{"id":48520,"date":"2020-06-04T11:54:31","date_gmt":"2020-06-04T15:54:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=48520"},"modified":"2020-06-04T14:27:55","modified_gmt":"2020-06-04T18:27:55","slug":"baptismal-regeneration-and-justification-vs-jason-engwer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/06\/baptismal-regeneration-and-justification-vs-jason-engwer.html","title":{"rendered":"Baptismal Regeneration and Justification (vs. Jason Engwer)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-48529\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/06\/CorneliusAngel.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"636\" height=\"480\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is my reply to Jason Engwer\u2019s article,<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/triablogue.blogspot.com\/2009\/12\/baptismal-justification.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cBaptismal Justification\u201d<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">(12-20-09), which was a portion of<a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.calledtocommunion.com\/2009\/12\/justification-catholic-church-and-the-judaizers\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> a larger discussion<\/a> he was having with Catholic apologist Bryan Cross. His words will be in<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">As an introductory statement, I would emphasize that the Bible and Catholicism teach both justification by grace through faith and baptismal regeneration (including normative infant baptism). The two notions and events are harmonious. But they can be discussed by themselves.\u00a0 Often (if not most times), the Bible will mention one without the other. But it doesn\u2019t follow that every mention of one without the other implies some sort of <em>contradiction<\/em>. It does not, because both are asserted in inspired Scripture. I agree that many mentions of something constitute good biblical evidence for it (I presuppose this in many of my own articles, in citing a lot of Bible passages); however, there are things that are mentioned a lot less in the Bible that remain just as true as the frequently mentioned doctrines.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The examples of this that I usually point out are the virgin birth and original sin. Both are firmly believed by virtually all Christian believers: Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox: yet they are mentioned (especially in the case of original sin) fairly few times. Moreover, there is an example of a firmly and universally held doctrine (apart from seven disputed books pout of 73) that is absolutely absent from Holy Scripture: the canon of the Bible: which was ultimately determined and decreed by Church authority and apostolic tradition.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bottom line: assertion of either aspects of baptism or justification, without mentioning the other doctrine, does not imply a negation of the other. and if and when Jason argues in such a fashion, he will be engaging in logical fallacy and inadequate biblical exegesis and hermeneutics. The task of the fair and open biblical exegete is to incorporate all of the data regarding justification and baptism into a harmonious whole. As one would expect, I think the Catholic view does that. And there are two passages in Paul that explicitly link baptism and justification.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Below is a portion of my latest response, relevant to the subject of attaining justification through baptism. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Paul, James, and other New Testament authors suggest continuity between justification through faith in the Old Testament era and justification through faith in the New Testament era.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Indeed they do. But baptism was prefigured by circumcision. I summarized the biblical data on that analogy in my paper,\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/04\/infant-baptism-a-fictional-dialogue.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Infant Baptism: A Fictional Dialogue<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Paul in Colossians 2:11-13 makes a connection between baptism and circumcision. Israel was the church before Christ (Acts 7:38; Romans 9:4). Circumcision, given to 8-day-old boys, was the seal of the covenant God made with Abraham, which applies to us also (Galatians 3:14, 29). It was a sign of repentance and future faith (Romans 4:11). Infants were just as much a part of the covenant as adults (Genesis 17:7; Deuteronomy 29:10-12, cf. Matthew 19:14). Likewise, baptism is the seal of the New Covenant in Christ. It signifies cleansing from sin, just as circumcision did (Deuteronomy 10:16; 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; 9:25; Romans 2:28-29; Philippians 3:3).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I also have an article about<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/10\/baptism-the-analogy-of-circumcision-john-calvin.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">John Calvin commenting at length about Paul\u2019s circumcision-baptism analogy<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But works of faith come later than faith.\u00a0Genesis 15:6\u00a0is about a faith that would result in works, but the works come after the faith.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We fully agree, which is why we speak of<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/04\/initial-justification-faith-alone-harmonious.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">initial justification, by faith<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">I\u2019ve even written a post entitled,<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/09\/monergism-in-initial-justification-is-catholic-doctrine.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Monergism in Initial Justification is Catholic Doctrine<\/a>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">So this notion doesn\u2019t contradict Catholic soteriology or theology in general.