{"id":47218,"date":"2020-05-03T11:53:26","date_gmt":"2020-05-03T15:53:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=47218"},"modified":"2020-05-03T11:53:26","modified_gmt":"2020-05-03T15:53:26","slug":"war-garbage-free-facebook-zone-your-search-is-over","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/05\/war-garbage-free-facebook-zone-your-search-is-over.html","title":{"rendered":"War- &#038; Garbage-Free Facebook Zone (Your Search is Over)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-47221\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/05\/Brawl2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"445\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">This is a compilation of five Facebook posts: originally written between March 2014 and May 2015. I have retained the original title for each, with the date.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><em>War-Free and Garbage-Free Facebook Zone (Your Search is Over)<\/em> [3-5-14]<\/p>\n<p>Isn\u2019t it nice to be on a page where you know that the usual online nonsense will not be tolerated? I block habitual pope-, <em>Novus Ordo<\/em> Mass- and Vatican II-bashers, and I have a zero tolerance policy towards personal insults directed at others (of whatever beliefs: that is irrelevant).<\/p>\n<p>If you want to do that, go somewhere else. If you want to insult, and keep doing it after two warnings, you\u2019re history. I don\u2019t care if you had a bad hair day, was yelled at by your spouse, was given a dirty look by your son, or if your toilet got jammed up. Either rectify such things pronto (no one\u2019s perfect; we understand that), or you\u2019re outta here.<\/p>\n<p>I was a moderator of the Coming Home Network forum for three years, so I actually did that partially for a living. I know how to moderate and to treat both sides of a dispute with fairness. I\u2019ve been able to offer a congenial, friendly, amiable atmosphere here for over three years: no problem. It\u2019s altogether possible, just as we did it at Coming Home, with the same zero tolerance policy regarding insulting rhetoric.<\/p>\n<p>Some may think it is cruel, etc., to ban people fairly quickly, but unfortunately, it is virtually necessary if you want to have a page where adult discussions can take place minus all the hostility and acrimony that is so common.<\/p>\n<p>My concern is with the people who come here regularly and seek to learn some theology and apologetics. It\u2019s out of consideration for <em><strong>them<\/strong><\/em> that I have a strict policy. It\u2019s a loving act towards them (if I\u2019m accused of being \u201cunloving\u201d to those I ban): so that they can be free from the garbage.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s been happening here for over three years: a place where you don\u2019t have to worry about trollers, conspiratorial extremists, loudmouths, know-it-alls, and fools who aren\u2019t interested in open, honest discussion or in applying rudimentary Christian ethics to other human beings. St. Paul talks repeatedly about refusing to engage in foolish conversations and stupid controversies, and about avoiding contentious, divisive people. It\u2019s all completely biblical.<\/p>\n<p>Everyone complains about how bad Internet communication is. It\u2019s about time some of us started <em>doing<\/em> something about it. Don\u2019t allow all the fights and silliness on your page!<\/p>\n<p>Thanks to all my readers: especially the 5500+ regulars, who have made this page what it is. I wouldn\u2019t trade you for any other group of people online. You\u2019re the best!<\/p>\n<p>[original combox]<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, I am passionately in favor of free speech and a free exchange of ideas. <em>But<\/em> it has to be done with civility and in a dialogical way: not the lectures and trolling tactics of many who love to hear themselves speak (write), but aren\u2019t too crazy about listening to anyone else with a different view.<\/p>\n<p>I can spot the person who doesn\u2019t want to dialogue: only wants to preach or lecture, a thousand miles away, from my 33 years of apologetics experience. This is partly why I am able to moderate efficiently and get rid of the folks who want to do that and ruin it for everyone else.<\/p>\n<p>Bye [Name] (just bashed the ordinary form Mass and Vatican II on this thread, and said that I \u201cdwell in darkness\u201d). Your request to be removed from my friends\u2019 list is granted.\u00a0That\u2019s one advantage of posts like this. It brings out the extremists, like cockroaches out from under a rock, so they can be removed. May God bless you in all things, [Name].<\/p>\n<p>Any other quasi-schismatics or anti-Catholics or radical Catholic reactionaries or conspiracy nuts wanna come out from under your rock and take your last potshot and tell me I\u2019m going to hell before you are blocked?