{"id":61863,"date":"2021-12-07T16:40:57","date_gmt":"2021-12-07T20:40:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=61863"},"modified":"2022-01-21T10:59:39","modified_gmt":"2022-01-21T14:59:39","slug":"seidensticker-folly-76-resurrection-eyewitnesses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/12\/seidensticker-folly-76-resurrection-eyewitnesses.html","title":{"rendered":"Seidensticker Folly #76: Resurrection Eyewitnesses"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2021\/12\/JesusRisen2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-61868\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2021\/12\/JesusRisen2-157x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"157\" height=\"300\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Atheist and anti-theist\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/about\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bob Seidensticker<\/a>\u00a0runs the influential<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>\u00a0Cross Examined<\/em><\/a>\u00a0blog. He asked me there,\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2018\/08\/25-stupid-arguments-christians-should-avoid-part-7-2\/#comment-4033896473\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">on 8-11-18<\/a>:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI\u2019ve got 1000+ posts here attacking your worldview. You just going to let that stand? Or could you present a helpful new perspective that I\u2019ve ignored on one or two of those posts?\u201d<\/span>\u00a0He added in June 2017\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2017\/06\/christians-need-atheist-speaker-next-conference\/#comment-3386826295\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in a combox<\/a>:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cIf I\u2019ve misunderstood the Christian position or Christian arguments, point that out. Show me where I\u2019ve mischaracterized them.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">For over three years, we have had (shall we say) rather difficult relations, with mutual bannings, but when Bob moved to his <a href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/author\/bseidensticker\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">new location online<\/a> at the <em>OnlySky<\/em> super-site, he (surprisingly to me) decided to allow me to comment. As a conciliatory gesture in return, I removed his ban on my blog.\u00a0 He even stated on 1-21-22 <a href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/bseidensticker\/when-reality-confounds-the-church-3-examples\/#viafoura_comment_section\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">in the same combox thread<\/a>, replying to me: <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cThere are a few new posts here. (Or, if you haven\u2019t been to my blog for a while, lots of new posts here.) Have at \u2019em. Let me know what you think.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Delighted to oblige his wishes . . . Bob\u2019s words will be in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.\u00a0To find these posts, follow this link:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=Seidensticker+Folly+%23\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cSeidensticker Folly #\u201d<\/a>\u00a0or see all of them linked under his own section on my\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/atheism-agnosticism-secularism-index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Atheism page<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p>I am responding to Bob\u2019s post entitled,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/crossexamined\/2021\/12\/the-bible-defeats-its-own-resurrection-story\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">The Bible defeats its own Resurrection story<\/a> (12-2-21; update of a post from 8-16-17).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Many Christian apologists insist that the resurrection was documented by eyewitnesses. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes they do, because that is the biblical claim.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Their motivation makes sense\u2014the resurrection is the punch line of the Jesus story, and the authors can\u2019t simply be passing along a popular yarn. Only eyewitness authors could be credible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Indeed. I would just add that the person documenting need not be an eyewitness. Having talked to a credible eyewitness is sufficient to pass along what that eyewitness saw: just as we see regarding eyewitness testimony in court cases, which is judged to be credible (based on the person\u2019s character) or not. It\u2019s sufficient to convict persons of having committed a crime, based on the criterion of \u201cbeyond a reasonable doubt\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">We must start by agreeing on what it means to witness a man\u2019s resurrection from the dead. You must (1) see him alive, then (2) see him dead, then (3) see him alive again. This is obvious, I realize, but you\u2019ll soon see where this is missing in the gospels.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This reasoning is <em>not<\/em> \u201cobvious.