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Portrait of John Wesley<\/em> (1788), by William Hamilton (1751-1801)<\/span> [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/div>\n
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John Wesley<\/span><\/a>\u00a0(1703-1791) was the founder of Methodism and a lifelong Anglican. From the book,\u00a0John Wesley in Company With High Churchmen<\/span><\/a>, Harrington William Holden, London: Church Press, 5th edition, 1872,\u00a0pp. 84-87<\/a>. Wesley\u2019s own words will be in\u00a0blue<\/span>.<\/div>\n
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Wesley taught the propriety of Praying for the Dead, practiced it himself, and provided\u00a0Forms<\/span>, that others might. These forms, for daily use, he put forth, not tentatively or apologetically, but as considering such prayer a settled matter of Christian practice, with all who believe that the Faithful, living and dead, are one Body in Christ, in equal need and like expectation of those blessings which they will together enjoy, when both see Him in His Kingdom. Two or three examples, out of many, may be given: \u2014\u00a0\u201cO grant that we, with those who are already dead in Thy faith and fear, may together partake of a joyful resurrection.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0(x.40.)\u00a0\u201c. . . that we all together with those that now sleep in Thee, may awake to life everlasting.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0(p. 48.)\u00a0\u201cBring us, with all those who have pleased Thee from the beginning of the world, into the glories of Thy Son\u2019s Kingdom.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0(p. 73.)\u00a0\u201cBy Thy infinite mercies, vouchsafe to bring us, with those that are dead in Thee, to rejoice together before Thee,\u201d<\/span>\u00a0&c.; (p. 77.) The Prayers passed through many editions, and were in common use among thousands of Methodists of every degree, who, without scruple or doubtfulness, prayed for those who sleep in Jesus every day that they prayed to the common Father of all. Insomuch that there are Methodists of the old school (still abiding in the Ship by Wesley\u2019s advice), who use them night and morning to this day, entirely undisturbed by the doubts which modern disputers have sought to cast upon the practice.<\/p>\n

One such disputer (Bishop Lavington) did Wesley encounter, and notices him thus: \u2014\u00a0\u201cYour fourth argument is, That in a collection of Prayers, I cite the words of an ancient Liturgy \u2014 \u2018for the Faithful Departed.\u2019 Sir, whenever I use those word in the Burial Service, I pray to the same effect: \u2018That we, with all those who are departed in Thy faith and fear, may have our perfect consummation of bliss, both in body and soul.\u2019 Yea, and whenever I say, \u2018Thy Kingdom come;\u2019 for I mean both the kingdom of grace and glory. In this kind of general prayer, therefore, for the Faithful Departed, I conceive myself to be clearly justified, both by the earliest Antiquity, by the Church of England, and by the Lord\u2019s Prayer.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0(1750.) xvi.345.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

. . .\u00a0\u201c\u2018 \u2018Tis certain, Praying for the Dead was common in the second century:\u2019 you might have said, and in the first also<\/span>\u00a0(replied Wesley);\u00a0seeing that petition, \u2018Thy Kingdom come.\u2019 manifestly concerns the saints in Paradise, as well as those upon earth.\u201d \u201cPraying thus far for the dead, \u2018That God would shortly accomplish the number of His elect, and hasten His Kingdom,\u2019 you will not easily prove to be any corruption at all.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0xviii. 154, 155.<\/p>\n

Having thus silenced these clerical disputants, Wesley re-published the above Prayers and continued the sale of them at all his preaching-houses as long as he lived. . . .<\/p>\n

Exactly answerable to all this, are those awful words, in the prayer at the burial of the dead \u2014\u00a0\u2018Beseeching Thee, that it may please Thee of Thy gracious goodness, shortly to accomplish the number of Thine elect, and to hasten Thy Kingdom; that we. with all those who are departed in the true faith of Thy Holy Name, may have our perfect consummation and bliss, both in body and soul, in Thy everlasting glory.'\u201d<\/span>\u00a0Ss<\/span>. 1. 298. . . .<\/p>\n

And in a Manuscript of Mr. Wesley\u2019s recently published for the first time; without date, but expressing the sentiment of his whole life as the above citations from his several\u00a0Works<\/span>\u00a0sufficiently show; he says,\u00a0\u201cI believe it to be a duty to observe to<\/span>\u00a0pray for the Faithful Departed.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Likewise, in what Martin Luther regarded as his final confession of faith in his 1528 work against the Zwinglians,\u00a0Confession Concerning Christ\u2019s Supper<\/i>, he wrote as follows:<\/p>\n

As for the dead, since Scripture gives us no information on the subject, I regard it as no sin to pray with free devotion in this or some similar fashion: \u2018Dear God, if this soul is in a condition accessible to mercy, be thou gracious to it.\u2019 And when this has been done once or twice, let it suffice.<\/p>\n

(Luther\u2019s Works<\/i>, Vol. 37, p. 369)<\/p>\n

Luther\u2019s approval of prayers for the dead given out of free devotion was shared in Luther\u2019s successor Philip Melanchthon\u2019s apology to the Augsburg Confession (article XXIV, 94),\u00a0where he wrote<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Now, as regards the adversaries\u2019 citing the Fathers concerning the offering for the dead, we know that the ancients speak of prayer for the dead, which we do not prohibit; . . .<\/span><\/p>\n

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. . . (also, approval of Luther and Lutherans) Portrait of John Wesley (1788), by William Hamilton (1751-1801) [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons] (7-13-09) John Wesley\u00a0(1703-1791) was the founder of Methodism and a lifelong Anglican. From the book,\u00a0John Wesley in Company With High Churchmen, Harrington William Holden, London: Church Press, 5th edition, 1872,\u00a0pp. 84-87. 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