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This is a friendly dialogue begun spontaneously by\u00a0Jacqueline Cruz<\/a>\u00a0on my Facebook page<\/a>. Her words will be in blue<\/span>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n *****<\/p>\n Not trying to argue or anything, but why do people condemn sex acts between two men, but rarely condemn sex acts between two women? I\u2019ve noticed when Catholics go after the LGBT community, they usually come straight for the men, but rarely go into details of what women do with other women in bed, like why is that?<\/span><\/p>\n Dunno. Good question.<\/p>\n Same thing with the \u201ctranssexual\u201d stuff. The men who identify as women, usually get all the hate, while the women who identify as men don\u2019t. Either way, I don\u2019t believe in people \u201cchanging sex\u201d because sex is already set.<\/span><\/p>\n Then you would catch hell from many LGBT\u2019s, just as J. K. Rowling has.<\/p>\n I\u2019ve read one of your articles of sex, and it was talking about men having anal sex, like this conversation shouldn\u2019t be had with just them, but heterosexuals who have anal sex too. Also with same gender couples, it\u2019s not all about sex. Their lives do not revolve around sex, even though that\u2019s what society keeps trying to teach us. They really don\u2019t live any different than heterosexuals. I\u2019m not going after your religious beliefs on sex and marriage, just tired of people spreading misinformation about the LGBT community, to further harm the reputation of people who identify as such. The stereotypes that all men who like men are \u201cpromiscuous\u201d is very silly too. I know so many same gender couples who are men, and they have children with their partner. These men are not promiscuous and constantly looking for sex, so please don\u2019t generalize all, just because you see a few do it.<\/span><\/p>\n This is a friendly dialogue begun spontaneously by\u00a0Jacqueline Cruz\u00a0on my Facebook page. Her words will be in blue. ***** Not trying to argue or anything, but why do people condemn sex acts between two men, but rarely condemn sex acts between two women? I\u2019ve noticed when Catholics go after the LGBT community, they usually come […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":52427,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[123],"tags":[1697,2048,127,1698,275,251,2916,545,2047,128,1691,2049],"class_list":["post-52426","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-sexuality-and-gender-issues","tag-bible-homosexuality","tag-homosexual-sex","tag-homosexuality","tag-jesus-homosexuality","tag-lesbianism","tag-lgbt","tag-natural","tag-natural-law","tag-paul-homosexuality","tag-same-sex-marriage","tag-sodomy","tag-unnatural-sex"],"yoast_head":"\n\nIt is a fact that homosexuality (especially in men) highly tends to produce great promiscuity. See the famous study by Bell and Weinberg<\/a>. They reported on p. 308 of their book that 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. These stats weren\u2019t pulled out of thin air. They reflect real behavior. So it\u2019s not simply mythmaking to note the promiscuity.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nI think many homosexuals are a lot like what was portrayed in the recent movies about Elton John and Freddie Mercury of Queen: highly promiscuous, and then they settle down eventually with one partner. That\u2019s what these movies showed. It\u2019s not just \u201canti-gay\u201d propaganda and prejudice. It\u2019s the same with heterosexual men, generally speaking, though the numbers of partners are not nearly that high.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\nCatholics would say that anal sex is wrong because by nature it is non-procreative. This applies to the act whether homosexuals or heterosexuals engage in it.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\nYes, but we can\u2019t generalize all of them, just because a handful are promiscuous. Also men have higher sex drives than women, so some of it stems from that, but that doesn\u2019t mean all of them are promiscuous and want to sleep with every guy. The number of HIV cases worldwide, have actually went down with this group of men. More and more are choosing long term monogamous relationships, since marriage equality and civil unions became a thing.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\nAre the authors of those books \u201cheterosexual men?\u201d I don\u2019t usually listen to men attracted to women, when it comes to discussions about LGBT. I talk to actual people who are that way.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n\n\n83% having 50 or more partners and 43% with 500+ is not a \u201chandful\u201d!<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nIt\u2019s the genetic fallacy to dismiss something due to the source. Truth is truth. If they did the proper study, it\u2019s irrelevant what their own preferences are. If you say that a heterosexual man can\u2019t possibly talk about or understand homosexuality, then why are you bothering talking to me?<\/div>\n*<\/div>\nTruth comes from facts and reason, not simply the source of who provides it.