{"id":52627,"date":"2020-11-17T13:36:14","date_gmt":"2020-11-17T17:36:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=52627"},"modified":"2020-11-17T13:37:38","modified_gmt":"2020-11-17T17:37:38","slug":"debate-on-marys-assumption-the-bible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/11\/debate-on-marys-assumption-the-bible.html","title":{"rendered":"Debate on Mary&#8217;s Assumption &#038; the Bible"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>vs. Matt Slick<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-52631\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2020\/11\/MaryAssumption.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"457\"><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">This is a reply to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/carm.org\/matt-slick\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Matt Slick<\/a>: Presbyterian pastor and head of the large and influential anti-Catholic Protestant\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Christian_Apologetics_and_Research_Ministry\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">CARM<\/a>\u00a0discussion forum. I am responding to his article, <a href=\"https:\/\/carm.org\/catholic\/bodily-assumption-mary\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cThe Bodily Assumption of Mary.\u201d<\/a>\u00a0His words will be in\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">For such a supremely important dogma of the Church that must be believed to be a faithful Christian, one would think that it would be found in God\u2019s Inspired Word, the Bible.\u00a0 But, it is not.\u00a0 There isn\u2019t a single mention in God\u2019s word.\u00a0 The Vatican admits as much: \u201cthe New Testament does not explicitly affirm Mary\u2019s Assumption,\u201d (<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/vatican.va\/holy_father\/john_paul_ii\/audiences\/1997\/documents\/hf_jp-ii_aud_02071997_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">General Audience<\/a><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">, # 3, Pope John Paul II)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">So, if it isn\u2019t in the Bible, where did the Roman Catholic church get this teaching?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Pastor Slick claims that the Assumption is <em>totally absent<\/em> from Scripture. Then he quotes Pope st. John Paul II saying that it\u2019s not \u201cexplicitly\u201d in the Bible. These are, of course, two different things. After citing that, he goes right back to saying <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cit isn\u2019t in the Bible.\u201d<\/span> This is shoddy and dishonest research: scandalous for a man of the cloth.<\/p>\n<p>His own Reformed Protestant (Calvinist) tradition \u2014 and indeed other Protestant traditions \u2014\u00a0 draw the same distinction between implicit and explicit biblical teachings. The Westminster Confession of Faith (held by all or virtually all Reformed Protestants) states in 1:6:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man\u2019s salvation, faith and life,\u00a0<em>is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture<\/em>: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men. Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word: and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed. (my italicized emphases)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Jeffrey Waddington, in his article, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.placefortruth.org\/blog\/confession-and-theology-explicit-and-implicit-scriptural-teaching\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cConfession and Theology: Explicit and Implicit Scriptural Teaching\u201d<\/a> (<em>Place for Truth<\/em>, 6-22-16) elaborates:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Scripture is authoritative in what it expressly sets down and what can be deduced by good and necessary consequence. That is not to say that everything we think we can deduce from Scripture is authoritative but that what is deduced by good and necessary consequence is. We will have to build arguments to defend our understandings of Scripture and we will have to persuade the church. We will have to unpack our logic and the texts that come together to form the bedrock of our hermeneutical convictions. Maybe it would be nice if we had a proof text for everything. But I suspect not because God has chosen to give implicit authoritative teaching in the Bible. . . .<\/p>\n<p>[W]e need to reckon with the fact that what the Bible teaches explicitly and implicitly is God\u2019s Word. Period. End of discussion.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A version of this argument that I often use is to ask, \u201cwhere in the Bible does it say that all true doctrines must be <em>explicitly<\/em> stated in Scripture?\u201d There is no such passage. Therefore, to require this is to appeal to an unbiblical tradition and not to Scripture itself. How ironic! But as I just showed, most Protestants recognize the distinction between explicit and implicit biblical teaching.<\/p>\n<p>In<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/02\/explicit-bible-proofs-protestant-double-standards.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0another paper of mine<\/a>,\u00a0I deal with many such instances of Protestant distinctives (as well as both Protestant and Catholic terminology) that never appear in the Bible:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[T]he New Testament never mentions an \u201caltar call\u201d. It never has the typical \u201csinner\u2019s prayer\u201d of evangelicals. It doesn\u2019t mention church buildings. It never uses the word\u00a0\u201cTrinity.