\u201d One need not either see a person alive (not having yet died) or see the same person lying dead, in order to witness the same person in a resurrected state. One need only know that a given person <em>X<\/em> 1) existed, and 2) died; yet said person <em>X<\/em> is now somehow alive again (resurrected). One could also have <em>known<\/em> person <em>X<\/em>, but happened not to see <em>X<\/em> dead (before burial), or vice versa. So, for example, I know that there was a person named Abraham Lincoln, who lived on the earth, became the President of the United States, and was killed in 1865.<\/p>\n<p>Now, if I witness him walking around my back yard with his distinctive face and beard, top hat, and 6\u20194\u2033 height, and I go shake his hand, and talk about how he wrote the Gettysburg Address, and eat lunch with him, I am a witness to his resurrection. It is irrelevant whether I saw him alive (before he died) or saw him lying in state. I only have to know that he existed and died, from credible and reasonable information of various types. Thus, Bible-Basher Bob starts his argument with a demonstrably false premise.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">We\u2019ll start with the crucifixion story in Matthew. For this to be an eyewitness account, one of the disciples must author Matthew. This requires that the author personally experience the three elements of any resurrection above.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Again, it does <em>not<\/em> require that, as just argued. It requires the author having consulted credible eyewitnesses to the crucifixion. The author didn\u2019t claim to be a witness to the crucifixion. He <em>does<\/em> claim that Mary Magdalene and Mary wife of Clopas saw the risen Jesus (Mt 28:1-10) and that the eleven disciples, minus Judas, later did as well (Mt 28:16-20). What\u2019s <em>actually<\/em> required is that Matthew (if not there himself) reports credible eyewitness testimony.<\/p>\n<p>That could have come from a number of sources: Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Mary, wife of Clopas, the disciple John, and possibly many other followers of Jesus (by then numbering in the multiple thousands) who were present. As for the traditional Christian view that the disciple Matthew wrote the Gospel that bears his name, see:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/crossexamined.org\/wrote-gospel-matthew\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWho Wrote the Gospel of Matthew?\u201d<\/a> (Brian Chilton, 6-11-17)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/isjesusalive.com\/did-matthew-write-the-gospel-of-matthew\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cDid Matthew Really Write the Gospel Attributed to Him?\u201d<\/a> (Erik Manning, 3-25-19)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.johnsanidopoulos.com\/2009\/11\/who-wrote-gospel-of-matthew.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWho Wrote the Gospel of Matthew?\u201d<\/a> (John Sanidopoulos, 11-16-09)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/jimmyakin.com\/2018\/11\/was-matthew-written-before-a-d-70.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWas Matthew Written Before A.D. 70?\u201d<\/a> (Jimmy Akin, 11-29-18)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ameadwriter.com\/who-wrote-the-gospel-according-to-matthew\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWho Wrote the Gospel according to Matthew?\u201d<\/a> (Aaron Mead, 8-10-18)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bible.org\/seriespage\/authoritative-testimony-matthew%E2%80%99s-gospel\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cAuthoritative Testimony in Matthew\u2019s Gospel\u201d<\/a> (James M. Arlandson, 4-21-08)<\/p>\n<p>Regarding the authorship and reliability of all four Gospels, see:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bible.org\/series\/historical-reliability-gospels\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cHistorical Reliability of the Gospels\u201d<\/a> (James M. Arlandson, 2-2-09)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/zondervanacademic.com\/blog\/who-wrote-gospels\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWho Wrote the Gospels, and How Do We Know for Sure?\u201d<\/a> (Mark Strauss, 9-20-17)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.timothypauljones.com\/apologetics-how-do-we-know-who-wrote-the-gospels-2\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cApologetics: Who Wrote the Gospels?\u201d<\/a> (Timothy Paul Jones, 7-17-20)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-Eyewitnesses-Gospels-Eyewitness-Testimony\/dp\/0802831621\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Jesus and the Eyewitnesses<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-Eyewitnesses-Gospels-Eyewitness-Testimony\/dp\/0802831621\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">:\u00a0The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony<\/a> (book by Richard Bauckham, Eerdmans, 2006)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Next we read, \u201cThen all the disciples deserted him and fled\u201d (Matthew 26:56b). The next day Jesus was crucified, and \u201cMany women were there, watching from a distance\u201d (Matt. 27:55) including Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph. There were men present\u2014Roman guards and passersby who insulted Jesus\u2014but no disciples.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>We don\u2019t know for <em>sure<\/em> that there were \u201cno disciples at all.\u201d Matthew doesn\u2019t mention it one way or another. But if the word \u201cdisciples\u201d is viewed in its larger sense (Jn 6:66: \u201cmany of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him\u201d \/ Lk 10:1, 17: \u201cseventy\u201d \/ Mt 27:57: \u201cJoseph [of Arimathea], who also was a disciple of Jesus\u201d), then it\u2019s possible that some of those disciples were there; and the book of John records that John himself was present.