{"id":6338,"date":"2016-03-02T23:49:24","date_gmt":"2016-03-03T03:49:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=6338"},"modified":"2017-03-25T16:15:59","modified_gmt":"2017-03-25T20:15:59","slug":"is-john-6-about-holy-communion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/03\/is-john-6-about-holy-communion.html","title":{"rendered":"Is John 6 About Holy Communion?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>A Brief Summary for Those Who Deny the Eucharistic Connection Altogether<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-6339 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2016\/03\/Jesus23.jpg\" alt=\"Jesus23\" width=\"548\" height=\"480\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>Christ Taking Leave of the Apostles<\/em> (bet. 1308-1311), by Duccio (1260-1318)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Christ_Taking_Leave_of_the_Apostles.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * * *<\/p>\n<p>I think there are various ways to make the parallel of John 6 to the Last Supper accounts of the three Synoptic Gospels. It was Passover time (Jn 6:4): as the Last Supper was (Mt 26:17, 19; Mk 14:12, 14-16; Lk 22:7-9, 15). Jesus distributed bread in a way similar to the Last Supper: 6:11 (RSV): \u201cJesus then took the loaves, and when he had given thanks, he distributed them to those who were seated.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He fed the masses with bread (6:5, 12), in a sort of analogy to Holy Communion. The repeated analogy of Himself to bread is <em>clearly<\/em>\u00a0eucharistic: 6:35, 41, 48, 50-51. Then the further introduction of the \u201cblood\u201d motif is another obvious eucharistic reference: 6:53-56. I don\u2019t see how anyone could deny that this is eucharistic language.<\/p>\n<p>Then He tops it off by saying that anyone who eats the bread and drinks the wine (flesh and blood) will \u201cnot die\u201d (6:50), will \u201clive for ever\u201d (6:51, 58), will have \u201ceternal life\u201d (6:54), will \u201cabide\u201d in Christ, and He \u201cin him\u201d (6:56), will \u201clive\u201d (6:57). Those who don\u2019t do it will \u201chave no life\u201d (6:53). The task then is to tie the salvation part of this to the synoptic accounts of the Last Supper. The closest the synoptic texts get is \u201cmy blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins\u201d (Mt 26:28).<\/p>\n<p>John doesn\u2019t have the institution of the Lord\u2019s Supper (instead he includes the eucharistic discourse of John 6), but there are clear indications that he\u00a0is talking about the same <em>event<\/em>, minus the institution. He mentions that it was Passover (13:1), talks about Judas\u2019 betrayal (13:2, 18, 21-22, 26-27), and the dipping of the bread (13:23-26), which is mentioned\u00a0in the synoptics, too (Mt 26:21-23; Mk 14:18-20).<\/p>\n<p>John simply highlighted other aspects of the Last Supper: Judas and the marvelous discourse. I think he knew that the other accounts would have the institution, and that they would all be complementary. Or he didn\u2019t, and it just happened.\u00a0I think that it\u2019s impossible\u00a0to deny the eucharistic theme in John 6 as its main thrust.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A Brief Summary for Those Who Deny the Eucharistic Connection Altogether Christ Taking Leave of the Apostles (bet. 1308-1311), by Duccio (1260-1318) [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons] * * * * * I think there are various ways to make the parallel of John 6 to the Last Supper accounts of the three Synoptic Gospels. 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