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">When somebody trusts God in response to a promise God makes, as in Genesis 15, that\u2019s faith in the heart (as in\u00a0Acts 15:7-11\u00a0and\u00a0Romans 10:10), not faith accompanied by an outer manifestation like baptism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now here is where Jason attempts to illogically separate such justification from an equally necessary and regenerative baptism. Acts 15:7-11 is the account St. Peter at the Jerusalem Council talking about how he had observed Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit (15:8) and have their hearts \u201ccleansed . . . by faith\u201d (15:9). But there is no reason to believe that he would <em>separate<\/em> baptism from that, simply because he doesn\u2019t mention it here. How do we know that? Well, we know from looking at actual instances of reception of the Holy Spirit in which Peter was present.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In Acts 2, it is the Day of Pentecost and the disciples receive the Holy Spirit and are indwelt by Him (2:1-4). As a result, St. Peter gives the first Christian sermon, explaining what had happened, and presents the gospel (2:14-36). When he is done, the Bible says that \u201cthey were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, \u2018Brethren, what shall we do?\u201d\u2018 (2:37; RSV, as throughout). And here is how Peter responds:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Acts 2:38-41<\/strong>\u00a0. . . \u201cRepent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.\u00a0[39] For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.\u201d\u00a0[40] And he testified with many other words and exhorted them, saying, \u201cSave yourselves from this crooked generation.\u201d [41] So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Thus, the very first act or \u201cwork\u201d that those who have accepted the gospel by grace through faith is to get baptized. And this baptism is \u201cfor the forgiveness of your sins\u201d and its result will be receiving \u201cthe gift of the Holy Spirit.\u201d And it is intended for all believers, and for their \u201cchildren\u201d (infant baptism). Lastly,\u00a0 getting baptized is, according to Peter and inspired Scripture, \u201cSav[ing]\u00a0yourselves from this crooked generation.\u201d I don\u2019t know how the Bible could be more explicit in describing baptismal regeneration and its actual necessity, either at the beginning of an adult convert\u2019s Christian life or for an infant who is the child of Christians. Everything is here: repentance, forgiveness of sins, the indwelling Holy Spirit, salvation, and the idea that baptism formally adds one to the Church.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">When Peter observes the Holy Spirit falling upon Gentiles, too, he acts in exactly the same fashion:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Acts 10:44-48<\/strong>\u00a0While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.\u00a0[45] And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.\u00a0[46] For they heard them <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>speaking in tongues<\/a> and extolling God. Then Peter declared,\u00a0[47] \u201cCan any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?\u201d\u00a0[48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">When St. Paul converted, it was precisely the same state of affairs again:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Acts 9:17-18<\/strong> So Anani\u2019as departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, \u201cBrother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came, has sent me that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.\u201d\u00a0[18] And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Acts 22:11-16<\/strong>\u00a0And when I could not see because of the brightness of that light, I was led by the hand by those who were with me, and came into Damascus.\u00a0[12]\u00a0\u201cAnd one Anani\u2019as, a devout man according to the law, well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there,\u00a0[13] came to me, and standing by me said to me, `Brother Saul, receive your sight.\u2019 And in that very hour I received my sight and saw him.\u00a0[14] And he said, `The God of our fathers appointed you to know his will, to see the Just One and to hear a voice from his mouth;\u00a0[15] for you will be a witness for him to all men of what you have seen and heard.\u00a0[16] And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.\u2019<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Note that his sins were not yet \u201cwashed away\u201d when he first converted and saw Jesus. That only came with baptism, just as was the case in Acts 2:38, 40.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Obviously, then, for Peter and Paul, baptism (i.e., for adult converts accepting Christianity for the first time) goes along with \u2014 at the same time \u2014 repentance, belief in the gospel and justification by faith. How is it, then, that Jason can claim the exact opposite: that it\u2019s<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201c<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">not faith accompanied by an outer manifestation like baptism\u201d<span style=\"color: #000000;\">? Well, he does so by highlighting certain passages while ignoring other relevant ones, and playing the usual Protestant unbiblical and illogical \u201ceither \/ or\u201d game. The Bible teaches <em>both<\/em> things; he contends in futility that it teaches only<em> one<\/em> of them. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It isn\u2019t the case that the chronological order is always the same (baptism \u2014&gt; reception of the Holy Spirit or\u00a0reception of the Holy Spirit \u2014&gt; baptism), but rather, that they are, broadly speaking, together in time. That is the constant. The ancient Hebrews didn\u2019t view chronology like we do. One being <em>accompanied<\/em> by the other (whether technically before or after) is the essence of the thing, rather than one being slightly before the other. That\u2019s what Scripture teaches, whether Jason and other Protestants care for it or not.