<\/p>\n<p>People of those views <em>don\u2019t<\/em> feel comfortable here, because they know that I have zero tolerance for crap and lies, and that those lies are refuted here and in my books and on my blog.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t allow truly bad language, either. The occasional \u201cmild\u201d word is fine, but not the more vulgar or obscene words. And I don\u2019t care what our sewer-culture thinks about that. I reject the coarseness that is now the norm in our society.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>A Typical Example of the Sort of\u00a0 \u201cExchange of Ideas\u201d that is so Prevalent Today <\/em>[7-2-14]<\/p>\n<p>This is a textbook \/ classic example of the fashionable \u201cPC\u201d mentality, whereby everything is relative and personal; hence, every disagreement is perceived as an intolerant attack. It came in the discussion under a very popular meme I put up yesterday, about \u201cjudging\u201d (and it is totally public, and this woman voluntarily commented, so it\u2019s not wrong to quote this).<\/p>\n<p>She softened at the end, so I don\u2019t want to be too hard on her, but still, the beginning portion was quite frustrating, and the dynamic there is a very common occurrence these days [her words in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>]:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Just don\u2019t [judge] at all; we have no right. Only God can do that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Not true. We can judge and discern on a lesser level [than God does], because we are commanded to do so in the Bible.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Maybe you can; I can\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s cuz I order my life by what the Bible says.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If you don\u2019t like what I think, don\u2019t read it, but please leave me alone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Great. Be well and God bless you. Thanks for stopping by.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">What wrong with this guy? All I said was, I don\u2019t believe that way, and didn\u2019t want any more emails. I didn\u2019t mean to hurt his feelings; sorry.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>1) Nothing is wrong with me, thank you. 2) You said \u201cleave me alone,\u201d which is an odd way to reply to my reply to your public comment on my public post (which you would receive in e-mail, according to the usual Facebook routine). Most people would assume that the person who made the post would reply back. 3) My feelings are perfectly intact (but thanks for your concern). As an apologist, if I didn\u2019t have a very thick skin after 33 years of discussions with all kinds of viewpoints, I wouldn\u2019t be in this business. I don\u2019t get my feelings hurt due to mere disagreements. Maybe many others do these days, but not me.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I thought I had you blocked . That\u2019s okay; let\u2019s just be friends. Just because we don\u2019t think alike, we don\u2019t have to be mean. I was just saying what I believe. We can\u2019t all be the same. I believe in forgiveness.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>So you didn\u2019t block me and now we can be good buddies! Excellent! I have no problems on my end getting along with folks who disagree with me.<\/p>\n<p>[original combox]<\/p>\n<p>I dared to disagree, so that automatically makes me Attila the Hun and an Abuser of Women!<\/p>\n<p>. . . extremely common today. This is the world we live in: folks can hardly string two rational thoughts together.<\/p>\n<p>The great irony here is that if you think all truth is relative, then there is no basis for getting all on your ear about someone disagreeing with you. That makes no sense. If one really believes that, then all opinions are precisely of the same value\u00a0(all equally valid); therefore, no one who thinks in this way can possibly get angry about a different opinion.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s the double standard that inevitably occurs, and it betrays the fact that these folks really <em>do<\/em> believe some things are true and others false (<em>Their<\/em> [liberal] views are the true ones, and those who disagree are false; and hence, of course, also \u201chaters\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s hopelessly incoherent and annoying. And there is nothing we can do about it except have a bunch of kids, raise them as disciples, and transform the world through demographics.<\/p>\n<p>Muslims still have lots o\u2019 kids; this is why they are on the ascendancy in world affairs and Christian influence is rapidly declining. We stopped having children.\u00a0Pope St. Paul VI is the prophet yet again . . .<\/p>\n<p><em>Alex Cordry<\/em>: Wait, I\u2019m lost. [Name] didn\u2019t like what you had to say so she commented but if you don\u2019t like what she has to say, leave her alone?