<\/p>\n<p>Since Matthew doesn\u2019t <em>deny<\/em> any of those possibilities, it\u2019s not a contradiction. Moreover, Luke 8:1-3 implies that Jesus had several women disciples, too, including Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Susanna, \u201cand many others\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">With no male disciples to observe the crucifixion, <\/span><\/p>\n<p>This hasn\u2019t been definitively established, per the above argumentation.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">this eyewitness claim fails in point 2 above: you must see him dead if you want to later claim a resurrection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is erroneous and a false premise, as also explained above.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Matthew doesn\u2019t even claim any disciples at the empty tomb.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Nor does he deny it.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Note also that it\u2019s modern Christians who claim that Matthew was an eyewitness; that gospel never makes that claim.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Protestant apologist Greg Koukl <a href=\"https:\/\/www.str.org\/w\/matthew-and-john-on-the-witness-stand\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">accurately observed<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Matthew makes no direct claim in his narrative to being an eyewitness. However, he establishes himself as an eyewitness based on the internal evidence of his account. Though he doesn\u2019t name himself, the author reports in the first person about events that he sees and participates in.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>John <em>does<\/em> make direct claims of being an eyewitness (Jn 21:24; 1 Jn 1:1-3).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But what about the women?\u00a0<em>They\u00a0<\/em>were there. The two Marys saw the crucifixion, they saw Jesus die, they saw the burial in the stone tomb, they saw the empty tomb, and they saw the risen Jesus. They were part of the inner circle, and surely their word was good enough.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes, surely it was. They often showed themselves more faithful, loyal, and courageous than the male disciples.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The first problem is that the author of Matthew is still not an eyewitness. At best, he simply reported a story he\u2019d been told.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>So what? In most criminal court cases, there is only one or two eyewitnesses. Conviction depends on whether their testimony is credible, and whether their character suggests a truthful report, and no known motivations to lie about what they claim to have seen.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[A]pologists insist that women were seen as unreliable witnesses. This means that they can\u2019t argue that while the author of Matthew wasn\u2019t technically an eyewitness, that\u2019s unimportant because he trusted the women\u2019s report. They\u2019ve left Matthew with no authority from which to document the most important (and least believable) part of the gospel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>How the ancient world may have regarded women\u2019s testimony is irrelevant to whether their reports were <em>true<\/em> or not (this would be an instance of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Genetic_fallacy\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">genetic fallacy<\/a>). I agree with the apologists cited, that the Gospels (in a highly patriarchal culture and time) would almost certainly not have recorded that <em>women<\/em> first saw the risen Jesus (and saw the crucifixion) if they were deliberately lying \/ making up a story out of whole cloth. Therefore, this element is a strong indication of the truthfulness of the Gospel accounts. It can\u2019t be breezily dismissed.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Another reason to discount Matthew as an eyewitness is that that book liberally copies from Mark, the first gospel.<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Synoptic_Gospels#Common_features\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">More than half of Matthew comes from Mark<\/a><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">. Why would an eyewitness account copy from someone else rather than give his own version . . . unless it wasn\u2019t an eyewitness account?