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Atheist anti-theist Jonathan M. S. Pearce is the main writer on the blog,\u00a0A Tippling Philosopher<\/em><\/a>.\u00a0His\u00a0\u201cAbout\u201d page<\/a>\u00a0states: \u201cPearce is a philosopher, author, blogger, public speaker and teacher from Hampshire in the UK. He specialises in philosophy of religion, but likes to turn\u00a0his hand to science, psychology, politics and anything involved in investigating reality.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n *****<\/p>\n I am replying to Jonathan\u2019s paper, \u201cPaul Justifies Lying\u201d<\/a> (2-11-21).\u00a0His words will be in blue<\/span><\/span>.<\/p>\n In writing my forthcoming book on the Resurrection of Jesus, it has been important to look at Jesus\u2019 earliest source, Paul. Paul is famous for not actually telling us much about Jesus at all. [repetitive typo corrected]<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n Right. Paul basically engages in systematic Christian theology (which is, of course, in the end, all about Jesus: He being God). In doing that, several things are presupposed. We have four Gospels that tell us plenty about Jesus, in terms of His life. They don\u2019t do systematic theology. Paul does.<\/p>\n Apparently, Jonathan thinks that Paul should in effect be a fifth Gospel writer. Four\u2019s not enough. In my edition of RSV, the Gospels take up 145 pages. Paul\u2019s epistles take up about 87 pages. But Jonathan: the Great Bible Judge, opines that Paul needs to write in the same style or format as the Gospels and can\u2019t do anything different, on pain of being accused of not knowing anything about \/ not teaching enough about Jesus. Makes total sense<\/em>, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n There are some genuinely quite problematic Pauline verses that should raise some eyebrows concerning his agenda and methodology for converting others and evangelising:<\/span><\/p>\n I\u2019m trembling in my boots. Jonathan is gonna expose Paul as a moral relativist who thinks lying is fine and dandy! What will I do now<\/em>??!! I\u2019ve put all my eggs in the basket of defending Christianity and the Bible, including this scumbag, Paul. Now I will have no career and at least 2,500 of my 3,200 articles will be null and void: fit only for the trash heap! Well, I can always be a Bible-bashing anti-theist atheist like Jonathan! Or I can simply take scissors to my Bible and cut out Paul (just as Thomas Jefferson \u2014 knowing better than God and 1800 years of Christianity \u2014 removed all of Jesus\u2019 miracles). So hope springs eternal . . .<\/p>\n [ . . . ]<\/span> There seem to be various instances of Paul justifying any means to get across the \u201ctruth\u201d of Jesus, that he could be justifying lying for Jesus. There is a divergence of historical, veridical truth of events, and theological truth. <\/span><\/p>\n Well, we shall see<\/em> about that. Atheist \u201cexegesis\u201d always has the depth of a half-evaporated, one millimeter thick puddle of water on the sidewalk. Jonathan does none here (perhaps he does in his book). He just throws out three Pauline passages, as if they self-evidently justify lying.<\/p>\n But as I mention in this and my Nativity book, with reference to the Nativity of Jesus and the work of Catholic exegete Raymond Brown, if there are no historical foundations, then what is the Christian hanging their theological truth on?<\/span> We agree! So not only is there a silence from Paul, as I discuss in the book, but what there is could be, by his own admission, \u201cfake news\u201d to serve a religious purpose.<\/span><\/p>\n I see. Paul admits to serving up \u201cfake news.\u201d He was the CNN and MSDNC of his day. Gotcha, Jonathan. Now let\u2019s examine the actual \u201cincriminating\u201d passages in St. Paul:<\/p>\n Romans 3:7-8<\/span> \u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n 7\u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>But if through my lie\u00a0the truth of God abounded to His glory,\u00a0why am I also still being judged as a sinner?\u00a08\u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>And why not\u00a0say<\/em>\u00a0(as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), \u201cLet us do evil that good may come\u201d?\u00a0Their condemnation is just.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n Jonathan doesn\u2019t say which translation he is using. It is NASB (1995 edition). I use RSV:<\/p>\n But if through my falsehood God\u2019s truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?\u00a0[8] And why not do evil that good may come? \u2014 as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n In context, this is obviously a rhetorical section<\/em> (not uncommon in Paul): not to be taken literally as all his own opinion. As such, it is (so it seems) far too subtle for the average anti-theist atheist to correctly comprehend (such atheists are rendered unable to do so by extreme bias and hostility). Many atheists, having formerly been fundamentalists, interpret the Bible hyper-literally and have no inkling of the rich diversity of literary and even philosophical styles and senses of Scripture (which reach their apogee in Paul).