<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, now you get it, Alex. I\u2019m supposed to just shut up; listen to a different opinion, but say nothing in return, under pain of being a stalker and verbal abuser.\u00a0Welcome to the modern world of \u201cdiscourse.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If she is coming around now to what I would call \u201ctrue tolerance\u201d it still illustrates the point I am trying to make by presenting this example: that that is the way to go and not all the subjective mush that we see so often, where no one can disagree without the inevitable \u201cnegativity\u201d comin\u2019 out somehow.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes comments from another view can rightly be considered \u201ctrolling\u201d so there are some fine lines. I allow most people to talk freely on this page (though I disallow bashing the pope, the New Mass, and Vatican II here), but there are some who are\u00a0clearly trolling, and I don\u2019t allow that.<\/p>\n<p>It has to do with a lack of respect for the venue you are in. So there are some issues like that, but in many cases it is just shutting down what cannot be answered, too.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>Bad Online Behavior: No Excuses in the Final Analysis<\/em>\u00a0[7-9-14]<\/p>\n<p>Someone noted that people are generally a lot nicer in person than they are online. This was my response (with quite a bit added presently):<\/p>\n<p>If a person habitually acts like an ass online, it\u2019s still the same person who exists offline who chooses to do that, when it is totally unnecessary and wrong. They\u2019re either \u201cacting\u201d online (passive-aggressive, gossipy, slanderous, rude, juvenile garbage) or acting when they are \u201cnice\u201d in person. Something is fishy there. Otherwise, they would act with normal Christian charity whether online or in \u201creal life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In other words, they are not two people, but one, who chooses to act differently (usually much worse) when online. Ethics and morality don\u2019t change according to venue or environment. They are what they are.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, some folks simply have an uncontrolled tongue or a hot temper, or a tendency to run others down, for various possible reasons (besetting sins), and that comes out online as well as offline. I do agree that those sorts of faults get <em>magnified<\/em>\u00a0online, but such behavior can\u2019t be blamed <em>solely<\/em>\u00a0on lack of body language, inflection, tone, and all the rest, that has been noted hundreds of times.<\/p>\n<p>People act in self-interested fashion. So, we have more to lose in person and we shape up. But online, many folks seem to feel that they can act like idiots and \u201cget away\u201d with it: almost like a know-it-all rebellious college kid out of town on one of the pathetic \u201cbreaks\u201d: where he or she feels that they can do any outrageous behavior and not be noticed by anyone they know. No boundaries or responsibilities . . .<\/p>\n<p><em>That\u2019s<\/em> how (sadly) too many people act online. I contend that this is the real person coming out (due to less social pressure to \u201cbehave\u201d), and that we stand accountable for all the words we say (or type).<\/p>\n<p>In the end, we are responsible for what we do; how we act. Does anyone think it will matter a hill of beans to God on Judgment Day whether our sins were committed via Internet writing or in vocal words in person? St. James\u2019 and St. Paul\u2019s and Jesus\u2019 warnings about the tongue and lack of charity apply here as much as anywhere else.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, I\u2019ve always, from the beginning of my online participation (1996) insisted that folks should act exactly the same here as they would in real life (like a Christian!), and cease with the games, the anonymity (with the allied silliness of nicknames), the one-upsmanship, being the big shot of a forum or venue, the cliques, the disposable friendships, the endless vanity and pretensions of self-importance, factions, divisions, and \u201cgroupthink\u201d \u2014 and all the other nonsense. But of course, all of that reflects real life, too.<\/p>\n<p>My conclusion is: folks are online what they are \u201cin real life\u201d: even if the \u201creal life\u201d persona may be primarily hidden in their hearts, and is not outwardly observed. What comes out of our \u201cmouths\u201d [or, keyboards] proceeds from the heart, after all, and the bad tree produces bad fruit, etc. (Sermon on the Mount stuff). We are all in need of God\u2019s grace on a continual basis (primarily from the sacraments) in order to be and act as God would have us to be.<\/p>\n<p>[original combox]<\/p>\n<p>Most people <em>think<\/em>\u00a0I\u2019m a lot nicer when they meet me because they project all sorts of supposed stern, \u201cmean\u201d attitudes to apologetics writing. It\u2019s sort of an occupational hazard that unfortunately can\u2019t be avoided.