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Well, it\u2019s not nearly so simple as this. Seidensticker is wading into the extraordinarily complex <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Synoptic_Gospels#The_synoptic_problem\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201csynoptic problem\u201d<\/a>, which has to do with the precise relationship of the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. But first I should note that a rather free borrowing from other written works was a very common feature of ancient literature. Hence, the entry: <a href=\"https:\/\/oxfordre.com\/classics\/view\/10.1093\/acrefore\/9780199381135.001.0001\/acrefore-9780199381135-e-5104\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cPlagiarism, Greek\u201d<\/a> from the <em>Oxford Classical Dictionary<\/em> explains:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The more sophisticated ancient critics distinguished \u2018imitation\u2019 of earlier writers (Gk. <em>mim\u0113sis<\/em>, Lat. *<em>imitatio<\/em>) from \u2018theft\u2019 (Gk. <em>klop\u0113<\/em>, Lat. <em>furtum<\/em>). \u2018Theft\u2019 involves derivative copying and is condemned: this, and only this, is plagiarism. \u2018Imitation\u2019 is an acceptable, even normal, re-use (in part, relatable to the modern structuralist\u2019s notion of \u2018intertextuality\u2019; see literary theory and classical studies), such that the \u2018borrowed\u2019 material is recreated as the borrower\u2019s \u2018own property\u2019 (\u2018<em>privati iuris<\/em>\u2019, Hor.Ars. 131) and (perhaps because the original is well known and informs the new context) the relationship between new and old is acknowledged rather than concealed. When L. *Annaeus Seneca (1) suggests that *Ovid imitates *Virgil \u2018not as pilferer but as open appropriator\u2019 (\u2018<em>non subripiendi causa sed palam mutuandi<\/em>\u2019, Suas. 3. 7), the distinction is clear; so too when \u2018Longinus\u2019 (Subl. 13) praises a whole tradition of writers, from *Archilochus to *Plato (1), for their re-use of *Homer. [italics added]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>While it is true that 56% of Matthew\u2019s content is shared with Mark, it is also true that 20% of the Gospel of Matthew is unique to itself, and another 24% is shared with Luke but not with Mark (see the helpful chart near the top<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Synoptic_Gospels\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> on this web page<\/a>). So although it shares a lot with Mark, it is a unique presentation in its own right. This is true of Luke to a greater extent, as it has 35% unique material and 23% shared with Matthew, which is almost three-fifths of the book (42% shared with Mark.<\/p>\n<p>The predominant theory of origins of the Gospels have Matthew and Luke derived from jointly from Mark and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Q_source\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cQ\u201d<\/a>: a possibly oral and undocumented source. But this is not certain, and there are other theories, which have recently (especially since the 1990s) attained a growing consensus among Bible scholars. One of these is the Griesbach Hypothesis,<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Two-gospel_hypothesis#Compared_to_the_Griesbach_hypothesis\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> explained by Wikipedia<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>According to Griesbach, the historical order of the gospels was, first, Matthew; second, Luke, making use of Matthew and other non-Matthaean tradition; and third, Mark, making use of both Matthew and Luke. In proposing this hypothesis, Griesbach maintained Matthaean priority, as had <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Augustinian_hypothesis\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Augustine before him<\/a>, along with every other scholar in the church prior to the late eighteenth century. Griesbach\u2019s main support for his thesis lies in passages where Matthew and Luke agree over and against Mark (e.g. Matthew 26:68; Luke 22:64; Mark 14:65), the so-called Minor Agreements.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/jimmyakin.com\/2016\/09\/is-mark-a-transcript-of-peters-lectures-on-matthew-and-luke.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Orchard Hypothesis<\/a> is a more recent variation of the Greisbach Hypothesis. But in any event, no one can claim to know for sure who borrowed from whom, who did so first, who wrote first, etc. It\u2019s all (fascinating but non-definitive) speculation. Seidensticker, with his pathetic record of pathetic disinformation and deliberate ignorance and refusal to be corrected (as seen in my 75 previous critiques of his abysmal polemics) is almost the last person on earth who is qualified to make the sweeping claims that he\u00a0 \u2014 undaunted and blissfully free of fact and logic alike \u2013, constantly makes, posing as some sort of (relentlessly cynical and skeptical) biblical expert. It\u2019s a joke.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Mark also shares the problems of Matthew. The author wasn\u2019t an eyewitness to the death or resurrection, . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s correct. But according to a position held by many throughout the centuries (which if correct, would overcome this objection), he drew from Peter, who was an eyewitness. This view came originally from <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Papias_of_Hierapolis\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Papias<\/a>, who lived from c. 60 \u2013 c. 130. That is actual objective historical evidence, as opposed to largely abstract, subjective theories made up in the minds of men 18-20 centuries after Christ. See:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/features\/mark-s-gospel-through-the-eyes-of-st-peter\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cMark\u2019s Gospel Through the Eyes of St. Peter\u201d<\/a> (Thomas L. McDonald, 4-25-19)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/bible.org\/seriespage\/10-eyewitness-testimony-mark-s-gospel\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cEyewitness Testimony in Mark\u2019s Gospel\u201d<\/a> (James M. Arlandson, 5-13-08)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/patternsofevidence.com\/2021\/07\/23\/is-peter-behind-marks-gospel\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cIs Peter Really Behind Mark\u2019s Gospel?