{"id":64509,"date":"2022-05-26T20:17:22","date_gmt":"2022-05-27T00:17:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=64509"},"modified":"2023-02-21T15:22:10","modified_gmt":"2023-02-21T19:22:10","slug":"reply-to-lucas-banzolis-205-potshots-at-st-peter-part-i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/reply-to-lucas-banzolis-205-potshots-at-st-peter-part-i.html","title":{"rendered":"Reply to Lucas Banzoli&#8217;s 205 Potshots at St. Peter, Part I"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/05\/PeterKeys2b.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-64512\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/05\/PeterKeys2b-300x287.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"287\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lucasbanzoli.com\/2015\/07\/artigos-sobre-catolicismo.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Lucas Banzoli<\/a> is a very active Brazilian anti-Catholic polemicist, who holds to basically a Seventh-Day Adventist theology, whereby there is no such thing as a soul that consciously exists outside of a body, and no hell (soul sleep and annihilationism). This leads him to a Christology which is deficient and heterodox in terms of Christ\u2019s human nature after His death.\u00a0He has a Master\u2019s degree in theology, a degree and postgraduate work in history, a license in letters, and is a history teacher, author of 25 books, as well as blogmaster (but now inactive) for six blogs. He\u2019s <a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/LucasBanzoli\/videos?app=desktop\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">active on YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">The words of Lucas Banzoli will be in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>. I used <em>Google Translate<\/em> to transfer his Portugese text into English.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Part One: \u201cDisproofs\u201d #1-50<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">See other installments:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-ii.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Part Two: \u201cDisproofs\u201d #51-100<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iii.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Part Three: \u201cDisproofs\u201d #101-15o<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iv.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Part Four: \u201cDisproofs\u201d #151-205<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p>I am responding to his article,<a href=\"http:\/\/lucasbanzoli.no.comunidades.net\/205-provas-contra-o-primado-de-pedro\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> \u201c205 Provas Contra O Primado de Pedro\u201d<\/a> (no date) [<span class=\"goog-text-highlight\"><em>205 Proofs Against the Primacy of Peter<\/em>]. It\u2019s a reply to my well-known article, <a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/50-nt-proofs-for-petrine-primacy-the-papacy.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">50 New Testament Proofs for Petrine Primacy &amp; the Papacy<\/a>, which was written in 1994 as part of my first book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-biblical.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><em>A Biblical Defense of Catholicism<\/em><\/a>: completed in May 1996 but not \u201cofficially\u201d published until 2003 (Sophia Institute Press). The article has been posted on my website since it began in February 1997, and was also published in the print magazine, <i>The Catholic Answer<\/i>, Jan\/Feb 1997, 32-35 (now <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/culture\/library\/view.cfm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">posted at the <em>Catholic Culture<\/em> site<\/a>). It was <a href=\"http:\/\/agnusdei.50webs.com\/div81.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">translated into Portugese<\/a> in the late 1990s by <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/carlosmartins.nabeto\/about\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Carlos Martins Nabeto<\/a> and also by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bibliacatolica.com.br\/blog\/50-provas-do-primado-petrino-e-do-papado-tiradas-do-novo-testamento\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ewerton Wagner Santos Caetano<\/a> sometime before July 2008. Apparently, it has been widely spread in Brazil for some time now.<\/p>\n<p>Protestant anti-Catholic apologist Jason Engwer made similar critiques of the article, which I comprehensively responded to:<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/09\/reply-critique-50-nt-proofs-papacy-vs-jason-engwer.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cReply to Critique of \u201c50 NT Proofs for the Papacy,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0(vs. Jason Engwer) [3-14-02]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/09\/refutation-satirical-pauline-papacy-argument-vs-jason-engwer.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Refutation of a Satirical \u201cPauline Papacy\u201d Argument<\/a>\u00a0(vs. Jason Engwer) [9-30-03]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/10\/st-peter-listed-first-in-lists-of-disciples-a-debate.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">St. Peter Listed First in Lists of Disciples: A Debate<\/a>\u00a0(vs. Jason Engwer) [10-12-20]<\/p>\n<p>It should be made clear at the outset, <em>exactly what I think my article <strong>established<\/strong><\/em>; how much I <em>claim<\/em> for it (since Lucas seems to take a low view of cumulative arguments). I wrote in the initial article itself:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Catholic doctrine of the papacy is biblically based, and is derived from the evident primacy of St. Peter among the apostles. Like all Christian doctrines, it has undergone development through the centuries, but it hasn\u2019t departed from the essential components already existing in the leadership and prerogatives of St. Peter. . . . The biblical Petrine data is quite strong and convincing, by virtue of its cumulative weight, . . .<\/p>\n<p>In conclusion, it strains credulity to think that God would present St. Peter with such prominence in the Bible, without some meaning and import for later Christian history; in particular, Church government. The papacy is the most plausible (we believe actual) fulfillment of this.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In my 2002 reply to Engwer I vigorously defended the article:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I think it<i>\u00a0is<\/i>\u00a0very strong, certainly stronger than the biblical cases for\u00a0<i>sola Scriptura<\/i> and the canon of the New Testament (which are nonexistent). . . .<\/p>\n<p>As I said, it is a \u201ccumulative\u201d argument. One doesn\u2019t\u00a0<i>expect<\/i> that all individual pieces of such an argument are \u201cairtight\u201d or conclusive in and of themselves, in isolation, by the nature of the case. . . . Obviously, passages like the two above [Jn 20:67 and Acts 12:5] wouldn\u2019t \u201clogically lead to a papacy.\u201d But they can quite plausibly be regarded as <i>consistent<\/i>\u00a0with such a notion, as part of a demonstrable larger pattern, within which they <em>do<\/em> carry some force. . . .\u00a0Another way to respond to this would be to make an analogy to a doctrine that Jason\u00a0<i>does<\/i>\u00a0accept: the Holy Trinity:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Does Jason really think it\u2019s reasonable to expect me to explain to him why passages like Isaiah 9:6 and Zechariah 12:10 don\u2019t logically lead to Chalcedonian trinitarianism and the Two Natures of Christ?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Obviously, the Jews are quite familiar with Isaiah 9:6 and Zechariah 12:10, but they don\u2019t see any indication of trinitarianism at all in them, nor do the three passages above \u201clogically lead\u201d to trinitarianism, if they are not interconnected with many, many other biblical evidences. Yet they are used as proof texts by Christians. No one claims that they are compelling by themselves; these sorts of \u201cproofs\u201d are used in the same way that my lesser Petrine evidences are used, as\u00a0<i>consistent<\/i> with lots of other biblical data suggesting that conclusion. . . . Likewise, with many Protestants and the papacy and its biblical evidences. . . .<\/p>\n<p>[O]ne strong Protestant presupposition is that Paul was much more important than Peter. Indeed, that is how it appears on the face of it in the New Testament (with so many books written by Paul and all). As with many Catholic beliefs, one must take a deeper look at Scripture to see how the pieces of Catholicism fit together in a harmonious whole.<\/p>\n<p>Knowing this, I approached the Petrine list with the thought in mind: \u201cPaul is obviously an important figure, but how much biblical material can one find with regard to Peter, which would be\u00a0<i>consistent with<\/i>\u00a0(not\u00a0<i>absolute proof\u00a0<\/i>of) a view that he was the head of the Church and the first pope?\u201d Or, to put it another way (from the perspective of preexisting Catholic belief): \u201cif Peter were indeed the leader of the Church, we would expect to find much material about his leadership role in the New Testament, at least in kernel form, if not explicitly.\u201d . . .<\/p>\n<p>As for the nature of a \u201ccumulative argument,\u201d what Jason doesn\u2019t seem to understand is that all the various evidences become strong <em>only as they are considered <strong>together<\/strong><\/em> (like many weak strands of twine which become a strong rope when they are woven together). . . . many of the other [proofs] are not particularly strong by themselves, but they demonstrate, I think, that there is much in the New Testament which is <i>consistent<\/i>\u00a0with Petrine primacy, which is the developmental kernel of papal primacy.<\/p>\n<p>The reader ought to note, also, that in the original paper I wasn\u2019t claiming that these biblical indications proved \u201cpapal\u00a0<i>supremacy<\/i>\u201d or \u201cpapal\u00a0<i>infallibility<\/i>\u201d (i.e., the fully-developed papacy of recent times). This is important in understanding exactly how I viewed the evidence. . . .