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St. Paul made it very clear in many passages that we were to\u00a0imitate and emulate him, as an example<\/em>, as he in turn imitated Christ (also that we should imitate God, other holy persons, and be an example, ourselves, to others). This provides a strong biblical rationale for the veneration (strong honoring; not<\/em><\/strong> worship!) of saints:<\/p>\n

Romans 4:12<\/strong> (RSV) . . . follow the example of the faith which our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.<\/p>\n

1 Corinthians<\/strong>\u00a04:16<\/strong>\u00a0I urge you, then, be imitators of me.<\/p>\n

1 Corinthians 11:1<\/strong>\u00a0Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.<\/p>\n

Ephesians 5:1<\/strong>\u00a0Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.<\/p>\n

Philippians 3:17\u00a0<\/b>Brethren, join in imitating me, and mark those who so live as you have an example in us.<\/p>\n

Philippians 4:9<\/strong>\u00a0What you have learned and received and heard and seen\u00a0in me, do; and the God of peace will be with you.<\/p>\n

1 Thessalonians 1:6-7<\/strong>\u00a0And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you received the word in much affliction, with joy inspired by the Holy Spirit; [7] so that you became an example to all the believers in Macedo\u2019nia and in Acha\u2019ia.<\/p>\n

1 Thessalonians 2:14<\/strong>\u00a0For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus which are in Judea; for you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews,<\/p>\n

1 Thessalonians 4:1<\/strong>\u00a0Finally, brethren, we beseech and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you learned from us how you ought to live and to please God, just as you are doing, you do so more and more.<\/p>\n

2 Thessalonians 3:7-9<\/strong>\u00a0For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us; we were not idle when we were with you, [8] we did not eat any one\u2019s bread without paying, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not burden any of you. [9] It was not because we have not that right, but to give you in our conduct an example to imitate.<\/p>\n

1 Timothy 1:16<\/strong>\u00a0but I received mercy for this reason, that\u00a0in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience for an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.<\/p>\n

1 Timothy 4:12<\/strong>\u00a0set the believers an example in speech and conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.<\/p>\n

2 Timothy 1:13<\/strong>\u00a0Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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John 13:15<\/strong>\u00a0For I have given you an example, that you also should do as I have done to you.<\/p>\n

Hebrews 6:12<\/strong>\u00a0so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.<\/p>\n

Hebrews 13:7<\/strong>\u00a0Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith.<\/p>\n

James 5:10<\/strong>\u00a0As an example of suffering and patience, brethren, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.<\/p>\n

1 Peter 2:21<\/strong>\u00a0. . . Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.<\/p>\n

1 Peter 5:3<\/strong>\u00a0not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock.<\/p>\n

3 John 1:11<\/strong>\u00a0Beloved, do not imitate evil but\u00a0imitate good. He who does good is of God; he who does evil has not seen God.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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