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\"Cover<\/a><\/p>\n

My book (2013, 395 pages; available<\/span> for<\/span> as low as $1.99<\/a>).<\/span><\/p>\n

* * * * *<\/p>\n

James White<\/a> is the most influential anti-Catholic polemicist today. He\u2019s written a ton of books<\/a> (though not all about Catholicism), does lots of oral debates<\/a>, and has had a website for some 20 years now. Hang around anti-Catholics much and you\u2019ll hear his name pretty soon, and often. He\u2019s their big champion. The anti-Catholic<\/a> is one who thinks that Catholicism is not a species of Christianity; that one cannot be saved while being a good Catholic (accepting all that the Church teaches). One can be saved, however (so they tell us) by being a \u201cbad Catholic\u201d (i.e., picking and choosing Catholic doctrines).<\/p>\n

In 1995 I ran across his name in a directory of cult researchers (that I was also listed in, since specializing in cults was one of my first major apologetics projects). I discovered that he was anti-Catholic, along with some others in the book, and so decided to write a form letter to several, about the issue (snail mail; I was not yet on the Internet). He responded back with a lengthy letter, to which I replied very fully. Then he wrote back again, in a far more acerbic tone, and I replied with a 36-page, single-spaced letter. At that point he resorted to severe personal insult and ceased the debate altogether. This all occurred in March-May 1995. I have the hard copies of the typewritten replies he sent me in my possession.<\/p>\n

This was the most in-depth writing I have ever done concerning the fundamental question of the Christian status of Catholicism. I\u2019ve never been able to get an anti-Catholic to fully deal with the issue, in an honest debate. In fact, in 2007, I was so tired of trying to get into such a discussion, that I challenged six or seven prominent anti-Catholics (including Mr. White) to a \u201clive chat\u201d debate on the question. They all refused: most of them with rank insults. Because of that, I decided that I would no longer seek\u00a0to engage anti-Catholics in theological debate (apart from very few exceptions), since they refused to grapple with the root issue of what Christianity is, and why they think Catholicism isn\u2019t Christian. One can\u2019t really have a true dialogue until fundamental differences are addressed.<\/p>\n

Ever since 1995, White would occasionally critique something of mine: especially from my books or radio interviews. It was always the same: he started out with ostensible argument. I refuted what he wrote, then he came back with personal insults. It never went more than one round. He\u2019s simply not interested in real, substantive debate, where the two parties actually interact<\/em> with each other\u2019s arguments. In his oral debates, he merely preaches his message, and obfuscates and spins and special pleads regarding whatever the other guy says. We\u2019ve had exactly one \u201clive chat\u201d debate<\/a>, which took place in his venue on 29 December 2000: about Mary and the Church fathers. I immediately\u00a0posted it on my site. He never has. He\u2019s never posted or linked to this<\/em> debate, either, whereas I have had it on my site for 19 years running.<\/p>\n

My other interactions with Mr. White\u00a0can be read on my web page devoted to him<\/a>, and also in my 400-page book that collects the major \u201cexchanges\u201d<\/a> (if we can even call<\/em> them that. They were mostly my refutations and his insults back or heading for the hills).<\/p>\n

The \u201csnail mail debate\u201d I link to below takes up 103 pages in my book devoted to Mr. White. Needless to say, he has utterly ignored the book: never said a word about it, ever (that I am aware of). I can fully understand why . . .<\/p>\n

My good friend Phil Porvaznik has posted the entire debate <\/a>in neat, presentable html-linked form on one web page on his site. Enjoy!<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

My book (2013, 395 pages; available for as low as $1.99). * * * * * James White is the most influential anti-Catholic polemicist today. He\u2019s written a ton of books (though not all about Catholicism), does lots of oral debates, and has had a website for some 20 years now. Hang around anti-Catholics much […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":4903,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[231,131,1068],"tags":[855,2361,2366],"class_list":["post-4902","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anti-catholicism","category-church-ecclesiology","category-james-white","tag-anti-catholic","tag-anti-catholicism","tag-james-white"],"yoast_head":"\nAre Catholics Christians? Is Catholicism Christian? 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