{"id":6264,"date":"2016-02-23T14:35:25","date_gmt":"2016-02-23T18:35:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=6264"},"modified":"2018-09-24T17:52:55","modified_gmt":"2018-09-24T21:52:55","slug":"bible-on-invocation-of-angels-saved-human-beings","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/02\/bible-on-invocation-of-angels-saved-human-beings.html","title":{"rendered":"Bible on Invocation of Angels and Saved Human Beings"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>. . . in Heaven, for Intercessory Purposes<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-6265 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2016\/02\/AngelGuardian.jpg\" alt=\"AngelGuardian\" width=\"430\" height=\"599\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>Guardian Angel<\/em>, by\u00a0Bernhard Plockhorst\u00a0(1825-1907)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Bernhard_Plockhorst_-_Schutzengel.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * *<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p>(6-10-08)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<p>All verses are from RSV.<\/p>\n<p>* * * * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>The argument is a rather simple one, based on a combination of different factors. The nutshell (mostly) implicitly biblical argument for asking saints to pray for us is as follows:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) We ask others to pray for us.<\/p>\n<p>2) Those who die in Christ are still alive and part of the Body of Christ too.<\/p>\n<p>3) Saints in heaven are aware of earthly events.<\/p>\n<p>4) We see them praying for us in at least one instance in the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>5) The prayer of a righteous man avails much.<\/p>\n<p>6) Saints are perfected in holiness and sanctity.<\/p>\n<p>7) Therefore their prayers would have much power.<\/p>\n<p>8) Ergo, we can ask them to intercede to God for us.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My papers fleshing out the biblical data on all this can be found on my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/saints-purgatory-penance-index.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Saints, Purgatory, and Penance web page<\/a>. The argument for asking angels to pray can be constructed in similar fashion:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) We ask others to pray for us.<\/p>\n<p>2) Angels are messengers from God who are part of His purposes and who care very much about the fate of human beings.<\/p>\n<p>3) Angels are aware of earthly events to an extraordinary degree, being super-intelligent beings.<\/p>\n<p>4) We see them offering the \u201cprayers of the saints\u201d to God in at least one instance in the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>5) The Bible says that the prayer of a righteous man avails much. How much more so, the prayers of angels, who are unfallen creatures.<\/p>\n<p>6) Angels (excepting the fallen angels of demons) always have been perfected in holiness and sanctity.<\/p>\n<p>7) Therefore their prayers would have much power.<\/p>\n<p>8) Ergo, we can ask them to intercede to God for us.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Presently, I\u2019ll be doing something a little different, as suggested by recent insightful comments from several Catholic commenters on my blog. Here is the briefest version of the argument:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) Men talk to angels.<\/p>\n<p>2) What\u2019s the difference if they are in heaven or on earth when this happens?<\/p>\n<p>3) Scripture even gives examples of conversation with dead men (Transfiguration, Saul talking to the dead Samuel, etc.)<\/p>\n<p>4) Angels are extremely intelligent and can deduce our thoughts and follow our actions, and they intensely care about us and are able to help us.<\/p>\n<p>5) Therefore we can ask angels to pray.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Men Talking to Angels<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * *<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 85%;\">[Note: the \u201cangel of the LORD\u201d is, on several occasions, but not always, equated in context with God Himself. Keep in mind, then, that in those instances it may be God Who is being addressed, not a created angel, which is a different scenario than what the present argument is addressing.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Genesis 19:1-2<\/span> The two angels came to Sodom in the evening; and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed himself with his face to the earth, and said, \u201cMy lords, turn aside, I pray you, to your servant\u2019s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise up early and go on your way.\u201d They said, \u201cNo; we will spend the night in the street.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Numbers 22:34-35<\/span> Then Balaam said to the<b> <\/b>angel of the LORD, \u201cI have sinned, for I did not know that thou didst stand in the road against me. Now therefore, if it is evil in thy sight, I will go back again.\u201d And the<b> <\/b>angel of the LORD said to Balaam, \u201cGo with the men; but only the word which I bid you, that shall you speak.\u201d So Balaam went on with the princes of Balak.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Psalm 103:20 <\/span>Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! (cf. 148:2)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Zechariah 1:9, 13-14, 19 <\/span>Then I said, `What are these, my lord?\u2019 The angel who talked with me said to me, `I will show you what they are.\u2019 . . . And the LORD answered gracious and comforting words to the angel who talked with me. So the angel who talked with me said to me . . . And I said to the angel who talked with me, \u201cWhat are these?\u201d And he answered me, \u201cThese are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Zechariah 2:1-3<\/span> And I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a man with a measuring line in his hand! Then I said, \u201cWhere are you going?