span>\u00a0(1874), as Sermon 15,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.newmanreader.org\/works\/occasions\/sermon15.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cThe Pope and the Revolution,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0pp. 281-316. I shall cite portions particularly\u00a0related to the Bible:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"fullpost\">\u201cAnd I say to thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.\u201d Matt. xvi. 18, 19.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span class=\"fullpost\">. . . He speaks of Himself in the Apocalypse as \u201cHim who is the Holy {283} and the True, Him that hath the key of David (the key, that is, of the chosen king of the chosen people), Him that openeth and no man shutteth, that shutteth and no man openeth.\u201d And what our Lord, the Supreme Judge, is in heaven, that was St. Peter on earth; he had those keys of the kingdom, according to the text, \u201cThou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.\u201d<\/span><br>\n<span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\n<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">Next, let it be considered, that kingdom, which our Lord set up with St. Peter at its head, was decreed in the counsels of God to last to the end of all things, according to the words I have just quoted, \u201cThe gates of hell shall not prevail against it.\u201d And again, \u201cBehold, I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.\u201d And in the words of the prophet Isaias, speaking of that divinely established Church, then in the future, \u201cThis is My covenant with them, My Spirit that is in thee, and My words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed\u2019s seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.\u201d And the prophet Daniel says, \u201cThe God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed . . . and it shall break in pieces and shall consume all those kingdoms (of the earth, which went before it), and itself shall stand for ever.\u201d<\/span><br>\n<span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\n<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">That kingdom our Lord set up when He came on {284} earth, and especially after His resurrection; for we are told by St. Luke that this was His gracious employment, when He visited the Apostles from time to time, during the forty days which intervened between Easter Day and the day of His Ascension. \u201cHe showed Himself alive to the Apostles,\u201d says the Evangelist, \u201cafter His passion by many proofs, for forty days appearing to them and speaking of the kingdom of God.\u201d And accordingly, when at length He had ascended on high, and had sent down \u201cthe promise of His Father,\u201d the Holy Ghost, upon His Apostles, they forthwith entered upon their high duties, and brought that kingdom or Church into shape, and supplied it with members, and enlarged it, and carried it into all lands. As to St. Peter, he acted as the head of the Church, according to the previous words of Christ; and, still according to his Lord\u2019s supreme will, he at length placed himself in the See of Rome, where he was martyred.<\/span><br>\n<span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\n<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">And what was then done, in its substance cannot be undone. \u201cGod is not as a man that He should lie, nor as the son of man, that He should change. Hath He said then, and shall He not do? hath He spoken, and will He not fulfil?\u201d And, as St. Paul says, \u201cthe gifts and the calling of God are without repentance.\u201d His Church then, in all necessary matters, is as unchangeable as He. Its framework, its polity, its ranks, its offices, its creed, its privileges, the promises made to it, its fortunes in the world, are ever what they have been.<\/span><br>\n<span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\n<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">Therefore, as it was in the world, but not of the world, in the Apostles\u2019 time, so it is now: \u2013 as it was \u201cin honour and dishonour, in evil report and good {285} report, as chastised but not killed, as having nothing and possessing all things,\u201d in the Apostles\u2019 times, so it is now: \u2013 as then it taught the truth, so it does now; as then it had the sacraments of grace, so has it now; as then it had a hierarchy or holy government of Bishops, priests, and deacons, so has it now; and as it had a Head then, so must it have a head now. Who is that visible Head now? who is now the vicar of Christ? who has now the keys of the kingdom of heaven, as St. Peter had then? Who is it now who binds and looses on earth, that our Lord may bind and loose in heaven? Who, I say, if a successor to St. Peter there must be, who is that successor in his sovereign authority over the Church? It is he who sits in St. Peter\u2019s chair: it is the Bishop of Rome. We all know this; it is part of our faith; I am not proving it to you, my Brethren. The visible headship of the Church, which was with St. Peter while he lived, has been lodged ever since in his Chair: the successors in his headship are the successors in his Chair, that continuous line of Bishops of Rome, or Popes, as they are called, one after another, as years have rolled on, one dying and another coming, down to this day, when we see Pius the Ninth sustaining the weight of the glorious Apostolate, . . .