\u201d<\/a> (Dr. Fred Baltz, 7-23-21)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jimmyakin.com\/2015\/04\/did-mark-base-his-gospel-on-matthew-and-luke.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cDid Mark base his Gospel on Matthew and Luke?\u201d<\/a> (Jimmy Akin, 4-25-15)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/jimmyakin.com\/2016\/09\/is-mark-a-transcript-of-peters-lectures-on-matthew-and-luke.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cIs Mark a Transcript of Peter\u2019s Lectures on Matthew and Luke?\u201d<\/a> (Jimmy Akin, 9-16-16)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[T]he book itself makes clear that neither Peter nor any disciple was an eyewitness to the death, so no disciple could claim to be an eyewitness to the resurrection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is the same old canard again, presented as if mere repetition makes a falsehood magically become true. Mark doesn\u2019t say, \u201cJohn was not present at the crucifixion.\u201d Therefore, The Gospel of John\u2019s report that he <em>was<\/em>\u00a0(Jn 19:26), is not contradicted. And there is also the issue of a <em>larger<\/em> category of disciples, already noted above.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Luke doesn\u2019t have the disciples run away at the arrest of Jesus. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>He neither affirms nor denies it, so it\u2019s not contradictory compared to other Gospels.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">At the crucifixion, \u201cAll those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching,\u201d so the men were presumably there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u201cAll\u201d in the Bible often means merely \u201cmany\u201d and not literally \u201cabsolutely every one, without exception\u201d, as I have<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/all-have-sinned-vs-a-sinless-immaculate-mary\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> written about elsewhere<\/a>. It\u2019s like how we refer to a big party or family reunion by saying, \u201c<em>everyone<\/em> was there!\u201d It\u2019s understood that this is not an absolute statement with no exceptions. So this is not a contradiction to Matthew\u2019s and Mark\u2019s descriptions of disciples having fled in terror (Mt 26:31-35, 56; Mk 14:50), and not being present (with the exception of John) at the crucifixion.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">With Luke and John, Christians have a better argument for disciples witnessing Jesus alive, then dead, then alive again, <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Which is not <em>required<\/em> . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">but they can only do so after admitting a worse problem, that the gospel stories are contradictory.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Nonsense. No contradiction between the Gospels has been established beyond all doubt in this slanted, twisted presentation. As usual, anti-theist atheists invent (with utter disdain of logic) various pseudo- and mythical so-called \u201ccontradictions\u201d that in fact are not ones at all.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">According to John, when Jesus is on the cross, he sees his mother and \u201cthe disciple whom he loved.\u201d<\/span> [i.e., John] <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Presumably concerned about who would care for Mary after his death, he said to her, \u201cWoman, here is your son,\u201d and to the disciple, \u201cHere is your mother\u201d (John 19:26\u20137). But Mary already <em>had<\/em>\u00a0another son! Why would Jesus do this when James the Just was his brother?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>James is specifically said to be the son of (by deductive cross-referencing) Mary, wife of Clopas (Mt 27:56; Mk 15:40; 16:1). For more on this, and the persons named James in the NT see my papers, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/11\/were-simon-jude-jesus-literal-siblings-or-cousins.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Were Simon &amp; Jude Jesus\u2019 Literal Siblings, or Cousins?<\/a> and <a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/12\/james-lords-brother-e-cousin.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">James the Lord\u2019s \u201cBrother\u201d (i.e., Cousin)\u00a0+ Who Wrote the Book of James?<\/a> Jesus <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/09\/jesus-brothers-not-siblings-0101-vs-jason-engwer.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">had no siblings<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The resurrection is a ridiculous claim that needs a mountain of evidence to support it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>There were plenty of eyewitnesses to it and the evidence is strong. My present purpose is not to present all that (others have done so far better than I ever could). I am strictly showing, I think, that none of Bible-Basher Bob\u2019s \u201carguments\u201d have the slightest force (defeating alleged \u201cdefeaters\u201d of the Gospels). Nothing here refutes the notion of Jesus rising from the dead, and many people seeing Him risen. None of his individual arguments succeed or prove that they are beyond serious dispute.