\u00a0So you will (almost certainly) think \u201che\u2019s a lot nicer and more charming in person\u201d (LOL!) when in fact I am the same me all the time! It\u2019s just that here I am writing about serious stuff and having to correct errors and a lot of people don\u2019t like that and become offended.<\/p>\n<p>Here are three interesting comments about me from the Coming Home Network Forum, where I used to work. The first person has never met me (but supports my work). The second and third (one a fellow moderator there) have met me:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I always thought that Dave\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/photo.php?fbid=177988878902772&amp;set=a.177988775569449&amp;type=3&amp;theater\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">picture on his website, with the black leather jacket<\/a> and all, made him look kinda scary. [male]<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, Ted, I have to agree. I must say that old picture captures <strong><em>none<\/em><\/strong> of the real Dave Armstrong. I was totally unprepared for the real guy. [female]<\/p>\n<p>Ted, I met Dave Armstrong and his wife myself last year, and I must say that [Name]\u2019s characterization of him is spot on. The old picture of him in the leather jacket quite macabrely turns him into a grimacing mafioso. He is nothing of the kind; . . . [male]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It goes back to apologetics. People think (quite often) that we are mean, stuck-up know-it-alls: <em>must<\/em> be that in order to be apologists. So when they meet us in person and see that these stereotypes aren\u2019t true, then they are \u201cshocked\u201d.\u00a0I think it\u2019s a bum rap. Folks who say this should meet Pat Madrid or Jimmy Akin or Scott Hahn or my local friend and fellow apologist Gary Michuta (\u201cthe gentle giant\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>We all certainly have our ongoing sins that we struggle with and we can always improve in charity (since the Christian standard is so high: perfection and holiness!). I made that clear in my longer treatment of this on my own page.<\/p>\n<p>I also acknowledged above the role of body language and the other things that are much less evident or impossible to see online. I just don\u2019t think it is an excuse for, or can justify bad behavior. But you\u2019re right, in person we can read the body language and usually respond accordingly.<\/p>\n<p>Nor was I talking about the occasional slip-up or loss of temper, but rather, as I clarified in my longer treatment, the \u201cperson [who] *habitually* acts like an ass online . . .\u201d In other words, a vice or character defect . . .<\/p>\n<p>I say that [<em>habitually<\/em>] bad online behavior comes from the heart, and that it betrays someone who has serious problems. It\u2019ll come out less \u201cin real life\u201d because of social stigma and having more to lose. But it is still <em>there<\/em>\u00a0in their heart (which is a large part of my point); they simply repress it better in person than online, where there are less inhibitions and no face-to-face interaction.<\/p>\n<p>I maintain that it is \u201cone person\u201d who is doing the whole thing, and that they act differently online or offline, due to factors we have been noting. But what is in their heart is there and that\u2019s where everything proceeds from (Sermon on the Mount).<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t deny at all that the medium is a factor, as I have reiterated several times. The Internet is a factor making it relatively more difficult to effectively, \u201cnormally\u201d communicate; but this is not an <em>excuse<\/em>\u00a0for sin.<\/p>\n<p>We have to get to this bottom line, I think, if we hope to reform discourse online, that is so irritating to so many people (how lousy and stupid it often is). I think it can be reformed, and that venues can be moderated, so that a congenial atmosphere can be obtained. I know for sure that we did that at the Coming Home Network, where I was a moderator for three years. And I\u2019ve tried to apply what I learned there (as a moderator) on my own web pages.\u00a0If people are incorrigible, we must ban them at a certain point, lest they ruin it for everyone else.<\/p>\n<p>People do indeed \u201cgive into their darker selves\u201d online. In my larger paper I compared what far too many people do online, to the college kid out on spring break, away from family, and seemingly without responsibility. That was my own analogy; therefore, I <strong><em>do<\/em> <\/strong>certainly acknowledge that venues and media affect behavior.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe some of the slight confusion about my view is that I am distinguishing between actual behavior (different, according to venue) and what is in people\u2019s hearts, that causes them to act as they do (which is unified and not \u201csplit\u201d). My paper was primarily about the latter, and doesn\u2019t deny the former (factually different behavior).