<\/span><br>\n<span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\n<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">{286} . . . like St. Peter, he is the Vicar of his Lord. He can judge, and he can acquit; he can pardon, and he can condemn; he can command and he can permit; he can forbid, and he can punish. He has a Supreme jurisdiction over the people of God. . . . we must never murmur at that absolute rule which the Sovereign Pontiff has over us, because it is given to him by Christ, and, in obeying him, we are obeying his Lord. We must never suffer ourselves to doubt, that, in his government of the Church, he is guided by an intelligence more than human. His yoke is the yoke of Christ, he has the responsibility of his own acts, not we; and to his Lord must he render account, not to us.<\/span><br>\n<span class=\"fullpost\"><br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"fullpost\">His previous Anglican views, as of 1842, can be seen in his Sermon 17,<a href=\"http:\/\/www.newmanreader.org\/works\/parochial\/volume7\/sermon17.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u00a0\u201cThe Unity of the Church,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0from\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Parochial and Plain Sermons<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I believe, and Cardinal Newman believes, that all doctrines develop. Whether they are explicit with massive indications in the Bible (e.g., the deity of Christ or salvation by grace alone) or only indirectly deduced (Mary\u2019s Assumption), or derived from much direct implicit evidence (e.g., original sin), or just a few very explicit verses (e.g., the Virgin Birth) is a somewhat subjective question, on which good men in good faith can differ. But it is a separate question from subsequent development. The Newman of 1866 argues largely from a point of view that I hold myself (in some respects he even brings\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">more<\/span>\u00a0biblical indications to the table). He probably didn\u2019t believe those things in 1845. In any event, the two arguments exist side-by-side and there is no inconsistency whatsoever in my argument. It\u2019s subtle and a bit complex, but it is coherent and consistent.<\/p>\n<p>Cardinal Newman was simply trying to show that the papacy developed like other doctrines, and that the principles of development were the same for all true doctrines.<\/p>\n<p>Oftentimes in these sorts of semantic discussions, the entire problem turns upon various definitions.<\/p>\n<p>In any event, I am\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">not<\/span>\u00a0arguing from a<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0sola Scriptura<\/span>\u00a0position. It may seem at times like I am, because my emphasis is on biblical evidence, but that doesn\u2019t mean that I ever adopt<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0sola<\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0Scriptura<\/span>\u00a0\u2014 not for a moment. I have opposed that position more than any other Protestant doctrine, in my writings.<\/p>\n<p>The largest paper on my website was my recent dialogue on whether the Fathers believed in\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">sola Scriptura<\/span>. Of course they did not, and I believe that I conclusively demonstrated this, in the case of ten Fathers. When I argue from Scripture, I am being very \u201cpatristic\u201d (like, e.g., St. Athanasius \u2013 see below). But \u2013 also like the Fathers -, my \u201cfinal court of appeal\u201d is to Tradition and Holy Mother Church.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, note that St. Vincent writes: \u201cthe canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient.\u201d This seems to me to be the notion of\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">material sufficiency<\/span>\u00a0of Scripture, which is precisely the ground on which I am arguing (and Cardinal Newman agrees with this as well).<\/p>\n<p>So the papacy is in the Bible, just like all other doctrines. At the same time, it developed (also like all other doctrines) and needed to be better applied and understood with the passage of time. And the Church\u2019s interpretation was decisive, rather than the mere Bible text alone (formal sufficiency) That is my position, and it is Newman\u2019s and St. Vincent\u2019s (whose thought he took as his starting-point when he turned his attention to development of doctrine).<\/p>\n<p>My overall viewpoint on the relationship of Scripture to Tradition was carefully expressed in the Introduction to my first book,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-biblical.