{"id":64590,"date":"2022-05-30T09:54:13","date_gmt":"2022-05-30T13:54:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=64590"},"modified":"2026-03-19T11:20:57","modified_gmt":"2026-03-19T15:20:57","slug":"lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iii.html","title":{"rendered":"Lucas Banzoli\u2019s 205 \u201cPetrine Potshots\u201d, Part III"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/05\/PeterKeys2b.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-64512\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/05\/PeterKeys2b-300x287.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"287\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lucasbanzoli.com\/2015\/07\/artigos-sobre-catolicismo.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Lucas Banzoli<\/a> is a very active Brazilian anti-Catholic polemicist, who holds to basically a Seventh-Day Adventist theology, whereby there is no such thing as a soul that consciously exists outside of a body, and no hell (soul sleep and annihilationism). This leads him to a Christology which is deficient and heterodox in terms of Christ\u2019s human nature after His death.\u00a0He has a Master\u2019s degree in theology, a degree and postgraduate work in history, a license in letters, and is a history teacher, author of 25 books, as well as blogmaster (but now inactive) for six blogs. He\u2019s <a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/LucasBanzoli\/videos?app=desktop\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">active on YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">The words of Lucas Banzoli will be in\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>. I used\u00a0<em>Google Translate<\/em>\u00a0to transfer his Portugese text into English.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">See other installments:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/reply-to-lucas-banzolis-205-potshots-at-st-peter-part-i.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Part One: \u201cDisproofs\u201d #1-50<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-ii.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Part Two: \u201cDisproofs\u201d #51-100<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iv.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Part Four: \u201cDisproofs\u201d #151-205<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<\/p>\n<p>Continuing response to his article,<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/lucasbanzoli.no.comunidades.net\/205-provas-contra-o-primado-de-pedro\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u00a0\u201c205 Provas Contra O Primado de Pedro\u201d<\/a>\u00a0(no date) [<span class=\"goog-text-highlight\"><em>205 Proofs Against the Primacy of Peter<\/em>]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>101.<\/strong> Paul used the authority of the name of Jesus Christ to cast out an evil spirit, which went out immediately (Acts 16:18). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>All twelve disciples had that power (Lk 9:1). So did the seventy evangelists appointed by Jesus (Lk 10:17, 20).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 102.<\/strong> The seven sons of the head of the Jewish synagogue rebuked evil spirits on the basis of \u201cJesus whom Paul preaches\u201d (Acts 19:13). At no time is Peter indicated by them or anyone else as sufficient authority to repel demons. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>We know that he did from Luke 9:1: written by Luke: the author of Acts, too.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 103.<\/strong> There were two people in the Christian faith who, as important as they were, made themselves \u201cknown\u201d by name even by the devil, who insisted on highlighting them. They are: (1) Jesus; (2) Paul (Acts 19:15). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>The demons mentioned Paul because his name had already been invoked by the Jewish exorcists (Acts 19:13).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 104.<\/strong> God intervenes on Paul\u2019s behalf with violent earthquakes to the point of shaking the foundations of a prison (Acts 16:22-26). At no other time in the New Testament does God intervene in nature in such a way on behalf of a servant of his. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>There was no earthquake, but an angel got St. Peter out of prison, too (Acts 12:7-11). So only St. Paul got an \u201cearthquake intervention.\u201d But how does that prove that he is more so a papal figure (if there is one) than St. Peter? It simply doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 105.<\/strong> Paul was in charge of the baptism of the jailer and his entire family (Acts 16:33). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Great. In what way is that relevant to this discussion?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 106.<\/strong> Paul is the apostle who baptized the most people recorded in the Bible (Acts 16:33; 1 Cor 1:16; Acts 19:5; Acts 18:8, etc.). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>So that\u2019s the Philippian jailer and his family, Crispus, the ruler of a synagogue, \u201csome disciples\u201d of John the Baptist, Crispus, Ga\u2019ius,<br>\nand the household of Steph\u2019anas. St. Peter was responsible for 3,000 baptisms in one day (Acts 2:38-41), as well as Cornelius with \u201chis kinsmen and close friends\u201d (Acts 10:24, 45-48).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 107.<\/strong> Paul was officially a Roman citizen, who had numerous privileges at that time (Acts 16:38). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>And this is relevant how?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 108.<\/strong> Paul was at the forefront of encouraging the disciples in the faith. It was he who met the brothers in Thyatira, and encouraged them to continue in the walk of faith (Acts 16:40). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Of course he did. This doesn\u2019t indicate that he was the first pope.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 109.<\/strong> Paul is the apostle who most often entered Jewish synagogues to debate with Jews (recorded in the Bible). For three consecutive Sabbaths he went to the synagogue to argue with them from the Scriptures (Acts 17:2).