{"id":56027,"date":"2021-04-10T19:19:44","date_gmt":"2021-04-10T23:19:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=56027"},"modified":"2021-04-10T19:19:44","modified_gmt":"2021-04-10T23:19:44","slug":"madison-malarkey-46-how-can-mary-verify-the-virgin-birth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/04\/madison-malarkey-46-how-can-mary-verify-the-virgin-birth.html","title":{"rendered":"Madison Malarkey #46: How Can Mary Verify the Virgin Birth?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-56032\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2021\/04\/MaryAnnunciation2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"608\" height=\"600\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Dr. David Madison<\/strong>\u00a0is an atheist who was a Methodist minister for nine years: with a Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Boston University.\u00a0\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=David+Madison\" target=\"_blank\">I have replied<\/a>\u00a0to his videos or articles\u00a0<strong>45 times<\/strong>\u00a0as of this writing.\u00a0Thus far, I haven\u2019t heard\u00a0<em>one peep<\/em>\u00a0back from him\u00a0 (from 8-1-19 to 4-10-21). This certainly doesn\u2019t suggest to me that he is very<em>\u00a0confident<\/em>\u00a0in his opinions. All I\u2019ve seen is\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/09\/atheist-david-madison-rationalizes-his-intellectual-cowardice.html\" target=\"_blank\">expressions of contempt from Dr. Madison<\/a>\u00a0and from his buddy, the atheist author, polemicist, and extraordinarily volatile\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/08\/atheist-loftus-answers-censors-my-34-replies-to-dr-madison.html\" target=\"_blank\">John Loftus<\/a>, who runs the ultra-insulting\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Debunking Christianity<\/em><\/a>\u00a0blog. Dr. Madison made his cramped, insulated mentality clear in a\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2019\/09\/the-five-stages-of-bible-grief.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">comment from 9-6-19<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"ci4tn\" data-offset-key=\"a7r4n-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"a7r4n-0-0\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[T]he burden of the apologist has become heavy indeed, and some don\u2019t handle the anguish well. They vent and rage at critics, like toddlers throwing tantrums when a threadbare security blanket gets tossed out. We can smell their panic. Engaging with the ranters serves no purpose\u2014any more than it does to engage with Flat-Earthers, Chemtrail conspiracy theorists, and those who argue that the moon landings were faked. . . . I prefer to engage with NON-obsessive-compulsive-hysterical Christians, those who have spotted rubbish in the Bible, and might already have one foot out the door.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Only preaching to the choir from Dr. Madison! One can\u2019t be too careful in avoiding any criticism or challenge. John\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/atheist-john-loftus-reacts-to-my-analysis-of-his-deconversion.html\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cyou are an\u00a0<em>idiot<\/em>!\u201d<\/a>\u00a0Loftus even went to the length of\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2019\/08\/the-rules-of-engagement-at-dc.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">changing his blog\u2019s rules of engagement<\/a>, so that he and Dr. Madison could avoid replying to yours truly, or even see\u00a0<em>notices<\/em>\u00a0of my substantive replies (er, sorry,\u00a0<em>rants<\/em>, rather). He wrote in part:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Some angry Catholic apologist has been tagging our posts with his angry long-winded responses. . . . If any respectful person has a counter-argument or some counter-evidence then bring it. State your case in as few words as possible and then engage our commenters in a discussion. . . . I talked with David Madison who has been the target of these links and he\u2019s in agreement with this decision. He\u2019s planning to write something about one or more of these links in the near future.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Needless to say, I <em>still<\/em> await these long-promised replies to any of my critiques from good ol\u2019 Dr. Madison.\u00a0His words will be in\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Presently, I am replying to his article, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2020\/11\/bible-blunders-bad-theology-part-6.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bible Blunders &amp; Bad Theology, Part 6\u2033<\/a> (11-27-20).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Question Two: How Would Anyone Acquire Knowledge of a Miraculous Conception?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cWell, God told the authors, didn\u2019t he?\u201d This works for those who believe the Bible is God\u2019s inspired word. But they react with proper skepticism when other religions claim the same thing for the Qur\u2019an and Book of Mormon\u2014which they don\u2019t accept for a moment. Historians know very well that \u201cGod told them\u201d doesn\u2019t work; it\u2019s faith-bias out of control, claiming far more than can be objectively known. John Loftus pointed this out in his Christmas day post in 2016:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">How might anonymous gospel writers, 90 plus years later, objectively know Jesus was born of a virgin? Who told them? The Holy Spirit? Why is it God speaks to individuals in private, subjective, unevidenced whispers? Those claims are a penny a dozen.