{"id":50246,"date":"2020-08-12T10:05:39","date_gmt":"2020-08-12T14:05:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=50246"},"modified":"2020-08-12T11:22:19","modified_gmt":"2020-08-12T15:22:19","slug":"defense-of-bible-passages-vs-eternal-security-faith-alone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/08\/defense-of-bible-passages-vs-eternal-security-faith-alone.html","title":{"rendered":"Defense of Bible Passages vs. Eternal Security &#038; Faith Alone"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>vs. Anti-Catholic Protestant Apologist Jason Engwer<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-50257\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/08\/Abraham2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"673\" height=\"599\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jason wrote an article (late 90s) entitled, <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/19990223201433\/http:\/\/members.aol.com\/jasonte2\/eternal.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cA Response to Passages of Scripture Often Cited in Opposition to Salvation Through Faith Alone and Eternal Security.\u201d<\/a> In it he critiques the passages from theological opponents that (in our opinion) prove eternal security to be a false doctrine. E for effort and a certain sort of sophistical cleverness, but ultimately his reasoning fails, as always, when he attempts to war against Catholicism. This is my counter-reply. His words will be in blue. I will post the entire Bible passages (not included in his article) in black, indented (RSV).<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">*****<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Matthew 7:21-23<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 These people were never saved. Jesus says that He\u00a0<em>never<\/em>\u00a0knew them. They couldn\u2019t have lost a salvation they didn\u2019t have.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cNot every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,\u2019 shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.\u00a0[22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?\u2019\u00a0[23] And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.\u2019<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The main point is that those who claim the name of Christ but don\u2019t follow His <em>commands<\/em> (i.e., do good works) \u2014 combined with faith by His grace \u2014 are not and cannot be saved. He condemns falsely claimed works but at the same time affirms good works (\u201cdoes the will of my Father\u201d); i.e., <em>doing<\/em> as well as merely <em>saying words<\/em>. There are indeed certain folks that He never knew, that were <em>never<\/em> saved or in His good graces at <em>any<\/em> time (just as in the parable of the sower). But this doesn\u2019t (logically or theologically) rule out another category of those who <em>were<\/em> in such a good state and<em> forsook<\/em> it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The context provides further insight. In 7:15-20, Jesus warns against false prophets. How do we<em> know<\/em> they are false? \u201cBy their fruits\u201d (7:16, 20): again, <em>good<\/em>\u00a0<em>works<\/em> as the manifestation of genuine faith. In 7:24-27 He makes the analogy of building a house on a foundation of rock rather than sand. \u201cHouse\u201d in this analogy is salvation. The house built on rock stands; i.e., the salvation is genuine and permanent. But the house built on sand \u201cfell; and great was the fall of it\u201d (7:27). It seems clear to me that the house falling, by analogy, refers to falling away from salvation. The man once \u201chad\u201d the house, then he no longer did.\u00a0 Therefore, Jesus refutes eternal security.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Matthew 25:31-46<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Jesus doesn\u2019t say that these people were saved through works. The works of the sheep reflect a regenerated heart (2 Corinthians 5:17), and are the\u00a0<em>result<\/em>\u00a0of salvation (Ephesians 2:10), but they aren\u2019t the\u00a0<em>means<\/em>\u00a0of salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). The sheep became sheep through faith (Acts 15:9),\u00a0<em>then<\/em>\u00a0behaved as sheep. There are lost people who feed the hungry, visit people in prison, etc. And there are saved people who don\u2019t do any of that (Luke 23:39-43, 1 Corinthians 3:15). What Jesus is addressing in Matthew 25 is the\u00a0<em>general<\/em>\u00a0contrast between the lives of the regenerate and the lives of the unregenerate at the time of His second coming. He\u2019s not teaching salvation through works.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cWhen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.\u00a0[32] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,\u00a0[33] and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left.\u00a0[34] Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;\u00a0[35] for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,\u00a0[36] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.\u2019\u00a0[37] Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink?\u00a0[38] And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee?\u00a0[39] And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?\u2019\u00a0[40] And the King will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.\u2019\u00a0[41] Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;\u00a0[42] for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,\u00a0[43] I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.\u2019\u00a0[44] Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?\u2019\u00a0[45] Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.\u2019\u00a0[46] And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We agree that He\u2019s not teaching salvation by works, which is the heresy of Pelagianism.\u00a0 But He is teaching salvation that cannot be obtained <em>without<\/em> good works (enabled and wrought always in His grace). The ultimate means of salvation are, of course, Jesus\u2019 death on the cross and God\u2019s grace, sufficient to reconcile us with Him. We agree again with our Protestant brethren about that. The passage is remarkable in that it never mentions faith in Jesus as the sole (?) key to salvation. And that\u2019s because the strict (almost or sometimes actually antinomian) \u201cfaith alone\u201d position is not biblical at all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The key to interpreting the above passage is the word \u201cfor\u201d in both verses 35 and 42. Jesus is saying, in effect, \u201cyou are saved and will go to heaven [or hell], for you <em>did<\/em> these good works: x, y, z [or did <em>not<\/em> do them].\u201d He makes it a <em>directly causal relationship<\/em>. \u201cFor\u201d can only plausibly be interpreted, I submit, by giving it the meaning of \u201cbecause.