\u201d And he said to me, \u201cTo measure Jerusalem, to see what is its breadth and what is its length.\u201d And behold, the angel who talked with me came forward, and another angel came forward to meet him,<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Zechariah 4:1, 4-5<\/span> And the<b> <\/b>angel who talked with me came again, and waked me, like a man that is wakened out of his sleep. And I said to the<b> <\/b>angel who talked with me, \u201cWhat are these, my lord?\u201d Then the<b> <\/b>angel who talked with me answered me, \u201cDo you not know what these are?\u201d I said, \u201cNo, my lord.\u201d (cf. 5:5,10; 6:4-5)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Luke 1:18-19<\/span> And Zechari\u2019ah said to the<b> <\/b>angel, \u201cHow shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is advanced in years.\u201d And the<b> <\/b>angel answered him, \u201cI am Gabriel, who stand in the presence of God; and I was sent to speak to you, and to bring you this good news.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Luke 1:30, 34, 38 <\/span>And the<b> <\/b>angel said to her, \u201cDo not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. . . . And Mary said to the<b> <\/b>angel, \u201cHow shall this be, since I have no husband?\u201d . . . And Mary said, \u201cBehold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.\u201d And the<b> <\/b>angel departed from her.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 10:8-9<\/span> Then the voice which I had heard from heaven spoke to me again, saying, \u201cGo, take the scroll which is open in the hand of the<b> <\/b>angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.\u201d So I went to the<b> <\/b>angel and told him to give me the little scroll; and he said to me, \u201cTake it and eat; it will be bitter to your stomach, but sweet as honey in your mouth.\u201d<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Men Making Requests or Petitions of Angels (That Are Granted)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Genesis 19:15, 18-21 <\/span>When morning dawned, the angels urged Lot, saying, \u201cArise, take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be consumed in the punishment of the city.\u201d. . . And Lot said to them, \u201cOh, no, my lords; behold, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have shown me great kindness in saving my life; but I cannot flee to the hills, lest the disaster overtake me, and I die. Behold, yonder city is near enough to flee to, and it is a little one. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Let me escape there<\/span> \u2014 is it not a little one? \u2014 and my life will be saved!\u201d He said to him, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">\u201cBehold, I grant you this favor also<\/span>, that I will not overthrow the city of which you have spoken.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Genesis 32:24-29<\/span> And Jacob was left alone; and a man wrestled with him until the breaking of the day. When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and Jacob\u2019s thigh was put out of joint as he wrestled with him. Then he said, \u201cLet me go, for the day is breaking.\u201d But Jacob said, \u201c<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I will not let you go, unless you bless me<\/span>.\u201d And he said to him, \u201cWhat is your name?\u201d And he said, \u201cJacob.\u201d Then he said, \u201cYour name shall no more be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.\u201d Then Jacob asked him, \u201cTell me, I pray, your name.\u201d But he said, \u201cWhy is it that you ask my name?\u201d <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">And there he blessed him<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Genesis 48:14-16<\/span> And Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it upon the head of E\u2019phraim, who was the younger, and his left hand upon the head of Manas\u2019seh, crossing his hands, for Manas\u2019seh was the first-born. And he blessed Joseph, and said, \u201cThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has led me all my life long to this day, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">the<span style=\"font-weight: bold;\"> angel <\/span>who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads<\/span>; and <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">in them let my name be perpetuated<\/span>, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">let them grow into a multitude<\/span> in the midst of the earth.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Angels Pray to God For Men and Give Grace<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\"><br>\n<\/span>\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\">\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Zechariah 1:12 <\/span>Then the angel of the LORD said, `<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">O LORD of hosts, how long<\/span> wilt thou have no mercy on Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these seventy years?\u2019<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Tobit 12:12a, 15<\/span> And so, when you and your daughter-in-law Sarah prayed, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I brought a reminder of your prayer before the Holy One<\/span>; . . . I am Raphael, one of the <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">seven holy<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels who present the prayers of the saints<\/span> and enter into the presence of the glory of the Holy One.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 1:4<\/span> . . . Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">seven spirits who are before his throne<\/span>,<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 8:3-4<\/span> And another<b> <\/b>angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">prayers of all the saints<\/span> upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">before God<\/span>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\"><br>\nAngels Communicating to Men From Heaven<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #009900;\">(Thus Implying That the Reverse is Also Possible)<\/span><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Genesis 21:17-18<\/span> And God heard the voice of the lad; and <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven<\/span>, and said to her, \u201cWhat troubles you, Hagar? Fear not; for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him fast with your hand; for I will make him a great nation.\u201d<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Men Seeing Angels in Heaven<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Genesis 28:12-13<\/span> And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">heaven<\/span>; and behold,<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> the<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels of God were ascending and descending<\/span> on it! And behold, the LORD stood above it and said, \u201cI am the LORD, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and to your descendants;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">John 1:51<\/span> And he said to him, \u201cTruly, truly, I say to you, you will see <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">heaven<\/span> opened, and the<b> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels of God ascending and descending<\/span> upon the Son of man.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 5:11 <\/span>Then <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I looked, and I heard around the throne<\/span> and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many<b> <\/b>angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands,<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 7:11<\/span> And all the<b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels stood round the throne<\/span> and round the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 8:2<\/span> Then <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I saw the<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">seven<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels who stand before God<\/span>, and seven trumpets were given to them.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 10:1<\/span> Then <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I saw another mighty<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angel coming down from heaven<\/span>, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs like pillars of fire.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 12:7 <\/span>Now <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">war arose in heaven, Michael and his<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels fighting against the dragon<\/span>; and the dragon and his<b> <\/b>angels fought,<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 14:17 <\/span>And <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">another<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angel came out of the temple in heaven<\/span>, and he too had a sharp sickle.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 15:1<\/span> Then I saw another portent in <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">heaven<\/span>, great and wonderful, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">seven<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels<\/span> with seven plagues, which are the last, for with them the wrath of God is ended.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 18:1<\/span> After this <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I saw another<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angel coming down from heaven<\/span>, having great authority; and the earth was made bright with his splendor.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 20:1<\/span> Then <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I saw an<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angel coming down from heaven<\/span>, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain. (cf. also Paul\u2019s experience of being caught up to the \u201cthird heaven\u201d: 2 Cor 12:1-4)<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Protection of Angels \/ Guardian Angels<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Psalm 34:7 <\/span>The angel of the LORD <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">encamps<\/span> around those who fear him, and <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">delivers<\/span> them.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Psalm 91:9-12<\/span> Because you have made the LORD your refuge, the Most High your habitation, no evil shall befall you, no scourge come near your tent. For <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">he will give his angels charge of you<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">to guard you in all your ways<\/span>. On their hands they will <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">bear you up<\/span>, lest you dash your foot against a stone.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Isaiah 63:9 <\/span>In all their affliction he was afflicted, and <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">the angel of his presence saved them<\/span>; in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Daniel 6:22<\/span> My God<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> sent his<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angel and shut the lions\u2019 mouths<\/span>, and they have not hurt me, because I was found blameless before him; and also before you, O king, I have done no wrong.