<\/p>\n They simply repeat their old tired, silly errors: now as atheists. And this is precisely what Jonathan (whether he used to be a fundamentalist or not) does. He interprets it as Paul justifying lying, in an \u201canything goes\u201d \/ \u201cany immoral means for the sake of a good end\u201d sense. This is absurd. Context is crucially important to understand what Paul is driving at, and to grasp that he is employing non-literal\u00a0rhetoric<\/em><\/strong>:<\/p>\n Romans 3:1-6\u00a0<\/strong>Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision?\u00a0[2] Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews are entrusted with the oracles of God.\u00a0[3] What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?\u00a0[4] By no means! Let God be true though every man be false, as it is written, \u201cThat thou mayest be justified in thy words,\u00a0and prevail when thou art judged.\u201d\u00a0[5] But if our wickedness serves to show the justice of God, what shall we say? That God is unjust to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.)\u00a0[6] By no means! For then how could God judge the world?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n So what<\/em> is Paul arguing? Admittedly, there is much nuance and subtlety, as always in Paul (the big \u201cintellectual\u201d of the New Testament). No one is saying he is always easy<\/em> to understand. There is \u201cdeep theology\u201d here that many Christians don\u2019t grasp; let alone a hostile, theologically grossly unequipped atheist). On the other hand, there is no basis for a hostile atheist to immediately come to the conclusion that Paul is flat-out justifying lying. Joel Watts explains the particular rhetorical device that Paul is employing:<\/p>\n Previously,\u00a0I posted Quintilian\u2019<\/a>s boundaries for the use of prosopopoeia, a literary device that allows a speaker to create a fictional dialogue partner. It has been long recognized that Paul employs such a method in Romans 2-4\u00a0in dealing with Jewish resentment to Gentile salvation. . . .<\/p>\n I note that Paul was writing to the Church in Rome, which would have had accesses to the numerous philosophical, rhetorical, and oratory schools which abounded in the city. As Christians left these places for the Church, they would have brought their knowledge of these highly refined skills for use in the local congregation. With Paul being a supremely educated Roman citizen, he too would have known of these skills, at least in part. Paul could have used prosopopoeia as a rhetorical device to communicate a lot of information to his audience and use a relatively short space in doing so. (\u201cPaul\u2019s Use of Prosopopoeia in his Epistle to the Romans\u201d<\/a>, Unsettled Christianity<\/em>, 1-21-10)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Thomas H. Tobin SJ wrote an entire 469-page book about these aspects of Paul\u2019s writing (Paul\u2019s Rhetoric in Its Contexts: The Argument of Romans<\/em><\/a>;\u00a0<\/span>Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers, 2004). He explains, regarding another passage in Romans where Paul uses the same technique:<\/p>\n It is another example of the rhetorical technique speech-in-character (prosopopoeia) which was seen earlier in 7:7-25. . . . This use . . . in connection with virtues and vices is a rhetorical technique again found in popular philosophical discourse of the period and one that Paul now employs in 10:6-8 [Hermogenes, Prog<\/em>. 9.4-6; Rhet. Her.<\/em> 4-6; Cicero, Inv<\/em>. 1.99-100; Quintilian, Inst<\/em>.,\u00a0 9.2.31]. It is part of the diatribe style Paul\u2019s Roman Christian audience would have been familiar with, and so they would have understood his use of it here. (p. 343)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Wikipedia<\/a> describes this literary device:<\/p>\n A\u00a0prosopopoeia<\/b>\u00a0(Greek<\/a>:\u00a0\u03c0\u03c1\u03bf\u03c3\u03c9\u03c0\u03bf\u03c0\u03bf\u03b9\u03af\u03b1<\/span>,\u00a0\/p<\/span>r<\/span>\u0252<\/span>s<\/span>o\u028a<\/span>p<\/span>o\u028a<\/span>\u02c8<\/span>p<\/span>i\u02d0<\/span>\u0259<\/span>\/<\/a><\/span><\/span>) is a\u00a0rhetorical device<\/a>\u00a0in which a speaker or writer communicates to the audience by speaking as another person or object. . . . Prosopopoeiae are used mostly to give another perspective on the action being described. For example, in Cicero\u2019s\u00a0Pro Caelio<\/a>, Cicero speaks as Appius Claudius Caecus, a stern old man. This serves to give the \u201cancient\u201d perspective on the actions of the plaintiff.