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This exchange took place in the combox of my article, Jesus\u2019 Last Words: Biblical \u201cContradictions\u201d?<\/a> (4-8-21). Words of JohnMC<\/a> (atheist?) will be in blue.<\/p>\n

*****<\/p>\n

I think it is right to point out that it is not unreasonable to expect texts regarded as holy and revealed to show consistency. Even minor inconsistencies invite scepticism because of the rigorous claims made for the significance of the texts.<\/span><\/p>\n

I fully agree, which is why I have largely devoted my writing and research over the last two-three years to answering precisely these objections (as well as establishing a positive support of Scripture from archaeology, which will be the subject of my next \u201cofficially published\u201d book). A full listing of those efforts can be found in my collection, \u201cArmstrong\u2019s Refutations of Alleged Biblical \u2018Contradictions'\u201d<\/a>.<\/p>\n

These efforts include scores and scores of systematic replies to atheists who specialize in trying to attack the Bible and its alleged massive self-contradictions. Some\u00a0never<\/i>\u00a0reply\u00a0<\/b>to my counter-replies to their claims (Bob Seidensticker<\/a>, Dr. David Madison<\/a>, John Loftus<\/a>, Bart Ehrman<\/a>, Richard Carrier<\/a>, and more). Others\u00a0do<\/i>\u00a0occasionally (and kudos to them for doing so), but (frankly) not very\u00a0well<\/i>\u00a0when they do (Jonathan M.S. Pearce<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Let me ask\u00a0you<\/i>\u00a0(since you ask\u00a0me<\/i>\u00a0so many questions): if these atheists\u2019 arguments are so compelling, why don\u2019 they prove it and blow my counter-replies out of the water? But they don\u2019t. They prefer to almost always ignore them. They say it\u2019s because I am an ignoramus, imbecile, and idiot (always easy to\u00a0say<\/i>). I say it is because they have a lousy case and are intellectual cowards.<\/p>\n

I hope that this dealing with \u201ccontradictions\u201d will be the topic of my next book (if a publisher wants it), after my next on archaeology is published.<\/p>\n

The application of standard reasoning and principles of reliability to historical documents are fine by me <\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah, me too.<\/p>\n

but they are being applied to documents that are claimed to have divine sanction.<\/span><\/p>\n

We apply reason and intelligence to biblical interpretation, just as we do to any other topic or extensive set of writings like the Bible. That\u2019s what apologetics (my field) is about: applying reason to theology.<\/p>\n

Why do we even need to apply human reasoning to their comprehension, and why might a simple claimed error of interpretation lead anyone into misconstruing divine writ?<\/span><\/p>\n

Because we have to reason in order to properly understand theological documents that are all are 1920 or more years old, written in different languages (including hundreds of non-literal idioms and metaphors, etc.), and produced by a vastly different culture from our present one. That\u2019s not even arguable. It\u2019s self-evident.<\/p>\n

The problem with the routine lists of atheist or skeptics\u2019 \u201ccontradictions\u201d is that they are so terribly weak, pathetic, and 90% of the time (or more!) clearly not even contradictions in the first place. It\u2019s not so much that the Bible is\u00a0difficult to understand<\/i>\u00a0(although\u00a0parts<\/i>\u00a0of it certainly\u00a0are<\/i>: particularly portions of Paul\u2019s letters), but that the skeptics who approach the Bible like a butcher approaches a hog are so 1) abominably ignorant of the Bible\u2019s contents and interpretation, and 2) seem to have never familiarized themselves with classical logic or a textbook of logic. [in case you are wondering, I\u00a0did<\/i>\u00a0take logic in college]<\/p>\n

Some inconsistencies may not be contradictions but represent ambivalences that cannot be batted away.<\/span><\/p>\n

Well, then, since all these big shot \/ big name atheists almost always ignore my replies, perhaps\u00a0you<\/i><\/b> will show the courage of your convictions and take up some of them? We agree on the premises (that it\u2019s worthwhile to have those discussions). You seem to be capable. Have at it! I gave you the list of all my defenses.<\/p>\n

You see how I have replied to you here, as I always do if an inquiry has substance. You didn\u2019t immediately insult my honesty, as C Nault<\/a> did [\u201cYour response is the standard playing with what the Bible actually says and twisting it to suit your personal interpretation\u201d<\/span>: in the same combox]. So I responded quite differently and at length.<\/p>\n

Then there are the fully-fledged contradictions and ambiguities and obscurenesses. And then we see the self-referential legitimating arguments.<\/span>\u00a0A biblical statement of belief for example the Trinity does [not] become true because it is repeated.<\/span><\/p>\n

Of course not (just like anything else). The Trinity comes from revelation and cannot be understood from a logic-alone \/ rationalistic perspective. It is an exceedingly subtle doctrine and requires faith. No Christian has ever denied that. What I focus on is to prove that the Bible\u00a0teaches<\/i>\u00a0it in the first place (many atheists deny this), and why Christians believe that the Bible does so.<\/p>\n

Evidence of consistency of belief is not evidence of truth of belief.<\/span><\/p>\n

Strictly speaking, no. It\u2019s evidence of a lack of contradictoriness, which is the bare minimum. But a consistent showing from the Bible that alleged contradictions are in fact\u00a0not<\/i>\u00a0so (which I have done myself, and many other apologists have done),\u00a0does<\/i>, by a cumulative effect, tend to support the notion of biblical inspiration. Consistency doesn\u2019t\u00a0prove<\/i>\u00a0biblical inspiration (which is also a matter of faith), but it\u2019s\u00a0consistent<\/i>\u00a0with it; whereas massive contradictions actually proven are\u00a0inconsistent\u00a0<\/i>with inspiration.<\/p>\n

The latter is why I think it is important to deal with these sorts of charges, because it\u2019s important to defend inspiration (indirectly) from reason. We need to \u201cdefeat the defeaters\u201d and show how very weak they are.<\/p>\n

Few things bolster my Christian faith more than dealing with the alleged \u201ccontradictions\u201d: because the arguments are so abominable and laughable that we see the Christian faith as far more rational and sensible. Observing (while I am making my own arguments) the Bible being able to withstand all attacks is incredibly, joyfully faith-boosting. It\u2019s the unique blessing we apologists receive for our efforts.<\/p>\n

Statements of miraculous happenings are not proved because there are a lot of them. If extravagant claims are made for the absolute value of scripture, why is it so easy wonder if the texts do not actually just display the predictable raggedness of human ones?<\/span><\/p>\n

I say they can withstand all the accusations thrown out them, and prove it by my own work. If you disagree, as I said, start sending me counter-counter-replies to my counter-replies, since virtually all of the folks I have replied to refuse to do so (most with rank insults sent my way, too).<\/p>\n

Thanks for the serious, non-insulting interaction and have a great day.<\/p>\n

[if JohnMC<\/a> replies, I will add his words to this paper with my further replies]<\/p>\n

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Summary<\/em>: Good discussion about the nature of alleged Bible \u201ccontradictions\u201d in which I explain the rationale for my recently devoting so much time and energy to solving them.<\/p>\n

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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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