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Tobit 12:12b-13<\/span> . . . when you buried the dead, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I was likewise present with you<\/span>. When you did not hesitate to rise and leave your dinner in order to go and lay out the dead, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">your good deed was not hidden from me, but I was with you<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Matthew 18:10<\/span> \u201cSee that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">in heaven their<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels always behold the face of my Father<\/span> who is in heaven.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Luke 4:10<\/span> for it is written, `He will <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">give his<\/span><b style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <\/b><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">angels charge of you, to guard you<\/span>,\u2019 (cf. also Matthew 26:53)<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * * *<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">One Dead Man Petitions Another (Abraham), and is Twice Refused<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Luke 16:19-31 <\/span>\u201cThere was a rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Laz\u2019arus, full of sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man\u2019s table; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham\u2019s bosom. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">The rich man also died and was buried<\/span>; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Laz\u2019arus in his bosom. A<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">nd he called out, <\/span>`Father Abraham, have mercy upon me, and send Laz\u2019arus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.\u2019<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">But Abraham said<\/span>, `Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Laz\u2019arus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.\u2019 And he said, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">`Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father\u2019s house, for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.\u2019 But Abraham said,<\/span> `They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.\u2019 And he said, `No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.\u2019 He said to him, `If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.'\u201d<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Saul Petitions the Prophet Samuel After the Latter\u2019s Death and is Refused<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">1 Samuel 28:15-16<\/span> Then Samuel said to Saul, \u201cWhy have you disturbed me by bringing me up?\u201d Saul answered, \u201cI am in great distress; for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams; therefore <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do<\/span>.\u201d And Samuel said, \u201cWhy then do you ask me, since <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">the LORD has turned from you<\/span> and become your enemy?<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Dead Saints Pray For Those on Earth<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Jeremiah 15:1 <\/span>Then the LORD said to me, \u201c<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Though Moses and Samuel stood before me<\/span>, yet my heart would not turn toward this people. Send them out of my sight, and let them go!<\/p>\n<p>[Moses and Samuel were renowned among both Jews and Christians for their powerful intercession (Ex 32:11-12; 1 Sam 7:9; Ps 99:6; Jer 15:1) ]<br>\n<span style=\"font-weight: bold;\"><br>\n2 Maccabees 15:11-16<\/span> He [Judas Maccabeus] armed each of them not so much with confidence in shields and spears as with the inspiration of brave words, and he cheered them all by relating a dream, a sort of vision, which was worthy of belief. What he saw was this: <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Onias, who had been high priest, a noble and good man, of modest bearing and gentle manner, one who spoke fittingly and had been trained from childhood in all that belongs to excellence, was praying with outstretched hands for the whole body of the Jews. <\/span>Then likewise a man appeared, distinguished by his gray hair and dignity, and of marvelous majesty and authority. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">And Onias spoke, saying, \u201cThis is a man who loves the brethren and prays much for the people and the holy city, Jeremiah, the prophet of God.\u201d<\/span> Jeremiah stretched out his right hand and gave to Judas a golden sword, and as he gave it <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">he addressed him<\/span> thus: \u201cTake this holy sword, a gift from God, with which you will strike down your adversaries.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 5:8 <\/span>And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints<\/span>; (cf. Tobit 12:12,15; Rev 8:3-4)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 6:9-10<\/span> When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">\u201cO Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p>[these are what is called \u201cimprecatory prayers\u201d; cf. Ps 35, 59, 69, 79, 109, 139; Jer 11:18 ff.; 15:15 ff.; 18:19 ff.; 20:11 ff; Zech 1:12]<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #009900; font-weight: bold;\">Dead Saints Appear on Earth Again and Talk to Men<\/span><\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">1 Samuel 28:7-20<\/span> Then Saul said to his servants, \u201cSeek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.\u201d And his servants said to him, \u201cBehold, there is a medium at Endor.\u201d So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments, and went, he and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, \u201cDivine for me by a spirit, and bring up for me whomever I shall name to you.\u201d The woman said to him, \u201cSurely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the wizards from the land. Why then are you laying a snare for my life to bring about my death?\u201d But Saul swore to her by the LORD, \u201cAs the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.