{"id":51263,"date":"2020-09-14T12:04:03","date_gmt":"2020-09-14T16:04:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=51263"},"modified":"2020-09-14T12:04:03","modified_gmt":"2020-09-14T16:04:03","slug":"seidensticker-folly-57-male-witnesses-of-the-dead-jesus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/09\/seidensticker-folly-57-male-witnesses-of-the-dead-jesus.html","title":{"rendered":"Seidensticker Folly #57: Male Witnesses of the Dead Jesus"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-51269\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/09\/Nicodemus2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"439\" height=\"600\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Atheist and anti-theist<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/about\/\" target=\"_blank\">Bob Seidensticker<\/a>,\u00a0who was\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2012\/08\/post-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">\u201craised Presbyterian\u201d<\/a>,<span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0runs the influential<\/span><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em>\u00a0Cross Examined<\/em><\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">blog. He asked me there,<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2018\/08\/25-stupid-arguments-christians-should-avoid-part-7-2\/#comment-4033896473\" target=\"_blank\">on 8-11-18<\/a>:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI\u2019ve got 1000+ posts here attacking your worldview. You just going to let that stand? Or could you present a helpful new perspective that I\u2019ve ignored on one or two of those posts?\u201d<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">He added in June 2017<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2017\/06\/christians-need-atheist-speaker-next-conference\/#comment-3386826295\" target=\"_blank\">in a combox<\/a>:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cIf I\u2019ve misunderstood the Christian position or Christian arguments, point that out. Show me where I\u2019ve mischaracterized them.\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Delighted to oblige his wishes . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bob (for the record) virtually\u00a0<em>begged<\/em>\u00a0and<em>\u00a0pleaded<\/em>\u00a0with me to dialogue with him in May 2018, via email. But b<\/span>y\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/disqus.com\/home\/discussion\/crossexamined\/5_ways_to_correct_misinformation_while_minimizing_the_backfire_effect\/#comment-4128127494\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">10-3-18<\/a>,<span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0following<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/08\/hysterical-frenzy-vs-me-on-atheist-seidenstickers-blog.html\" target=\"_blank\">massive, childish name-calling attacks<\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">against me,\u00a0 encouraged by Bob on his blog, he banned me from commenting there. I also banned him for violation of my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/my-comments-policy-thoughts-on-amiable-and-constructive-dialogue.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">rules for discussion<\/a>, but (unlike him)\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/08\/why-i-blocked-anti-theist-atheist-bob-seidensticker.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">provided detailed <em>reasons<\/em><\/a> for <em>why<\/em> it was justified.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bob\u2019s cowardly hypocrisy knows no bounds.<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2019\/06\/response-to-atheists-five-worst-arguments-2-of-2\/#comment-4522378558\" target=\"_blank\">On 6-30-19<\/a>,<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> he was chiding someone for something very much like he himself:\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cSpoken like a true weasel trying to run away from a previous argument. You know, you could just say, \u2018Let me retract my previous statement of X\u2019 or something like that.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">Yeah,\u00a0<em>Bob<\/em>\u00a0could!<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/atheist-bob-seidensticker-intellectual-coward-my-32-critiques.html\" target=\"_blank\">He still hasn\u2019t yet uttered one peep in reply<\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">to \u2014 now \u2014 56 of my critiques of his atrocious reasoning.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bible-Basher Bob\u2019s words will be in<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">To find these posts, follow this link:\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=Seidensticker+Folly+%23\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201c<\/span>Seidensticker Folly #\u201d<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">or see all of them linked under his own section on my<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/atheism-agnosticism-secularism-index.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Atheism page<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span data-offset-key=\"9lj5l-0-0\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bob writes in his article, \u201c<\/span><\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2020\/05\/christians-reveal-how-to-defeat-christianity\/\" rel=\"bookmark\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Christians Reveal! How to Defeat Christianity\u201d<\/a> (5-13-20):<\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>0. What evidence would prove a resurrection?