<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s also true that I am always the reformer and the idealist. I believe Internet discourse can potentially be much better, and that there are ways to successfully achieve that, and that it has taken place in many venues, and can, more so.<\/p>\n<p>So while many are becoming disenchanted and saying \u201cto hell with all discussion online\u201d [or at least, controversial discussion], I am always saying that we can all do better if we realize a few things that are different about online, act as we do in real life (not being anonymous or assuming multiple personas or playing games).<\/p>\n<p>A person chooses, for example, whether to be anonymous and\/or unaccountable online. That is behavior that (to me) is a sort of game. It\u2019s not like real life at all. And I have always argued that we need to make online as close <em>as possible<\/em>\u00a0to how we act online. Nicks and complete unaccountability don\u2019t further that goal (insofar as folks want to seek it in the first place).<\/p>\n<p>But despite my hopeless idealism, it\u2019s true that I do reach a point in particulars where I, too, literally give up. Thus, I dissed Internet discussion forums over ten years ago (then, ironically, I worked at one for three years, but I could help moderate it in that case, which was the difference). I gave up trying to dialogue with Anti-Catholics and radical Catholic reactionaries and the hostile, relentlessly insulting sort of atheist that we often see online (not <strong><em>all a<\/em><\/strong>theists; I\u2019ve talked to some very nice ones, too). I have neither the time more patience for any of that, after virtually universal bad experience in the past (after trying for many years).<\/p>\n<p>Others have reached their breaking point with Facebook, period, or blogs. I understand it, but I still don\u2019t think these media are beyond all redemption. We have to all strive to do better and represent our Lord more fully and faithfully. That is constructive and can help make things better in online discourse. We do it one by one, by God\u2019s grace.<\/p>\n<p>I see nothing inherently, woefully deficient in the medium of writing. The Bible is in writing, for heaven\u2019s sake.\u00a0People give greeting cards. That\u2019s writing. They write love letters to each other. There are pen pals. People write a script for a movie. It is then portrayed visually, which seems more like \u201creal life\u201d (but actually isn\u2019t at all in that case), but it was written beforehand. People read novels and non-fiction books.<\/p>\n<p>So we communicate with each other in writing online, too, and it is real (or certainly can be),<em><strong> if<\/strong><\/em> people stop playing games online and trying to manipulate or be rude and insulting to others. I\u2019m saying that these behaviors don\u2019t have to be, and that if we reject them (primarily by blocking incorrigible violators), we can continue to use this medium for much good.<\/p>\n<p>Right now I\u2019m sitting here writing, and it is quite real. I\u2019m writing from my heart, being sincere. It\u2019s not different at all from what I would say in person. If the latter is \u201creal\u201d I don\u2019t see how this is not real, because the essence of what I am communicating is the same.\u00a0So I don\u2019t agree with this \u201creal life vs. the Internet\u201d business (though I refer to it jokingly). This is still real life, too, which is why we are still subject to God\u2019s laws of morality and ethics while we are online.<\/p>\n<p>Where we would all agree, I think, is in identifying the dangers of a lack of balance and moderation in use of Facebook or other online entities: to the point where we hardly talk to people in person or spend time with them in person, or start neglecting our responsibilities to spouses, children, parents, or friends.<\/p>\n<p>Now you bring up the question of the relative utility of chat (\u201creal time\u201d) vs. more traditional letter-writing. In my opinion, the latter is vastly superior. For that reason I almost never chat online. It\u2019s very inefficient and too time-consuming.<\/p>\n<p>This reminds me, too, of the argument I have made for years that written debate is far superior to oral debates. Because in the latter, what we often find is a circus atmosphere, and lots of sophistry and playing to the crowds.<\/p>\n<p>In written debate, the participants have plenty of time to give the best answer they can give. This is why anti-Catholic James White has avoided a true written debate with me since 1995, while challenging me three times to an oral debate, which I always refuse on principle.\u00a0So at least where debates are concerned, the written medium is vastly superior, and quite real indeed. Lots of substance, and flatulence and fluff can be identified and refuted for what it is.