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>ADDENDUM: Clarifications of My Positions<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/disqus.com\/by\/overlappingmagisteria\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-action=\"profile\" data-tab=\"\" data-username=\"overlappingmagisteria\" class=\" decorated-link\">OverlappingMagisteria\u201d<\/a> offered some criticisms in my combox, which afforded me an excellent opportunity to clarify in more depth my own expressed opinions on these matters.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">I\u2019ll agree that if someone writes down an account from another person who was an eyewitness, then this is close enough. But it seems that you are just assuming that the author of Matthew is reporting an eyewitness account. Nowhere does it say that he talked to the women, or to any apostles that were present. It just tells the story. Perhaps he interviewed eyewitnesses, but perhaps he did not.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">And if you\u2019re going to ding Bob for using the Two-source hypothesis (that Matt is based off of Mark and Q) because it is not certain, then I gotta ding you for saying that St. Matthew is the author of the Gospel of Matthew. The two-source hypothesis at least has the majority view among scholars, while Matthean authorship is very much the minority view. Same with Luke using Pete as a source. This is a very much contested view.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>We are not 100% sure of who wrote the four gospels. I believe we can conclude with virtually 100% certainty that Luke wrote Luke and that John wrote John. Even these cannot ever be \u201cproven.\u201d As for Matthew and Mark, these two gospels have been attributed to the apostle Matthew and the disciple Mark (John Mark of Acts and of Paul\u2019s letters) since the very earliest time in the history of the church. The church fathers unanimously attributed these books to Matthew and to Mark from the earliest time. Does this prove that these two wrote the books? The answer is that it does not. However, it is far more likely that early church fathers such as Justin Martyr and Irenaeus would know who wrote these books than scholars writing today. These faithful disciples, both of whom knew disciples of Jesus who actually met the Apostle John, would be in an excellent position to tell us who wrote these books. Is this proof? I would say that we can be virtually certain that Luke wrote Luke and John wrote John, and fairly confident (but not certain) that Matthew wrote Matthew and Mark wrote Mark.\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/evidenceforchristianity.org\/if-matthew-and-john-were-eyewitness-accounts-then-why-do-they-not-identify-themselves-in-the-gospel-why-do-they-say-they-not-us-and-matthew-not-i-how-can-we-believe-therefore-that-t\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Oakes<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You need to be\u00a0<i>accurate<\/i>, first of all, as to <em>what<\/em> I have argued and what I have <em>not<\/em> asserted. Nowhere did I say that it was my opinion that Matthew wrote the Gospel of Matthew. In fact, in two places I referred to the \u201cauthor\u201d of Matthew, thus implying that it is not a settled issue. I provided articles that took this view, but I introduced them with: \u201cAs for the\u00a0<i>traditional Christian view<\/i> that the disciple Matthew wrote the Gospel that bears his name, see: . . .\u201d. Note that I didn\u2019t say it was necessarily <b><i>my<\/i><\/b>\u00a0view.<\/p>\n<p>My opinion would be precisely what Oakes expressed above: we can be \u201cfairly confident (but not certain)\u201d that he was the author (a view that presupposes a high view of the testimony of early Church fathers: which I would be expected to have as a Catholic who holds sacred tradition and apostolic succession in high regard). But this is not claimed certainty, and I am not asserting with no doubt whatever that he was the author. I still hold it provisionally (though it is my view that it is more likely than not).<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s also perfectly possible that some unknown scribe wrote Matthew utilizing either firsthand accounts from Matthew himself or oral traditions purported to be largely from him (+ possibly Peter, etc.). That would be no different from what Luke expressly states that he did, and from the view held by many that Mark (or whomever wrote that Gospel) drew largely from Peter. The bottom line is that these documents are inspired revelation, which we believe in faith (and which cannot be proven under a microscope).<\/p>\n<p>You also greatly misunderstand my argumentation regarding the synoptic problem. I never \u201cding[ed]\u201d Bob for taking the two-source view.\u00a0<i>I never took any position at all<\/i>\u00a0on that whole issue. What I was specifically objecting to was his usual ignorant, dogmatic, cynical view:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Another reason to discount Matthew as an eyewitness is that that book liberally copies from Mark, the first gospel. More than half of Matthew comes from Mark. Why would an eyewitness account copy from someone else rather than give his own version . . . unless it wasn\u2019t an eyewitness account?