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\nAlso do you really think same gender couples who are men, are no different than human beings raping and abusing animals? How do two consenting adults, who choose to make a lifelong commitment with each other, get clumped one with human beings raping animals? How are two human beings who consent to being in a relationship, get compared with a human taking advantage of an animal? Every time I hear this, I can\u2019t take people\u2019s arguments seriously. Also you compare adults raping children, with two adult men in a relationship, like how does that compare? Child molestation isn\u2019t about love or lifelong commitment, it\u2019s pure lust and a fetish for people of a certain age. <\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\nChild molestation is taking advantage of children. When two men or women commit to a relationship with each other, nobody is being taken advantage of. Also nobody is saying sex acts between two women or two men is natural at all. We know it\u2019s unnatural, but that doesn\u2019t mean they are less of humans. Heterosexuals are guilty of unnatural sex all the time. Everybody on earth knows two men and two women can\u2019t have children with each other, but they are adults and should have the right to be in a relationship with whatever consenting adult of their choice.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n\n\nNo; I don\u2019t equate it to raping and abusing animals at all. I simply think it is disordered sexual activity, just as I regard heterosexual fornication and adultery, and contraceptive sex. It\u2019s what the Catholic Church (and the Orthodox and for most of its history, Protestantism) has always taught and we have a well thought-out theology of marriage and sexuality.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nWe used to contracept in our marriage and it was wrong. We changed our mind about it in 1990 after six years of marriage.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nI also agree that child molestation or pedophilia is in a different category. You\u2019re talking about the difference between consensual sex and forced or abusive sex. Almost everyone can agree with that distinction.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\n\u201csex acts between two women or two men . . . We know it\u2019s unnatural . . .\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nWell, that\u2019s interesting, because it is the biblical and Catholic argument from natural law. Wouldn\u2019t that be an argument against it, then, if you agree with this premise?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\nIt is disordered, as in \u201cunnatural\u201d because they can\u2019t reproduce with one another. Yes contraceptives are unnatural too.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\nI support the LGB community, but everybody knows they can\u2019t have children, which makes it unnatural. A lot of things are \u201cunnatural\u201d like having autism, or having mental health issues, or having oral sex with a member of the opposite sex.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\nBut how do you conclude that it is unnatural? Many people today would say that non-procreative sex is perfectly natural simply because it feels good and satisfies a biological urge. You must still have Catholic elements in your thinking in this regard.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n\n\nMy oldest son is autistic and he would beg to differ. He calls non-autistic people \u201cneuro-typical.\u201d I love that!<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nIt\u2019s different or \u201cunnatural\u201d if you will (I would prefer, \u201cnon-normative\u201d), according to the thinking that almost everyone isn\u2019t autistic. But it\u2019s mostly just a different way of interacting with the world.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\nHow does somebody drinking urine or eating feces \u201cequate\u201d to two consenting adults in a committed relationship? Look, I\u2019m not arguing or trying to start one, just want to have a nice conversation with you about this \u201ctopic.\u201d I know so many people that say the same stuff as you, but don\u2019t want to engage in a conversation with me when I ask them questions about them. <\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\nAlso how do you know that two men having sex \u201crefuse to wear a condom?\u201d How does somebody know what they do in the bedroom, besides somebody who\u2019s actually not straight? Also in the end, what others do in their life, is none of your business. We all have to answer for our own sins. What I decide to do, or who I date, has nothing to do with you and if I\u2019m wrong in the end, I will be judged for my actions, not you.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n\n\nThe two do not equate, and I don\u2019t think I ever claimed that they did. You\u2019re just pulling things out of an article or two of mine, which have to be examined in context.