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Luke wrote:<\/p>\n
Interestingly, the scene on the ark is an empty seat flanked by two angelic beings. There is no image enthroned on the seat, yet it is this seemingly empty space above the seat that is the focus of the whole construction. That is the space that represents the presence of God. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThe veneration before the ark was never directed at the Cherub figures. It was always directed at this imageless space above the seat that represented the presence of God . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThere is, again, no place for the veneration of the Cherub statues themselves. They exist only to direct undivided veneration to the presence of God above the mercy seat, for which there is no image. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n[T]he Jews worshiped God alone without images. The veneration of images was rejected while the worship of the invisible God without any icon or sculpture as its object was accepted. There is simply no biblical precedent for the acceptable veneration of images of heavenly beings, whether they be images of angels, fallen saints, or God Himself.<\/span><\/p>\nI beg to differ:<\/p>\n
Exodus 3:2<\/strong> (RSV) And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire<\/em> out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and lo, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.<\/p>\nExodus 13:21-22<\/strong>\u00a0And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud<\/em> to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire<\/em> to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night; [22] the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night did not depart from before the people. (cf. 14:24; Num 14:14; Neh 9:12, 19)<\/p>\nExodus 19:18<\/strong> And Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke, because\u00a0the LORD descended upon it in fire<\/em>;\u00a0 . . .<\/p>\nExodus 24:16\u00a0<\/strong>The glory of the LORD settled on Mount Sinai<\/em>, and the cloud covered it six days; and on the seventh day he called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud<\/em>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\nNow, it might be objected that these are indeed images conveying God, or through which God is \u201cseen\u201d or experienced, but they are not proof that worship<\/em> was allowed to be directed through<\/em> such images to God. Well, the Bible teaches that<\/em>, too:<\/p>\nExodus 33:9-10\u00a0<\/b>When Moses entered the tent,\u00a0the pillar of cloud would descend<\/em> and stand at the door of the tent, and the LORD would speak with Moses. [10] And\u00a0when all the people\u00a0saw\u00a0the pillar of cloud\u00a0<\/em>standing at the door of the tent,\u00a0all the people would rise up and worship<\/span><\/em>, every man at his tent door.<\/p>\n2 Chronicles 7:3-4\u00a0<\/b>When all the children of Israel\u00a0saw\u00a0the\u00a0fire come down and the glory of the LORD\u00a0upon the temple,\u00a0they bowed down with their faces to the earth on the pavement, and worshiped and gave thanks<\/span> to the LORD<\/em>, saying, \u201cFor he is good, for his steadfast love endures for ever.\u201d [4] Then the king and all the people\u00a0offered sacrifice\u00a0before the LORD<\/em><\/span>.<\/p>\nPsalm 5:7<\/strong>\u00a0But I through the abundance of thy steadfast love will enter thy house, I will\u00a0worship toward thy holy temple<\/em><\/span>\u00a0in the fear of thee.<\/p>\nEzekiel 1:26-28\u00a0<\/strong>And above the firmament over their heads there was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like sapphire; and seated above the likeness of a throne was a likeness as it were of a human form<\/em>. [27] And upward from what had the appearance of his loins I saw as it were gleaming bronze, like the appearance of fire enclosed round about; and downward from what had the appearance of his loins I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and there was brightness round about him. [28] Like the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud on the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face<\/span><\/em>, and I heard the voice of one speaking.<\/p><\/blockquote>\nLuke makes a clever and interesting argument that the space between the mercy seat on top of the ark of the covenant, where God says He is present and to be worshiped (despite being surrounded<\/em> by carved cherubim [angels]) is \u201cempty space\u201d<\/span> and \u201cimageless space\u201d<\/span> and \u201cwith no image.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0But this is untrue, as the Bible informs us:<\/p>\nLeviticus 16:2\u00a0<\/strong>and the LORD said to Moses, \u201cTell Aaron your brother not to come at all times into the holy place within the veil, before the mercy seat which is upon the ark, lest he die; for I will appear<\/strong> in the\u00a0<\/b>cloud\u00a0<\/strong>upon the mercy seat<\/em>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\nThis cloud was visible<\/em>, just as in other passages above, like Exodus 13:21; 19:18; 24:16; 33:10 (\u201cthe people\u00a0saw\u00a0the pillar of cloud\u201d), and others like Numbers 16:42 (\u201cthe cloud<\/em> covered it, and the glory of the LORD appeared<\/em>\u201c) and Deuteronomy 31:15 (\u201cAnd the LORD appeared<\/em> in the tent in a pillar of cloud<\/em>\u201c). The very word \u201cappear\u201d in Leviticus 16:2\u00a0 and the last two passages also proves it. God doesn\u2019t just say that He will be \u201cpresent\u201d, but that He will \u201cappear\u201d in this cloud.<\/p>\n***<\/p>\n
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