<\/p>\n<p>None of the things on the list are \u201cirrelevant,\u201d as Scripture itself is not \u201cirrelevant,\u201d and does not record tidbits of information for no reason. It is inspired;\u00a0<i>God-breathed<\/i>, after all. God doesn\u2019t give us useless information. These factors are relevant as indications consistent with the leadership role of Peter. There were many other leaders in the early Church as well, but only one preeminent leader. It is like talking about the Speaker of the House or the Senate majority leader [in American government]. They\u2019re leaders, too, but the President holds a higher office than they do.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I defended my original article at great length in all my replies to Jason. And I will do so again in this multi-part article.<\/p>\n<p>F. F. Bruce, the well-respected Protestant biblical scholar, made a similar point to mine, about Peter\u2019s centrality and importance:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A Paulinist (and I myself must be so described) is under a constant temptation to underestimate Peter . . .<\/p>\n<p>An impressive tribute is paid to Peter by Dr. J. D. G. Dunn towards the end of his\u00a0<i>Unity and Diversity in the New Testament<\/i>\u00a0[London: SCM Press, 1977, 385; emphasis in original]. Contemplating the diversity within the New Testament canon, he thinks of the compilation of the canon as an exercise in bridge-building, and suggests that<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">it was Peter who became the focal point of unity in the great Church, since\u00a0<i>Peter was probably in fact and effect the bridge-man who did more than any other to hold together the diversity of first-century Christianity<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>Paul and James, he thinks, were too much identified in the eyes of many Christians with this and that extreme of the spectrum to fill the role that Peter did. Consideration of Dr. Dunn\u2019s thoughtful words has moved me to think more highly of Peter\u2019s contribution to the early church, without at all diminishing my estimate of Paul\u2019s contribution. (<i>Peter, Stephen, James, and John<\/i>, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1979, 42-43)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Elsewhere, four years later, Bruce observed:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And what about the \u201ckeys of the kingdom\u201d? . . . About 700 B.C. an oracle from God\u00a0announced that this authority in the royal palace in Jerusalem was to be conferred on a man\u00a0called Eliakim . . . (Isa. 22:22). So in the new community which Jesus was about to build,\u00a0Peter would be, so to speak, chief steward.\u00a0(F .F. Bruce,\u00a0<i>The Hard Sayings of Jesus<\/i>, Downers Grove, Illinois: Intervarsity Press, 1983, 143-144)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>James Dunn, himself no mean Bible scholar, backs up my overall point quite nicely, too:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>So it is Peter . . . who was probably the most prominent among Jesus\u2019 disciples, Peter who according to early traditions was the first witness of the risen Jesus, Peter who was the leading figure in the earliest days of the new sect in Jerusalem, but Peter who also was concerned for mission, and who as Christianity broadened its outreach and character broadened with it, at the cost to be sure of losing his leading role in Jerusalem, but with the result that he became the most hopeful symbol of unity for that growing Christianity which more and more came to think of itself as the Church Catholic. \u00a0(<i>Unity and Diversity in the New Testament<\/i>, London: SCM Press, 1977, 385-386)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Many prominent Protestant scholars and exegetes have agreed that Peter is the Rock in Matthew 16:18, including\u00a0<b>Henry Alford<\/b>, (Anglican:\u00a0<i>The New Testament for English Readers<\/i>, vol. 1, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker, 1983, 119),\u00a0<b>John Broadus\u00a0<\/b>(Reformed Baptist:\u00a0<i>Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew<\/i>, Valley Forge, Pennsylvania: Judson Press, 1886, 355-356),<b>\u00a0C. F. Keil<\/b>,\u00a0<b>Gerhard Kittel\u00a0<\/b>(Lutheran:\u00a0<i>Theological Dictionary of the New Testament<\/i>, vol. VI, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1968, 98-99),\u00a0<b>Oscar Cullmann<\/b>\u00a0(Lutheran:\u00a0<i>Peter: Disciple, Apostle, Martyr<\/i>, 2nd rev. ed., 1962),<b>\u00a0William F. Albright<\/b>,<b>\u00a0Robert McAfee Brown<\/b>, and more recently, highly-respected evangelical commentators\u00a0<b>R.T. France<\/b>, and\u00a0<b>D.A. Carson<\/b>, who both surprisingly assert that only Protestant overreaction to Catholic Petrine and papal claims have brought about the denial that Peter himself is the Rock.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s nine so far. Here are some more:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>10)\u00a0<i>New Bible Dictionary<\/i>\u00a0(editor: J. D. Douglas).<br>\n11)\u00a0<i>Encyclopaedia Britannica<\/i>, 1985 edition, \u201cPeter,\u201d Micropedia, vol. 9, 330-333. D. W. O\u2019Connor, the author of the article, is himself a Protestant.<br>\n12)\u00a0<i>New Bible Commentary<\/i>, (D. Guthrie, &amp; J. A. Motyer, editors).<br>\n13)\u00a0<i>Peter in the New Testament<\/i>, Raymond E Brown, Karl P. Donfried and John Reumann, editors, . . . a common statement by a panel of eleven Catholic and Lutheran scholars.<br>\n14) Greek scholar Marvin Vincent.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If Peter was the Rock, as all these eminent Protestant scholars believe, then the argument is a straightforward logical one leading to the conclusion that Peter led the Church, because Jesus built His Church upon Peter. If there was a leader of the Church in the <i>beginning<\/i>, it stands to reason that there would\u00a0<i>continue<\/i> to be one, just as there was a first President when the laws of the United States were established at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. Why have one President and then cease to have one thereafter and let the executive branch of government exist without a leader?<\/p>\n<p>Catholics are, therefore, simply applying common sense: if this is how Jesus set up the government of His Church in the beginning, then it ought to continue in like fashion, in perpetuity. Apostolic succession is a biblical notion. If bishops are succeeded by other bishops, and the Bible proves this, then the chief bishop is also succeeded by other chief bishops (later called\u00a0<i>popes<\/i>). Thus the entire argument (far from being\u00a0<i>nonexistent<\/i>, as Jason would have us believe) is sustained and established from the Bible alone.<\/p>\n<p>To conclude this introduction, I cite the great Lutheran scholar Oscar Cullmann:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Just as in Isaiah 22:22 the Lord puts the keys of the house of David on the shoulders of his servant Eliakim, so does Jesus hand over to Peter the keys of the house of the kingdom of heaven and by the same stroke establishes him as his superintendent. There is a connection between the house of the Church, the construction of which has just been mentioned and of which Peter is the foundation, and the celestial house of which he receives the keys. The connection between these two images is the notion of God\u2019s people. (<i>Peter: Disciple, Apostle, Martyr<\/i>, Neuchatel: Delachaux &amp; Niestle, 1952 French ed., 183-184)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The present study is, first, an extensive and elaborate refutation of a famous Catholic article by Dave Armstrong, which today is in practically all Catholic websites that, in Brazil and in the world, repeat and disseminate a list of 50 \u201cproofs\u201d of the primacy of Peter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Glad to hear it\u2019s being spread far and wide in Brazil! Lots of Bible going out . . .<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">It was only after a long time that I decided to elaborate a rebuttal to that article, not only answering all of Armstrong\u2019s points, but also carrying out 205 proofs against the primacy of Peter, which largely refute all the supposed \u201cevidence\u201d that he found in isolation in the Bible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>A cumulative case from all over the New Testament is the very <em>opposite<\/em> of <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cin isolation.\u201d<\/span> It\u2019s systematic theology. Whether he has refuted my argument remains to be<em> seen<\/em>. Keep reading, folks, and get ready for a \u201clong ride\u201d! It always takes much more \u201cink\u201d to<em> refute<\/em> errors than it does to <em>state<\/em> them. And repeating errors over and over makes them no less false. One could say \u201c2 + 2 = 5\u201d all day long and it wouldn\u2019t be any less false than it was the first time one said it.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">To show that the biblical gospel is not formed by one or another isolated passage that cannot support doctrine, I sought to show a much greater biblical content, clearly demonstrating that Dave\u2019s study was extremely arbitrary and that it absolutely ignored the total content of the Scriptures that vigorously repudiate all his attempts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Nonsense; but an \u201cE for effort . . .\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Without further ado, I will go over the 205 proofs below found throughout Scripture, broken down especially into four main points:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">1. Peter\u2019s supposed supremacy over the other apostles in general. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> 2. Peter\u2019s supposed supremacy over John. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> 3. Peter\u2019s supposed supremacy over Paul. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> 4. Peter\u2019s supposed primacy in Rome for 25 years. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> After all this, I believe that there will be no more people left who prefer to be clubbed with their isolated biblical passages. Anyone who analyzes the New Testament as closely as I did before composing the present study can easily see how what the Bible overthrows most is the supposed \u201cprimacy of Peter.