\u201d In other words, in the overall context of biblical soteriology, it means, \u201cyou proved that you have a genuine faith by your good works; therefore you are rewarded with eternal life.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Luke 18:18-25<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Jesus had just taught salvation apart from works (Luke 18:10-14). He doesn\u2019t contradict Himself in the conversation that follows with the rich young ruler. To the contrary, the conversation is a further illustration of what Jesus had taught in verses 10-14. The rich young ruler, like the Pharisee mentioned a few verses earlier, expected to be saved through works. He thought he had kept all of God\u2019s commandments throughout his life (Luke 18:21), though he obviously hadn\u2019t (Romans 3:9-23). As Jesus told him,\u00a0<em>only<\/em>\u00a0God is good (Luke 18:19). Since this man thought that he was good enough to attain eternal life through works, however, Jesus revealed the man\u2019s imperfection by commanding him to do a work that he then refused to do (Luke 18:22-23). The disciples asked who, then, could be saved (Luke 18:26). If the rich young ruler couldn\u2019t be saved, despite claiming to have kept all of God\u2019s commandments throughout his life, how could anybody be saved? Jesus explains that what\u2019s impossible with men is possible with God (Luke 18:27). He was reaffirming what He had taught in verses 10-14.\u00a0<em>God justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5-6).<\/em>\u00a0A tax collector who relies only on the mercy of God is saved, while a Pharisee and a rich young ruler who try to attain eternal life through works are lost (Romans 9:30-10:4). Rather than supporting salvation through works, the conversation with the rich young ruler is more evidence of the hopelessness of trying to be saved through works. To be saved through works, a person would have to perfectly fulfill God\u2019s laws for all of his life (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10), and nobody does that (Romans 3:9-23, Galatians 3:22, James 3:2). Only Christ perfectly obeyed God throughout His life. Only Christ is good (Luke 18:19). Only His righteousness, accepted as a free gift through faith, apart from works (Romans 3:21-24, 4:5-6, 5:16-17), can justify.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[rich young ruler story] And a ruler asked him, \u201cGood Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?\u201d\u00a0[19] And Jesus said to him, \u201cWhy do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.\u00a0[20] You know the commandments: `Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'\u201d\u00a0[21] And he said, \u201cAll these I have observed from my youth.\u201d\u00a0[22] And when Jesus heard it, he said to him, \u201cOne thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.\u201d\u00a0[23] But when he heard this he became sad, for he was very rich.\u00a0[24] Jesus looking at him said, \u201cHow hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!\u00a0[25] For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I love this example, because it <em>totally<\/em> goes against Protestant soteriology, as I have<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/jesus-vs-faith-alone-rich-young-ruler.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">written about<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">(in fact,<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/dialogue-rich-young-ruler-good-works.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">two times<\/a>). <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jesus wasn\u2019t condemning works per se in 18:10-14, but rather, <em>pride<\/em> in works or <em>self-righteousness<\/em>, which was the Pharisees\u2019 main fault. Jason simply reads that into it (eisegesis), because it\u2019s what he <em>wants<\/em> to see, according to his mistaken theology in this respect. Jesus didn\u2019t run down good works (\u201ccommandments\u201d) at all. He was directly asked how one obtains eternal life. So what does He mention <em>first<\/em>? Faith alone? Nope: He inquires as to whether he kept the <em>commandments<\/em>. Jesus\u2019 answer is more straightforward and explicit in the version in Matthew (\u201cIf you would enter life, keep the commandments\u201d: 19:17). That was His first answer as to how a human being can be saved.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jason contradicts himself by saying, \u201c<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Since this man thought that he was good enough to attain eternal life through works, however, Jesus revealed the man\u2019s imperfection by commanding him to do a work . . .\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">If the ruler thought that works saved him, why didn\u2019t Jesus start talking about faith, rather than another work? It makes no sense. The whole passage only makes sense within a Catholic or Orthodox paradigm. This particular person (not <em>all<\/em> rich people) idolized his riches; therefore it was necessary for him not just to have faith, but additionally to yield up his idolatry and to give up his riches.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">No one denies that we can\u2019t save ourselves (contra Pelagianism again). Jesus, in saying, \u201c\u201dWhat is impossible with men is possible with God\u201d (18:27) is simply noting that God\u2019s grace can make all kinds of \u201cimpossible\u201d things possible. That\u2019s not running down works, but rather, asserting God\u2019s providence and power. Jesus didn\u2019t <em>say<\/em><\/span> \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">a Pharisee and a rich young ruler who try to attain eternal life through works are lost\u201d. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">That\u2019s putting words in His mouth. To the contrary, Jesus asserted that if the ruler sold all he had, he would \u201d have treasure in heaven\u201d (meaning that he would be <em>saved<\/em>, which is proven by his being in heaven at all). And remember, the original question was, \u201cwhat shall I do to inherit eternal life?\u201d Jesus\u2019 answer was, 1) keep the commandments, and 2) sell all that you have (two instances of good works). The word \u201cfaith\u201d is never mentioned.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Moreover, Jesus again emphasizes the necessity of good works in the following passage: \u201cTruly, I say to you, there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God,\u00a0[30] who will not receive manifold more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life\u201d (18:29-30). They did stuff and received eternal life because they did it. Again, I think grace and faith are implied and are present in the whole equation, based on many other passages, but the works clearly play a key and indispensable role, <em>too<\/em>. It\u2019s not \u201csalvation by works\u201d but rather, \u201csalvation by grace and faith, which inevitably manifests itself through required good works.