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">You may fervently believe within your heart, but there are no data by which virgin birth can be confirmed; it is a feature of ancient folklore. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">How many Catholics have paused their adoration of Mary long enough to ask: How do theologians know what was happening in the womb of a first century Galilean teenager? . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">This theology thrives among those who never ask\u2014who have been taught\u00a0<em>not<\/em>\u00a0to ask\u2014<strong><em>How do you know all this?\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>All this is fueled by theological imagination, and a fair amount of craftiness too, that is, digging for texts that can be construed to support flights of fantasy. Why do people take it seriously?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I doubt that theology can be grounded in reality; objective evidence for god(s) has never been found. . . .\u00a0superstitious folklore that gods use virgins to beget human children.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Wow. <em>Really<\/em>? Is Dr. Madison truly <em>this<\/em> fantastically clueless and, well, stupid? Just a moment\u2019s thought (no more) will provide any sentient being with an IQ higher than a rusty nail enough time to figure <em>this<\/em> one out. It\u2019s not rocket science, but it is science of a rather obvious, straightforward type: the science of biology and specifically <em>reproduction<\/em>, to be exact.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">How would anyone know that they were the carriers of a baby who was not conceived by man, but by God? Here\u2019s how it works (perhaps Dr. Madison \u2014 i.e., if he ever <em>read<\/em> any opposing opinions ever \u2014 and his equally zealous buddy John Loftus will have to read this three times to grasp it):<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1) Mary is visited by an angel (the Annunciation: recorded in Luke 1:26-38).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">2) This angel (Gabriel) informs her that \u201cyou will conceive in your womb and bear a son\u201d (Lk 1:31).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">3) Mary asks the logical and reasonable question: \u201cHow shall this be, since I have no husband?\u201d (Lk 1:34). She was a farm girl. She knew how babies came about in both animals and human beings.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">4) The angel explained to her that she would bear the Messiah and the Son of God \/ God the Son (Lk 1:32-33, 35) by means of a miraculous virgin birth: \u201cThe Holy Spirit will come upon you,\u00a0and the power of the Most High will overshadow you\u201d (Lk 1:35).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now, how could anyone <em>possibly<\/em> find out about such a miracle? Well, we can by listening to <em>Mary\u2019s own testimony<\/em> about it, which got to Luke either directly, or through oral tradition.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">How can we possibly <em>verify<\/em> such a miracle? How can we<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cknow\u201d<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">? After all, Dr. Madison in his infinite wisdom, has informed us that<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cthere are no data by which virgin birth can be confirmed\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and that it\u2019s mere<\/span> \u201cfolklore\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and is simply<\/span> \u201cimagination\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and<\/span> \u201ccraftiness\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and<\/span> \u201cflights of fantasy.\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Why (Dr. Madison passionately inquires), would anyone<\/span> \u201ctake it seriously\u201d<span style=\"color: #000000;\">?<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">It\u2019s not<\/span> \u201cgrounded in reality.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now, we all realize that we\u2019re dealing with an atheist (and apostate) who rejects all biblical texts as inaccurate and untrustworthy: especially if they express a supernatural event that the atheist redefines out of existence before even fairly examining it. But that\u2019s rather <em>beside<\/em> the point. Here, as in all his innumerable bashings of the Bible and Christianity, Dr. Madison is making the point that it is <em>internally incoherent<\/em>, and ought not be believed by any rational and \u201cscientific\u201d person.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He\u2019s not asking the question: \u201cwhy should we believe the account of Luke 1 as historical?