<\/strong><\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Koukl wants to establish the ground rules first. To prove a resurrection, he says, you\u2019d need to show that (1) someone was dead and then (2) later alive. With that, you could claim a resurrection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But read the gospels carefully, and you\u00a0<em>don\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0find that! Matthew and Mark make clear that no men witnessed the death, so they don\u2019t satisfy the first requirement. It\u2019s true that women disciples saw Jesus dead, but conservative scholars like Koukl emphasize that women at that time were unreliable witnesses. (They do this to defend their argument that women finding the empty tomb was surprising and therefore historically accurate. I respond to that<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2017\/08\/bible-defeats-resurrection-story\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Apologists can clumsily salvage their argument by pointing out that Luke and John don\u2019t have this problem. With these gospels, the male disciples stay to witness the death. But by pointing this out, they\u2019ve created a new problem, that the Bible is contradictory and therefore unreliable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">First of all, the Gospel of John, of course, notes the fact that John the disciple was present at the crucifixion (Jn 19:25-27). That is sufficient in and of itself. The others do not <em>have<\/em> to mention this for it to be true. From whence comes this notion that they need to do that? It certainly is no requirement of the accepted laws of logic. The other Gospels simply mention (or highlight) the fact that women followers of Jesus \u2014 including Jesus\u2019 mother \u2014 were present. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Why is that? We don\u2019t know, but in my opinion (speculation), I think it is a sort of tribute to the loyalty and courage of women. I think that\u2019s also why Jesus revealed Himself first to women after He rose from the dead, also to break up the chauvinistic notions prevalent at the time. That\u2019s the kind of thing He habitually did.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Luke 23:47-49 (RSV) notes that a sympathetic Roman centurion and \u201call the multitudes\u201d and \u201call his acquaintances\u201d were present. Obviously, \u201call\u201d is not literal, but this is often the case in Scripture. The ancient Jews did not think in linear rationalistic terms as we do today (influenced by classical Greek thought). Expressions and ways of thinking were often general, non-literal, or examples of hyperbole (as I have written about<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/darmstrong\/all-have-sinned-vs.-a-sinless-immaculate-mary\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">more than once<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">with regard to<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/did-pope-st-john-paul-ii-teach-universalism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the word \u201call\u201d<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Even if Matthew and Mark had not <em>mentioned<\/em> that no men witnessed Jesus\u2019 crucifixion and\/or His dead body, it wouldn\u2019t <em>prove<\/em> that no men did, or (more specifically) that these authors <em>thought<\/em> no men did. That would require flat-out assertions to the effect of \u201cno men were present at the crucifixion\u201d or \u201cno man saw Jesus\u2019 dead body.\u201d Or, \u201conly women . . . \u201d And of course that is not the case. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So it\u2019s the usual wishful thinking of the atheist, hoping for a contradiction where none is in fact demonstrable. Will they ever tire of this silly practice? I certainly tire of reiterating this elementary logical aspect and refuting atheist non-comprehension (or ignorance) of it times without number.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Furthermore, all four Gospels mention Joseph of Arimathea: a Pharisee sympathetic to Jesus, as definitely having seen Jesus dead (implied: also a witness to His crucifixion and death), since He laid Him in his own tomb (see Mt 27:57-60; Mk 15:43-46; Lk 23:50-53; Jn 19:38-40). John also mentions that Nicodemus: another Pharisee who admired Jesus, \u201ccame bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes\u201d (Jn 19:39), and helped to properly bury Jesus\u2019 body, according to Jewish custom.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">That\u2019s an awful lot of men, for Bob to make the asinine claim that men were lacking as witnesses. And these include Joseph of Arimathea, according to Matthew and Mark; yet Bob claimed:<\/span> \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Matthew and Mark make clear that no men witnessed the death, . . .\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">the Bible is contradictory and therefore unreliable.\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>Huh<\/em>?! It\u2019s as if Bob lives in an alternate universe, where the laws of logic don\u2019t apply.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bob, however, after making these silly claims, and asserting contradiction in the Bible where there is none, has to (for the sake of ironic comedic relief) contradict <em>himself<\/em> (as so very often):<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">There\u2019s another problem. In his description of the burial, Koukl mentioned the\u00a0application of spices\u00a0by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus and the wrapping of the body with strips of linen. This comes from John.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">All the Gospels mention Joseph of Arimathea doing this. John adds the additional person of Nicodemus (not in a contradictory fashion, but a logically complimentary one).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But both points conflict with claims that the famous fourteenth-century\u00a0Shroud of Turin\u00a0is the burial cloth of Jesus in that (1) the image on that shroud doesn\u2019t show the enormous quantity of spices, and (2) the Shroud is a single large rectangle rather than strips (which was the Jewish custom \u00a0according to John 19:40b).