\u201d <strong><em>That<\/em><\/strong> is the biblical, Pauline, and Catholic position (summarized).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Romans 2:7<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Those who perfectly fulfill God\u2019s laws will live eternally, as Paul explains. However, he goes on in chapter 3 to explain that nobody lives up to that standard. Everybody falls short (Romans 3:9-23). As he writes in Galatians 3:22,\u00a0<em>all<\/em>\u00a0men have been shut up under sin. God\u2019s laws are meant to be a tutor to lead us to salvation through faith in Christ (Galatians 3:21-25). Those who try to attain eternal life by following all of God\u2019s laws will fail, and they\u2019ll be rejecting the perfect righteousness of Christ in favor of their own imperfect righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6, Romans 9:30-10:4, Philippians 3:9). As Paul explains in Romans 2:12, everybody who sins is lost. And nobody is without sin. This is why those who are saved must be saved\u00a0<em>by grace<\/em>\u00a0(Romans 4:4, 4:16) as a\u00a0<em>free gift\u00a0<\/em>(Romans 3:24, 5:16-17, 6:23), not as a reward attained through works. Anybody who is so deceived as to think that he\u2019s living up to the standards of Romans 2 should go on to chapter 3 to be undeceived.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Once again, \u201cwell-doing\u201d is directly tied to \u201ceternal life.\u201d How could it be any more clear than <em>that<\/em>: that faith alone is nonsense, and manifestly unbiblical? I have found no less than<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/final-judgment-works-not-faith-50-passages.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">fifty biblical instances<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">of this same dynamic. As fully expected, Jason skips over 2:13: \u201d\u00a0For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the <strong><em>doers<\/em><\/strong> of the law who will be justified,\u201d and 2:6: \u201cFor he will render to every man according to his <em><strong>works<\/strong><\/em>:\u201d because they don\u2019t fit very well at all into Protestant theology and false traditions. 2:8 notes that \u201cthere will be wrath and fury\u201d for those who \u201cdo not <strong><em>obey<\/em><\/strong> the truth\u201d (not just refuse to <em>believe<\/em> it in their head). 2:9 tells us that \u201cevery human being who <strong><em>does<\/em><\/strong> evil\u201d will suffer (perhaps implied damnation?), while God honors \u201cevery one who <strong><em>does<\/em><\/strong> good\u201d (2:10).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It\u2019s works works works all through the passage. Jason blithely ignores and passes over this, which is his classic methodology: simply ignore what you can\u2019t explain as if it wasn\u2019t <em>there<\/em>. But it <em>is<\/em> there, and it\u2019s there for a<em> reason<\/em>. All he can do is play \u201cBible hopscotch\u201d and bring in many other passages (\u201cpet\u201d Protestant verses), rather than honestly address the one passage before him at the moment. When he does make arguments, it\u2019s a <em>non sequitur<\/em>, because we already agree with him that <em>works alone salvation<\/em> is every bit as false as <em>faith alone salvation<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Romans 11:22<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 The context is a discussion of Jews and Gentiles in the plan of God. Paul isn\u2019t saying that individual Christians can lose their salvation. That would contradict what Paul says repeatedly elsewhere, including in Romans (Romans 5:9, 8:30). Paul is referring to the Gentiles as a group. They could fall out of God\u2019s favor, just as the Jews had.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God\u2019s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I agree that he is talking primarily about groups (Jews and Gentiles) and \u201ccommunal salvation,\u201d so to speak, and that this is by no means a strong argument against eternal security of individuals. That said, it\u2019s still, nonetheless, the same general notion that groups (like individuals) can possess salvation and then lose it (\u201cthose who have fallen\u201d \/ \u201ccut off\u201d). It\u2019s not instant (as shown by the words, \u201cprovided you <em>continue<\/em> . . .\u201d). The passage is also reminiscent of Jesus\u2019 sayings about individuals who will be \u201ccut down\u201d and damned if they fail to produce \u201cfruit\u201d:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Matthew 3:10<\/strong>\u00a0Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown<b>\u00a0<\/b>into the fire. (cf. Lk 3:9, exactly the same)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Matthew 7:19<\/strong>\u00a0Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown<b>\u00a0<\/b>into the fire.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>1 Corinthians 9:24-27<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Paul is discussing rewards and setting an example for others to follow. He\u2019s not discussing how to attain eternal life. As he explained earlier in the epistle (1 Corinthians 3:11-15), how a Christian lives his life will determine rewards\u00a0<em>in<\/em>\u00a0Heaven, but not entrance\u00a0<em>to<\/em>\u00a0Heaven. Paul was sure of his own future in Heaven (Romans 5:9, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Philippians 1:21-23, 3:20-21, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 2 Timothy 4:18), and he was also sure that the Corinthian believers would always be saved (1 Corinthians 1:8). To assume that Paul is referring to attaining eternal life in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 is speculative, and is contrary to other passages of scripture.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it.\u00a0[25] Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.\u00a0[26] Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air;\u00a0[27] but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jason claims, \u201c<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">He\u2019s not discussing how to attain eternal life.\u201d<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> This is untrue. He refers to an \u201cimperishable\u201d wreath. That\u2019s eternal life, that never ends, or at the very least, eternal rewards that come as a result of having been saved. Being \u201cdisqualified\u201d is a rather obvious reference to possible loss of salvation, if we don\u2019t persevere. Salvation is also evident in context, with references to winning men (i.e., playing an instrumental role in helping them to become saved: five times in 9:19-22). He refers to preaching the \u201cgospel\u201d (9:14, 16, 18, 23). That has to do with salvation, folks. No Protestant can deny it. And he writes, \u201cthat I might by all means save some\u201d (9:22). It\u2019s all salvation. And it can be lost: so teaches St. Paul: the greatest evangelist of all time.