\u201d He\u2019s asking a much more <em>philosophically<\/em>\u00a0<em>fundamental<\/em> question and an <em>epistemological<\/em> one: how could such a thing as a virgin birth be <em>known<\/em> <em>at all<\/em>, by <em>anyone<\/em>? That\u2019s why he frames it as <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201chow would <strong><em>anyone<\/em> <\/strong>acquire\u201d<\/span> such knowledge? In other words, how it is possible even in a <em>theoretical<\/em> or <em>hypothetical<\/em> sense, to know this and to pass it on to another chronicler like Luke? He thinks the entire thing (believe it or<em> not<\/em> believe it) is impossible and absurd from A to Z: totally ridiculous and nothing but. And so he taunts us Christians to explain this event that to him is utterly inexplicable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">With that runaround introduction, let\u2019s get back to the second question:<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">How can we possibly <em>verify<\/em> such a miracle? Well, again, it\u2019s very simple:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1) In due course, it will be physically evident that she is indeed pregnant, and in nine months she delivers the baby Jesus.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">2) She knows for a fact that she has not been intimate with a man at any time <em>before<\/em> Jesus was born, nor (most Christians through history have believed) at <em>any<\/em> time in her life.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">3) Therefore, she has rather compelling proof that a miracle did indeed occur. She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit and not a man, precisely as the angel told her.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">She not only \u201cknows\u201d this for sure, but she knows it with a certainly perhaps as compelling as that <em>for any miracle<strong> ever<\/strong><\/em>, since babies can only come about by one natural process, which did not occur in her case.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So how can we<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cknow\u201d<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">? How can anyone <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cconfirm\u201d<\/span> or<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0<\/span>\u201ctake\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">the virgin birth<\/span> \u201cseriously\u201d<span style=\"color: #000000;\">? I just explained it. It happened to a human being, and the most reasonable explanation is to accept that what the angel told Mary was absolutely true: since the obvious miracle has to be explained somehow.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Once Jesus was born and lived His life, performed many extraordinary miracles, claimed in many ways to be God in the flesh, and ultimately rose from the dead, even visited His followers after His death, then it was also confirmed beyond all reasonable doubt that He was God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The entire process is verifiable and empirical at all stages: the virgin birth is a physical event that\u2019s proven by a pregnancy occurring without intercourse. Jesus proves Who He is by performing verifiable miracles (a lame man walks, a blind man sees, a demon-possessed man is liberated; dead people are raised; Jesus Himself rises from the dead. He meets with His disciples after death and shows that He has a resurrected body, by eating fish and having Thomas feel the wound in His side. 500 people see Him after death. They go out and transform the world with His gospel message of salvation: many of them dying for their faith.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">What more does one <em>need<\/em>? Nothing except faith. The atheist lacks that and immediately shrugs off all such evidence (usually with accompanying smirks and mockery). There are many possible causes for why they might do so: but none of them derive from a fair, objective examination of Christian claims, or a rational, logical analysis. We see how utterly irrational and laughable <em>this<\/em> objection was.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>The Annunciation<\/em>\u00a0(1644), by\u00a0Philippe de Champaigne (1602-1674)<\/span>\u00a0[public domain \/\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:L%27_Annonciation_de_1644,_Philippe_de_Champaigne..jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>Summary<\/em>: Atheist anti-theist sophist Dr. Madison asks how Jesus\u2019 virgin birth could <em>possibly<\/em> be \u201cconfirmed\u201d? How can anyone \u201cknow\u201d it happened? Very simple: listen to Mary\u2019s own report. This ain\u2019t rocket science. But it is biological science.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>Tags<\/em>:\u00a0alleged biblical contradictions, anti-Christian bigotry, anti-theism, anti-theists, Atheism, atheist exegesis, atheist hermeneutics, atheists, Bible \u201ccontradictions\u201d, contradictions in the Bible, critiques of Christianity, David Madison, <em>Debunking Christianity<\/em>, Madison Malarkey, virgin birth, Mariology, Annunciation, Blessed Virgin Mary,\u00a0John Loftus\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. David Madison\u00a0is an atheist who was a Methodist minister for nine years: with a Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Boston University.\u00a0\u00a0I have replied\u00a0to his videos or articles\u00a045 times\u00a0as of this writing.\u00a0Thus far, I haven\u2019t heard\u00a0one peep\u00a0back from him\u00a0 (from 8-1-19 to 4-10-21). This certainly doesn\u2019t suggest to me that he is very\u00a0confident\u00a0in his opinions. 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