\u201d Read and have fun. The peace of Christ be with all brothers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Peace and joy of Christ to Lucas and all. May the best argument prevail and may God open our eyes, give us all an open mind and heart, and lead and guide us into the fullness and splendor of biblical truth and revelation, wherever it \u201cgoes\u201d. Kick your socks off, find a nice easy chair, and enjoy the \u201cride.\u201d I know I will enjoy writing this. I hope readers enjoy reading it too.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\">Evidence that Peter did not exercise primacy over the other apostles <\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 1.<\/strong> The disciples asked \u201cwho is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven\u201d (Mt.18:1). Jesus, however, did not take the opportunity to say that it was Peter; quite the opposite! If Peter exercised primacy among the apostles, it would have been no problem for Jesus to end the question right away by answering as Catholics openly declare \u2013 that it is Peter, and that\u2019s it!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is a silly and frivolous, unserious argument. The whole <em>point<\/em> of the passage is that this was an instance of presumptive arrogance, pride, and spiritual immaturity among two disciples: to be fighting about who was the \u201cgreatest\u201d disciple. Jesus cuts right through the pride, stating, \u201cWhoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven\u201d (Mt 18:4). He reiterates later: \u201cHe who is greatest among you shall be your servant; whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted\u201d (Mt 23:11-12).<\/p>\n<p>The two disciples in question <em>knew<\/em> they were wrong, since on one occasion Jesus asked them what they were \u201cdiscussing\u201d and the text says \u201cthey were <em>silent<\/em>; for on the way they had discussed with one another who was the greatest\u201d (Mk 9:33-34). Jesus said: \u201che who is least among you all is the one who is great\u201d (Lk 9:48).\u00a0It was James and John who were the disciples who talked like this: as we know from other passages (and the anger of the other ten against them):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 20:20-21, 24<\/strong> (RSV) Then the mother of the sons of Zeb\u2019edee came up to him, with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something.\u00a0[21] And he said to her, \u201cWhat do you want?\u201d She said to him, \u201cCommand that these two sons of mine may sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom.\u201d . . . [24] And when the ten heard it, they were indignant at the two brothers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mark 3:17<\/strong> James the son of Zeb\u2019edee and John the brother of James, whom he surnamed Bo-aner\u2019ges, that is, sons of thunder;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Jesus gave them that nickname because these were the two impulsive characters who wanted to kill people with fire because they weren\u2019t receptive to Jesus:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Luke 9:53-55<\/strong> but the people would not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem. [54] And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, \u201cLord, do you want us to bid fire come down from heaven and consume them?\u201d [55] But he turned and rebuked them.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Even tempestuous Peter never said anything <em>that<\/em> stupid. So to see these passages with their clear intent (James and John were spiritually immature and prideful: apparently inherited from their mother), and to make out that this would supposedly be a golden opportunity for Jesus to say, \u201c<em>Peter<\/em> is the <em>greatest<\/em> among you!\u201d is just plain dumb. He\u2019s not going to rebuke the very notion as spiritually prideful and then provide Peter as the example of spiritual pride (??!!). That makes no sense whatsoever.<\/p>\n<p>Besides, Catholics would never say that Peter was the \u201cgreatest\u201d anyway. He was simply the leader of the disciples and the first pope. The greatest person was arguably the sinless and immaculate Blessed Virgin Mary. But of course she was too humble to speak in those terms (\u201cI am the handmaid of the Lord . . . he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden\u201d: Lk 1:38, 48). It\u2019s Elizabeth who praises her: \u201cBlessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!\u201d (Lk 1:42), but Mary immediately gives all the glory to God (Lk 1:46-55).<\/p>\n<p>Some of this can likely be explained by petty jealousy, as <em><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/ellicott\/matthew\/18.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ellicott\u2019s Commentary for English Readers<\/a><\/em>, commenting on Matthew 18:1 speculates:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We may well believe that the promise made to Peter, and the special choice of the Three for closer converse, as in the recent Transfiguration, had given occasion for the rival claims which thus asserted themselves. Those who were less distinguished looked on this preference, it may be, with jealousy, while, within the narrower circle, the ambition of the two sons of Zebedee to sit on their Lord\u2019s right hand and on His left in His kingdom (Matthew 20:23), was ill-disposed to concede the primacy of Peter.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Talk about \u201cisolating\u201d passages and having no clue about context . . . Lucas is off to a very poor start. See how much writing it took to properly and thoroughly refute a lousy argument?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>2.<\/strong> The fact that the disciples disputed among themselves as to which of them was the greatest shows us that there was no primacy among them, not even after Mt.16:6 (note that the dispute came after that, in Mt.18:1). ). If the disciples had understood Jesus\u2019 statement in Matthew 16:16 (or any other) as an indication of Peter\u2019s superiority over the others, there would be no such dispute, nor would it be necessary to ask Jesus \u201cwhich of them was the greatest\u201d, since it was already decided that it was Peter! That would make as much logic as a Catholic asking about who has more dominion, the pope or those below him. The very fact that this question is raised already shows us that there was no such primacy, and even more the fact that Jesus denied it further accentuates this fact.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is equally silly, because there are various meanings and applications of \u201cgreatest\u201d: not simply an application to the pope and no one else. Lucas assumes that they could only be talking specifically about being the leader of the disciples. In fact, Jesus stated who was the \u201cgreatest\u201d before Matthew 16, and it wasn\u2019t Peter:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 11:11<\/strong> Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Note that Jesus again made His habitual point about meekness and servanthood. The spiritual pride and immaturity of James and John has no bearing on the primacy of Peter. If indeed they were jealous or envious, as the above Protestant commentator believed, this would actually be evidence <em>in favor<\/em> of Jesus placing the primacy of ecclesiastical jurisdiction upon Peter. The disciples were <em>often<\/em> clueless before they received the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. This is nothing \u201cnew\u201d or surprising at all.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 3.<\/strong> Jesus stated that the rulers of nations rule over them and important people exercise power over them, but that would not be the case among the disciples (Mt.10:42,43). Now, if Jesus agreed with the dominion that the pope exercises over others (bishops and clerics), then he would have said just the opposite, that is, that Peter was leader among them, just as the rulers of nations were leaders among them. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Jesus\u2019 point was <em><strong>clearly<\/strong><\/em> not about <em>mere leadership<\/em>, but rather, the <em>spirit<\/em> in which a ruler rules. He is to be the servant of all, just as Jesus was (the perfect example):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 20:25<\/strong> But Jesus called them to him and said, \u201cYou know that the rulers of the Gentiles <em>lord it over them<\/em>, and their great men exercise authority over them. (cf. Mk 10:42)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/matthew\/20-25.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Various translations in English<\/a> bring out His meaning more clearly: \u201cdomineer over them\u201d (NASB), \u201chave absolute power <i>. . . <\/i>[tyrannizing them]\u201d (Amplified, which is designed to stress specific and particular meanings), \u201cforeign rulers like to order their people around . . . have full power over everyone they rule\u201d (CEV), \u201cshow off their authority over them\u201d (CEB), etc.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, Jesus was simply saying that Christians must be guided by a different spirit (to act according to His own example), and to not be despots and tyrants, like so many secular leaders are. The ruler was to serve all, not dominate them and be filled with the lust for power. Jesus had no beef against civil (or Church) government per se. When asked about taxes, He casually said, \u201cRender therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar\u2019s\u201d (Mt 22:21; cf. Mk 12:17; Lk 20:25; Rom 13:6-7). The Apostle Paul appealed to Caesar and his Roman citizenship (which spared him from crucifixion: Acts 25:11-12). He wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Romans 13:1-5<\/strong>\u00a0Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.\u00a0[2] Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, [4] for he is God\u2019s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. [5] Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God\u2019s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Peter commanded Christians to \u201cBe subject for the Lord\u2019s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors . . . Honor the emperor\u201d (1 Pet 2:13-14, 17). The emperor at the time he wrote was Nero.