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Romans 5:9 and its surrounding context is a general statement about salvation, as opposed to being about Paul\u2019s <em>own<\/em> salvation. 2 Corinthians 5:1-8 is of a similar nature. And the context includes reference to altogether necessary works (as always in Paul): \u201cwe make it our aim to please him\u201d (5:9), \u201cso that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has <strong><em>done<\/em><\/strong> in the body\u201d (5:10). Paul writes in Philippians 1:20: \u201cit is my eager expectation and hope that I shall not be at all ashamed . . .\u201d That\u2019s not absolute assurance. The word \u201chope\u201d is about things not yet surely or certainly attained. If I say that \u201cI hope to get a ten-speed for Christmas\u201d I don\u2019t have absolute assurance that I will. See Paul\u2019s<a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=hope&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> many other uses<\/a> of the word \u201chope.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Philippians 3:20-21 is another general soteriological statement, not a personal one only about Paul, as is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. 2 Timothy 4:18 is about as good a proof as the eternal security proponent can submit, but I would say that it\u2019s written by Paul just before the end of his life, so he can be fairly assured that he will be saved, as an apostle. That\u2019s a lot different from a 20-year-old claiming that he will always persevere and never ever fall away from the faith. He or she simply can\u2019t say that because they don\u2019t know the future. An apostle near the end of his life is a whole different ballgame.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1 Corinthians 1:8 is another general statement about an entire church, not each and every individual in it. It has to be understood in conjunction with 1 Corinthians 10:12, about individuals: \u201cTherefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Galatians 5:19-21<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Paul is addressing the\u00a0<em>general<\/em>\u00a0differences between the unregenerate life and the regenerate life. Not all unbelievers bear all of the fruit of the flesh that Paul mentions, and not all believers bear all of the fruit of the Spirit that Paul mentions. Paul is addressing\u00a0<em>lifestyles<\/em>, not individual actions that would cause a Christian to lose salvation. The same is true of similar passages (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Ephesians 5:5-6). Paul is describing the\u00a0<em>lifestyle<\/em>\u00a0of the unregenerate, and is telling believers not to partake of that fruit of the flesh (1 Corinthians 6:11, Ephesians 5:7). The unregenerate who\u00a0<em>practice<\/em>\u00a0such things as a lifestyle are proving that they\u2019re lost. Paul isn\u2019t saying that a Christian who sometimes commits some of those sins will lose his salvation. To the contrary, the list in Galatians 5, for example, includes just about every sin that can be committed, if not every sin. If Galatians 5 was teaching that Christians would lose their salvation by committing those sins, then salvation would be lost every time a sin is committed. But Christians can sin, yet still be saved. 1 Corinthians 3:1-3, for example, tells us that the Corinthians were committing some of the sins listed in Galatians 5,\u00a0<em>yet they were still saved.<\/em>\u00a0They were \u201cbabes in Christ\u201d, but were\u00a0<em>in Christ<\/em>\u00a0nonetheless.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness,\u00a0[20] idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit,\u00a0[21] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Why warn them about the possibility of not \u201cinherit[ing] the kingdom of God\u201d if they are in no danger whatsoever of<em> losing<\/em> it? That makes no\u00a0 sense. I do agree that this is addressing lifestyles in general terms. But then, why does Paul use the word \u201cwarn\u201d if it didn\u2019t <em>also<\/em> apply to real potential danger in the spiritual lives of his Galatian recipients? The early part of the chapter makes it <em>crystal clear<\/em> that a Christian can fall away from the faith:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Galatians 5:1-2, 4<\/strong> For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. . . .\u00a0[3] I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law.\u00a0[4] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">How does Jason deal with <em>that<\/em> data? Well, true to form, he doesn\u2019t. He simply ignores it and plays Bible hopscotch again. But in order to be <em>honest<\/em> with the text, he can\u2019t run from it and only pick and choose what he likes. He brings up Ephesians 5:5-6:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Ephesians 5:5-6<\/strong> Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.\u00a0[6] Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Yeah, I agree that it is a \u201cgeneral\u201d observation. <strong><em>But<\/em><\/strong> (precisely as in Gal 5:19-21), Paul makes also a direct connection to the Ephesians, whom he addresses collectively as \u201cthe saints who are also faithful in Christ Jesus\u201d (1:1):<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Ephesians 5:3\u00a0<\/strong>But fornication and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In other words, he says that [habitual \/ \u201clifestyle\u201d] fornication can lead one to hell (general statement), but he also warns the Ephesian Christians not to fall into the sin. If they do \u2014 the implication is clear \u2014 they put themselves in danger of damnation. I don\u2019t see how all of this data taken together can have any other plausible interpretation. Jason remarks, \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If Galatians 5 was teaching that Christians would lose their salvation by committing those sins, then salvation would be lost every time a sin is committed.\u201d <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But that\u2019s not the<em> point<\/em>. The point is that even Christians can fall and descend into habitual \/ lifestyle sin (we\u2019re not talking about momentary lapses; repented of), and that if they <em>do<\/em>, they are in just as much danger of hell as the ones who never were Christians; maybe <em>more<\/em> so, on the biblical principle of \u201cEvery one to whom<b>\u00a0<\/b>much is given, of him will much be required\u201d (Lk 12:48).<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Philippians 2:12<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 The context is about trials in the Christian life, so Paul may not even be referring to salvation of the soul. Even if he is referring to the attaining of eternal life, Paul tells the Philippians to work\u00a0<em>out<\/em>\u00a0their salvation, not to work\u00a0<em>for<\/em>\u00a0their salvation. Works are the fruit of salvation (Ephesians 2:10), not the means of attaining it (Ephesians 2:8-9). Why does Paul refer to fear and trembling, then? Even for those who are\u00a0<em>already saved<\/em>, standing before God is a fearful thing (2 Corinthians 5:10-11). Works aren\u2019t a means of salvation, but we are accountable to God for the works we do after salvation (1 Corinthians 3:11-15).