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">There isn\u2019t a single individual who\u2019s described as coming to faith, but having to wait until baptism to be justified. Nor is there any individual who\u2019s described as only having a lesser, unjustifying faith prior to baptism or not having faith at all until baptism.\u00a0Rather, we repeatedly see people justified as soon as they believe, prior to or without baptism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I just provided several counter-examples. In Acts 2, the sequence was repentance, then baptism, which brings forgiveness of sins, the Holy Spirit, salvation, and entrance into the kingdom (i.e., the Church). One can hardly be \u201cjustified\u201d without all those things or have a greater faith before baptism (given this description). Therefore, baptism is what immediately<em> caused<\/em> it. When Paul was baptized, according to his own interpretation, his sins were washed away as a result.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So how could he be justified (before baptism), seeing that his sins weren\u2019t even forgiven and washed away and he wasn\u2019t \u201csaved\u201d yet? He could <em>not<\/em>, since forgiveness of sins and salvation \/ regeneration are <em>essential<\/em> to the notion of justification.\u00a0And an infant can have no conscious, \u201cpersonal\u201d faith at all prior to baptism or even after. Yet <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/05\/baptism-of-entire-households-in-the-nt-infant-baptism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the Bible teaches infant baptism<\/a>. Other passages on baptismal regeneration reinforce this point:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>Mark 16:16<\/b>\u00a0He who\u00a0believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>John 3:5\u00a0<\/b>Jesus answered, \u201cI tell you the truth, unless a man is born of\u00a0water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (cf. 3:3: \u201cunless a man is born again \u2026\u201d)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 6:3-5<\/strong>\u00a0Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?\u00a0[4] We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. [5]\u00a0For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>Titus 3:5<\/b>\u00a0he\u00a0saved\u00a0us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the\u00a0washing of regeneration\u00a0and renewal in the Holy Spirit,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1 Peter 3:20-21<\/strong>\u00a0. . . during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.\u00a0[21] Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We see from this additional relevant biblical data that a person is \u201csaved\u201d by baptism; it\u2019s how he can \u201center the kingdom of God\u201d and be \u201cborn again\u201d; it allows the baptized person to \u201cwalk in newness of life\u201d and be united with Jesus in His Resurrection. It brings about \u201cregeneration\u00a0and renewal in the Holy Spirit.\u201d I fail to see what else is required to prove the point! Is this not overwhelming evidence for the Catholic view (and Orthodox and Anglican and Lutheran and the view of other Protestant groups that believe in baptismal regeneration)? Yet Jason wants to argue that justification is before baptism. It makes no sense whatsoever. It\u2019s exactly the opposite of the biblical presentation on these matters.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I just discovered some very exciting arguments for baptismal regeneration tonight (I don\u2019t know how I\u2019ve missed this, all this time, but I\u2019m always learning), from my friend David Palm, who wrote on my Facebook page:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I remember when I was not-yet-converted and was scratching my head about this whole baptism and justification connection that the Council of Trent made. Trent\u00a0references Romans 6:7, so I went and read it in the Greek and was absolutely gobsmacked. Romans 6:7 in English is often translated along the lines of, \u201cFor he who has died is freed from sin\u201d (RSVCE). But in Greek it says, \u201c\u1f41 \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u1f00\u03c0\u03bf\u03b8\u03b1\u03bd\u1f7c\u03bd \u03b4\u03b5\u03b4\u03b9\u03ba\u03b1\u03af\u03c9\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u1f00\u03c0\u1f78 \u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u1f01\u03bc\u03b1\u03c1\u03c4\u03af\u03b1\u03c2.\u201d That word \u201c\u03b4\u03b5\u03b4\u03b9\u03ba\u03b1\u03af\u03c9\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9\u201d, is a form of the verb \u201cto justify\u201d, the very same verb used in the more prominent passages in Rom 3 and 4. So more literally it would be (in the context), \u201cFor he who has died [in Christ, in baptism] <em>has been <strong>justified<\/strong><\/em>\u00a0from sin\u2026.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I was curious to see if there were translations that reflected this. There aren\u2019t many, but I found a few (including several quite old ones):<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>ASV<\/strong>\u00a0<span class=\"verse\">for he that hath died is justified from sin.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Darby<\/strong> For he that has died is justified from sin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Douay-Rheims<\/strong>\u00a0For he that is dead is justified from sin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Tyndale\u00a0<\/strong>For he that is dead is justified from sin. [Old English spelling modified]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Wycliffe<\/strong>\u00a0For he that is dead [to sin], is justified from sin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Wuest<\/strong> for the one who died once for all stands in the position of a permanent relationship of freedom from the sinful nature.