<\/p>\n<p>Jesus <em>did<\/em> say that Peter was the leader of the disciples and His new Church, by making him the Rock upon which that Church was built, giving him (and he alone) the keys of the kingdom, and telling him to \u201cFeed my lambs . . . Tend my sheep . . . Feed my sheep\u201d (Jn 21:15-17), and \u201cstrengthen your brethren\u201d (Lk 22:32).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The fact that Christ does not emphasize equality, but rather a contrast, shows us very clearly that, in fact, there would not be a superiority between them: \u201cYou know that those who are considered rulers of nations dominate them, and important people exercise power over them. It will not be so among you\u201d (Mk.10:42).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>No; it shows that there ought not be a power-hungry, domineering spirit, not that there would be no leadership in the Church. Jesus wasn\u2019t an anarchist. He believed in Church government, just as He believed in civil government.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>4.<\/strong> Jesus called Peter \u201ca man of little faith\u201d (Mt.14:31), because he doubted (Mt.14:31). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>So did <em>all<\/em> of the disciples at one time or another. As I said above, this was before they had received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Only one, John, was present at the crucifixion. \u201cThen all the disciples forsook him and fled\u201d (Mt 26:56; cf. Mk 14:50), \u201cYou will all fall away because of me this night; for it is written, \u2018I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered'\u201d (Mt 26:31; cf. Mk 14:27). After they were Spirit-filled, it was a completely different story, and ten of the eleven disciples (minus Judas) died as glorious martyrs.<\/p>\n<p>Let me get this out of the way now and not have to repeat it: Catholics don\u2019t believe that popes are impeccable (sinless), only that they are infallible: and even that is under very specific conditions. So every one of these supposed \u201cdisproofs\u201d that notes that Peter was a sinner is simply stating the obvious, and is an irrelevant <em>non sequitur<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 5.<\/strong> Peter had the audacity to rebuke Jesus (Mt.16:22), and was rebuked like a demon (Mt.16:23), for acting as a \u201cstumbling block\u201d (Mt.16:23 \u2013 NIV; \u201d cause of scandal\u201d \u2013 ARA). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 6.<\/strong> Jesus rebuked Peter for \u201cthinking not of the things of God, but only of the things of men\u201d (Mt.16:23). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. Peter, before he had the Holy Spirit, was understandably concerned about Jesus talking about going to Jerusalem and being killed. He had little understanding about the Messiah having to die for the sins of the world. Once he did, after the Resurrection and Pentecost, then he was a bold and fearless leader, eventually being martyred by being crucified upside down.<\/p>\n<p>We could have a field day pointing out the many sins of <em>anyone<\/em> before they committed themselves to Jesus as a disciple. We need only look as far as St. Paul, for starters. He recalled later in his life: \u201cI persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to prison both men and women,\u201d (Acts 22:4; cf. 9:4; 22:7; 26:11, 14; Gal 1:13, 23; 1 Tim 1:13). He lamented his own past: \u201cI am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God\u201d (1 Cor 15:9); \u201cI am the foremost of sinners\u201d (1 Tim 1:15).<\/p>\n<p>But here\u2019s the <em>point<\/em>, and it applies to both Paul and Peter. Paul wrote: \u201cI received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief\u201d (1 Tim 1:13). If we\u2019re gonna run down the past sins of apostles, then we should apply this \u201cindignation\u201d equally to Paul. After all, it takes a lot more sinful will to decide to persecute Christians and kill them for the crime of believing that Jesus was Lord and Messiah, than to lose courage in a <em>moment<\/em> of fear for one\u2019s life, and deny Jesus as a result.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 7.<\/strong> It was not only Peter who had the power to \u201cbind or loose\u201d, for this authority was given by Christ to all the disciples (Mt.18:18). Again, Peter appears in the same condition of equality with the other apostles, being that they were invested with the same authority as him! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is being given the same authority only <em>insofar<\/em> as they all could impose penances or forgive sins (grant absolution); that is, exercise \u201cbinding and loosing.\u201d Every priest and bishop today can do that. It doesn\u2019t make them equal to the pope in authority (or all of the disciples equal to Peter in office). This is some sort of logical fallacy for sure, but I\u2019m too lazy to look it up. But in any event, <em>Peter <strong>alone<\/strong><\/em> was given the \u201ckeys of the kingdom\u201d and this has implications of having a singular office of great authority. Protestant commentators note:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The keys are the symbol of authority, and Roland de Vaux (<em>Ancient Israel<\/em>, tr. by John McHugh [New York: McGraw-Hill, 1961], 129 ff.) rightly sees here the same authority as that vested in the vizier, the master of the house, the chamberlain of the royal household in ancient Israel. (W. F. Albright and C. S. Mann, <em>The Anchor Bible: Matthew<\/em>, [Garden City, New York: Doubleday, 1971], 196)<\/p>\n<p>This verse [Mat 16:19] therefore probably refers primarily to a legislative authority in the church . . .<\/p>\n<p>The image of keys (plural) perhaps suggests not so much the porter, who controls admission to the house, as the steward, who regulates its administration (Is 22:22, in conjunction with 22:15). (Craig S. Keener, <em>The IVP Bible Background Commentary New Testament<\/em> [Downer\u2019s Grove, Illinois: Intervarsity Press, 1993], 90, 256)<\/p>\n<p>The keys of the kingdom would be comitted to the chief steward in the royal household and with them goes plenary authority. (George Buttrick et al, editors, <em>The Interpreter\u2019s Bible<\/em> [New York: Abingdon, 1951], 453)<\/p>\n<p>The authority of Peter is to be over the Church, and this authority is represented by the keys. (S. T. Lachs, <em>A Rabbinic Commentary on the New Testament: The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke<\/em> [Hoboken, New Jersey: Ktav, 1987], 256)<\/p>\n<p>Peter\u2019s \u2018power of the keys\u2019 declared in [Matthew] 16:19 is . . . that of the steward . . . . whose keys of office enable him to regulate the affairs of the household. (R. T. France, <em>Matthew: Evangelist and Teacher<\/em> [Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan, 1989], 247)<\/p>\n<p>The \u2018kingdom of heaven\u2019 is represented by authoritative teaching, the promulgation of authoritative Halakha that lets heaven\u2019s power rule in earthly things . . . . Peter\u2019s role as holder of the keys is fulfilled now, on earth, as chief teacher of the church. (M. Eugene Boring, <em>Matthew<\/em>, in Pheme Perkins et al, editors, <em>The New Interpreter\u2019s Bible<\/em>, vol. 8 [Nashville, Tennessee: Abingdon Press, 1995], 346)<\/p>\n<p>Just as in Isaiah 22:22 the Lord lays the keys of the house of David on the shoulders of his servant Eliakim, so Jesus commits to Peter the keys of his house, the Kingdom of Heaven, and thereby installs him as administrator of the house. (Oscar Cullman, <em>Peter: Disciple, Apostle, Martyr<\/em>, translated by Floyd V. Filson [Philadelphia: Westminster, 1953], 203)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 8.<\/strong> Peter lacked spiritual insight into the meaning of the parable (Mt.15:15), as did the multitude. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. <em>Non sequitur<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 9. <\/strong>Peter was again rebuked by Jesus for not being able to watch with him even one hour (Mt.26:40). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. <em>Non sequitur<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>10.<\/strong> While Judas was the only disciple who put Jesus to death, Peter was the only disciple who publicly denied Jesus in his death (Mt. 26:69,70). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. <em>Non sequitur<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>11.<\/strong> Peter continued to deny Jesus, even after cursing and swearing (Mt.26:74). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Peter immediately repented upon hearing the cock crow (Mt 26:75; Lk 22:62). His sin and moment of weakness \u2014 due to a rational fear for his life in that terrible circumstance \u2014 literally lasted just a few minutes. But Paul\u2019s sins went on for some time, and he was so stubborn that he had to be knocked to the ground and more or less forced to convert to Christ. We need to keep things in perspective.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 12.<\/strong> Once again the disciples had argued among themselves as to which was the greatest (Mk.9:33,34 and Mk.10:41,42). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Not <em>all<\/em> of them: only James and John. See my reply to #1.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Both times, Jesus never points to Peter as this leader, as Catholics bluntly do. On the contrary, he confirms that this would not happen between them (Mk.10:43).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Already answered in my reply to #1. Again, Jesus said in Mark 10:43: \u201cwhoever would be great among you must be your servant\u201d. That no more rules out a pope who is a servant of all than it does God the Son, Who served all (\u201cthe Son of man came not to be served but to serve\u201d: Mt 20:28; cf. Mk 10:45; \u201cIf I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another\u2019s feet\u201d: Jn 13:14). It doesn\u2019t rule out bishops in the Church, which are expressly mentioned in the Bible (Phil 1:1; 1 Tim 3:1-2; Titus 1:7; \u201coffice\u201d in Acts 1:20 is also <em>episkopos<\/em>). Nor does it rule out a \u201cbishop of bishops.\u201d This is very poor argumentation and exegesis.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>13.<\/strong> Peter continued to demonstrate his fallibility, asking Jesus to depart from him (Luke 5:8), confessing that he was \u201ca sinful man\u201d (Luke 5:8). He did not stand out for being more holy or righteous than the others! Note the contrast to another disciple, Nathanael, in John 1:45.