<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Quite obviously, salvation is a persevering process, involving our cooperation with God\u2019s grace and possible loss. Jason can try to spin and obfuscate the clear meaning all he likes, but he won\u2019t succeed. He plays the sophist by Clintonian-like parsing words (\u201cout\u201d and \u201cfor\u201d), but how could, for example, St. Peter say, \u201cSave yourselves from this crooked generation\u201d (Acts 2:40), or write elsewhere, \u201cso that some [husbands], though they do not obey the word, may be<b>\u00a0<\/b>won\u00a0without a word by the behavior of their wives\u201d (1 Pet 3:1)? There is obviously profound human cooperation with God and good works in all these instances.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Paul isn\u2019t talking about merely standing before God and being understandably awed and scared, but about \u201csalvation,\u201d which is why he used the word. <em>Duh<\/em>! This ain\u2019t rocket science.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Philippians 3:10-12<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Paul is referring to persevering in the Christian life. He just explained that he was relying on the righteousness of Christ given through faith (Philippians 3:9), not a righteousness of his own. He goes on to refer to his and his readers\u2019 future in Heaven (Philippians 3:20-21). He commented earlier that he would go to be with Christ when he died (Philippians 1:21-23). It\u2019s untenable to argue that, in the midst of all of this, Paul was teaching salvation through works in Philippians 3:10-12. That would be a contradiction of what he had just written about being justified by a righteousness not his own. It would be a contradiction of his repeated references to being sure of his future in Heaven. The resurrection he speaks of attaining in verse 11 probably is a reference to Christ\u2019s resurrection power, as mentioned in verse 10. He can\u2019t be referring to attaining eternal life through works, since he explains in 1:21-23 and 3:20-21 that he\u2019s\u00a0<em>already<\/em>\u00a0sure of his future in Heaven. In other words, Paul seems to be referring in 3:11 to living as victoriously as Christ had lived. It\u2019s a continuation of what he referred to in verse 10. The resurrection was the crowning achievement of Christ\u2019s life, and Paul hadn\u2019t yet attained to that perfection (Philippians 3:12). What Paul was working for was the \u201cupward call of God in Christ Jesus\u201d (Philippians 3:14). Paul is addressing\u00a0<em>sanctification<\/em>\u00a0in Philippians 3:10-12, not\u00a0<em>justification<\/em>. He\u2019s addressing perseverance in the Christian life, not how to attain salvation.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,\u00a0[11] that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.\u00a0[12]\u00a0Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">How can it be merely \u201c<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">persevering in the Christian life\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">when Paul makes reference to becoming like Jesus in \u201cdeath\u201d and \u201cthe resurrection from the dead\u201d? Jason becomes flat-out desperate to vainly explain away clear meanings. Yes, of course salvation is through \u201cfaith\u201d and not the \u201claw\u201d (3:9). Once again, Jason wars against straw men, but it\u2019s par for the course in these discussions (to the endless frustration of the Catholic participant, including myself). On the other hand, works are fully in view as part of the whole package (\u201cI have suffered the loss of all things, . . . in order that I may gain Christ\u201d: 3:8 \/ \u201cstraining forward\u201d: 3:13 \/ \u201cI press on toward the goal\u201d: 3:14 \/ \u201cWhat you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do\u201d: 4:9). The word \u201cfaith\u201d (as opposed to \u201cthe faith\u201d: which means doctrines: see 1:5), appears only four times in Paul\u2019s entire epistle.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">As I wrote above,<\/span> \u201c<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Philippians 3:20-21 is another general soteriological statement, not a personal one only about Paul.\u201d It\u2019s true (and I freely grant it) that 1:21-23 does indeed sound very assured (and there are several other passages like that), but the thing is, we can\u2019t just collect Bible passages that \u201csound\u201d like one thing and ignore others that are of a different nature. We have to incorporate<em> all<\/em> of them into a harmonious whole. I think Catholic theology (with its \u201cboth\/and\u201d outlook) quite adequately does that, whereas Protestant theology (more \u201ceither\/or\u201d in nature and filled with false dichotomies) is incoherent and full of holes, due largely to its tendency to deliberately (almost cynically) avoid large portions of Scripture: \u201cpegs\u201d that don\u2019t fit into the Protestant \u201chole.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Once again, Jason special pleads at the end. Paul is simply <em>not<\/em> talking about sanctification, but rather, eschatological salvation, because the words<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cdeath\u201d and \u201cthe resurrection from the dead\u201d can only refer to that and have <em>nothing<\/em> to do with earthly sanctification. To make it even more obvious, what he is talking about, so that no one can misunderstand it, Paul ends the chapter by writing, \u201c. . .\u00a0our commonwealth is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,\u00a0who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body . . .\u201d (3:20-21). How this somehow only refers to sanctification on earth, as opposed to salvation in heaven, Jason would have to explain, and he\u2019s not likely to ever <em>reply<\/em> to this paper. One can only stretch things so far without becoming absurd.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Hebrews 6:4-6<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 If salvation could be lost, if Christ\u2019s sacrifice wasn\u2019t enough to atone for all sins, there would be no possibility of being saved a second time (Hebrews 6:6). Some people were considering a return to the animal sacrifices of the old covenant, but if Christ\u2019s sacrifice wasn\u2019t enough to atone for all sins, no other sacrifice would be enough either. Rather than contradicting eternal security, Hebrews 6:4-6 affirms it. Christ\u2019s work is sufficient to atone for all sins. People cannot be repeatedly lost and saved. They\u2019re either saved once and forever or they aren\u2019t saved at all. In verse 9, not falling away is described as a \u201cthing that accompanies salvation\u201d, once again affirming eternal security. \u201cThough we thus speak\u201d in verse 9 is a reference to verses 4-6 having been hypothetical. Nobody actually loses salvation. The point is that if salvation wasn\u2019t secure in Christ, it wouldn\u2019t be secure anywhere. Looking for salvation in a return to animal sacrifices is hopeless, as is looking for salvation through works.