{"id":50318,"date":"2020-08-14T13:08:40","date_gmt":"2020-08-14T17:08:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=50318"},"modified":"2020-08-14T13:08:40","modified_gmt":"2020-08-14T17:08:40","slug":"did-trump-call-neo-nazis-kkk-very-fine-people","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/08\/did-trump-call-neo-nazis-kkk-very-fine-people.html","title":{"rendered":"Did Trump Call Neo-Nazis &#038; KKK &#8220;Very Fine People&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-50320\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/08\/CharlottesvilleRally.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"639\" height=\"394\"><\/p>\n<p>This whopper of a lie and falsehood and slander is up there with the most influential and parroted propagandistic mantras (the other biggest one being \u2014 arguably \u2014 his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/07\/trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">supposed mocking of a disabled reporter<\/a>), used by liberals and Never Trumpers to discredit the President. It\u2019s an example of the Big Lie: the technique diabolically perfected by the Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels: just <em>repeat<\/em> a lie enough times and the people will <em>believe<\/em> it.<\/p>\n<p>The Big Lie was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/world\/americas\/us-election\/biden-speech-today-charlottesville-trump-kamala-harris-a9667756.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">dredged up by Joe Biden<\/a> in his speech when he first appeared with his running mate, Kamala Harris, a few days ago:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Today is not only the day I\u2019m proud to introduce Senator Harris \u2026 it\u2019s also the third anniversary of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Unite_the_Right_rally\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">that terrible day in Charlottesville<\/a>. . . . For me, it was a call to action \u2026 at that moment I knew I couldn\u2019t stand by and let\u00a0Donald Trump, a man who went on to say \u2026 \u2018there are very fine people on both sides\u2019 \u2026 No president of the United States have ever said something like that.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>First, here is a typical use of the Lie, on a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/altscotteric\/posts\/1329561027187817\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">public Facebook thread in February 2018<\/a>, from Catholic writer and rabid Trump-despiser Mark Shea, who cynically characterized any defense whatsoever of President Trump in this respect as \u201cpassionately defending white supremacy just as Trump defended the Nazis at Charlottesville as \u2018very fine people\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now, I\u2019m gonna do something that is very much a novelty these days: actually <em><strong>document<\/strong> a comment<\/em> that is trumpeted about, <em>in <strong>context<\/strong><\/em>. Imagine that!\u00a0President Trump did\u00a0<strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0ever defend Nazis as \u201cvery fine people.\u201d In context, he was clearly talking about other (non-Nazi) demonstrators who came out: some, for example, were expressing views about public confederate statues. Most large protests are an amalgamation of radical extremists and relatively normal people. But this is standard media talking points. They don\u2019t give a damn about what the actual <em>facts<\/em> of the matter were.\u00a0Here are\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/us\/2017\/08\/15\/in-his-own-words-president-trump-on-charlottesville-protest.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Trump\u2019s actual remarks<\/a>\u00a0about \u201cvery fine people\u201d\u00a0<em>in context<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>TRUMP: [Y]ou have some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group \u2014 excuse me, excuse me \u2014 I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.<\/p>\n<p>QUESTION: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same \u2026<\/p>\n<p>TRUMP: George Washington was a slave-owner. Was George Washington a slave-owner? So, will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down \u2014 excuse me \u2014 are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?<\/p>\n<p>OK. Good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave-owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? So you know what? It\u2019s fine. You\u2019re changing history. You\u2019re changing culture. And you had people, and I\u2019m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists.<\/p>\n<p>OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You\u2019ve got \u2014 you had a lot of bad \u2014 you had a lot of bad people in the other group \u2026<\/p>\n<p>QUESTION: You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly?<\/p>\n<p>TRUMP: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I\u2019m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people \u2014 neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.<\/p>\n<p>But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know \u2014 I don\u2019t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn\u2019t have a permit.<\/p>\n<p>So, I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I wrote at the time:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Trump condemned hatred and bigotry in his first statement (made before details of the car-murder were known). Then he condemned the far-right hate groups by name. That should have ended it, but of course not for the Never-Trumpers and liberal media.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It was then objected that Trump didn\u2019t specifically denounce <em>by name<\/em>, Neo-Nazis and the Klan in his first statement; therefore, supposedly he <em>endorses<\/em> them. But this is as stupid of a scenario as one where I see two kids (we\u2019ll call them Kid A and Kid B) beating the pulp out of one another on the street, and say, \u201cI condemn hatred and violence on both sides.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then someone comes along and says, \u201cHow come you didn\u2019t specifically condemn the hatred and violence of Kid A, by name?\u201d but I just <em><strong>did<\/strong><\/em>! It\u2019s included in \u201cboth\u201d. But if it is in someone\u2019s political \/ cynical \/ talking points \/ polemical interest to pretend that I <em>didn\u2019t<\/em> condemn Kid A\u2019s violence and hatred, then they\u2019ll play that unethical game; logic and common sense interpretation of plain English be damned!