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. <em>Non sequitur<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>14.<\/strong> According to John\u2019s account, Andrew was the first disciple to follow Jesus, not Peter (Jn.1:40,41). Peter only followed him after Andrew called him (Jn.1:41).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>So <em>what<\/em>? What does the order of being called have to do with <em>anything<\/em>? Paul was called so late that he didn\u2019t even meet Jesus during His earthly life. Once the twelve were all called and in place as disciples, Peter was clearly their leader. It\u2019s so clear that most Protestants don\u2019t deny it. They simply deny that he was pope, or more specifically, that there was papal succession (i.e., a continuance of the office begun by Peter).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>15.<\/strong> The greatest praise of character found in Christ\u2019s words is not directed to Peter, but to Nathanael\u2014a \u201ctrue Israelite, in whom there is no falsehood\u201d (John 1:45).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. <em>Non sequitur<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>16.<\/strong> Although it is often Peter who goes ahead in answering Christ\u2019s questions, at other times it is not him. For example, in John 11:26 this role is occupied in the person of Thomas, encouraging all the other disciples to go to death for Christ (John 11:16).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This doesn\u2019t defeat my argument, which was: \u201cPeter is often spokesman for the other apostles\u201d (#35). The argument is what it is. Being the spokesman \u201coften\u201d shows that the NT is indicating his leadership: in this one way along with forty-nine others.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>17.<\/strong> When the Greeks wanted to address Jesus, they did not go looking for the \u201cleader\u201d Peter as \u201cthe mouth of the apostles\u201d to communicate Jesus. On the contrary, they preferred to address Philip (Jn.12:20). Curiously, he also did not bother to go to the \u201cleader\u201d Peter, but to Andrew (Jn.12:22). Nor was he concerned to transmit to the \u201cleader\u201d Peter, but he brought the message to Jesus (Jn.12:22). Again, any authority of Peter over the other disciples is unknown!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>It doesn\u2019t necessarily mean anything. They simply wanted to see Jesus, saw one of His disciples, and asked him to lead them to Jesus. Philip didn\u2019t have to go to Peter to figure out where Jesus was. Andrew was probably simply close at hand, so Philip may have asked him something like, \u201chey these guys want to see Jesus, do you think it\u2019s <em>okay<\/em>?\u201d I don\u2019t see that Peter had to be involved every time someone wants to see Jesus. This is irrelevant, as to His leadership.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>18.<\/strong> Jesus said that \u201cno one sent is greater than the one who sent him\u201d (Jn.13:16). Interestingly, it was not Peter who sent the missionaries of the church, but he himself who received orders from the others and was sent by the apostles: \u201cThe apostles in Jerusalem, hearing that Samaria had accepted the word of God, sent Peter and John there\u201d( Acts 8:14). Therefore, according to Christ\u2019s rules (\u201cthe one sent is not greater than the one who sent him\u201d), Peter could only be, at most, on an equal footing with the other apostles. Exactly what all the evidence points to!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This doesn\u2019t follow. Jesus made a proverbial-type statement that doesn\u2019t apply literally to every particular that includes the same word, \u201csent.\u201d Being commissioned or sent doesn\u2019t mean that the one sent is equal or lesser than the ones sending him. If so, then Paul would be no more important or significant than \u201celders\u201d at the council of Jerusalem who sent him to Antioch (Acts 15:22, 25).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>19.<\/strong> It was not Peter \u201cthe disciple whom Jesus loved\u201d, but John (John 13:26).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is plain silly. Virtually all conservative Bible commentators agree that this description was John referring to himself in his Gospel, and \u2014 in humility \u2014 not naming himself or saying \u201cI\u201d. The phrase only appears in John, four times (13:23; 20:2; 21:7, 20; cf. \u201cthe other disciple\u201d: 20:2-4, 8). It means nothing more than that and doesn\u2019t imply preference or favoritism. In the same book, Jesus stated to the <em>collective<\/em> of the disciples that He \u201cloved\u201d <em>all<\/em> of them (Jn 13:34; 15:12).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>20.<\/strong> It was not Peter who reclined in Jesus\u2019 bosom, but John (Jn.13:26; Jn.13:25). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>So what? John happened to be able to sit next to Jesus at the Last Supper. Peter may have been on Jesus\u2019 <em>other<\/em> side, for all we know. But this proves nothing, either way.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 21.<\/strong> Jesus denies the truth of Peter\u2019s statement in John 13:37. In addition, it predicts its denials that would occur in the sequence (Jn.13:37,38). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. <em>Non sequitur<\/em>. But of course, later on, Peter <em>did<\/em> lay his life down for Jesus, and was crucified upside down. So Jesus predicted that Peter wouldn\u2019t lay down his life for Jesus right before the crucifixion, but he <em>also<\/em> predicted his later martyrdom:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>John 21:18-19<\/strong> Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you would; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go.\u201d [19] (This he said to show by what death he was to glorify God.) . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 22.<\/strong> It is Thomas who asks for guidance on the Way (Jn.14:5), leading Christ to make the emphatic statement known from John 14:6, that he was \u201cthe way, the truth and the life\u201d (Jn.14 :6). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>So Thomas asked a question: big wow! How does that imply that he was the leader of the disciples?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 23.<\/strong> It is Philip who asked Jesus to reveal the Father (Jn.14:8). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See the previous reply.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 24.<\/strong> It is Judas (not the Iscariot) who asks about the manifestation of Christ in our lives (Jn.14:22). Again we see that Peter was far from being one-on-one among all the times that someone takes the floor! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s irrelevant. I said that Peter \u201coften\u201d took the lead; not always. And that is significant. It doesn\u2019t <em>have<\/em> to be 100% \/ every time \/ no exceptions, for it to have force as an argument, <em>together with 49 other ones<\/em>: all pointing in the same direction.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 25.<\/strong> Jesus entrusted his mother, Mary, to the care of the beloved disciple, John, and not to Peter (Jn.19:26,27). This must sound even stronger for Catholics, who elevate Mary\u2019s titles to the highest levels, considering her \u201cmother of the Church\u201d. Therefore, according to the same logic, it was John who took care of the \u201cmother of the Church\u201d, not Peter! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Again, this simply has no bearing on whether Peter was leader and pope or not. Jesus probably chose John for this because he was the only disciple there at the cross, with Mary, and Jesus wanted to say such a thing to Mary (and John) in person.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 26.<\/strong> Peter does not appear at the foot of the cross, like the apostle John, and some women described in John 19:25, who persevered to the end for Christ\u2019s sake and did not give up following him even at the foot of the cross! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>See my answer to #4. <em>Non sequitur<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 27.<\/strong> The first of the disciples to arrive at the tomb was John, not Peter (Jn.20:4). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>So what? All this means is that he could run faster. What does that have to do with being pope? All popes have to be the fastest runners at the Olympics? What\u2019s interesting here is how John <em>acted<\/em> when he got there first. He didn\u2019t go <em>in<\/em> the tomb. He waited for Peter, who <em>did<\/em> go in (Jn 20:5-8). After Peter did that, John followed. It seems pretty clear that this is deference to a leader.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 28.<\/strong> It was not Peter alone who ordained the elders, but all the twelve, gathering all the disciples together (Acts 6:2).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>29.<\/strong> Peter did not take it upon himself to choose the \u201cseven men of good testimony\u201d ([Acts].6:3,4), but the apostles in common agreement said to \u201cchoose among you\u201d (v.3) the men who should be selected. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[note: Lucas\u2019 original mistakenly had John 6:3-4 as the cited verse]<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Ordination isn\u2019t the function of the pope alone. This doesn\u2019t prove Peter wasn\u2019t pope or a \u201cproto-pope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>30.<\/strong> Years later, Peter once again continued to demonstrate his reliability, now also in doctrinal aspects, considering certain foods as \u201can unclean and profane thing\u201d (Acts 10:15), when Jesus himself had \u201cdeclared all foods clean\u201d (Mark 7:19)! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>In Mark 7:19, it\u2019s the author, Mark, who made the statement, \u201cThus he declared all foods clean\u201d. This wasn\u2019t stated in explicit terms by Jesus to the hearers, and so the dietary laws didn\u2019t formally change yet. Therefore, Jewish Christians continued to follow the Mosaic dietary laws until the council of Jerusalem, which declared: \u201cFor it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity . . (15:28-29).