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This is a reply to<\/span>\u00a0Matt Slick<\/a>: Presbyterian pastor and head of the large and influential anti-Catholic Protestant<\/span>\u00a0CARM<\/a>\u00a0discussion forum. I am responding to his article,<\/span> \u201cIf Mary was sinless, why was she unclean and had to offer a sacrifice for sin?\u201d<\/a>\u00a0His words will be in<\/span>\u00a0blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n

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Roman Catholics teach that\u00a0Mary\u00a0never sinned.\u00a0 But, if that is the case, why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8) after giving birth to\u00a0Jesus?\u00a0 According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood.\u00a0 She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4) \u2013 for a total of 40 days.\u00a0 If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days.\u00a0 Notice in\u00a0Leviticus 12:2\u00a0it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days.\u00a0 If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean? . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Why would Mary, if she is sinless as the Roman Catholics assert, be unclean and also need a sacrifice?<\/span><\/p>\n

Pastor Slick stumbles upon the solution in his allusion to \u201critually unclean.\u201d<\/span> The question involves the relationship<\/em> of ritual uncleanliness to sin and morality. They are two different things. Pastor Slick, apparently not realizing this, therefore asks,<\/span> \u201cIf Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

A Catholic priest<\/a> who goes by the name of\u00a0AthanasiusOfAlex<\/span> further explains<\/a>:<\/p>\n

In summary, in Israel, so-called \u201csin\u201d offerings were offered for transgressions against the\u00a0ritual<\/em>\u00a0law, not so much for offenses against the\u00a0moral<\/em>\u00a0law.<\/span><\/p>\n

Moreover, just as Jesus submitted himself to the baptism of John, even though he did not need to repent of any sins, Mary wished to fulfill the requirements of the Jewish law out of loving obedience to God.<\/span><\/p>\n

There is, therefore, no contradiction between Mary\u2019s sinlessness (in the moral sense) and her offering a sacrifice to remove the merely\u00a0ritual<\/em>\u00a0impurity associated with childbirth. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

In ancient Israel, women were considered\u00a0ritually unclean<\/em>\u00a0for a few weeks after the birth of her child. (It varied according to the sex of the child; a total of 40 days for a boy, and 80 days for a girl. See vv. 2-6.) That essentially meant that they were unable to partake of the liturgical celebrations until their uncleanliness was over, at which time they were to make a sin offering, or either a lamb or a pair of pigeons or turtledoves (vv. 6-8).<\/span><\/p>\n

But it is important to note that ritual uncleanliness had nothing to do with\u00a0moral<\/em>\u00a0uncleanliness. Leviticus chapter 4 introduces the concept of sin offerings in this way:<\/span><\/p>\n

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, \u201cSpeak to the people of Israel, saying, If anyone sins\u00a0unintentionally<\/strong>\u00a0in any of the Lord\u2019s commandments about things not to be done, and does any one of them, if it is the anointed priest who sins \u2026 [and it goes on to spell out what each group should do] (Lev. 4:1-3).<\/span><\/p>\n

Sin offering could only be offered for\u00a0unintentional<\/em>\u00a0transgressions and, in general for the removal of\u00a0ritual<\/em>\u00a0uncleanliness. There was, in fact, no provision in the Law for the forgiveness of\u00a0moral<\/em>\u00a0offenses\u2014and this lack was one of the constant sufferings of the People of Israel. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

It should be observed that the Law did not make any exceptions. The moral character of the woman was never considered;\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0women had to make the sin offering after childbirth. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Jesus did something similar when he received the baptism of John. Jesus was also sinless and (unlike Mary)\u00a0incapable<\/em>\u00a0of sinning; and yet he received the baptism of repentance, because it was \u201cfitting \u2026 to fulfill all righteousness\u201d (Mt. 3:15).<\/span> (\u201cHow does one reconcile the sinlessness of Mary with her sin offering in Luke 2:24?\u201d<\/a>,\u00a0Christianity.StackExchange<\/em>, answer given on 9-15-15)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

With regard to the differentiation of moral and ritual impurities or uncleanliness in the Old Testament, in RSV, the word \u201cunwittingly\u201d is<\/span> applied 13 times<\/a> to sins where the person was unaware of having committed them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Peter Turner offered another answer on the same web page, on 5-4-18:<\/span><\/p>\n

Archbishop Fulton Sheen addresses this in his\u00a0Life of Christ.\u00a0<\/em>He notes that this is akin to the Circumcision of Jesus, he says these are two sides sin, one \u201cthe necessity of enduring pain to expiate for it\u201d and the \u201cneed for purification\u201d. He says that Jesus didn\u2019t need to be circumcised because He was God and she didn\u2019t need to be purified because she was conceived without sin.\u00a0But, to show \u201cthis Child\u2019s dedication to the Father was absolute, and would lead Him to the Cross\u201d\u00a0all those events took place.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Pastor Ricky Kurth, in his article,<\/span> \u201cDid Christ Offer Animal Sacrifices?\u201d<\/a> (Berean Bible Society<\/em>) offers further analogies of the sinless Christ also participating in such Mosaic rituals:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

[T]he Law required men to keep the seven feasts\u00a0of Leviticus 23, each of which involved an animal sacrifice,\u00a0and we know the Lord kept Israel\u2019s feasts (Luke 22:15; John\u00a07:2,10). These sacrifices were offered for the people of Israel\u00a0as a whole, and He was one of the people, and so in this way\u00a0He identified with them with animal sacrifices.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Related Material<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Protestant Claim:<\/a> \u201cMary was a Sinner Because She Offered a Sacrifice\u201d<\/a>\u00a0[Kris Smith, Da Pacem Domine<\/em>, 3-15-20]<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cAll Have Sinned\u201d vs. a Sinless, Immaculate Mary?<\/a>\u00a0[1996; revised and posted at\u00a0National Catholic Register<\/em>\u00a0on 12-11-17]<\/span><\/p>\n

Luke 1:28 (\u201cFull of Grace\u201d) & Immaculate Conception<\/a>\u00a0[2004]<\/span><\/p>\n

Mary\u2019s Immaculate Conception: A Biblical Argument<\/a>\u00a0[2010]<\/span><\/p>\n

Amazing Parallels Between Mary and the Ark of the Covenant<\/a>\u00a0[National Catholic Register<\/em>, 2-13-18]<\/span><\/p>\n

Biblical Support for Mary\u2019s Immaculate Conception<\/a>\u00a0[National Catholic Register<\/em>, 10-29-18]<\/span><\/p>\n

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Photo credit:<\/strong> <\/span>Baptism of Christ<\/em>, by Paris Bordon (1500-1571)<\/span> [Flickr<\/a> \/ CC BY-NC-SA 2.0<\/a> license]<\/span><\/p>\n

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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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