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is just stupid, and doesn\u2019t follow at all. Not taking any particular view myself on the synoptic problem, I merely presented different options and opinions (including the ancient common practice of liberally borrowing from earlier literature), stating that it was \u201cnot nearly so simple\u201d and \u201cextraordinarily complex\u201d; that the standard two-source theory was \u201cnot certain, and [that] there are other theories.\u201d I stated very clearly: \u201cno one can claim to know for sure who borrowed from whom, who did so first, who wrote first, etc. It\u2019s all (fascinating but non-definitive) speculation.\u201d The upshot of all that is that Bob\u2019s take is ignorant and clueless, not that one theory is true and the others manifestly false. It\u2019s Bob\u2019s brain-dead skeptical dogmatism and faux-certainty (which I have observed over and over in my 75 unanswered critiques of his \u201cwork\u201d) that I went after.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>\n<div><strong><em>Practical Matters<\/em><\/strong>: Perhaps some of my 3,900+ free online articles (the most comprehensive \u201cone-stop\u201d Catholic apologetics site) or\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">fifty books<\/a>\u00a0have helped you (by God\u2019s grace) to decide to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">become Catholic<\/a>\u00a0or to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">return to the Church<\/a>, or better understand some doctrines and\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/02\/the-biblical-basis-of-apologetics-defense-of-christianity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>why<\/em>\u00a0we believe them<\/a>.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Or you may believe my work is worthy to support for the purpose of apologetics and evangelism in general.\u00a0If so, please seriously consider a much-needed financial contribution. I\u2019m always in need of more funds: especially\u00a0<em>monthly<\/em>\u00a0support. \u201cThe laborer is worthy of his wages\u201d (1 Tim 5:18, NKJV). 1 December 2021 was my 20th anniversary as a\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/my-literary-resume.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">full-time Catholic apologist<\/a>, and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog.<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.com\/us\/webapps\/mpp\/sem\/account-selection-signup\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">PayPal donations<\/a>\u00a0are the easiest: just send to my email address: apologistdave@gmail.com. You\u2019ll see the term \u201cCatholic Used Book Service\u201d, which is my old side-business. To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0from the bottom of my heart!<\/div>\n<div class=\"bnm-nativo mobile\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"bnm-nativo mobile\">*<\/div>\n<div>***<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong><strong>Photo credit: <\/strong><\/strong><\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/User:Cadetgray\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Cadetgray<\/a> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">(3-7-11). The Resurrected Jesus and the Two Marys window in St. Matthew\u2019s Lutheran Church, Charleston, South Carolina. Attributed to the Quaker City Glass Company of Philadelphia, 1912.<\/span> [<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Resurrected_Jesus_two_Maries.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a> \/ <a class=\"extiw decorated-link\" title=\"w:en:Creative Commons\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/en:Creative_Commons\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Creative Commons<\/a>\u00a0<a class=\"external text decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/3.0\/deed.en\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported<\/a> license]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: Anti-theist polemicist Bob Seidensticker vainly tries to prove that the Gospel writers were not Resurrection eyewitnesses, but rather, a bunch of mythmaking liars.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Atheist and anti-theist\u00a0Bob Seidensticker\u00a0runs the influential\u00a0Cross Examined\u00a0blog. He asked me there,\u00a0on 8-11-18:\u00a0\u201cI\u2019ve got 1000+ posts here attacking your worldview. You just going to let that stand? Or could you present a helpful new perspective that I\u2019ve ignored on one or two of those posts?\u201d\u00a0He added in June 2017\u00a0in a combox:\u00a0\u201cIf I\u2019ve misunderstood the Christian position [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":61868,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[124,172],"tags":[2519,1738,1043,745,258,335,525,4126,6519,1367,5552,14677,15482],"class_list":["post-61863","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atheism-agnosticism","category-trinitarianism-christology","tag-alleged-biblical-contradictions","tag-anti-christian-bigotry","tag-anti-theism","tag-anti-theists","tag-atheism","tag-atheists","tag-bible-contradictions","tag-bob-seidensticker","tag-contradictions-in-the-bible","tag-critiques-of-christianity","tag-cross-examined","tag-eyewitnesses-of-jesus","tag-resurrection-eyewitnesses"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Seidensticker Folly #76: Resurrection Eyewitnesses Seidensticker Folly #76: Resurrection Eyewitnesses<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Atheist and anti-theist\u00a0Bob Seidensticker\u00a0runs the influential\u00a0Cross Examined\u00a0blog. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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