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, in this case (strictly talking about debates), the medium that is supposedly less \u201creal\u201d (writing) is way better than the \u201creal life\u201d face-to-face encounter of the oral debate with an audience, where all sorts of games and silliness take place.\u00a0Occasionally, we see a worthy public oral debate (such as Lincoln-Douglass), but that is the rare exception.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, I conclude that it is not at all obvious that the lack of body language, voice, et al always makes mere writing encounters inferior.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>My Three \u201cLaws\u201d Concerning Online Discourse (actual or mere facsimiles thereof)<\/em> [3-25-15]<\/p>\n<p>Armstrong\u2019s Law #1: It is virtually 100% certain that when anyone (including, sadly, Catholics) starts to vigorously disagree online, some sort of <em>ad hominem<\/em> insults will start flying, and misrepresentations of opposing views will inevitably occur.<\/p>\n<p>Armstrong\u2019s Law #2: If someone personally attacks and lies about another person and\/or his opinions, and the recipient merely <em>defends<\/em>\u00a0himself against false charges and objects to the calumnies, he will inevitably be accused by some or many observers of engaging in <em>exactly the same behavior<\/em>\u00a0as his attacker, as if the two were \u201cimmoral equivalents.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Armstrong\u2019s Law #3: When there is strong disagreement, inevitably virtually all online discussions about it will immediately be diverted to anything <strong><em>other<\/em> <\/strong>than what the dispute is <em>actually about<\/em>: personalities, or \u201cpsychoanalysis\u201d of the guy who disagrees, or wholesale mockery and silliness (generally, postmodernist subjective mush over against objectively determined facts). Anything and everything that can be thrown (very much like dog poop on a wall) in order to avoid <em>actually dealing with the topic at hand<\/em>\u00a0will be brought into play. The ancients called this sophistry. We may also call it \u201cobfuscation\u201d or \u201cobscurantism.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[original combox]<\/p>\n<p>Lately, a Catholic man\u2019s primary foes come from the Catholic household of faith (making Jesus\u2019 words ring true). They\u2019re out there now blasting and lying about me. The anti-Catholics and atheists mostly ignore me.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>Criticizing Public Posts on Facebook (The Latest Ridiculous and Pathetic Dust-Up)<\/em>\u00a0[5-29-15]<\/p>\n<p>I was blocked by a person for making a public criticism on Facebook of a <em><strong>public<\/strong><\/em> post on Facebook, having informed them immediately on said post that I was doing so (with the link to my post). This was deemed as underhanded, sneaky, the height of outrageousness, and \u201cbehind\u201d the person\u2019s \u201cback.\u201d Does this make any sense to anyone?<\/p>\n<p>Everyone can choose on Facebook if their posts are public or for friends only (or an even more restricted \u201cCustom\u201d setting). So if someone wants no public criticism or publicly posted stuff, they have that option. See the little globe icon under my name above? That means all my posts are public, and fair game for anyone to read or comment upon.<\/p>\n<p>Generally speaking (i.e., beyond merely Facebook), anyone who writes (and this person has a great deal) knows that a public article is fair game to be criticized. I wholeheartedly agree that it is a <em>courtesy<\/em>\u00a0to let someone <em>know<\/em>\u00a0about it, but it is not morally <em>required to ask their permission<\/em>, because it is already a matter of public record, and what\u2019s public is public! A = A.<\/p>\n<p>I am almost never informed when someone is critiquing anything of mine, let alone asked permission. But I like to (and routinely do) let people know when I do a critique. When I informed the outraged person that I had let them know, on their post in question (since they seemed unaware), I was berated because it had been during dinnertime and informed that this was an ethical loophole. <em>Huh<\/em>? [scratching head] More evidence of my sneaky, \u201cunder a rock\u201d nature, I reckon. Everyone knows that about me, right?<\/p>\n<p>I also removed my post as soon as I learned that the person was most (shall we say?) \u201cdispleased\u201d about it. The Bible says, \u201cas much as <em>possible<\/em> [I love the qualifier!] be at peace with all men.\u201d But how much do you wanna bet that I am still being talked about [in a public post] over there now, behind <em>my<\/em> back [having been blocked]?<\/p>\n<p>Of course, a lot of people detest the notion of anyone daring to criticize them about anything in the first place, but that is another matter entirely . . .