real<\/em> preferred scenario. Thus, such an argument is designed to make a person holding a particular position uncomfortable, or \u201csquirm.\u201d And, this being the case, they often perceive it as a personal insult and attack, in our wonderful world today, where these sorts of arguments are about as foreign and remote to the average person (even a college-educated one) as Hieroglyphics or Sanskrit.<\/span><\/p>\nIn other words, bigotry and hatred of ethnic or religious groups is not as much<\/em> of a disqualifier as the far greater sin of advocacy of childkilling [aka, \u201cabortion\u201d]. So if one agreed that a person with such views should not ever be voted for<\/em>, it would also follow that the childkilling advocate could not be voted for, either<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\nTo bring it down to brass tacks in this election season,\u00a0many Catholics and other pro-lifers\u00a0feel perfectly justified in voting for the socialist childkiller advocate Bernie Sanders (or for that matter, the childkilling advocate and quite-possible felon Hillary Clinton), when<\/em> there is a pro-life alternative (Catholics are allowed to choose the lesser of two evils if those are the only choices available). But I highly doubt that the same people would vote for a\u00a0bigot and hater, neo-Nazi candidate, if there were a better alternative available. It all depends (for them) on what else<\/em>\u00a0a candidate also believes, according to this mentality. If Sanders has great economic policies [choke!], then we can wink at the childkilling stuff, acceptance of euthanasia and assisted suicide, radical redefinition of marriage, etc.<\/span><\/p>\nVoting for pro-aborts is what sustains the abortion holocaust. Period. No amount of rationalization can make it otherwise. It\u2019s because good<\/em> people vote for those with evil policies, that the latter triumph and continue unabated for generations. We observe the pathetic spectacle of pro-lifers<\/em> (!) voting for those whose views diametrically oppose them on that issue.<\/span><\/p>\n* * * * *<\/p>\n
I made a public reply to a supporter of Bernie Sanders:<\/span><\/p>\n1. If the reasoning is that in a Sanders vs. Trump scenario, we can oppose Trump because he is for waterboarding, which is said to be\u00a0intrinsically evil torture, this ignores the fact that waterboarding has not been definitively declared by the Church as torture. I oppose it as unnecessary and abusive, but I have not been convinced that it is torture, by the Church\u2019s criteria, nor on the basis of specific magisterial statements about waterboarding (which don\u2019t exist, as far as I know).<\/span><\/p>\nEven if we grant that waterboarding is intrinsically evil torture, for the sake of argument, we know that all of three<\/em>\u00a0people (all terrorists) were waterboarded during the Bush years. So the comparison is between that and some ten million babies being legally slaughtered and murdered during the same time. This is hardly an immoral equivalence or a scenario where it is morally superior to vote for Sanders the childkiller, as if he is relatively<\/em> morally superior (i.e., the lesser of two evils).<\/span><\/p>\n2. It is stated that Trump is pro-abortion, too. This is untrue. His stated position is that he is pro-life, including de-funding of Planned Parenthood (even though he thinks PP does some good things, too).<\/span><\/p>\nPeople doubt this because it would be a radical change of mind. Well, they should be aware that Ronald Reagan was also pro-choice, as recently as 13 years before he was elected President. In 1967 he signed a bill into law in California that legalized abortion. It is estimated that 200,000 legal abortions resulted: before Roe v. Wade.<\/span><\/p>\nElder Bush was also pro-choice not long before he became Vice President. I believe his wife still is.<\/span><\/p>\nConversely, President Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Jesse Jackson, and others used to be pro-life, yet no one questions that they are sincerely pro-aborts now.<\/span><\/p>\nIt\u2019s all a moot point because Sanders is very unlikely to be the candidate, unless Billary is indicted or if the FBI at least recommends same. If Sanders is actually the candidate, he\u2019ll be defeated in a landslide: possibly an historic one. We\u2019re talking 46-47 states or more.<\/span><\/p>\nIf Clinton or Sanders are elected, more babies will die. There is no doubt about that. They\u2019ll appoint ultra-liberal, pro-abort Justices to the Supreme Court, who will then uphold abortion \u201crights\u201d and restrict restrictions on abortion, which are the primary cause of the reduction in abortions.<\/span><\/p>\nCatholic Democrats\u00a0can get as elaborate and legalistic as they\u00a0like (spin and fine-tune and rationalize and nuance it till kingdom come); the blood remains partially on their\u00a0hands if they\u00a0vote for people for national office who sanction childkilling. They\u00a0directly allow the holocaust to continue. Things will only change if Catholics and other pro-lifers start voting according to their stated positions, and never vote (unless<\/em> faced with a terrible choice of two rabid pro-aborts: which scenario the Church recognizes) for those who advocate childkilling: by far the greatest and most diabolical evil and social issue of our time.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Reductio ad Absurdum Life-size model of fetus at 8 weeks after conception. Brain waves begin at six weeks, and heartbeat at 18 days. Photograph by Bill Davenport: 4 March 2007 [Wikimedia Commons \/\u00a0 Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license] * * * * *\u00a0 I have a question for Catholic Democrats or \u201canti-Republicans\u201d: if […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":6349,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[81,289],"tags":[84,2423,88,2074,2424,2073,756,1257,2422,2076,2075,1254,755,1255,1251,747,746,752],"class_list":["post-6346","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-life-issues","category-political-ethical-moral-issues","tag-abortion","tag-bernie-sanders","tag-childkilling","tag-democrats-abortion","tag-hillary-clinton","tag-human-rights","tag-infanticide","tag-informed-consent","tag-intrinsic-evils","tag-murder","tag-partial-birth-abortion","tag-personhood","tag-planned-parenthood","tag-preborn-child","tag-pro-aborts","tag-pro-choice","tag-pro-life","tag-right-to-life"],"yoast_head":"\n
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