<\/p>\n<p>It was Peter leading, but in conjunction with the apostles and elders (precisely like popes and bishops in ecumenical councils) declaring the official change regarding dietary laws, with the express consent of the Holy Spirit. Peter had received the vision from God in Acts 10, that was actually followed by the Council. We don\u2019t even have the recorded words of Paul at this council, and he went out loyally proclaiming its \u201cPeter-originated and recommended\u201d decision on his missionary journeys (Acts 16:4).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 31.<\/strong> Peter equaled Cornelius, placing himself in the same position as a man, not \u201cabove\u201d him (Acts 10:25,26). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes; <em>as human beings<\/em>, because Cornelius \u201cfell down at his feet and worshiped him\u201d (10:25). Peter pointing out that he was a man like Cornelius and not to be worshiped has no relevance to whether he was pope. No pope (being a man) should be worshiped, either. This is the dumbest and most laughable objection so far. Pathetic . . .<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 32<\/strong>. Peter rejected the act of prostrating themselves before him (Ac.10:25,26). Popes, on the other hand, accept all types of people who constantly prostrate themselves at their feet and kiss their hands! What a difference between Peter and the popes! While Peter set an example for Christians to follow, the popes (usurping Peter\u2019s place) accept any and all \u201creverence\u201d that Peter never accepted! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is equally ridiculous. Popes accept acts of veneration, not worship, precisely as occurs in Scripture itself:<\/p>\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5e7od-0-0\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.eliyah.com\/cgi-bin\/strongs.cgi?file=hebrewlexicon&amp;isindex=7812\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Strong\u2019s Hebrew Lexicon<\/em>\u00a0<\/a>describes word #7812:\u00a0<em>shachah<\/em>\u00a0as \u201c. . . prostrate (especially reflexive, in homage to royalty or God):\u2013bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.\u201d\u00a0[<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.blueletterbible.org\/lang\/lexicon\/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7812&amp;t=KJV\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">see all of the numerous OT instances of its use<\/a>]<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5e7od-0-0\">*<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5e7od-0-0\">It\u2019s translated in the following manner\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.blueletterbible.org\/lang\/lexicon\/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7812&amp;t=KJV\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">in the KJV<\/a>:\u00a0<em>worship<\/em>\u00a0(99x),\u00a0<em>bow<\/em>\u00a0(31x),\u00a0<em>bow down<\/em>\u00a0(18x),\u00a0<em>obeisance<\/em>\u00a0(9x),\u00a0<em>reverence<\/em>\u00a0(5x),\u00a0<em>fall down<\/em>\u00a0(3x),\u00a0<em>themselves<\/em>\u00a0(2x),\u00a0<em>stoop<\/em>\u00a0(1x),\u00a0<em>crouch<\/em>\u00a0(1x),\u00a0<em>miscellaneous<\/em>\u00a0(3x). It mostly means bowing down to God in worship (adoration), but also not infrequently means bowing down before superiors or angels in homage or veneration. There are many biblical examples of this:<\/div>\n<div data-offset-key=\"5e7od-0-0\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5e7od-0-0\"><strong>1 Chronicles 29:20<\/strong> Then David said to all the assembly, \u201cBless the LORD your God.\u201d And all the assembly blessed the LORD, the God of their fathers, and\u00a0<strong><em>bowed their heads<\/em><\/strong>, and\u00a0<em>worshiped<\/em>\u00a0[<em>shachah<\/em>] the LORD, and did\u00a0<strong><em>obeisance<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0[<em>shachah<\/em>] to the king.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Genesis 27:29<\/strong>\u00a0Let peoples serve you,\u00a0and\u00a0nations\u00a0<strong><em>bow down<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0[<em>shachah<\/em>] \u00a0to you.\u00a0Be lord over your brothers,\u00a0and may your\u00a0mother\u2019s sons\u00a0<strong><em>bow down<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0[<em>shachah<\/em>] to you. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is Isaac\u2019s blessing of Jacob.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Genesis 42:6<\/strong>\u00a0Now Joseph was governor over the land; he it was who sold to all the people of the land. And Joseph\u2019s brothers came, and\u00a0<strong><em>bowed themselves\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>[<em>shachah<\/em>] before him\u00a0with their faces to the ground.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>King Nebuchadnezzar \u201c<em>fell upon his face, and did homage<\/em> to Daniel\u201d (Dan 2:46; cf. 8:17). The Philippian jailer \u201c<em>fell down before<\/em> Paul and Silas\u201d (Acts 16:29).\u00a0Men (apostles) are venerated in the New Testament.\u00a0The Greek for \u201cfell down before\u201d in Acts 16:29 is\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.blueletterbible.org\/lang\/lexicon\/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4363&amp;t=KJV\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>prospipto<\/i>\u00a0(Strong\u2019s word #4363)<\/a>.\u00a0It is also used of worship towards Jesus in five passages (Mk 3:11; 5:33; 7:25; Lk 8:28, 47). So why didn\u2019t Paul and Silas rebuke the jailer? I submit that it was because they perceived his act as one of\u00a0<i>veneration<\/i>\u00a0(which is permitted) as opposed to\u00a0<i>adoration<\/i>\u00a0or\u00a0<i>worship<\/i>, which is not permitted to be directed towards creatures. Note that the word \u201cworship\u201d doesn\u2019t appear in the above five passages, nor in Luke 24:5 or Acts 16:29. When \u201cworship\u201d\u00a0 [<i>proskuneo<\/i>]\u00a0<i>does<\/i>\u00a0appear in connection with a man or angel, it\u00a0<i>isn\u2019t permitted<\/i>, as in Acts 10:25-26 (St. Peter and Cornelius).<\/p>\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5e7od-0-0\">\n<p>Thus, we see the same in Revelation 19:10 and 22:8-9, because St. John mistakenly thought the angel was Jesus, and so tried to worship \/ adore the angel. The same thing happened when men thought that Paul and Barnabas were Zeus and Hermes and \u201cwanted to offer sacrifice.\u201d They were rebuked, as mistaken (Acts 14:11-18).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Is all that idolatry, according to the prohibitions of \u201cbowing down\u201d (Ex 20:5; Lev 26:1; Dt 5:8-9; and Mic 5:13). No. All of those passages are strictly about conscious\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/06\/graven-images-unbiblical-iconoclasm-vs-john-calvin.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cgraven image\u201d<\/a>\u00a0idols, meant to replace God. One mustn\u2019t bow to them. But this is obviously not a prohibition of all bowing and veneration, or else the passages above would be presented in the Bible with disapproval (there is not the slightest hint of of that).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>33.<\/strong> It was not the church at Rome that sent Paul and Barnabas to Antioch (remember again John 13:16), but the \u201cchurch in Jerusalem\u201d (Acts 11:22). Taking into account the Catholic argument that Peter was bishop of Rome, and the assumption that Rome (like Peter) exercised primacy over other local communities, this fact points much more to the supremacy of the church in Jerusalem, further overturning this myth. Catholic. Of two, one: Either Rome was not greater than Jerusalem (and therefore Peter was not greater than James or the bishop who ran the church in Jerusalem), or Peter was not bishop in Rome! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>This was only one point of time, and fairly early on. Jerusalem was the focus of attention at first; hence, the council of Jerusalem (led by Peter) was an event carrying sublime authority. That will change drastically after Jerusalem is sacked and destroyed by the Romans, not long after, in 70 AD. Most historians agree that Peter eventually resided in Rome and was killed there. Not all think he was the first Roman bishop, but that usually depends on one\u2019s theological and ecclesiological beliefs. Commissioning \/ sending or ordaining people was usually done on the local level in the early days. None of this should surprise us, and certainly none of it has relevance to Peter\u2019s office.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 34.<\/strong> It was not Peter who sent his \u201csubjects\u201d, but he himself received orders and instructions from others (Acts 8:14). He was sent in the same way as Barnabas (Acts 11:22) and then Judas and Silas (Acts 15:22), who are sent later. There is no indication that Peter is solely responsible for things or a kind of \u201cmandatory\u201d of the Church! If Peter were the leader of the church, how could he himself be sent to Samaria with John by the church, instead of him being at the head of sending missionaries?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is the same fallacy, repeated. Being \u201csent\u201d is no big deal. Several times elders of a local church \u201csent\u201d apostles. This was true both with Peter and Paul. Lucas is wrongly assuming all these things, and then shooting them down, as if they have any relevance to our present topic. They do <em>not<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 35.<\/strong> Peter was not the only one who had the \u201ckeys\u201d, for Paul and Barnabas \u201copened the door of faith to the Gentiles\u201d (Acts 24:27), all the apostles had the authority of the keys to \u201cbind and loose\u201d in Matthew 18:18, and the Pharisees themselves held it, but did not use it correctly (Luke 11:52).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u201cKeys of the kingdom\u201d was a technical term, referring back to Isaiah 22 (as many Protestant commentators agree). They were <em><strong>only<\/strong> given to <strong>Peter<\/strong><\/em>. Acts 24:27 has nothing to do with that. Nor was it applied to the other disciples in Matthew 18:18 because the privileges of the key-bearer were more extensive and exclusive than the powers of \u201cbinding and loosing\u201d, as I alluded to above.