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Shroud of Turin: marvelous relic though it may be, or is purported to be (one which I believe in), is \u2014 first of all \u2014 not <em>required<\/em> belief for Catholics or any other Christians. Secondly, it\u2019s irrelevant to this question, which is dealing with the biblical accounts and historical evidences. Thirdly, as I\u2019ve noted for years myself, the Shroud need not <em>necessarily<\/em> be the actual burial cloth of Christ. It can simply be a piece of cloth from His time that has a miraculous image of Him on it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">People could (again, logically speaking) simply be mistaken as to whether it was Jesus\u2019 actual burial cloth. There may also very well be other proposed explanations to reconcile the Shroud with the biblical accounts of the burial wrappings of Jesus. None come to mind, but it doesn\u2019t follow that they don\u2019t exist.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In any event, introducing this <em>non sequitur<\/em> into the discussion doesn\u2019t annihilate the fact that Joseph of Arimathea was mentioned as a male witness (and follower of Jesus) in the two Gospels that Bob claimed mentioned no such witness. <em>That<\/em> is the only contradiction present in this discussion, and it is because Bob foolishly stated: \u201c<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Matthew and Mark make clear that no men witnessed the death.\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now, I can see that Bob might quibble that, \u201cJoseph didn\u2019t actually witness Jesus\u2019 <em>moment of death<\/em> on the cross.\u201d <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">To which I reply: \u201cthe accounts don\u2019t <em>deny<\/em> that He watched Jesus die, so he may very well have seen that, seeing that he was present when it was time to prepare Jesus\u2019 body for burial.\u201d Secondly, it would seem that this detail doesn\u2019t bother Bob, since he wrote: <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cwomen disciples saw Jesus dead.\u201d<\/span> If that\u2019s all he thinks is required, then Joseph certainly met <em>that<\/em> criterion.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Conclusion?: Bob is dead-wrong: as he so often is, when he attempts \u201cbiblical exegesis.\u201d This is what happens when one approaches the Bible like a butcher approaches a hog.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>A Bearer at the Sepulchre<\/em> (Joseph of Arimathea or Nicodemus), by\u00a0Juan de Valmaseda (1487-1576)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:A_Bearer_at_the_Sepulchre_(Joseph_of_Arimathea_or_Nicodemus)_MET_2195.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Atheist and anti-theist\u00a0Bob Seidensticker,\u00a0who was\u00a0\u201craised Presbyterian\u201d,\u00a0runs the influential\u00a0Cross Examined\u00a0blog. He asked me there,\u00a0on 8-11-18:\u00a0\u201cI\u2019ve got 1000+ posts here attacking your worldview. You just going to let that stand? Or could you present a helpful new perspective that I\u2019ve ignored on one or two of those posts?\u201d\u00a0He added in June 2017\u00a0in a combox:\u00a0\u201cIf I\u2019ve misunderstood the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":51269,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[124,172],"tags":[4129,3804,1043,258,212,4126,459,5552,9258,11961,2517,7251,7284,1347,11964],"class_list":["post-51263","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atheism-agnosticism","category-trinitarianism-christology","tag-alleged-bible-contradictions","tag-angry-atheist","tag-anti-theism","tag-atheism","tag-atheist-christian-discussion","tag-bob-seidensticker","tag-christology","tag-cross-examined","tag-crucifixion-of-jesus","tag-dead-jesus","tag-death-of-jesus","tag-joseph-of-arimathea","tag-nicodemus","tag-resurrection-of-jesus","tag-witnesses-of-the-dead-jesus"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Seidensticker Folly #57: Male Witnesses of the Dead Jesus Seidensticker Folly #57: Male Witnesses of the Dead Jesus<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Atheist and anti-theist\u00a0Bob Seidensticker,\u00a0who was\u00a0\u201craised Presbyterian\u201d,\u00a0runs the influential\u00a0Cross Examined\u00a0blog. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \\\"This Rock\\\" (now called \\\"Catholic Answers Magazine\\\"), \\\"Envoy Magazine\\\" (Patrick Madrid), \\\"The Catholic Answer,\\\" \\\"The Coming Home Journal,\\\" \\\"Gilbert Magazine\\\" (American Chesterton Society), and \\\"The Latin Mass.\\\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \\\"The Michigan Catholic\\\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \\\"Catholic Answers Live\\\" (twice), \\\"Faith and Family Live\\\" (Steve Wood), \\\"Kresta in the Afternoon,\\\" \\\"Son Rise Morning Show,\\\" \\\"Catholic Connection\\\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \\\"The Catholics Next Door.\\\" His large and popular website, \\\"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\\\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \\\"index\\\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \\\"Surprised by Truth\\\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \\\"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\\\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \\\"The Catholic Verses\\\" (2004), \\\"The One-Minute Apologist\\\" (2007), \\\"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\\\" (2009), \\\"The Quotable Newman\\\" (editor: 2012), and \\\"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\\\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \\\"The New Catholic Answer Bible\\\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \\\"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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