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,\u00a0[5] and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,\u00a0[6] if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now we\u2019re onto some of the very <em>best<\/em> texts against eternal security, in Hebrews. Jason starts out with Protestant platitudes. This passage is referring to (as I see it, anyway), blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is indeed unforgivable; but that doesn\u2019t cover <em>all<\/em> cases of apostasy. Other cases may involve a person returning to the faith. Jason tries to pretend that the passage is merely rhetorical or hypothetical. I don\u2019t see that it reads that way at all. It\u2019s talking about real people: \u201cthose who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit\u201d and it refers to them literally committing what we are saying is a real and distinct (and terrifying) potentiality: \u201cthey then commit <em><strong>apostasy<\/strong><\/em>.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">There<em> is<\/em> occasionally hypothetical rhetoric in Scripture. Perhaps the most famous example is the following passage from St. Paul:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1 Corinthians 15:12-20<\/strong>\u00a0Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?\u00a0[13] But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised;\u00a0[14] if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.\u00a0[15] We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.\u00a0[16] For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised.\u00a0[17] If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.\u00a0[18] Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.\u00a0[19] If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all men most to be pitied.\u00a0[20] But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Note that the logical structure is of this form:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cIf x isn\u2019t true, neither is y; if y is untrue, then so is z.\u201d (15:13-14 and repeated in 15:16-17)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cIf x is untrue,\u00a0we are of all men most to be pitied.\u201d (15:19)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cBut in fact, x is true, and therefore, so are y and z.\u201d (15:20)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Paul makes very clear (leaving no doubt) what he is doing, by saying \u201c<strong><em>if<\/em><\/strong> there is . . . \u201d and using the word \u201cif\u201d over and over, signifying a hypothetical word-picture. But then he counters that by saying \u201cin <strong><em>fact<\/em><\/strong>\u201d in verse 20. Hebrews 6:4-6 is not at all like that. It has neither the required structure nor all the \u201cifs\u201d to suggest that it is merely hypothetical. Jason is special pleading once again. He\u2019s trying his best, but as the old saying would have it: \u201cyou can\u2019t make a silk purse out of a sow\u2019s ear.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">To top it off, the writer once again shows that works and perseverance (as opposed to instant assurance) are always part of the overall picture:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Hebrews 6:10-12<\/strong> For God is not so unjust as to overlook your <em>work<\/em> and the <em>love <\/em>which you showed for his sake<em> in serving the saints<\/em>, as you still do.\u00a0[11] And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness in <em>realizing the full assurance of hope until the end<\/em>,\u00a0[12] so that you may not be <em>sluggish<\/em>, but imitators of those <em>who through faith and patience inherit the promises<\/em>.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Hebrews 10:26-31<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 God disciplines His children (1 Corinthians 11:29-32, Hebrews 12:6-7). Despite what some people assume when reading this passage, the people being addressed are not people who lost their salvation, but rather they\u2019re\u00a0<em>God\u2019s people<\/em>\u00a0(Hebrews 10:30). Hebrews 10:39, like Hebrews 6:9, once again suggests that not falling away is a thing that accompanies salvation. Those who are saved remain saved (1 John 2:19). Those who are justified are also glorified (Romans 8:30). Nobody is justified, then goes to Hell. Hebrews 10:26-31 may be only a hypothetical, like Hebrews 6:4-6, but even if not, verse 30 explains that the passage is about\u00a0<em>God\u2019s people<\/em>\u00a0being disciplined, not a lost sinner going to Hell.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Hebrews 10:26-31<\/strong> For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,\u00a0[27] but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.\u00a0[28] A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses.\u00a0[29] How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?\u00a0[30] For we know him who said, \u201cVengeance is mine, I will repay.\u201d And again, \u201cThe Lord will judge his people.\u201d\u00a0[31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jason engages in the worst kind of eisegesis: almost utterly ignoring the plain intent of the text itself. He pretends that it is about mere discipline of children who can never lose their salvation. That\u2019s certainly not how it <em>reads<\/em>. It refers to a \u201cfury of fire\u201d and people who have<\/span> \u201c<span style=\"color: #000000;\">spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace\u201d. Somehow all is fine and they are still saved after all <em>that<\/em>. Failing any plausible, feasible eternal security interpretation of the text, Jason, as is his wont, wanders off into many <em>other<\/em> passages, thinking that this gives him the appearance of strength of argument, where there is none. Each one has to be examined on its own, as in his other uses of this technique above.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Context reveals that it is not as Jason makes out. A \u201cfull assurance of faith\u201d is referred to in 10:22, but then in the next verse we are told that we must \u201chold fast the confession of our hope without <em>wavering<\/em>.\u201d Again, if wavering or falling is <em>impossible<\/em> from the outset and poses no danger, then why is it <em>mentioned at all<\/em>? Works are urged in 10:24: \u201cand let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,\u201d. The same indications of possible falling away occur after our passage above:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Hebrews 10:35-36, 38-39<\/strong> Therefore do not<em> throw away your confidence<\/em>, which has a great reward.