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>36.<\/strong> The greatest Council of the early Church was not held in Rome, but in Jerusalem (Acts 15:2). If Rome was the seat of Peter, and Peter was the \u201cprince of the apostles\u201d, then logically it should be the most suitable place to be the seat of such a Council. The fact that this only took place in Jerusalem shows us that either Peter was never in Rome as pope, or else he did not in fact have any authority at a higher level than the other apostles. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Jesus concentrated on the Jews first, then intended for His Church to reach out to the Gentiles. Everything began in Galilee and Jerusalem, so that\u2019s why the council was there. But Jerusalem was soon to be almost utterly destroyed, so by necessity, the \u201ccenter\u201d would have to be somewhere else. It made sense in God\u2019s providence to make this location the seat of the Roman Empire.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 37.<\/strong> Paul and Barnabas went to deal with this matter with \u201cthe apostles and elders\u201d (Acts 15:2), not with Peter in a singular sense. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>It was the model of the later ecumenical councils: apostles and elders (later, bishops), presided over by the pope. It perfectly anticipates later Catholic history and ecclesiology.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 38.<\/strong> Peter was not the one who opened the Council, nor the one who closed it, not even the one who had the most important word! <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 39.<\/strong> It was not Peter who first rose to settle the matter with his \u201cgift of infallibility\u201d, for he only said something \u201cafter much discussion\u201d (Acts 15:7). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 40.<\/strong> Peter, when speaking, did not declare himself as \u201cpope\u201d, nor as exercising primacy over others, nor as the only one who had infallibility. On the contrary, he only emphasizes his ministry among the Gentiles (Acts.15:7) in terms of his various missionary journeys (Acts.9) through Samaria (Acts.8:25), Lydda (Acts.9:32), Caesarea (Ac.10:1), Joppa (Ac.10:5), Antioch (Gal.2;11). He does not claim to be a \u201cuniversal bishop\u201d, but only points out a missionary ministry among the Gentiles! <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 41.<\/strong> It was the \u201capostles and elders\u201d (Acts 15:6) who dealt with this matter. Again, Peter\u2019s sole supremacy is unknown! <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 42.<\/strong> It was James who presided over the Council of Jerusalem. The entire letter sent to the Gentiles was based entirely on the words of James, not Peter (Acts 15:19-21). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>The text doesn\u2019t really say who \u201copened\u201d it. But it\u2019s nothing unusual for bishops \/ elders to vote on such matters. That\u2019s how it was with recent papal declarations that were infallible. Bishops were heavily consulted, since the pope wanted to act in concert with them. So either that happened here, or the elders \/ apostles as a group decided to call the council.<\/p>\n<p>Peter (in the presence of Paul, James, and other apostles) was the first speaker who was <em>named<\/em>, and one of only two persons who had their words <em>recorded<\/em>. Peter didn\u2019t have to declare himself the pope. He noted how he was in the forefront of the issue being discussed: \u201cGod made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe\u201d (15:7) and recommended loosening the Mosaic law in the case of Gentile converts.<\/p>\n<p>He had been the first to oversee the first Gentile Christians who were baptized (Acts 10:44-48). Peter <em>acted<\/em> with that authority, and everyone knew his background as the leader of the twelve disciples. That\u2019s why Paul went to Jerusalem specifically to see Peter for fifteen days in the beginning of his ministry (Gal 1:18).<\/p>\n<p>After Peter spoke (15:7-11), no one disagreed with him (\u201cAnd all the assembly kept silence\u201d: 15:12). Then after Barnabas and Paul gave their unrecorded report, James, the local bishop (who appears to preside over the council\u2019s proceedings because of that), refers back to Peter\u2019s words\u00a0 (15:14), backs them up with Old Testament Scripture (15:15-18) and then suggests a particular application of Peter\u2019s words (15:20), which was followed in the conciliar decision (15:28-29).<\/p>\n<p>We certainly wouldn\u2019t <em>expect<\/em> to see a full-blown papacy at this very early stage, because the doctrine developed, just as every other one did (all taking hundreds of years) \u2014 it was the same with bishops and the canon of the Bible and even the Holy Trinity \u2014 , but what we see here is perfectly compatible with the seeds or kernels of the later fully developed papacy.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>43<\/strong>. When James spoke, everyone was silent (Acts 15:13).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>That was actually 15:12, and it was after <em>Peter<\/em> spoke, not James. I thank Lucas for confirming one of my arguments. If he thought it was significant if indeed silence had occurred after James\u2019 speech, then he must think so if it happened after Peter talked (which is the <em>actual<\/em> case). Glad to find a rare agreement!<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>44.<\/strong> It was James who closed the Council, not Peter. When asked about all the fundamental points by which we can identify someone who presides over an assembly, James perfectly fills in all the questions: Who has the final say? James. Who gave the verdict? James. Whose suggestion was decided as the very letter that would be sent to the Gentiles? James! Peter\u2019s role in this Council cannot be remotely compared to the leadership of James! This knocks down Peter\u2019s chances of being pope, for then he would himself preside over the Council, and make use of his \u201cinfallibility\u201d to decide the matter!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Per my argument above, it appears to me that they sort of <em>jointly<\/em> preside or work closely together, at any rate. James spoke last because he was the local host-bishop. Early ecclesiology often can\u2019t be put in a nice little package and wrapped with a bow. All sides tend to project their own views in this area onto the past. It\u2019s best that we all admit this. Hence, I wrote in my book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-biblical.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><em>A Biblical Defense of Catholicism<\/em><\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>As is often the case in theology and practice among the earliest Christians, there is some fluidity and overlapping of these three vocations [bishop, elder, and deacon] (for example, compare Acts 20:17 with 20:28; 1 Timothy 3:1-7 with Titus 1:5-9). But this doesn\u2019t prove that three offices of ministry did not exist. For instance, St. Paul often referred to himself as a deacon or minister (1 Corinthians 3:5, 4:1, 2 Corinthians 3:6, 6:4, 11:23, Ephesians 3:7, Colossians1:23-25), yet no one would assert that he was merely a deacon, and nothing else. Likewise, St. Peter calls himself a fellow elder (1 Peter 5:1), whereas Jesus calls him the rock upon which He would build His Church, and gave him alone the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 16:18-19). These examples are usually indicative of a healthy humility, according to Christ\u2019s injunctions of servanthood (Matthew 23:11-12, Mark 10:43-44). (Appendix Two: \u201c<em>The Visible, Hierarchical, Apostolic Church<\/em>\u201c, 252)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>45.<\/strong> The final opinion was not from Peter, but from the \u201capostles, elders and the whole church\u201d (Acts 15:22) in general. It was they who sent Paul and Barnabas to Antioch (Acts 15:22) with the answer, not Peter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>46. \u200b\u200b<\/strong>Also the letter sent to the Gentiles with the description of the decision taken on the part of the leadership of the Church has nothing to do with any primacy of Peter, nor does it suggest this. He only limits himself to saying that they were \u201cthe brethren apostles and presbyters\u201d (Acts 15:23), without making an average or particular status for Peter as the \u201cultimate leader\u201d of the Church.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Correct on both counts. This is very early, only slightly developed ecclesiology. But it\u2019s still far closer to Catholicism than any form of Protestantism. <em>Sola Scriptura<\/em> doesn\u2019t leave any <em>room<\/em> for an <em>infallible council<\/em>, that reached a decision binding upon all the Christians around, accompanied by the words: \u201cit has seemed good to the <strong><em>Holy Spirit<\/em> <\/strong>and to us\u201d (15:28). That\u2019s Orthodox or Catholic theology, and even in Orthodoxy, they believe in seven ecumenical councils, and then no more occur.<\/p>\n<p>Christians were <em>bound<\/em> to the decision, as we know from Acts 16:4: \u201cAs they [Paul and Silas] went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem.\u201d <em>Sola Scriptura<\/em> simply has no <em>place<\/em> for such a thing, because it holds that only Scripture is infallible and the standard for the rule of faith. The Jerusalem council utterly contradicts that, and is only one of scores of biblical objections to <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>47.<\/strong> Many years later, Paul was still unconcerned about visiting the church in Rome, but he was determined to \u201cmake haste to Jerusalem\u201d (Acts 20:16). If Rome and not Jerusalem were the seat of Christianity, where Peter acted as \u201cpope\u201d, Paul would certainly be in a hurry to get to Rome, not Jerusalem! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Obviously, this was before 70 AD, as explained.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Furthermore, we see that Paul went to Jerusalem to visit James (Acts 21:18). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>This was obviously a \u201cmissions report\u201d having to do with what was decided at the Jerusalem council. James was there because he was the bishop of Jerusalem. Peter would have almost certainly been evangelizing somewhere else. And so the text says: \u201che related one by one the things that God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry\u201d (21:19). This hearkens back to the time right before and during the council:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Acts 14:27<\/strong> And when they arrived, they gathered the church together and declared all that God had done with them, and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 15:3-4<\/strong> So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoeni\u2019cia and Sama\u2019ria, reporting the conversion of the Gentiles, and they gave great joy to all the brethren. [4] When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 15:12<\/strong> . . . and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If Peter were the ultimate authority to which Paul owed allegiance, he would be in a hurry to get to Rome and speak with Peter, a fact in which the Bible is simply silent from beginning to end!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Well, when Paul visited Peter, he was still in <em>Jerusalem<\/em>. But that doesn\u2019t wipe out the fact that he consulted with him to get the \u201cgo ahead\u201d for his ministry and work:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Galatians 1:18-19<\/strong> Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with him fifteen days.\u00a0[19] But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord\u2019s brother. (cf. 2:9: \u201cand when they perceived the grace that was given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised\u201d)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>48.<\/strong> When Peter was released from prison, he told them to report this to James (Acts 12:17), who evidently should have been the first to hear about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>As the local bishop, yes, that would be perfectly logical. He left word before he went out of town (21:18: \u201che departed and went to another place\u201d).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>49.<\/strong> It is not Peter who is indicated as being \u201cthe leader of the sect of the Nazarenes\u201d (Acts 24:5), but Paul.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>My RSV Bible says \u201c<em>a<\/em> ringleader\u201d as opposed to \u201c<em>the<\/em> ringleader.\u201d How much difference one little word makes! I\u2019ve found only <em>one<\/em> out of about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/verse\/en\/Acts%2024:5\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">60 English translations of Acts 24:5<\/a> that has \u201c<em>the<\/em> ringleader.\u201d So this hardly bolsters Lucas\u2019 case that Paul was regarded as the top leader by Anani\u2019as\u2019 \u201cspokesman, one Tertul\u2019lus\u201d (24:1). \u201cNice try, but no cigar\u201d: as we say in English.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>50.<\/strong> Peter is not appointed as the only pillar of the Church, but shares the place with others (Gal.2:9).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In Galatians 2:9, where Peter (\u201cCephas\u201d) is listed after James and before John, he is clearly preeminent in the entire context (e.g., 1:18-19; 2:7-8).\u00a0In ten places in the New Testament (RSV), Peter is listed first whenever he is mentioned along with James and John, and sometimes, in addition to them, other disciples as well:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 10:2<\/strong>\u00a0The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zeb\u2019edee, and John his brother;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 17:1<\/strong>\u00a0And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain apart.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mark 5:37<\/strong>\u00a0And he allowed no one to follow him except Peter and James and John the brother of James.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mark 9:2<\/strong>\u00a0And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John, and led them up a high mountain apart by themselves; and he was transfigured before them,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mark 13:3<\/strong>\u00a0And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mark 14:33<\/strong>\u00a0And he took with him Peter and James and John, and began to be greatly distressed and troubled.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 6:14<\/strong>\u00a0Simon, whom he named Peter, and Andrew his brother, and James and John, and Philip, and Bartholomew,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 8:51<\/strong>\u00a0And when he came to the house, he permitted no one to enter with him, except Peter and John and James, and the father and mother of the child.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 9:28<\/strong>\u00a0Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 1:13<\/strong>\u00a0and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Galatians 2:9 is an exception: \u201cJames and Cephas and John\u201d. I would guess it is because James was the bishop of Jerusalem. Even so, in the preceding verses (2:7-8) and ones after (2:11-14), only Peter is referred to. Many Protestant commentaries agree about why James was listed first:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/jfb\/galatians\/2.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary<\/em><\/a>\u00a0James\u2014placed first in the oldest manuscripts, even before Peter, as being bishop of Jerusalem, and so presiding at the council (Ac 15:1-29).<\/p>\n<p><em><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/egt\/galatians\/2.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Expositor\u2019s Greek Testament<\/a><\/em> This was probably because as permanent head of the local Church he presided at meetings (<span class=\"ital\">cf.<\/span>\u00a0Acts 21:18).<\/p>\n<p><em><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/cambridge\/galatians\/2.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges<\/a><\/em>\u00a0James . . .\u00a0is named first, because the reference is to a special act of the Church in Jerusalem, of which he was president or Bishop. \u201cWhen St Paul is speaking of the\u00a0<span class=\"ital\">missionary<\/span>\u00a0office of the Church at large, St Peter holds the foremost place\u201d. Lightfoot. Compare\u00a0<span class=\"ital\">Galatians 2:7-8<\/span>\u00a0with\u00a0Acts 12:17;\u00a0Acts 15:13;\u00a0Acts 21:18.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/bengel\/galatians\/2.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Bengel\u2019s Gnomen<\/em><\/a>\u00a0J<span class=\"ital\">ames . . .<\/span>\u00a0is put here first, because he mostly remained at Jerusalem, . . .<\/p>\n<p><em><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/pulpit\/galatians\/2.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pulpit Commentary<\/a><\/em>\u00a0James . . . is named first, before even Cephas and John, though not an apostle, as being the leading \u201celder\u201d (<span class=\"accented\">bishop<\/span>, as such a functionary soon got to be designated) of the Church of Jerusalem; . . .<\/p>\n<p><em><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/ellicott\/galatians\/2.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ellicott\u2019s Commentary for English Readers<\/a><\/em>\u00a0The way in which St. Paul speaks respectively of St. Peter and St. James is in strict accordance with the historical situation. When he is speaking of the general work of the Church (as in the last two verses) St. Peter is mentioned prominently; when the reference is to a public act of the Church of Jerusalem the precedence is given to St. James.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This relative trifle (which can be easily explained) doesn\u2019t overcome the mountain of evidence I have compiled as to the primacy of Peter.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">END OF PART ONE<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-ii.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Go to Part Two (#51-100)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iii.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Go to Part Three (#101-150)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iv.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Go to Part Four (#151-205)<\/a><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Practical Matters<\/em><\/strong>: Perhaps some of my 4,000+ free online articles (the most comprehensive \u201cone-stop\u201d Catholic apologetics site) or\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">fifty books<\/a>\u00a0have helped you (by God\u2019s grace) to decide to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">become Catholic<\/a>\u00a0or to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">return to the Church<\/a>,\u00a0or better understand some doctrines and\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/02\/the-biblical-basis-of-apologetics-defense-of-christianity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>why<\/em>\u00a0we believe them<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you may believe my work is worthy to support for the purpose of apologetics and evangelism in general. 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To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0from the bottom of my heart!<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Detail of\u00a0<em>Christ Handing the Keys to St. Peter<\/em>\u00a0(1481-82) by\u00a0Pietro Perugino\u00a0(1448-1523)<\/span>\u00a0[public domain \/\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Gesupietrochiave.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: Brazilian Protestant apologist Lucas Banzoli takes on my \u201c50 NT Proofs for Petrine Primacy\u201d, with 205 potshots at St. Peter &amp; his primacy. This is Part 1 of my replies.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lucas Banzoli is a very active Brazilian anti-Catholic polemicist, who holds to basically a Seventh-Day Adventist theology, whereby there is no such thing as a soul that consciously exists outside of a body, and no hell (soul sleep and annihilationism). 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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