\u201d Then the woman said, \u201cWhom shall I bring up for you?\u201d He said, \u201cBring up Samuel for me.\u201d <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice<\/span>; and the woman said to Saul, \u201cWhy have you deceived me? You are Saul.\u201d The king said to her, \u201cHave no fear; what do you see?\u201d And the woman said to Saul, \u201cI see a god coming up out of the earth.\u201d He said to her, \u201cWhat is his appearance?\u201d And she said, \u201cAn old man is coming up; and he is wrapped in a robe.\u201d <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground, and did obeisance. Then Samuel said to Saul, \u201cWhy have you disturbed me by bringing me up?\u201d<\/span> Saul answered, \u201cI am in great distress; for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams; therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do.\u201d <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">And Samuel said<\/span>, \u201cWhy then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy? <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">The LORD has done to you as he spoke by me<\/span>; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand, and given it to your neighbor, David. Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD, and did not carry out his fierce wrath against Am\u2019alek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Moreover the LORD will give Israel also with you into the hand of the Philistines<\/span>; and tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me; the LORD will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines.\u201d <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Then Saul fell at once full length upon the ground, filled with fear because of the words of Samuel<\/span>; and there was no strength in him, for he had eaten nothing all day and all night.<\/p>\n<p>[the current consensus among commentators is that this is Samuel the prophet, after his death, not a demon impersonator as a result of the occultic practices of the medium (see, e.g., <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">New Bible Commentary<\/span>, p. 301; <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Wycliffe Bible Commentary<\/span>, p. 292). This was also the view of the ancient rabbis, St. Justin Martyr, Origen, and St. Augustine, among others. Samuel was in <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Sheol<\/span> or <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Hades<\/span>, which explains his being \u201cbrought up\u201d and saying that Saul would \u201cbe with\u201d him when he dies. Samuel\u2019s true prophecy of the Israeli defeat and Saul\u2019s death (28:19) mitigates against an impersonating demon, as does the medium\u2019s stunned reaction (28:12-13). Samuel speaks prophetically just as he did while on the earth.]<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Sirach 46:19-20<\/span> Before the time of his eternal sleep, Samuel called men to witness before the Lord and his anointed: \u201cI have not taken any one\u2019s property, not so much as a pair of shoes.\u201d And no man accused him. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Even after he had fallen asleep he prophesied and revealed to the king his death, and lifted up his voice out of the earth in prophecy<\/span>, to blot out the wickedness of the people.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Matthew 17:1-4 <\/span>And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain apart. And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Eli\u2019jah, talking with him<\/span>. And Peter said to Jesus, \u201cLord, it is well that we are here; if you wish, I will make three booths here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Eli\u2019jah.\u201d (cf. Mk 9:2-5; Lk 9:29-33)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Matthew 27:50-53 <\/span>And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">the tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Revelation 11:3-12 <\/span>And I will grant my two witnesses power to <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">prophesy <\/span>for one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.\u201d These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">And if any one would harm them, fire pours out from their mouth and consumes their foes<\/span>; if any one would harm them, thus he is doomed to be killed. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">They have power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall <\/span>during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they desire. And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them, and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. For three days and a half men from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb, and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> these two prophets<\/span> had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet<\/span>, and great fear fell on those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, \u201cCome up hither!\u201d And in the sight of their foes they went up to heaven in a cloud.<\/p>\n<p>[The actions of the two witnesses echo those of Moses before Pharaoh and Elijah; especially the turning of water into blood, and the plagues (cf. Mal 4:4-6; Matt 17:11, Transfiguration accounts). As for the stopping of the rain, cf. Elijah: James 5:16-18. Elijah also went up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Ki 2:1,11). Many Church fathers thought they were Enoch and Elijah, because Enoch, like Elijah, never died (Gen 5:24; Sir 44:16; 49:14; Heb 11:5) ]<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * * *<\/div>\n<p>In summary, then, what have we learned about biblical data for the notion of asking angels and dead saints to pray for us and intercede before God for us? Plenty:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) Men talk to angels (16 scriptural examples given)<\/p>\n<p>2) Men make requests or petitions to angels and their wishes are granted (Gen 19, 32, 48).