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"font-style: italic;\">A Biblical Defense of Catholicism<\/span><\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The present work endeavors to show that Catholicism can more than hold its own with regard to the evidence of the Bible, as it relates to distinctive doctrines which are considered unbiblical or even anti-biblical by many evangelical Protestants . . .<\/p>\n<p>. . . The more I studied Catholic apologetic works (many of which were older books obtained at used bookstores), the more I realized what a wealth of biblical material existed in favor of Catholic positions on a number of \u201ccontroversial\u201d doctrines.<\/p>\n<p>I was continually amazed at the depth and solidity of these arguments, and pleasantly surprised that the Bible, which I had loved and studied intensely for ten years, could so confidently be utilized as a bulwark in defense of the Catholic faith. Catholicism, rightly understood, is \u2013 I believe strongly \u2013 an eminently and thoroughly biblical belief system.<\/p>\n<p>. . . Time and time again, I discovered that Catholicism is altogether consistent with biblical teaching. Many claim that distinctive Catholic beliefs are simply not found in Scripture. Often, however, those who present this charge have little or no understanding of the notion of the development of doctrine, implicit biblical evidence, or the complementary (and biblically-based) roles of Tradition and the Church. All of these factors and other related ones will be examined in this work.<\/p>\n<p>Catholics need only to show the harmony of a doctrine with Holy Scripture. It is not our view that every tenet of the Christian faith must appear whole, explicit, and often, in the pages of the Bible. We also acknowledge Sacred Tradition, the authority of the Church, and the development of understanding of essentially unchanging Christian truths, as is to be expected with a living organism (the Body of Christ) guided by the Holy Spirit. A belief implicitly biblical is not necessarily anti-biblical or unbiblical. But we maintain that the Protestant principle of<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0sola Scriptura<\/span>, on the other hand, is incoherent and \u2013 I dare say \u2013 quite unbiblical.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, many doctrines accepted by Protestants are either not found in the Bible at all (for example,\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">sola Scriptura<\/span>\u00a0and the Canon of Scripture), are based on only a very few direct passages (for example, the Virgin Birth), or are indirectly deduced from many implicit passages (for example, the Trinity, the Two Natures of Jesus, many attributes of God such as His omnipresence and omniscience).<\/p>\n<p>. . . Far from having to force the Scripture to conform to Catholic teaching, or to equivocate, or to rationalize away glaring contradictions, I\u2019ve found that \u2013 invariably and delightfully \u2013 the converse is true: Catholicism is indeed the round peg, so to speak, that naturally fits into the round hole of Scripture. I have not undergone any torments of conscience or \u201cintellectual suicide\u201d in this endeavor, and I am more confident than ever that the Catholic Church is the \u201cBible Church\u201d par excellence.<\/p>\n<p>. . . The non-Catholic can \u2013 after grappling with facts and arguments such as those presented herein \u2013 eventually recognize that Catholics are able to put forth a very strong biblical case for their beliefs.<\/p>\n<p>. . . It is not my intention to minimize the importance of Tradition, Councils, papal pronouncements, and suchlike, at all. Rather, I seek to exhibit as many of the biblical evidences as can be brought to bear on any particular distinctively Catholic doctrine (at least all that I\u2019ve personally found \u2013 certainly more exist).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That was written sometime before May 1996 (when I completed my book). I clarified my view of this relationship in much greater depth and detail (developed, but with the same essence!!!) seven years later, in a dialogue in June 2003 on this board: \u201cThe Sufficiency of Scripture and the Church Fathers (Particularly, St. Athanasius and the Trinity)\u201d:<\/p>\n<p>We claim that apostolic Tradition is necessary along with Sacred Scripture. This was the patristic principle, and how they invariably fought the heretics. The biblical arguments provided the \u201cmeat\u201d of their arguments, but in the end they would appeal to the Tradition of \u201cwhat had always been believed everywhere by everyone\u201d (St. Vincent of Lerin\u2019s dictum \u2013 the\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Commonitorium<\/span>\u00a0. . .<\/p>\n<p>. . . Tradition must play the decisive role in such situations by asserting \u201cthis is what orthodox Christianity holds.\u201d Hence, the need for creeds (and confessions, in the Protestant traditions, ostensibly based on Scripture Alone and some semblance of orthodoxy-throughout-history, even though operating on a different formal principle than Catholicism or Orthodoxy).