\u201d It never uses\u00a0the frequently mentioned evangelical terminology of \u201cpersonal relationship with Jesus.\u201d . . .<\/p>\n<p>Other beliefs or practices not explicitly mentioned in the Bible are Bible studies, separating young people during church services, and grape juice as an element to be consecrated for communion (rather than wine), \u201casking Jesus into one\u2019s heart,\u201d a \u201cbody of believers,\u201d Scripture interpreting Scripture (the more clear helping to understand the less clear), agreeing on \u201cessential\u201d or \u201cprimary\u201d doctrines and permitted relativism regarding \u201cnon-essential\u201d or \u201csecondary\u201d doctrines, denominations (vs. the biblical \u201cone Church\u201d). . . .<\/p>\n<p>Some popular Protestant (and also often Catholic) words or phrases \u00a0that do not appear in the Bible are\u00a0<em>rapture<\/em>,\u00a0<em>invisible church<\/em>,<em>\u00a0incarnation<\/em>,\u00a0<em>virgin birth<\/em>,<em>\u00a0holy communion<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Lord\u2019s prayer<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Bible<\/em>,\u00a0<em>original sin<\/em>,\u00a0<em>fall of man<\/em>,\u00a0<em>theology<\/em>,\u00a0<em>go[ing] to church<\/em>,\u00a0<em>grace alone<\/em>,\u00a0<em>[total] depravity<\/em>,\u00a0<em>unconditional election<\/em>,\u00a0<em>limited atonement<\/em>,\u00a0<em>irresistible grace<\/em>,\u00a0<em>perseverance of the saints<\/em>,\u00a0<em>spirituality<\/em>,\u00a0<em>Scripture alone<\/em>,<em>\u00a0pray for guidance<\/em>,\u00a0<em>pray for direction<\/em>,\u00a0<em>spiritual warfare<\/em>, and\u00a0<em>sin nature<\/em>.\u00a0<em>Faith alone<\/em>\u00a0only appears once:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>James 2:24\u00a0<\/strong>[RSV]<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>You see that a man is justified by works and\u00a0<strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0by<b>\u00a0<\/b><em>faith alone<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span data-ft='{\"tn\":\"K\"}'><span class=\"UFICommentBody _1n4g\">Protestants manage to believe all these things (or use these words) with no problem whatever. Why? Or, more specifically, why do they believe these things, which are absent from or non-explicit in the Bible, while giving Catholics misery for similar things, or else doctrines and practices with far\u00a0<em>more<\/em>\u00a0indication of various sorts than the things above, that Protestants accept? Why the double standard? Or is it just that the Protestants who sling these sorts of \u201carguments\u201d about never think about them very deeply, or have never met a Catholic who can show that they are very weak arguments indeed?<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Another argument I use is to challenge Protestants to show us where their fundamental doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> is explicitly stated in Scripture. It\u2019s not, and more sophisticated Protestants will readily acknowledge this and argue that it is, nevertheless, able to be deduced from several other Scriptures. I disagree with the latter contention, too, but it is a position stated by many respectable, renowned Protestant apologists and theologians. The full doctrine, as stated by its most zealous Protestant adherents, is that Scripture is the only supreme and infallible authority for Christian doctrine [which excludes the infallibility and binding authority of Church and tradition].\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The other example I give is the canonicity of biblical books. This is definitely not stated in the Bible itself, at all: not even implicitly. Yet Protestants believe in a 66-book canon (excluding seven deuterocanonical books that Catholics accept). Why? Well, they make various arguments about apostolicity, etc., but the fact remains that they had to accept authoritative apostolic tradition and Church proclamations in order to get to that point: in other words: principles of authority and the rule of faith that are expressly contradictory to <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Catholic arguments for the bodily Assumption of Mary are of the same nature. We have no objection to authoritative tradition and an authoritative Church, so we are not \u2014 like Protestants \u2014 <em>internally contradictory<\/em> in our arguments for the Assumption. I have made several biblical arguments for it, that are implicit, deductive, and\/or arguments from analogy:<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/bodily-assumption-of-mary-harmonious-with-the-bible.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Bodily Assumption of Mary: Harmonious with the Bible?<\/a>\u00a0[2002]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/08\/marys-assumption-brief-explanation-new-biblical-parallel.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Mary\u2019s Assumption: Brief Explanation, with a New (?) Biblical Parallel<\/a>\u00a0[3-1-07]<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/08\/marys-bodily-assumption-eleven-related-bible-passages.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Mary\u2019s Bodily Assumption: Eleven Related Bible Passages<\/a>\u00a0[2009]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/01\/defending-mary-revelation-12-her-assumption.