<\/p>\n<p>3) Angels pray to God on behalf of men; they intercede for us (four examples given).<\/p>\n<p>4) Angels even participate in giving grace (Rev 1:4; cf. Tob 12:12,15).<\/p>\n<p>5) Angels talk to human beings from heaven (Gen 21:17-18).<\/p>\n<p>6) Men see angels in heaven (11 examples given).<\/p>\n<p>7) Angels protect and guard men (seven examples).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It is obvious that angels are aware of earthly events, and care about us. All of the data above leads to the deductive conclusion that it is perfectly permissible to ask an angel to pray for us. Three explicit examples occur in Holy Scripture of this very thing. It matters not where the angel<span style=\"font-style: italic;\"> is <\/span>when it hears (#1) and grants the prayer request or intercedes before God, because, in fact, angels are not in space anyway. Our relation to them is the same wherever they \u201care.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, since Scripture shows that they can be asked by human beings for their help, and fulfillments of these requests are even granted (#2), and grace given through angels (#4), the doctrine is proven, as they are extremely intelligent and are not confined to space. We know that angels intercede for us (four examples: #3). Therefore, since they are acutely aware of us, and in fact, we all have guardian angels (#7), we can<span style=\"font-style: italic;\"> ask<\/span> them to do so. If the objection is to angels not being in front of us to talk to, we reply that in one instance, an angel talked to a person on earth from heaven (#5) and that men have often seen angels in heaven (#6). Thus, in all respects, the doctrine is proven from Holy Scripture.<\/p>\n<p>The data regarding dead saints is harmonious with the above, and reinforces and expands it:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) A dead man petitions or \u201cprays\u201d to another dead man (Abraham: Luke 16).<\/p>\n<p>2) Abraham refuses his requests twice, thus showing that dead men can play a part, in conjunction with God, even in turning down (or by implication, also fulfilling) prayer requests.<\/p>\n<p>3) Saul petitions or \u201cprays\u201d to the dead prophet Samuel and his request is declined (1 Sam 28:15-16). But there is no indication that he is forbidden to even make the request. Saul prayed to a dead <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">person<\/span>, not just an impersonating demon!<\/p>\n<p>4) It\u2019s strongly implied that Moses and Samuel continue to intercede for us long after their deaths (Jer 15:1).<\/p>\n<p>5) Onias and Jeremiah pray for the Jews long after their deaths (2 Mac 15:11-16). Even for those who reject this book as part of Scripture (on inadequate grounds), it nevertheless shows that Jews held this belief.<\/p>\n<p>6) Many other dead saints intercede and pray for us (Rev 5:8, 6:9-10).<\/p>\n<p>7) The prophet Samuel appeared on earth again to prophesy to King Saul of his impending death (1 Sam 28:7-20; Sir 46:19-20).<\/p>\n<p>8) Moses and Elijah appear on earth and talk to Jesus within earshot of the disciples (Matt 17:1-4).<\/p>\n<p>9) \u201cMany\u201d dead saints rose and walked around Jerusalem after the crucifixion (Matt 27:50-53).<\/p>\n<p>10) The \u201ctwo witnesses\u201d (Rev 11:3-12) come back to earth, die, and are raised yet again and taken to heaven in a whirlwind. Most commentators have thought (based on analogies and cross-reference) that these \u201cwitnesses\u201d were either Moses and Elijah or Enoch and Elijah.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Thus we can ask dead men to pray for us, according to much evidence from Holy Scripture, because we know that dead saints can hear and answer or decline our prayers, in the power of God (Abraham and Samuel: #1, 2, 3). We know that dead saints are praying for us (Moses, Samuel, Onias, Jeremiah, many others: #4, 5, 6). We also know the crucial premise that these saints are aware of earthly affairs, because of the abundance of examples and the fact that they are described as praying for us in the first place (one can\u2019t pray intelligently with no knowledge of <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">what<\/span> to pray for).<\/p>\n<p>Hence, we see many examples of the \u201cbarrier\u201d between heaven and earth and (earthly) life and death being no problem for God (Samuel, Moses, Elijah, possibly Enoch, and \u201cmany\u201d dead saints buried in Jerusalem all appear again on the earth and communicate with men (#3,7,8,9,10).<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, since they hear and answer prayer requests, pray for us, are perfectly aware of affairs on earth, and in fact, have come back to earth, thus eliminating a supposed barrier between heaven and earth, we can ask them to pray for us and intercede before God on our behalf, because the prayer of a righteous person like Elijah and these other saints, is very powerful and \u201cavaileth much\u201d (James 5:16-17, utilizing the glorious old KJV lingo there). We would be very spiritually foolish <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">not<\/span> to do so, and not to access such power and sanctity, in light of such an abundance of biblical example and sanction.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>. . . in Heaven, for Intercessory Purposes Guardian Angel, by\u00a0Bernhard Plockhorst\u00a0(1825-1907) [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons] * * * (6-10-08) * * * All verses are from RSV. * * * * * The argument is a rather simple one, based on a combination of different factors. 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Chesterton\\\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \\\"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\\\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \\\"Quotable Wesley\\\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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