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">ASV is the most surprising, since it was the American revision of the King James Version: produced in 1901. <em>Strong\u2019s Concordance<\/em> lists the word here as <em>dikaioo<\/em> (<a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.blueletterbible.org\/lang\/lexicon\/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1344&amp;t=KJV\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">#1344<\/a>).\u00a0 Knowing that, we can trace its use in other passages, as David suggests above. It occurs 14 more times in Romans alone and 12 times in other Pauline epistles. Here are the most notable instances:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 2:13<\/strong>\u00a0For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be<\/span> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justified<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 3:23-25\u00a0<\/strong>since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,\u00a0[24] they are<\/span> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justified<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,\u00a0[25] whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 3:26<\/strong> . . .\u00a0he<\/span> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justifies<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">him who has faith in Jesus.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 3:28<\/strong>\u00a0For we hold that a man is<span style=\"color: #008000;\"> justified<\/span> by faith apart from works of law.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 3:30<\/strong> . . .\u00a0he will<span style=\"color: #008000;\"> justify<\/span> the circumcised on the ground of their faith and the uncircumcised through their faith.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 4:5<\/strong>\u00a0And to one who does not work but trusts him who <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justifies<\/span> the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 5:1\u00a0<\/strong>Therefore, since we are<span style=\"color: #008000;\"> justified<\/span> by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 5:9<\/strong>\u00a0Since, therefore, we are now <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justified<\/span> by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Galatians 2:16<\/strong> . . .\u00a0in order to be <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justified<\/span> by faith in Christ . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Galatians 3:24<\/strong>\u00a0So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justified<\/span> by faith.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Titus 3:7\u00a0<\/strong>so that we might be <span style=\"color: #008000;\">justified<\/span> by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Apologists, theologians, and avid Bible readers are well familiar with Paul\u2019s theme of being justified by grace (Rom 3:24; Titus 3:7) and by faith (most of the other passages above). But in Romans 2:13, Paul applies the term not to either grace or faith, but to \u201cdoers of the law.\u201d James uses the word (in a way that gave Luther fits) in relation to Abraham and Rahab being \u201cjustified by works\u201d (Jas 2:21, 24-25).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But now we also see that St. Paul teaches that the<em> baptized person<\/em> is \u201cjustified from sin\u201d (Rom 6:7). This pretty much dramatically shoots down Jason\u2019s entire attempt to separate baptism from justification \/ regeneration. The entire chapter of Romans 6 is now seen in an exciting light in reference to baptism and its profound spiritual power. Paul creates an analogy between our baptism and Jesus\u2019 death (6:3-6). Then we have the bombshell verse of 6:7, which directly applies justification to baptism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The rest of the chapter, in light of the stage that Paul has set, is filled with proof texts for baptismal regeneration. Because of our baptism \/ \u201cdeath\u201d we are now \u201cdead to sin and alive to God\u201d (6:11). Thus, sanctification seems intimately tied in with the justification and regeneration that baptism has brought about (a very Catholic and unProtestant view indeed). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Perhaps this is some of what St. Paul means by saying, \u201cFor as many of you as were baptized into Christ have<b>\u00a0<\/b>put on\u00a0Christ\u201d (Gal 3:27; cf. Rom 13:14), and also his terminology of \u201cput on\u00a0the new nature\u201d (Eph 4:24; Col 3:10), and \u201cif any one is in Christ, he is a<b>\u00a0<\/b>new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come\u201d (2 Cor 5:17), and \u201cthe<b>\u00a0<\/b>new life\u00a0of the Spirit\u201d (Rom 7:6): not to mention several other verses about the indwelling Holy Spirit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">As a result of this baptism, sin is no longer to \u201creign\u201d over us or have \u201cdominion\u201d (Rom 6:12-15), leading to \u201crighteousness for sanctification\u201d (6:19). We\u2019re no longer \u201cslaves to sin\u201d (6:16-18, 20). Now as a result of baptismal regeneration, we\u2019ve been \u201cset free from sin\u201d with \u201cthe return\u201d being \u201csanctification and its end, eternal life\u201d (6:18, 22).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Wow! Hard to argue against all <em>that<\/em>! It\u2019s baptismal regeneration, justification, sanctification, and salvation all in one fell swoop: in one chapter of Paul: supposedly the great \u201cProtestant\u201d apostle and alleged herald of justification by faith alone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">It\u2019s not as though people like Cornelius and the Galatians didn\u2019t have access to baptism,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In the passage about Cornelius, Peter preaches, and then Cornelius, along with other Gentiles who receive the Spirit are baptized (Acts 10:44-48). So this is more evidence of the Catholic position, not Jason\u2019s. We know what Paul and Peter thought baptism <em>did<\/em>: not from this particular passage, but others, that have to be considered along with Acts 10.