<\/p>\n<p>. . . Material sufficiency is believed in by everyone that I know. This is why there are several books now which defend Catholicism from the Bible, such as my own first book . . . This does not imply an advocacy of\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">formal<\/span>\u00a0sufficiency; only\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">material<\/span>\u00a0sufficiency and a belief that Catholic doctrines are as well or more grounded in Scripture than Protestant ones. It is, in effect, Catholics, saying, \u201cyou want to argue doctrines based on the standard of Bible Alone? We can match you there as well. We aren\u2019t afraid to subject our views to the most intense biblical scrutiny and exegesis.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>. . . Entire books are written about the Fathers\u2019 supposed belief in\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">sola Scriptura<\/span>, when in fact they are merely expressing their belief in material sufficiency of Scripture, and its inspiration and sufficiency to refute heretics and false doctrine generally. It is easy to misleadingly present them as\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">sola Scripturists<\/span>\u00a0if their statements elsewhere about apostolic Tradition or succession and the binding authority of the Church (especially in council) are ignored. But a half-truth is almost as bad as an untruth (arguably worse, because in most instances the one committing it should know better).<\/p>\n<p>. . . I think one could definitely argue that trinitarianism is not crystal-clear and explicit in Scripture. This follows from the historical fact that trinitarianism in all its Chalcedonian fullness was the end-result of a process that took over 400 years. That is not insignificant.<\/p>\n<p>. . . If Chalcedonian trinitarianism and the Two Natures of Christ, etc. were explicitly biblical notions then the theology of same would have been fully-developed by maybe 150-200 A.D. (?) or perhaps even earlier.<\/p>\n<p>But is Scripture sufficient to refute Arianism on its own (which is a different question)? I think so, . . .<\/p>\n<p>. . . Nevertheless, I think it is also true that if a person was in a hypothetical situation where they knew absolutely nothing of Church history, Christian theology, and precedent in how these doctrines were and are thought about and derived from Scripture, and was tossed a Bible, that modalism (aka Sabellianism) and Arianism might seem as \u201cplausible\u201d to them as trinitarianism seemed. After all, the Trinity is not an easily-grasped doctrine, and it is not immediately accessible to human reason. It is a revelation and mystery which must ultimately be accepted in faith (not to undermine its scriptural proofs).<\/p>\n<p>So, while wholeheartedly agreeing with you that the case can be made by Scripture, I think we fool ourselves if we don\u2019t recognize the role of Tradition and precedent as a strong influencing factor in how we all think. Most of us have grown up in cultures and\/or households where trinitarianism and the Deity of Christ was taken for granted. It was the air we breathed.<\/p>\n<p>But if one grew up in a secular context or was completely ignorant of historic theology, sure, I could see how they could grab a Bible and conclude that it taught Arianism or modalism (which is quite a bit more subtle). Of course, I agree that this would be an opinion based in ignorance of the totality of Scripture teaching and proper exegesis and hermeneutics and lack of understanding of difficult passages where commentary is most helpful. But one could still do it.<\/p>\n<p>. . . As I have stated repeatedly, binding Church authority, is a practical necessity, given the propensity of men to pervert the true apostolic Tradition as taught in Scripture, whether it is perspicuous or not. The fact remains that diverse interpretations arise, and a final authority outside of Scripture itself is needed in order to resolve those controversies. This does not imply in the least that Scripture itself (rightly understood) is not sufficient to overcome the errors. It is only formally insufficient by itself.<\/p>\n<p>. . . I write entire books and huge papers in the same fashion [quoting all or mostly Scripture, as St. Athanasius did \u2013 so my opponent argued]. It doesn\u2019t mean for a second that I don\u2019t respect the binding authority of the Catholic Church or espouse\u00a0<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">sola Scriptura<\/span>\u00a0. . . Making such arguments, doing exegesis, extolling the Bible, reading the Bible, discussing it, praising it, etc., etc., etc., are all well and good (and Catholics agree wholeheartedly); none of these things, however, reduce to or logically necessitate adoption of<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">\u00a0sola Scriptura<\/span>\u00a0as a formal principle, hard as that is for some people to grasp.<\/p>\n<p>. . . I have shown, I think, that St. Athanasius did not deny the Catholic three-legged stool, and I recognize in his approach exactly that of the Catholic approach today and throughout history. 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