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>110.<\/strong> Paul was the only apostle to defend the Christian faith at the famous Areopagus in Athens, of which there is a biblical record (Acts 17:22).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This shows that he was a great debater, evangelist, and debater, but not the pope.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>111.<\/strong> While some apostles like Peter were married (1Co.9:5), \u201cPaul devoted himself exclusively to preaching\u201d (Acts.18:5). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Great. Anyone can choose to do that if they wish, and if God calls them to it.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 112.<\/strong> Paul is the only apostle recorded to have strengthened all the disciples throughout the region of Galatia and Phrygia (Acts 18:23). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 113.<\/strong> Paul \u201cargued convincingly about the Kingdom of God\u201d (Acts 19:8), convincing the Jews that Jesus was the Christ. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 114.<\/strong> There is no record of an apostle more persecuted than Paul. In his words: \u201c\u2026I have worked more than them and I have been in jail more times. I have been whipped far more than they were, and I have often been in danger of death\u201d (2 Cor.11:23). From reading 2 Corinthians 11:23-29 we see his testimony that he was the most persecuted apostle in the history of the early Christian Church (in its early years). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 115.<\/strong> Paul was the only apostle in Church history who preached to \u201call the Jews who lived in the province of Asia\u201d (Acts 19:10). For two years, they all came to hear the word of the Lord through the preaching of this blessed apostle. There is no historical record of any apostle in the history of the Church who has achieved such a wide reach in terms of propagating the faith to the unsaved. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Good for him, and irrelevant to this discussion.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 116.<\/strong> Paul resurrects the young Eutychus (Acts 20:10-12), in yet another great demonstration of God\u2019s power through his life. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Peter raised Tabitha from the dead (Acts 9:36-41).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 117.<\/strong> Paul instructs the pastors, bishops and elders of the Church for three years, never failing to warn each one of them in their Christian walk (Acts 20:31). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Good for him, and irrelevant to this discussion.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 118.<\/strong> All the bishops, pastors and elders made \u201cgreat weeping\u201d for Paul, falling on his neck and kissing him (Acts 20:37). It is probably the greatest display of affection and consideration ever known for an apostle.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This shows he was greatly loved, but not that he was the pope.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>119.<\/strong> God chose Paul from all the ancestors to make the truth known through him (Acts 22:14,15), to see the righteous and to hear the words of his mouth (Acts 22:14,15). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>We would expect that He would so bless the Greatest Evangelist.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 120.<\/strong> He is one of the only ones to receive directly from God the guarantee of \u201cbeing a witness to all men of what he has seen and heard\u201d (Acts 22:15). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Jesus told all the apostles: \u201cyou shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Sama\u2019ria and to the end of the earth\u201d (Acts 1:8).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 121.<\/strong> Paul is the only apostle who claims to have fully fulfilled the will of God, \u201chaving fulfilled my duty to God with all good conscience, until this day\u201d (Acts 23:1). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Jesus prayed that the faith of Peter would not fail (Lk 22:32). And it didn\u2019t (after he repented for having denied Him). He also fulfilled his duty and calling and died as a martyr, being crucified upside down. Peter responded to what Jesus said by saying, \u201cLord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death\u201d (Lk 22:33). He wasn\u2019t ready<em> that<\/em> night, as we all know (and most of us wouldn\u2019t have acted differently in that situation, though we sit in our armchairs looking down our nose at St. Peter), but he was after his repentance, and after having been filled (or re-filled) with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, so that he actually <em>did<\/em> fulfill what he claimed.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 122.<\/strong> Paul begins to defend the authority of his ministry in his epistle to the Galatians. He writes that he went to Judea for the purpose of speaking to those who \u201cseemed most influential\u201d (Gal.2:6). According to Catholicism, this must certainly include Peter. However, he claims that \u201cwhat they were then makes no difference to me\u201d (Gal.2.6)! He would hardly have been so \u201cinsubordinate\u201d to a position above his own, as special as \u201cinfallible\u201d as is \u201cpope\u201d (if there had been such a thing, of course!).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This was the <em>second<\/em> time Paul went to Jerusalem to consult with Peter (and\/or James and John), <em>fourteen years<\/em> (Gal 2:1) after he was already established as an apostle and evangelist. According to the Bible, Peter was the preeminent authority, which is why Paul <em>had<\/em> to, and <em>did<\/em> consult with him, during his <em>first visit<\/em> to receive sanction for his ministry:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Galatians 1:18-19<\/strong>\u00a0Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with him fifteen days.