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">It would make no sense to dismiss a passage like\u00a0Luke 18:10-14,\u00a0Acts 19:2, or\u00a0Romans 10:10\u00a0as an exception to the rule. Justification upon believing response to the gospel, prior to baptism, is the rule, not the exception.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In Luke 18:10-14, we hear of the righteous man who was \u201cjustified\u201dbecause he exhibited genuine repentance and humility. This doesn\u2019t prove that he would not also have to be baptized (see my logical point in the introduction). The same Jesus Who taught this in a story, also said:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Matthew 28:19<\/strong> Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">After we preach and make disciples and bring about new converts and believers by the power of the Holy Spirit, we baptize them. The disciples were already baptizing others, early in Jesus\u2019 ministry: thus we can assume that they must have themselves been baptized, in order to baptize others, but it wasn\u2019t by Jesus (John 4:2).<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Acts 19:1-6\u00a0<\/strong>While Apol\u2019los was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples.\u00a0[2] And he said to them, \u201cDid you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?\u201d And they said, \u201cNo, we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.\u201d [3] And he said, \u201cInto what then were you baptized?\u201d They said, \u201cInto John\u2019s baptism.\u201d\u00a0[4] And Paul said, \u201cJohn baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.\u201d\u00a0[5] On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.\u00a0[6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It\u2019s the same again here: some disciples were found who had been baptized by John the Baptist. But then they were baptized in the name of Jesus and after that, they received the Holy Spirit. Apparently, then, Jason manages to believe (I know not how) in a justification without the Holy Spirit.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Romans 10:10<\/strong> For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This refers to justification, but the same Paul makes it clear that baptism is also an essential part of the overall equation, in Romans 6:3-5 and Titus 3:5 (seen above). So it\u2019s not \u201ceither\/or\u201d but \u201cboth\/and.\u201d I have repeatedly shown how the two can go hand-in-hand and be perfectly harmonious. This is what the Bible teaches. So why does Jason keep trying to <em>separate<\/em> them? Well, because he is engaged in systematic <em>eisegesis<\/em>: reading <em>into<\/em> the Bible and apostolic Christianity what isn\u2019t there. And he is engaging in the typical and distressingly common Protestant false dichotomy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Mark 16:16\u00a0is an extra-Biblical source. It has some significance as an early text, but the readers should keep in mind that it\u2019s an extra-Biblical text. The authentic gospel of Mark says nothing of baptismal justification. (Similarly, the authentic letters of Ignatius of Antioch say nothing of it. The inauthentic longer versions of his letters, on the other hand, include reference to the concept.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>There are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.apologeticspress.org\/apcontent.aspx?category=13&amp;article=704\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">many excellent and compelling arguments<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">for Mark 16:9-20 being part of Scripture. But even if it <em>isn\u2019t<\/em>, there are plenty more passages teaching baptismal regeneration that Jason can\u2019t dismiss.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">You\u2019ve made no attempt to explain the large number of Biblical examples of justification apart from baptism that I cited earlier. As I said, such passages have moved many advocates of baptismal justification to argue that baptism didn\u2019t become a requirement (in normative cases) until after Jesus\u2019 public ministry. . . .\u00a0John refers to justification through faith many times (1:12, 3:15-16, 3:18, 3:36, 5:24, 6:35, 6:40, 6:47, 7:38-39, 11:25-26, etc.), and baptismal justification is alleged to be referred to only once, in 3:5.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">As explained in the introduction, mentions of justification that do not also mention baptism, don\u2019t wipe out all the passages that teach required baptism as an essential component of Christian discipleship and justification itself (which Paul literally asserts in Romans 6:7). It\u2019s simply not a disproof. The Bible has to be interpreted as a harmonious whole, since it is inspired revelation, and Jason cannot ignore this massive biblical evidence regarding baptism. How very odd, if Jason is correct, that the very first thing Jesus did when He commenced His public ministry, was to be baptized as an example. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">And the immediate precursor and proclaimer of the arrival of Jesus the Messiah: John the Baptist, was primarily one who baptized (as we see in his very title): which prophets had never done before. Then we see Jesus\u2019 disciples baptizing (Jn 4:2), and His command. shortly before ascending, that mentioned baptism in conjunction with making disciples (Mt 28:19). After the Day of Pentecost and the first Christian sermon of the new covenant, Peter immediately calls for a mass baptism: precisely as Jesus said His disciples should do: preach and baptize. Jason\u2019s inability to grasp the significance of all this is like a person looking all over the sky at high noon on a clear summer day and not being able to find the sun.