\u00a0[36] For you have need of<em> endurance<\/em>, so that you may <em>do the will of God<\/em> and <em>receive what is promised<\/em>. . . . \u201d . . . [38] but my righteous one shall live by faith,\u00a0and <em>if he shrinks back<\/em>, my soul has no pleasure in him.\u201d\u00a0[39]\u00a0But we are not of those <em>who shrink back and are destroyed<\/em>, but of those who have faith and keep their souls.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">One doesn\u2019t talk about a group of people who commit terrible sins and lose the faith, if indeed it\u2019s not <em>possible<\/em> in the first place.\u00a0 It would be like saying, \u201cWe\u00a0are not of those who can swim from Boston to the coast of Spain <em>. . . \u201d <\/em>If something is utterly impossible, it makes no sense to <em>mention<\/em> it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1 John 2:19 (\u201cThey went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us . . .\u201d) is merely declaring that folks who leave a Christian group are not \u201cof\u201d it: which is common sense and a truism. It has no direct bearing on the eternal security debate. Romans 8:30 is about the predestination of the elect, which Catholics fully agree with, so it\u2019s a moot point, not having to do with the question at hand.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>James 2:14-26<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 As James explains in 2:8-12, people would have to live perfectly, obeying all of God\u2019s laws (James 2:10), in order to be saved through works. Instead of trusting in a law of works, we have to trust in a law of liberty (James 2:12). Does James go on to contradict himself later in the chapter? No, he doesn\u2019t. He\u2019s addressing the evidence of saving faith (James 2:14) and justification before men (James 2:18). Faith without works is dead in the sense that true faith results in works. James can\u2019t be saying that faith without works is dead in the sense that people aren\u2019t saved until after working. If he was saying that, he would be contradicting what he wrote in 2:8-12, and he would be contradicting Mark 2:5, Luke 7:50, Luke 17:19, Luke 18:10-14, and other passages in which people are saved through faith alone. Abraham was justified\u00a0<em>before God<\/em>\u00a0when he believed (Romans 4:10-11), not when he later did works as a result of his faith (Romans 4:2). However, Abraham was justified\u00a0<em>before men<\/em>\u00a0(James 2:18) not through faith alone, but through works (James 2:21-24). Paul and James aren\u2019t addressing the same issue. Paul is saying that we\u2019re justified before God through faith alone. James is saying that saving faith is evidenced by works, which justify us in the sense that they prove that our faith is true. James agrees with Paul that people are saved through faith, not works, but James is addressing the contrast between true faith and false faith. That\u2019s why he asks in verse 14, \u201cCan\u00a0<em>that<\/em>\u00a0faith save him?\u201d The question assumes that people\u00a0<em>are<\/em>\u00a0saved through faith. James wouldn\u2019t be addressing the\u00a0<em>type<\/em>\u00a0of faith that saves if faith didn\u2019t save. People are saved through faith while ungodly and not working (Romans 4:5-6),\u00a0<em>then<\/em>\u00a0they produce fruit as new creations (2 Corinthians 5:17). The fruit justifies the believer before men (James 2:18), just as wisdom is justified by her children (Luke 7:35).<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?\u00a0[15] If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food,\u00a0[16] and one of you says to them, \u201cGo in peace, be warmed and filled,\u201d without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit?\u00a0[17] So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.\u00a0[18]\u00a0But some one will say, \u201cYou have faith and I have works.\u201d Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.\u00a0[19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe \u2014 and shudder.\u00a0[20] Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren?\u00a0[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?\u00a0[22] You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,\u00a0[23] and the scripture was fulfilled which says, \u201cAbraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness\u201d; and he was called the friend of God.\u00a0[24] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.\u00a0[25] And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?\u00a0[26] For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jason starts out with the usual straw man canard about his opponents supposedly being advocates of salvation by works. He just doesn\u2019t <em>get<\/em> it (poor fellow). His bondage to Protestant hyper-rationalistic and very unbiblical \u201ceither\/or\u201d reasoning causes him to be out to sea in these matters. He is unable to comprehend the biblical \/ Hebraic paradoxical and \u201cboth\/and\u201d approach. As this paper is already very long (more than 7000 words), I\u2019ll refer the reader to my exposition of the passage elsewhere:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/justification-in-james-dialogue.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Justification in James: Dialogue<\/a>\u00a0[5-8-02]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/12\/justification-not-by-faith-alone-ongoing.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Justification:\u00a0<em>Not<\/em>\u00a0by Faith Alone, &amp; Ongoing<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/12\/justification-not-by-faith-alone-ongoing.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">(Romans 4, James 2, and Abraham\u2019s Multiple Justifications)<\/a>\u00a0[10-15-11]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/10\/reply-to-james-whites-exegesis-of-james.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Reply to James White\u2019s Exegesis of James 2 in Chapter 20 of His Book,\u00a0<em>The God Who Justifies<\/em><\/a>\u00a0[10-9-13]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/catholic-justification-in-james-romans.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cCatholic Justification\u201d in James &amp; Romans<\/a>\u00a0[11-18-15]<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>2 Peter 2:20<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 In 2 Peter 1:3, Peter refers to\u00a0<em>true<\/em>\u00a0knowledge of Christ. The knowledge of the false teachers in 2 Peter 2:20 apparently isn\u2019t a saving knowledge. These people were dogs and pigs all along, and they proved it by returning to the vomit and mire (2 Peter 2:22). They were headed for Hell all along (2 Peter 2:3, 2:9).