<\/p>\n<p>Seeing the other\u2019s inability to understand logic and plain English (in this hypothetical analogy), I come back two days later, and say, \u201cI condemn the hatred and violence of Kid A.\u201d So then they\u2019re happy about my commitment to truth and justice and the perpetual fight against bigotry, hatred, etc., right? Wrong! They <em>won\u2019t<\/em> be if they are dead-set against me no matter what I say. They\u2019ll just second-guess it, deny my sincerity, say I was \u201cforced\u201d to do so, etc.<\/p>\n<p>And of course this is what is happening with Trump, as regards the liberal media, and RINOs and Democrats and third-partiers and Never Trumpers. Can Trump help it is they are unwilling or unable to think logically or understand plain English?<\/p>\n<p>Good grief: with how Antifa is acting now (even Nancy Pelosi has utterly condemned them), Trump\u2019s wisdom in his first general statement is all the more manifest. If someone is truly concerned about justice and fairness and preserving American unity (what little of it exists anymore), then they would act <em>exactly<\/em>\u00a0as he did: condemn hatred and bigotry <strong><em>wherever<\/em><\/strong> it occurs: not just when it occurs on the right. This is what a normal decent person would do, and what a Catholic should do.<\/p>\n<p>What President Trump said [in his first statement] didn\u2019t imply \u201cimmoral equivalence\u201d at all. All it means is that wherever hatred and bigotry occurred, he condemned it. Logically, that doesn\u2019t entail an <em>overall<\/em>\u00a0equivalence in every particular. I gave an analogy a while back of saying, \u201cI condemn immoral acts committed by the Nazis and also the Allies in World War II.\u201d No one in their right mind would think that such a statement implies that the Allies were <em>just as bad<\/em> as the Nazis. But we certainly committed outrageously immoral acts, too (just not nearly as many): we nuclear-bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and fire-bombed Dresden and Tokyo: all acts utterly contrary to Catholic just war ethics.<\/p>\n<p>But my statement about atrocities in World War II stands as an objectively true one. That\u2019s logic. People don\u2019t think logically about Trump, and politics in general. They think polemically and emotionally, and seek \u201cgotcha\u201d points. They believe the worst of people. I try to believe the best of folks (as 1 Corinthians 13 says about love).<\/p>\n<p>I think it could be plausibly contended that Antifa is possibly as bigoted as even the KKK and neo-Nazis: just towards different targets. Rather than blacks, Jews, liberals, and Catholics, the targets would be conservatives, Trump voters, moral traditionalists, Catholics (we get it from all angles!), Southerners, Republicans, non-Catholic Christians, pro-lifers, women who aren\u2019t radical feminists, opposers of \u201cgay marriage\u201d etc. I don\u2019t see how one is all that different from the other.<\/p>\n<p>I saw a video last night of three or four of these goons trying to beat a man to a pulp simply because he was a Trump voter (or whatever it was in his case). If a black reporter on the scene hadn\u2019t covered him up, he could have had very serious injuries, brain damage, or even possibly might have been killed, instead of bone bruises and scrapes (as he described that he had).<\/p>\n<p>Now how is that a whit different from neo-Nazi or Klan morons beating up a guy just because he\u2019s black? Both are fascist, immoral actions. When you\u2019re at the receiving end of a kick to the head, it matters little what political \u201cside\u201d the attacker is on. The kick feels just the same, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p>Trump has repeatedly condemned the neo-Nazis, white supremacists, KKK, and other \u201chate groups\u201d. That should be more than sufficient, but it isn\u2019t, and we know <em>why<\/em> it isn\u2019t. People like Mark Shea (hysterical and obsessed against Trump and conservatives) literally believe he is a white supremacist and Nazi sympathizer, and that the vast majority of his voters are the same.<\/p>\n<p><span dir=\"ltr\"><span class=\"_3l3x _1n4g\">I think Trump only bungled<em> politically<\/em> (knowing how it would be<em> received<\/em>, because I know how liberals and Never Trumpers think), but not in the overall scheme of things. He committed a \u201cpolitical sin\u201d but not an actual one. He did nothing wrong, as my analogy above illustrates.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>The way liberals and Democrats race-bait and encourage further racial division is almost as bad as the racists themselves, because these are folks <em>who should know better<\/em>: who are exploiting hate and spewing deliberate falsehood for the sake of fostering mere political opposition to conservatives and Trump: sheer hypocrisy and quite wicked.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800080;\">Related Reading<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/trump-is-a-slimeball-moron-scumbag.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Trump is a Slimeball, Moron, &amp; Scumbag<\/a>\u00a0[5-27-16]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dave.armstrong.798\/posts\/1342046572496991\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Debate: Trump vs. Women, Blacks, &amp; Latinos?: Rhetoric vs. Actual Polling &amp; Voting Data\u00a0<\/a>(vs. Deacon Steven D. 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It\u2019s an example of the Big Lie: the technique diabolically [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":50320,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[289],"tags":[1575,3412,4240,1826,3411,4239,11669,4241,3417,1970,11666,5163,5606,11672,11675],"class_list":["post-50318","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-political-ethical-moral-issues","tag-bigotry","tag-bigots","tag-charlottesville","tag-donald-trump","tag-kkk","tag-ku-klux-klan","tag-nazis","tag-neo-nazis","tag-president-trump","tag-racism","tag-racist","tag-racists","tag-trump","tag-very-fine-people","tag-white-supremacist"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Did Trump Call Neo-Nazis &amp; KKK &quot;Very Fine People&quot;? 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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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