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These comments and my replies occurred underneath my article, \u201cThe Absurdity of Claiming That the Mass is Idolatrous\u201d<\/a> (National Catholic Register<\/em>, 6-17-19). I originally posted it exactly a year ago today on Facebook (6-22-19). Words of my critic (whose nick was \u201cCasting Crowns\u201d) will be in blue<\/span>.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Hey Dave, I typically find converts like yourself to be among the most militant. Your articles seemingly have a propensity to cast all denominational and non denominational Protestants into one category. Please lighten up. You need not have to keep justifying your conversion to the Catholic church.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Simply because one Protestant writer claims the Mass is idolatrous is no reason for you to indict all Christian people not of the Catholic doctrine. Some of the most godly Christian people I know have never expressed their view of the Mass to be idolatry.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Dave, a word to the wise. Stop looking for arguments that keep dividing followers of Christ and focus more on areas of which unite us. You would thus be doing the work of the Lord. Right now, I don\u2019t think you are.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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It might help if his articles attempted to find more unity in the essentials of faith in Jesus Christ. You will, after all, recall in the gospel that Jesus had to correct his own 12 apostles about this same attitude of \u201cus versus them.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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[2nd comment by the same person] My point is that Dave Armstrong frequently has articles highlighting division between Catholics and other Christians. Mr. Armstrong is a convert. No problem with that. However, he seems predisposed and obsessed to center on why his conversion is correct while other Christian people are not just wrong\u2014- but bigoted against Catholicism. Personally that is not my experience with non-Catholic Christians I know of. I am just a bit tired of his bias.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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You obviously are dimly acquainted with the full range of my writings: particularly the more ecumenical ones:<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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My Respect for Protestants \/ Catholic Ecumenical Principles<\/a> [2001; addendum: 1-8-03]<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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My Conversion: Not Due to Hostility to Evangelicalism<\/a> [9-9-06]<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Common Ground<\/em>: An Exciting Ecumenical Venture (DVD and Book) I\u2019m Privileged to Have Been Part Of<\/a> [6-3-07; updated on 1-21-10, at Internet Archive]<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Reply to Michael Spencer\u2019s \u201cFive Questions For Roman Catholics\u201d<\/a> [9-26-07]<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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+ many many more along these lines<\/a>. I even have papers defending John Calvin<\/a> and Martin Luther<\/a> against scurrilous charges. Not all Protestants accuse us of idolatry, as I noted, but it is not all that uncommon, either, even in mainstream Protestantism. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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After all, John Calvin in his Institutes<\/em>\u00a0repeated it over and over; so does the Lutheran Book of Concord (binding on Lutherans): which compared the Mass to \u201cworship of Baal.\u201d The Anglicans also have something similar in their creeds, no doubt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Photo credit:<\/strong> one of my more obvious ecumenical efforts is this book in which I collected citations from Martin Luther where he agreed with Catholics.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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