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Most likely,\u00a0Acts 2:38\u00a0has a meaning similar to\u00a0Matthew 3:11. The people in Matthew 3 weren\u2019t being baptized to attain repentance. Rather, they were repenting, then being baptized on the basis of that repentance. Not only would it be irrational to think that unrepentant people would be baptized in order to attain repentance, but Josephus specifically tells us that John\u2019s baptism was for people who had already repented (<em>Antiquities Of The Jews<\/em>, 18:5:2).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Of course, this was the order (repentance, then baptism, which \u201cseals\u201d it), as indicated in Mark 1:5: \u201cthey were<b>\u00a0<\/b>baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins\u201d (cf. Mt 3:6). John\u2019s words, \u201cRepent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand\u201d (Mt 3:2), imply \u2014 it seems to me \u2014 a repentance, followed by baptism: rather like a Protestant altar call, where the person repents, then goes up to the altar in a ritual gesture of public proclamation of newfound faith. In Catholicism, the equivalent would be reception into the Church at Easter, followed by baptism, for those who had never been baptized. When I was received, I was <em>conditionally<\/em> baptized, just in case my previous one (as a Methodist infant in 1958) was invalid for some reason.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Acts 2:38 is the same order: \u201cRepent, and be baptized.\u201d And it was the same for St. Paul. He repented and stopped warring against Jesus Christ and His Body, and then he was baptized.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Given the availability of such a reasonable understanding of\u00a0Acts 2:38\u00a0(one similar to how we all read\u00a0Matthew 3:11), it wouldn\u2019t make sense to adopt some other view of the passage that would be so inconsistent with what Luke says elsewhere and what other Biblical authors say (documented above).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jason seems to think that repentance is the same thing as justification, but it\u2019s not. It\u2019s only the <em>first step<\/em> towards justification and regeneration. Hence we see a verse like this:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Mark 1:4<\/strong> John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of<b>\u00a0<\/b>repentance for the forgiveness of sins. (cf. Lk 3:3)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The people in John\u2019s baptisms would repent and confess, then get baptized, which would bring the forgiveness (which is the justification: at least by analogy to later Christian baptism). The Apostle Paul taught that the two are not identical:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>2 Corinthians 7:10<\/strong>\u00a0For godly grief produces a<b>\u00a0<\/b>repentance that leads to salvation . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">1 Peter 3:21\u00a0is a passage addressed to Christians in the context of discussing sanctification. Baptism saves in that sense, not in the sense of justification. Like the baptism of John the Baptist, Christian baptism doesn\u2019t remove the filth of sin (1 Peter 3:21). Instead, it\u2019s a public pledge made to God that commits Christians, like those to whom Peter is writing, to faithfulness to God in their present experience of persecution.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The preceding context shows that Peter is talking about unbelievers being saved by baptism:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1 Peter 3:18\u00a0<\/strong>For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Peter goes on to make a parable-like comparison: during the Flood, \u201ceight persons, were saved through water\u201d (3:20). Then he says, \u201cBaptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you\u201d (3:21). \u201cSalvation\u201d in the Old Testament generally meant \u201csaved from death\u201d or from \u201cenemies\u201d (who often would bring death). In the New Testament it means being rescued from eternal death or spiritual death. So it\u2019s a clear-cut analogy: eight people were saved from physical death \u201cthrough water\u201d on Noah\u2019s ark. Now, by analogy, we are saved through the waters of baptism, which \u201ccorrespond\u201d to the waters of the Flood.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">If baptism were intended as some sort of \u201cpledge of faithfulness,\u201d Scripture would say so. Instead, it is repeatedly referred to (including in key passages by Peter himself) as bringing salvation, regeneration, the Holy Spirit, and justification itself (Rom 6:7). Jason is simply doing more desperate eisegesis. It doesn\u2019t fly. His view is neither biblically plausible nor self-consistent.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Acts 19:2\u00a0only mentions faith.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">That\u2019s right, but it\u2019s just one verse. The original New Testament did not even <em>have<\/em> verses. When we consider context, the discussion immediately turns to baptism (19:3-4), then the people get baptized (19:5), which results in the reception of the Holy Spirit (19:6). Jason simply repeating that Acts 19:2 only mentions faith over and over proves or resolves absolutely nothing, as to the present dispute.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If you want us to believe that\u00a0Galatians 3:2,\u00a0Ephesians 1:13-14, and other passages are including baptism when they refer to faith, you need to argue for that position rather than just asserting it. . . .\u00a0We don\u2019t begin with a default assumption that references to belief include baptism. If you want baptism included, you carry the burden of proof.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">As explained, they don\u2019t <em>have<\/em> to mention baptism because it\u2019s mentioned (and very prominently in the whole scheme of salvation) in many <em>other<\/em> places. Not everything has to be noted in any one particular passage. But St. Paul does put both things (and sanctification) in one verse:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>1\u00a0<\/b><b>Corinthians 6:11<\/b>\u00a0And such were some of you. But you were\u00a0washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">If Paul can put them together in that passage, then it follows that he could very well be <em>presupposing<\/em> this in other passages, and he also connects them in Romans 6:4-5, where he directly connects baptism with waling \u201cin newness of life\u201d and being \u201cunited\u201d to Christ: both of which \u2014 I submit \u2014 are essentially synonyms of justification; and above all in Romans 6:7, where st. Paul leaves no room for doubt.