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nI\u2019m delighted to have a \u201cnice conversation\u201d with you about whatever you want to talk about (related to theology and philosophy and ethics and morality, etc.). I do it all the time. I greatly appreciate your being willing to discuss these matters and being open and honest about it. I engage with people of almost all imaginable viewpoints, and do so without any personal animosity at all.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nAlso how do you know that two men having sex \u201crefuse to wear a condom?\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nThis is a prime example of something you took from what I wrote, but I\u2019d have to examine it in context. After 3000+ articles and 50 books, I can\u2019t remember every jot and tittle of what I wrote! And some of my writings go back almost 40 years.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nAlso how do you know that two men having sex \u201crefuse to wear a condom?\u201d How does somebody know what they do in the bedroom, besides somebody who\u2019s actually not straight?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nWell, obviously they know by inquiring in a survey or poll or scientific study. Here is what one of the latter discovered:<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n
N Z Med J<\/em><\/div>\n. 1992 Jul 8;105(937):262-4. [link<\/a>]<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n
\nCondom use in anal intercourse amongst people who identify as homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nJ Chetwynd 1, A Chambers, A J Hughes<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nAbstract<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nAims: to study condom use amongst those who practice anal intercourse.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nMethods: a sample of 814 clients attending anonymously for pretest counselling for HIV infection at the Burnett Clinic, Auckland, gave detailed information about their sexual behaviour.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nResults: insertive or receptive anal intercourse was reported in 39% of clients. This included 89% among homosexual men, 78% among bisexual men, 17% among heterosexual men and 21% among heterosexual women. In those practising anal intercourse concomitant condom use was reported by 71% of homosexual men, 53% of bisexual men, 16% of heterosexual men and 7% of heterosexual women. Those most likely to use condoms were homosexual men, prostitutes, those with multiple partners and those with an HIV infected partner. Those least likely to use condoms were heterosexual men or women.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n
Conclusions: whilst substantial changes in sexual practices appear to have been made in the homosexual community, heterosexuals practising anal intercourse have made few such changes. More explicit AIDS education may be necessary which acknowledges that anal intercourse is practised by heterosexuals and advises condom use accordingly.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\nSo that\u2019s<\/em> how we know. In this study, 29% of homosexual men, 47% of bisexual men did not<\/em><\/strong> use a condom.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n\nAlso in the end, what others do in their life, is none of your business. We all have to answer for our own sins.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nIn one sense \u2014 in terms of privacy and legal rights, it is not, I agree. In another sense, it is in terms of the old adage, \u201cI am my brother\u2019s keeper.\u201d As a compassionate Christian, if I believe something is harmful to people and will cause them misery and sorrow, and in some cases even death, in the long run, love demands that I share with them the dangers as I have ascertained and understand them.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nOne must do so in the right spirit and very carefully, but it still is our duty as Christians to share what we know.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nI also disagree that one group of human beings and their behavior has nothing to do with larger society. This is clearly false, and is the false premise of libertarianism.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n*<\/div>\nAn example would be studies about the absence of fathers (or mothers) in a home<\/a>. Secular sociology has established that this is very harmful to children, and it applies to both broken heterosexual families (divorce or death or abandonment) and also homosexual couples who adopt.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nAgain, these are the determinations of secular social science, not simply Christians \u201cpreaching\u201d. We ignore this information at our own peril. But children are harmed by that, so it\u2019s not true that the behavior of two people in a relationship doesn\u2019t affect anyone else in society.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nThanks for talking and God bless you, Jacqueline.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n***<\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\nPhoto credit:<\/span><\/strong>\u00a0mmi9\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0(9-12-17)<\/span> [Pixabay<\/a> \/\u00a0Pixabay License<\/a>]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n***<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"