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Prosopopoeiae can also be used to take some of the load off the communicator by placing an unfavorable point of view on the shoulders of an imaginary stereotype. The audience\u2019s reactions are predisposed to go towards this figment rather than the communicator himself.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Fernand Prat SJ, in his two-volume set, The Theology of St. Paul<\/em> (Westminster, Maryland, The Newman Bookshop, 1952), comments on Romans 3:<\/p>\n [T]he argument formed by this series of texts, which recalls the rabbinical method of the haraz<\/em>, is sufficient for the Apostle\u2019s present design. . . . Paul here [Rom 3:1-9] confronts an objector, whose five objections he demolishes one by one; or rather he talks to himself and replies to himself in order to instruct the reader. (vol. I, pp. 203-204)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Philippians 1:18<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n 18\u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice.\u00a0 Yes, and I will rejoice\u2026<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n Philippians 1:18\u00a0<\/strong>What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in that I rejoice.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n The meaning here is made abundantly clear in context<\/em> <\/strong>(that evil wicked word in the ears of atheist eisegetes):<\/p>\n Philippians 1:15-17\u00a0<\/strong>Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will.\u00a0[16] The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel;\u00a0[17] the former proclaim Christ out of partisanship, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n The meaning is pretty clear and straightforward. This is not rhetoric. Paul is writing literally and engaging in \u201cstraight talk\u201d in this instance, noting that there are preachers of the gospel who don\u2019t have entirely pure motives in preaching. They fall into envy and rivalry and partisanship and insincerity. Others have the proper motivations: good will and love. So Paul expresses the notion that he is happy that the gospel<\/em> is proclaimed, even if often imperfectly<\/em>, through less than stellar vessels. He\u2019s not endorsing the \u201cpretense\u201d; only the fact that \u201cChrist is proclaimed\u201d: which, in and of itself, is always a good thing or a \u201cnet gain\u201d so to speak.\u00a0 We do the same thing all the time in everyday life:<\/p>\n \u201cI don\u2019t like the way that Susie goes about sharing the pro-life message, but at least she is getting that message out.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \u201cJoe has a rather off-putting and abrasive manner, but I do appreciate the fact that he is out there every weekend feeding the hungry.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \u201cMy wife nags me all the time, but despite that, she also says she loves me constantly, and shows it in acts of love.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n A score of similar examples are easily imagined. It\u2019s the imperfect person (as we all are, in the final analysis) doing the right thing, in the midst of wrong things also present. And that\u2019s all Paul is doing here (and I dare say, rather obviously<\/em> so).<\/p>\n 1 Corinthians 9:21-23<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n 21\u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>to those who are\u00a0without the Law,\u00a0I became<\/em>\u00a0as one without the Law, though not being without the law of God but\u00a0under the law of Christ, so that I might gain those who are without the Law.\u00a022\u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>To the\u00a0weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak; I have become\u00a0all things to all people,\u00a0so that I may by all means save some.\u00a023\u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n 1 Corinthians 9:19-23\u00a0<\/strong>For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more.\u00a0[20] To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law \u2014 though not being myself under the law \u2014 that I might win those under the law.\u00a0[21] To those outside the law I became as one outside the law \u2014 not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ \u2014 that I might win those outside the law.\u00a0[22] To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.\u00a0[23] I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n This (one of my favorite passages in Paul and a model for me in my own apostolate of apologetics and evangelism) is simply Paul meeting his hearers where they are at (as we say today). In any successful persuasion, it\u2019s supremely important to enter into the mindset of the other and to do one\u2019s best to relate truths to them in ways that they can understand. That\u2019s what Paul does. If he is talking to an observant Jew; an adherent of Judaism, he argues within that paradigm, in ways that they can understand. After all, he used to be a Pharisee (in fact, still called himself that twice in the book of Acts), so it was not difficult for him to do.