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">It\u2019s not just a matter of faith coming before baptism. Rather, justification does as well. Cornelius\u2019 example and Paul\u2019s assumed soteriology in\u00a0Acts 19:2\u00a0involve the reception of the Spirit, the seal of adoption and justification, at the time of faith and prior to baptism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I don\u2019t know why Jason can\u2019t see the sequence of events around Acts 19:2. It\u2019s not rocket science. These people did <em>not<\/em> have the Spirit prior to baptism. It says that they were \u201cdisciples\u201d (19:1) and \u201cbelieved (19:2). But so were the original twelve disciples, and they did not have the Holy Spirit till a post-Resurrection appearance of Jesus (John 20:22). The text says that they were baptized, Paul laid his hands on them,\u00a0 and <strong><em>then<\/em><\/strong> \u201cthe Holy Spirit came on them\u201d (Acts 19:4-5). What is so hard to grasp about the chronology there? How is it that Jason gets it dead wrong? I find it perplexing, even given the usual, expected Protestant bias.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">That\u2019s why the Christians in Jerusalem, after hearing Peter mention Cornelius\u2019 reception of the Spirit without any mention of his baptism, respond by saying that Cornelius had been given eternal life (Acts 11:18).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He doesn\u2019t <em>have<\/em> to mention that they were baptized. In terms of Bible readers, that was already in the text at 10:47-48: just ten verses before. So Peter didn\u2019t happen to mention Cornelius\u2019 and the others\u2019 baptism; so what? Paul certainly mentioned his <em>own<\/em> when he recounted his conversion story, and said that the effect of it was to \u201cwash away [his] sins\u201d (Acts 22:16). So one apostle (by far the favorite of Protestants) mentioned it and the other didn\u2019t (but talks explicitly about it <em>elsewhere<\/em>). It\u2019s a wash, and of no particular significance for determining the correct theology of baptism and justification.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Moreover, if we want to talk about what gives eternal life, Jesus explicitly said also that it was receiving His Body and Blood in Holy Communion:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>John 6:48-51<\/b>\u00a0I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that\u00a0<em>a man may eat of it and not die<\/em>. I am the living bread which came down from heaven;\u00a0<em>if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever<\/em>; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>John 6:53-58<\/b>\u00a0So Jesus said to them, \u201cTruly, truly, I say to you,\u00a0<em>unless you eat the flesh\u00a0of the Son of man\u00a0and drink his blood, you have no life in you<\/em>; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood\u00a0<em>has eternal life<\/em>, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. <em>He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood\u00a0abides in me<\/em>, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so\u00a0<em>he who eats me will live because of me<\/em>. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died;\u00a0<em>he who eats this bread will live for ever.<\/em>\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is extremely plain and clear, yet I don\u2019t see Jason going around teaching that \u201cthe Bible says very plainly that the Eucharist gives eternal life.\u201d He doesn\u2019t even believe it. Nor does he believe the many passages clearly proclaiming that baptism regenerates and gives salvation. All he seems to care about are the ones that talk only about justification. He thinks \u2014 for some unknown reason \u2014 that he can avoid and ignore all of this <em>additional<\/em>\u00a0relevant biblical revelation about salvation because it doesn\u2019t harmonize with his man-made theology: devised in the 16th century after Jesus. But if he wants baptism and justification <em>directly<\/em> tied together, then we have Romans 6:7 and 1 Corinthians 6:11.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Peter goes on to use Cornelius as an example of a person whose heart had been cleansed through faith, demonstrated by his reception of the Spirit (Acts 15:7-11). Peter says nothing of baptism in that context, and the reception of the Spirit that confirmed Cornelius\u2019 justification occurred prior to his baptism. Besides, reception of the Spirit is normally associated with the beginning of the Christian life, so the description of what happened in\u00a0Acts 10:44-46\u00a0would be sufficient to support my conclusion even if we didn\u2019t have the further confirmation in Acts 11 and Acts 15.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Sometimes this is the case, and it is an \u201canomaly\u201d from the usual sequence: which we see in Acts 2 and Acts 19:1-6 and among the original twelve disciples, who were first baptized and later filled with the Spirit, and St. Paul, whose sins were forgiven by baptism. Yet, baptism was still <em>associated<\/em> with it in the same passage. It wasn\u2019t absent, let alone irrelevant. Whatever spiritual benefit accrued from having the Holy Spirit still needed to be supplemented by baptism, which the same Peter said was instrumental for forgiveness, salvation, and inclusion in the Church, the Body of Christ.