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Defending Mary (Revelation 12 &amp; Her Assumption)<\/a>\u00a0[5-28-12]<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/is-marys-assumption-able-to-be-inferred-from-scripture-alone.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Is Mary\u2019s Assumption Able to be Inferred from Scripture Alone?<\/a>\u00a0[8-14-15]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/bible-on-marys-assumption.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Bible on Mary\u2019s Assumption<\/a>\u00a0[2015]<\/p>\n<p>One argument I make (in a nutshell) is that Mary\u2019s Immaculate Conception is able to be <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/luke-128-full-of-grace-immaculate-conception.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">established from Scripture alone<\/a>, on the basis of Luke 1:28 and the deeper meaning of \u201cfull of grace\u201d and other passages on grace and its antithesis to sin. If that is established, then it would follow that Mary would not undergo decay after death, since this comes about through sin. It follows that she could be instantly resurrected, by God\u2019s will.<\/p>\n<p>She is simply the first of all of the saved and elect persons who will be resurrected or \u201craised\u201d (see a <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=raised&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">host of New Testament passages<\/a> on that; notably, 1 Corinthians ch. 15). Catholics contend: \u201cwho <em>better<\/em> to be the first to be raised, than the mother of Jesus: God the Son?\u201d Tradition has determined that it was plausible and fitting for this to occur. It may not be explicit in Scripture, but it is harmonious with it, and contradicts nothing in it. Mary was simply the first Christian to be resurrected.<\/p>\n<p>We also find analogies to such a thing in, for example, Enoch and Elijah being taken immediately to heaven.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Because the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary is not found in the Bible, it must be derived from what Roman Catholicism calls\u00a0Sacred Tradition\u2013the oral tradition handed down from the apostles that is equal in authority to the Bible.\u00a0 Unfortunately, the first few hundred years of \u201ctradition\u201d make no mention whatsoever of the bodily assumption of Mary.\u00a0 In fact, we find contradictory evidence in Early Church Tradition.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Again, Protestants themselves have no problem in holding doctrines that are not explicitly biblical (<em>sola Scriptura<\/em>), or not biblical at all (the canon of the biblical books), so why do they give us a hard time about the Assumption? It\u2019s a double standard. Many doctrines that they hold were not readily apparent, and far from the <em>consensus<\/em> of the early Church and the Church fathers:<\/p>\n<p>I made further such analogical arguments in a long<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/how-newman-convinced-me-to-become-a-catholic.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0article explaining my conversion to Catholicism<\/a>, citing Cardinal Newman and his\u00a0<em>Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine<\/em>:<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Newman proceeded to make brilliant specific analogies in order to bring home his point. The first had to do with the doctrine of purgatory, vis-a-vis the doctrine of original sin, which is, of course, accepted by Protestants as well:<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">*<\/div>\n<blockquote style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Some notion of suffering, or disadvantage, or punishment after this life, in the case of the faithful departed, or other vague forms of the doctrine of Purgatory, has in its favour almost a consensus of the first four ages of the Church.\u00a0(16)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Newman then recounts no less than sixteen Fathers who hold the view in some form. But in comparing this consensus to the doctrine of original sin, we find a disjunction:<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">*<\/div>\n<blockquote style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">No one will say that there is a testimony of the Fathers, equally strong, for the doctrine of Original Sin.\u00a0(17) In spite of the forcible teaching of St. Paul on the subject, the doctrine of Original Sin appears neither in the Apostles\u2019 nor the Nicene Creed.\u00a0(18)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">This is a crucial distinction. It is a serious problem for Protestantism that it by and large inconsistently rejects doctrines which have a consensus in the early Church, such as purgatory, the (still developing) papacy, bishops, the Real Presence, regenerative infant baptism, apostolic succession, and intercession of the saints, while accepting others with far less explicit early sanction, such as original sin. Even many of their own foundational and distinctive doctrines, such as the notion of\u00a0<i>Faith Alone<\/i>\u00a0(<i>sola fide<\/i>), or imputed, extrinsic, forensic justification, are well-nigh nonexistent all through Church history until Luther\u2019s arrival on the scene, as, for example, prominent Protestant apologist Norman Geisler recently freely admitted:<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">*<\/div>\n<blockquote style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">[T]hese valuable insights into the doctrine of justification had been largely lost throughout much of Christian history, and it was the Reformers who recovered this biblical truth . . .During the patristic, and especially the later medieval periods, forensic justification was largely lost . . . Still, the theological formulations of such figures as Augustine, Anselm, and Aquinas did not preclude a rediscovery of this\u00a0<i>judicial\u00a0<\/i>element in the Pauline doctrine of justification . . .