<\/p>\n<p>[original combox]<\/p>\n<p>If it weren\u2019t for my love of farcical humor, I would have long ago been in a rubber room, faced with the asinine nonsense that regularly occurs online. It\u2019s good to see that there are a few souls left who see this garbage for what it is.<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, as I predicted, I am being massively gossiped about and slandered (by fellow Catholics) over there, as I speak. So now we have a ludicrous nuthouse scenario where I am supposedly outrageously wrong for publicly responding to a public post (having let them know with a link), yet this person is <strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong> wrong for gossiping about me truly behind my back (with a chorus of half-a-dozen back-slapping sycophants), while I am blocked (said person also having stated yesterday that they don\u2019t block people for mere disagreements).<\/p>\n<p>Today we learn that I am supposedly \u201cdesperate for traffic.\u201d My Facebook traffic is very regular, with 6,090 friends and followers. I don\u2019t need traffic. I need book sales. And believe me, I don\u2019t gain popularity (or book sales) when I am involved in one of these stupid conflicts. It doesn\u2019t help me. So this \u201ctheory\u201d doesn\u2019t make any sense. But why would we expect it to, in this circumstance?<\/p>\n<p>Another person in the thread informs everyone that \u201cDave\u2019s been a loving nurser of grudges for a long time.\u201d I\u2019m \u201cjackass-y\u201d and have an \u201cinquisitorial streak.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another [and this is a person whom I had thought was my friend] states that I am a \u201cLone Ranger\u201d professional Catholic apologist who lacks a basic understanding that Catholicism is a relationship with God and that the goal is salvation of souls and not just \u201csyllogisms.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now a meme has been made: \u201cArmstrong\u2019s About to Ruin This Thread.\u201d That\u2019s tough to do when I\u2019m blocked, ain\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p>Another Paragon of Virtue and Oracle of Truth stated that I \u201calready ruined the Internet.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So now it\u2019s a wholesale slander- and gossip-fest, with not a single person objecting to it (at least in public on that thread). It\u2019s what I call a \u201cfeeding frenzy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[update: at least one person had the decency, guts, and fair-mindedness to publicly protest in the thread. I also know of one other prominent online person who has defriended the offending party in disgust]<\/p>\n<p>All because I publicly objected to an atrocious public post that (what else?) attacked Pope Francis. For that, I must be the recipient of all the above ridiculous insults, from the usual suspects. And even <strong><em>this<\/em><\/strong> reply (mark my words) will now be lambasted, because I\u2019m not allowed to ever speak out against such unethical and hypocritical tactics, which are rampant online. I\u2019m just supposed to shut up. If I don\u2019t, it\u2019s because I want traffic, I\u2019m a resentful jackass, and don\u2019t understand that apologetics (which I\u2019ve engaged in for now 34 years) is to save souls.<\/p>\n<p>This is what passes for intelligent discourse these days. Very <em>edifying<\/em>, isn\u2019t it? I haven\u2019t named any names here, but they are sure naming ME, ain\u2019t they?<\/p>\n<p>Another person at least refrained from attacking me, but he casually noted that Pope Francis \u201chates traditionalists.\u201d That was enough to earn a block. I don\u2019t have any patience for the idiotic anti-Francis mentalities anymore. Two friends of mine just departed Facebook in the last week. They had had enough; seen enough.<\/p>\n<p>And on and on it goes.<\/p>\n<p>I even said before I was blocked, that I removed my public post and requested that the person reciprocate and remove all the insults and hissy-fits about my post that were much ado about nothing.<\/p>\n<p>But of course they didn\u2019t do that (which would be normal behavior) and instead we get the entirely predictable gossipfest and slanderfest: people who are academics and published writers disgracing themselves in a public display of pharisaical idiocy and sheer hypocrisy.<\/p>\n<p>The first thing one does when they are in the wrong is to find sycophants who will agree, thus bolstering the illusion that wrong is right, because six loudmouthed people <em><strong>agree<\/strong><\/em>\u00a0that it is right.<\/p>\n<p>I predicted it, and it has come to pass exactly as I said it would.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not worried about it at all. It\u2019s part of the weekly \u201coccupational hazards\u201d of apologetics. But I passionately condemn and expose it for what it is, as I do anything that is so clearly wrong.