<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is one of the very best indications of Catholic soteriology and the possibility of apostasy. Jason utilizes the time-honored technique of redefining words, in order to bolster his erroneous views. \u201cknowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ\u201d is not a <em>saving<\/em> knowledge, you see. It\u2019s just <em>head<\/em> knowledge. The problem with that is the preceding clause: \u201cthey have <em>escaped<\/em> the defilements of the world <em>through<\/em> . . . \u201d Only God\u2019s grace offers such an escape. So they were indeed in God\u2019s graces (as Catholics would say), or \u201csaved\u201d (as Protestants would describe it).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Moreover, 2 Peter 1:3, that he brings up, uses the same word \u201cknowledge\u201d (the same Greek word, <em>epignosis<\/em>) in (undeniably) the sense of saving knowledge (thus Jason futilely tries to draw a distinction without a difference). St. Peter uses this Greek word repeatedly in this sense:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>2 Peter 1:2<\/strong>\u00a0May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>2 Peter 1:8<\/strong>\u00a0For if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The same word is used four times, yet in one instance, Jason arbitrarily redefines it because it doesn\u2019t fit his preconceived false theology. It\u2019s classic, notorious eisegesis. St. Paul also uses the same word,\u00a0<em>epignosis<\/em>, in the same sense, 13 times (Rom 10:2; Eph 1:17; 4:13; Phil 1:9; Col 1:9-10; 2:2; 3:10; 1 Tim 2:4; 2:25; 3:7; Titus 1:1; Philem 6), and <em>never<\/em> for mere head (non-saving) knowledge. Jason\u2019s case here is nonexistent and utterly untenable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He also gives us circular reasoning: because they returned (<em>returned<\/em>?) to the mire, they never <em>were<\/em> saved. In other words, he assumes what he needs to prove. He appeals to 2 Peter 2:22 (\u201cThe dog turns back to his own vomit\u201d), thinking that this proves they always were outside regeneration and salvation, but it\u2019s contradicted by the verse right before it, that Jason (what a surprise!) ignores: \u201cFor it would have been better for them <em>never to have known the way of righteousness<\/em> than <em>after knowing it to turn back<\/em> from the holy commandment delivered to them.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>1 John 5:16-17<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Since John recommends praying for the\u00a0<em>life<\/em>\u00a0of those who commit a sin\u00a0<em>not<\/em>\u00a0leading to death, he must be referring to\u00a0<em>physical<\/em>\u00a0life and death, not spiritual life and death. Otherwise, why pray for the\u00a0<em>life<\/em>\u00a0of a person whose sin\u00a0<em>doesn\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0lead to death? Apparently, John is referring to people who are ill. If they\u2019re dying as a result of a sin, then don\u2019t pray for them. God sometimes disciplines Christians with death (Acts 5:1-10, 1 Corinthians 11:29-32). If their illness is not a result of their sin, however, then pray for them to recover.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. [17] All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This where Catholics derive the notion of mortal and venial sins. It wasn\u2019t pulled out of a hat by some pope in AD 865. \u201cLife\u201d can be used to refer to both physical and spiritual life in the Bible. It\u2019s obviously the latter in this passage since the guy\u2019s walking around and committing a venial sin and someone prays and God gives him \u201clife.\u201d He already <em>has<\/em> physical life, so it must mean more grace in the <em>spiritual<\/em> life. But somehow (don\u2019t ask me <em>how<\/em>) Jason manages to get it backwards. The context (1 Jn 5:11-13) refers to \u201clife\u201d in Jesus\u00a0 three times and \u201ceternal life\u201d twice. It couldn\u2019t be more clear than it is.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Then he goes into a rabbit trail of the passage supposedly referring to illness, when there is no such indication. It\u2019s yet another desperate, failed attempt to explain away a clear text that supports Catholic positions and refutes Protestant ones.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Revelation 20:13<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 This is the judgment of the unregenerate. While Christians are not under any law of works (Romans 6:14, Galatians 3:21-25, James 2:12), unbelievers\u00a0<em>are<\/em>\u00a0judged according to the laws of God. They\u2019re all condemned, and are sent to Hell (Revelation 20:14). John goes on to repeatedly refer to eternal life as a free gift, not something that\u2019s worked for (Revelation 21:6, 22:17). Revelation 20:13 is about the condemnation of the unregenerate, who didn\u2019t accept eternal life in Christ as a free gift. They\u2019re judged by a law of works, while Christians are under grace (Romans 6:14) and are judged by a law of liberty (James 2:12).<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Works again! I refer the reader again to my compilation of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/final-judgment-works-not-faith-50-passages.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">50 biblical passages<\/a> where works are presented as central in the area of the final judgment and who is saved and who is condemned. The passage doesn\u2019t say that only unbelievers and the damned are judged this way. That is simply Jason superimposing his false tradition onto it. The text says that \u201c<em><strong>all<\/strong><\/em> were judged by what they had done.\u201d Hades contained <em>both<\/em> good and evil people, as we learn from Luke 16: Jesus\u2019 tale (<em>not<\/em> parable) of Lazarus and the rich man. This is what Ephesians 4:8-10 refers to: Jesus went to <em>Sheol<\/em> \/ Hades in \u201cthe lower parts of the earth\u201d and \u201cled a host of captives\u201d. That can\u2019t refer to the damned. So Jason\u2019s view is decisively refuted twice. The passage means what it says: \u201call\u201d were judged, and once again, as so often, the central criterion (though not <em>excluding<\/em> faith) was good works.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Case closed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>Abraham\u2019s Parting from the Family of Lot<\/em>, by Jan Victors (1619-1676)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Abraham%27s_Parting_from_the_Family_of_Lot_MET_DP143196.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>vs. Anti-Catholic Protestant Apologist Jason Engwer Jason wrote an article (late 90s) entitled, \u201cA Response to Passages of Scripture Often Cited in Opposition to Salvation Through Faith Alone and Eternal Security.\u201d In it he critiques the passages from theological opponents that (in our opinion) prove eternal security to be a false doctrine. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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