<\/p>\n I do the same thing all the time, in trying to persuade Protestants to become Catholics. I know how they think and go about things; what their premises are (having held them myself from 1977-1990), so I argue in modes that they will understand and accept. So, for example, I never cite popes, as if their authority means anything to a Protestant. I cite biblical passages, since that is what we hold in common as God\u2019s inspired revelation. I wrote several entire books along those lines: \u201cbiblical evidence\u201d etc.\u00a0<\/p>\n This involves no duplicity or equivocation or deception. It\u2019s simply techniques and methods of arguing. That\u2019s what Paul refers to. Jonathan italicizes \u201cbecame\u201d as if to imply that Paul is saying that he is pretending to be these things. He completely misses the point. In the context, two verses before, which he chose to omit, Paul says \u201cI have made myself a slave<\/em> to all.\u201d<\/p>\n He didn\u2019t say, \u201cI became all\u201d: as if he was saying, \u201cI deceptively pretended to be<\/strong><\/em> all\u201d. What he \u201cbecame\u201d is \u201cas<\/em><\/strong> a Jew\u201d or \u201cas<\/strong><\/em> one outside the law\u201d; in other words, he argues like<\/em> people in those groups, in terms they can understand, and uses methodologies that make sense to them. It\u2019s simply the practical and clever use of a technique that every junior high debating team is taught before anything else: know your opponent\u2019s views as well as they<\/em> do, or even better<\/em>. Cicero stated:<\/p>\n The man who can hold forth on every matter under debate in two contradictory ways of pleading, or can argue for and against every proposition that can be laid down \u2013 such a man is the true, the complete, and the only orator.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n And\u00a0John Stuart Mill opined:<\/p>\n He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n MacLaren\u2019s Expositions<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>provides an excellent commentary on this passage:<\/p>\n The great principle incumbent on all Christians, with a view to the salvation of others, is to go as far as one can without untruthfulness in the direction of finding points of resemblance and contact with those to whom we would commend the Gospel. There is a base counterfeit of this apostolic example, which slurs over distinctive beliefs, and weakly tries to please everybody by differing from nobody. That trimming to catch all winds never gains any. Mr. Facing-both-ways is not a powerful evangelist. The motive of becoming all things to all men must be plainly disinterested, and the assimilation must have love for the souls concerned and eagerness to bring the truth to them, and them to the truth, legibly stamped upon it, or it will be regarded, and rightly so, as mere cowardice or dishonesty. And there must be no stretching the assimilation to the length of either concealing truth or fraternising in evil. Love to my neighbour can never lead to my joining him in wrongdoing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n But, while the limits of this assumption of the colour of our surroundings are plainly marked, there is ample space within these for the exercise of this eminently Christian grace. We must get near people if we would help them. Especially must we identify ourselves with them in sympathy, and seek to multiply points of assimilation, if we would draw them to Jesus Christ. He Himself had to become man that He might gain men, and His servants have to do likewise, in their degree. The old story of the Christian teacher who voluntarily became a slave, that he might tell of Christ to slaves, has in spirit to be repeated by us all.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n We can do no good by standing aloof on a height and flinging down the Gospel to the people below. They must feel that we enter into their circumstances, prejudices, ways of thinking, and the like, if our words are to have power. That is true about all Christian teachers, whether of old or young. You must be a boy among boys, and try to show that you enter into the boy\u2019s nature, or you may lecture till doomsday and do no good.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Conclusion: none of these passage remotely establishes a scenario whereby St. Paul endorses lying or \u201cany means to an end.\u201d But it shows that Jonathan MS Pearce is lying: since he is spreading falsehood about the Apostle Paul. People think the word \u201clie\u201d must include within it deliberate intent. But that\u2019s not what dictionaries inform us. Merriam-Webster<\/em><\/a> defines \u201clying\u201d as \u201cmarked by or containing untrue statements\u00a0:\u00a0<\/strong>FALSE.<\/span>\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n ***<\/p>\n\n