<\/p>\n<p>There are five or six nattering nabobs over there who agree that I am a \u201cjackass\u201d \u2014 so they can\u2019t <em>possibly<\/em> be <em>wrong<\/em>, right? Isn\u2019t truth determined by a head count? They<em> said<\/em> so! How could it <em><strong>not<\/strong> <\/em>be true? <em><strong>Six<\/strong> <\/em>people, after all . . . !!!<\/p>\n<p>Also, I\u2019m not venting so much as rebuking. I\u2019m sure some vent got into that (being human), but it is primarily a rebuke of sin. If we don\u2019t rebuke garbage, the online experience continues to get worse and worse.<\/p>\n<p>My action is perfectly defensible, ethically and morally, while the current slander going on over there is both indefensible and utterly hypocritical according to the very objection wrongfully made about me (\u201ctalking behind the back\u201d of someone was condemned, and now that is exactly what some 6-10 people are doing on that very thread, with hundreds watching).<\/p>\n<p>The problem, though, is that if I ask permission, the person (likely, in light of what has transpired) simply says no. Yet it is an issue that needed to be addressed publicly, and already was public. So even if I get a \u201cno\u201d upon asking, there is nothing wrong with critiquing a public post. Ethically, I don\u2019t <strong><em>need<\/em><\/strong> permission (though it is always nice if you get it, of course). Then they get even <strong><em>more<\/em><\/strong> angry, having denied a \u201cpermission\u201d that they wrongly think is required, regarding public material.<\/p>\n<p>So one can\u2019t win either way. The obvious bottom-line problem is simply that they don\u2019t like being <strong><em>disagreed<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0with. Hence this person blocked me, after saying that they didn\u2019t block people. I disagreed too much and had to be \u201cshut up\u201d somehow.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve said for years (I have papers about this going back 17-18 years) that the only way we\u00a0reform Internet discourse is to model it ourselves: to provide an example of charitable discourse in the venues that we control. I try to do that here. Obviously, some folks think I have failed, but many more have made kind remarks, including many Protestants, and they seem to think I am doing something right.<\/p>\n<p>In any event, the fruit continues. I receive reports all the time that my work has influenced folks to become Catholics. There is demonstrable <em>fruit<\/em>\u00a0here, is my point. That\u2019s the bottom line. That\u2019s all that matters. So let the naysayers and the slanderers do all they will. They will <strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong> stop me; never have and never will. Their fruit (at least in the present instance) is bitterness and wrath and slander and calumny.<\/p>\n<p>I have never done the work I do to try to please men in the first place. If I wanted to go that route, I could easily make a lot more money than I do, with a lot less insults coming my way.\u00a0But I do it because God called me to do it, and nothing will stop me from doing it: certainly not a bunch of anal-retentive, idiotic, juvenile name-calling.<\/p>\n<p>I must say that it is one of the oddest, funniest things I have ever heard in my life, to hear a guy who publicly credited me twice in writing as \u201cinstrumental\u201d in his conversion to Catholicism, <strong><em>now<\/em><\/strong> say that I have only a dim idea that apologetics is about conversion.\u00a0Yep. <em>Knew<\/em> that . . .<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a strange world we live in. Once people get angry with you they are capable of saying the most outlandish, idiotic things, without the slightest relationship to demonstrable reality and facts.<\/p>\n<p>I know (or <em>did<\/em>\u00a0know at one time) most of these people. There\u2019s a lot of angst here. One, e.g., has compared the entire endeavor of professional Catholic apologetics to prostitution (I kid you not).\u00a0The biggest mouths in this bashing thread have said stupid and slanderous things on many occasions. This is nothing new. When they all get together and decide to slander a particularly wicked person, like me, it\u2019s all the more fun and nuthouse-ish (to coin a phrase).<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve experienced just about every conceivable insult and tactic online, Terese. It just never works with me; doesn\u2019t deter me in the slightest. People who do it invariably neither understand 1) me as a person, or 2) what motivates me in my work. They get it wrong every time.\u00a0And so here it is again. It\u2019s a joke and a farce.<\/p>\n<p>We all have our roles to play that God has given us. Not all can do what I do. And I can\u2019t do a <strong><em>lot<\/em><\/strong> of very important things that many others do. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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