<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">[O]ne can be saved without believing that imputed righteousness (or forensic justification) is an essential part of the true gospel. Otherwise, few people were saved between the time of the apostle Paul and the Reformation, since scarcely anyone taught imputed righteousness (or forensic justification) during that period!\u00a0(19)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">On the other hand, Protestants clearly accept developing doctrine on several fronts: the Canon of the New Testament is a clear example of such a (technically \u201cnon-biblical\u201d) doctrine It wasn\u2019t finalized until 397 A.D. The divinity of Christ was dogmatically proclaimed only at the \u201clate\u201d date of 325, the fully worked-out doctrine of the Holy Trinity in 381, and the Two Natures of Christ (God and Man) in 451, all in Ecumenical Councils which are accepted by most Protestants. So development is an unavoidable fact for both Protestants and Catholics.<\/p>\n<p><em>Footnotes<\/em>:<\/p>\n<p>16. St. John Henry Cardinal Newman,\u00a0<em>An\u00a0Essay\u00a0on the Development of Christian Doctrine<\/em>: edition published by the University of Notre Dame Press, 1989, with a foreword by Ian Ker, from the 1878 edition of the original work of 1845; p. 21.<br>\n17.\u00a0<i>Ibid<\/i>., p. 21.<br>\n18.\u00a0<i>Ibid<\/i>., p. 23.<br>\n19.\u00a0Norman L. Geisler and Ralph E. MacKenzie,\u00a0<i>Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences<\/i>, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books, 1995,\u00a0 pp. 247-248, 503.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Obviously, such a dogma, such an all-important essential of the Christian church, would have been mentioned by at least some of the Church Fathers within the first few centuries.\u00a0 But, it wasn\u2019t.\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Because it wasn\u2019t taught, and it is not a true doctrine of Christianity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Obviously, <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> and the canon of the biblical books, such all-important essentials of the Christian church, would have been mentioned by at least some of the Church Fathers within the first few centuries.\u00a0 But, they weren\u2019t.\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Because they weren\u2019t taught, and they are not\u00a0 true doctrines of Christianity.<\/p>\n<p>See how the \u201creasoning\u201d works when applied to things that Protestants believe, too? If they reject the latter, then they ought to reject the silly and insubstantial arguments against Mary\u2019s Assumption. Going down this road only raises innumerable difficulties for them, that they <em>don\u2019t<\/em> want to grapple with (believe me, I know this <em>firsthand<\/em>, from thirty years of apologetics \/ theological dialogues with Protestants).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If Mary was sinless, why did she die?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I guess for the same reason that<em> Jesus<\/em> was sinless, yet died. If one is believed, then it is plausible or permissible or \u201cfitting\u201d to believe the latter as well.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>The Assumption of the Virgin<\/em>, by Charles Le Brun (1619-1690)<\/span>\u00a0[public domain \/\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:L%27Assomption_de_la_Vierge,_Le_Brun.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>vs. Matt Slick \u00a0 This is a reply to\u00a0Matt Slick: Presbyterian pastor and head of the large and influential anti-Catholic Protestant\u00a0CARM\u00a0discussion forum. I am responding to his article, \u201cThe Bodily Assumption of Mary.\u201d\u00a0His words will be in\u00a0blue. ***** For such a supremely important dogma of the Church that must be believed to be a faithful [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":52631,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[231,45],"tags":[2361,1507,3176,4836,3178,503,2356,3175,9237,5468,4835,4222],"class_list":["post-52627","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anti-catholicism","category-blessed-virgin-mary","tag-anti-catholicism","tag-assumption-of-mary","tag-bodily-assumption-of-mary","tag-carm","tag-dormition","tag-marian-doctrine","tag-mariology","tag-marys-assumption","tag-marys-bodily-assumption","tag-marys-death","tag-matt-slick","tag-two-witnesses-of-revelation"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Debate on Mary&#039;s Assumption &amp; the Bible Debate on Mary&#039;s Assumption &amp; the Bible<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"vs. Matt Slick &nbsp; This is a reply to\u00a0Matt Slick: Presbyterian pastor and head of the large and influential anti-Catholic Protestant\u00a0CARM\u00a0discussion Protestant anti-Catholic apologist Matt Slick makes various tired arguments against Mary&#039;s Assumption. 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