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But the Holy Spirit could not have been the <em>end-all and be-all<\/em> of justification and salvation, since the disciples were healing and raising the dead and casting out demons even <em>before<\/em> they received Him (Mt 10:8; Lk 10:17). Even in the Old Testament, the prophet Micah said that he was \u201cfilled with power,\u00a0with the Spirit of the LORD\u201d (Mic 3:8) and King David, the \u201cman after\u201d God\u2019s<b>\u00a0<\/b>\u201cown heart\u201d (1 Sam 13:14)\u00a0 cried out to God after he had sinned, \u201cCast me not away from thy presence, and take not thy<b>\u00a0<\/b>holy Spirit\u00a0from me\u201d (Ps 51:11). God said about the prophet Jeremiah: \u201cbefore you were born I consecrated you;\u00a0I appointed you a prophet\u201d (Jer 1:5).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Noah clearly had an extra measure of grace and \u201cwas a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God\u201d (Gen 6:9). Enoch also \u201cwalked with God\u201d (Gen 5:24) and the New Testament says that he \u201cpleased God\u201d (Heb 11:5), as one of the heroes of faith. Job was described as \u201cblameless and upright, one who feared God, and turned away from evil\u201d (Job 1:1). The extraordinary faith and obedience of Abraham and Joseph and the prophets is well known. God also expressed such an internal divine presence, I believe, in talking about transforming people\u2019s hearts:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Deuteronomy 30:6\u00a0<\/strong>And the LORD your God will circumcise your<b>\u00a0<\/b>heart\u00a0and the\u00a0heart\u00a0of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with <span style=\"color: #008000;\">all your<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #008000;\">heart\u00a0<\/span>and with all your soul, that you may live.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 24:7<\/strong>\u00a0I will give them a<b>\u00a0<\/b>heart\u00a0to know that I am the LORD; and they shall be my people and I will be their God, for they shall return to me with their <span style=\"color: #008000;\">whole\u00a0heart<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 31:33<\/strong>\u00a0But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their<b>\u00a0<\/b><span style=\"color: #008000;\">hearts<\/span>; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Jeremiah 32:40\u00a0<\/strong>I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them; and I will put the fear of me in their<b>\u00a0<\/b><span style=\"color: #008000;\">hearts<\/span>, that they may not turn from me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Ezekiel 11:19<\/strong>\u00a0And I will give them <span style=\"color: #008000;\">one<b>\u00a0<\/b>heart<\/span>, and put a new spirit within them; I will take the stony\u00a0heart\u00a0out of their flesh and give them a\u00a0<span style=\"color: #008000;\">heart\u00a0of flesh<\/span>, (cf. 18:31: \u201d\u00a0get yourselves a <span style=\"color: #008000;\">new<b>\u00a0<\/b>heart\u00a0<\/span>and a new spirit!\u201d)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In this sense, selective, anomalous instances of people receiving the Holy Spirit before baptism are not much greater than (perhaps even lesser than) these instances of old covenant \u201cheart renewal\u201d so to speak.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800080;\">Related Reading<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblicalcatholic.com\/apologetics\/num2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Born Again: Baptism in the Early Fathers<\/a> (<em>Evangelical Catholic Apologetics<\/em>)<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"https:\/\/actheologian.com\/2017\/01\/11\/church-fathers-on-baptism\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Church Fathers on\u00a0Baptism<\/a> (<em>Armchair Theologian<\/em>; Lutheran site)<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"https:\/\/www.calledtocommunion.com\/2010\/06\/the-church-fathers-on-baptismal-regeneration\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Church Fathers on Baptismal Regeneration<\/a> (Bryan Cross, <em>Called to Communion<\/em>)<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Photo credit:\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><i>Vision of Cornelius the Centurion <\/i>(1664), by\u00a0Gerbrand van den Eeckhout (1621-1674)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Gerbrand_van_den_Eeckhout_-_Vision_of_Cornelius_the_Centurion_-_Walters_372492.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is my reply to Jason Engwer\u2019s article, \u201cBaptismal Justification\u201d (12-20-09), which was a portion of a larger discussion he was having with Catholic apologist Bryan Cross. His words will be in blue. *** As an introductory statement, I would emphasize that the Bible and Catholicism teach both justification by grace through faith and baptismal [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":48529,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[231,314,50],"tags":[315,11189,11186,1461,1482,238,2342,244,1471,1123,316,1120,1122,1500,2344,6330,1124,1210,2341,1118,2343,1586,243],"class_list":["post-48520","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anti-catholicism","category-baptism-and-sacramentalism","category-salvation-justification","tag-baptism","tag-baptism-grace","tag-baptism-justification","tag-baptismal-regeneration","tag-catholic-soteriology","tag-faith","tag-faith-alone","tag-grace","tag-grace-alone","tag-imputed-justification","tag-infant-baptism","tag-infused-justification","tag-initial-justification","tag-jason-engwer","tag-justification","tag-justification-by-faith","tag-justification-by-faith-alone","tag-merit","tag-salvation","tag-sanctification","tag-sola-fide","tag-sola-gratia","tag-soteriology-2"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Baptismal Regeneration and Justification (vs. Jason Engwer) Baptismal Regeneration and Justification (vs. Jason Engwer)<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"This is my reply to Jason Engwer&#039;s article, &quot;Baptismal Justification&quot; (12-20-09), which was a portion of a larger discussion he was having with Catholic Protestant anti-Catholic Jason Engwer argues that baptism is separate from justification and regeneration and is for adult believers only. 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