\u00a0[19] But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord\u2019s brother.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, what impression does this passage give, as to the <em>relative importance<\/em> in the church of Peter, James, and John? Yes (my answer, too . . .). But oddly and inexplicably enough, Lucas<em> never mentions Galatians 1:18<\/em> in his entire presentation of 205 disproofs of Petrine primacy (at least if the search engine is correct). I think we should consider and analyze <em>all<\/em> the passages related to Peter and Paul in this discussion. One would think that in the course of 205 points, this key and ultra-relevant verse would be included. But Lucas prefers to ignore some of the Bible passages that don\u2019t agree with his position, and to engage in selective presentation, which is basically setting out half-truths.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 123.<\/strong> Paul asserts that these more influential men \u201cadded me nothing\u201d (Gal.2:6). They had nothing to add to Paul\u2019s life other than what he already knew or already was! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes, because they couldn\u2019t make him more of an apostle than he already <em>was<\/em>. That was established no later than his first visit with Pope St. Peter (Gal 1:18-19).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 124.<\/strong> Paul, in stating more clearly who these \u201cinfluential men\u201d were, does not differentiate Peter from the others, as being the most important. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Galatians 1:18 already showed that. But as I noted, Lucas conveniently skipped over <em>that<\/em> verse. Out of sight, out of mind! Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil . . .<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">On the contrary, he generalizes together with James and John. Nor does he make a point of citing Peter as being the first among them, but he places James as the first pillar of the Church, even ahead of Peter himself (Gal.2:9). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is basically a repeat of #50, that I answered at considerable length in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/reply-to-lucas-banzolis-205-potshots-at-st-peter-part-i.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Part One<\/a>., citing several Protestant commentaries in agreement with me.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 125.<\/strong> Paul affirms that \u201cI had been entrusted with the preaching of the gospel to the uncircumcised, as Peter was entrusted to the circumcised. For God, who worked through Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, also worked through me to the Gentiles\u201d (Gal.2:7,8). One can clearly see the tone of equality between Paul and Peter. He does not place Peter above him, but on an equal footing, in asserting that God has worked in the same way among them, equally, and not disproportionately to the one to the detriment of the other.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Apostles treated each other \u2014 broadly speaking \u2014 as equals, yes. I basically replied to this line of reasoning in my reply to #66 in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-ii.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Part Two<\/a>. Here\u2019s the heart of that rebuttal:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>None of this proves anything, anymore than Paul calling lessers \u201cbrethren\u201d (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=brethren&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">many many times<\/a>) \u201cproves\u201d that they are on the same level as him. Even Jesus called His disciples \u201cfriends\u201d (Jn 15:13-15). Does that mean He isn\u2019t above them? Paul calls Christians \u201cfellow heirs with Christ\u201d (Rom 8:17) and \u201cGod\u2019s fellow workers\u201d (1 Cor 3:9), and he calls other Christians \u201cfellow workers\u201d and \u201cfellow soldiers\u201d and \u201cfellow servants\u201d (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=fellow&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">see the references<\/a>).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Also, we see Jesus saying, \u201cthe Father is greater than I\u201d (Jn 14:28) and \u201cMy Father . . . is greater than all\u201d (Jn 10:29), but in the same Gospel <em>also<\/em> saying, \u201cI and the Father are one\u201d (Jn 10:30) and \u201cAll that the Father has is mine\u201d (Jn 16:15) and \u201cHe who has seen me has seen the Father\u201d (Jn 14:9) and \u201cI am in the Father and the Father in me\u201d (Jn 14:11). Hebrew, biblical, and Catholic thinking are not \u201ceither\/or\u201d (as habitually in Protestantism), but rather, \u201cboth\/and.\u201d Therefore, sometimes Paul or Peter or the biblical narrative can talk in terms of their equality, and other times, refer to Peter\u2019s headship in the hierarchy of the Church.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>126.<\/strong> Paul was chosen by God to \u201copen the eyes of his own people and of the Gentiles, to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God\u201d (Acts 26:17,18). Although this is a function of all Christians, for he was chosen of God to receive this call directly from Him, among many others. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>The same is true of St. Peter, who was clearly the leader of the brand-new Church, starting on the Day of Pentecost, when he delivered the first sermon in the Church age and oversaw the baptism of 3,000 new believers (Acts 2). He continues being the focus of Luke\u2019s narrative in Acts (during the time that Paul was persecuting and killing Christians), primarily evangelizing Jews, up through chapter 13, where the narrative switches over to the newly converted Paul (since he and Peter were the two most important figures in the new Church).<\/p>\n<p>It was Pope St. Peter, not Evangelist St. Paul, who was the first to learn that the Mosaic dietary and ceremonial laws wouldn\u2019t be required for Christians, and he was the first to receive the Gentiles into Christian fellowship, after a revelation from God (Acts 10:9-48). Just prior, an angel had told Cornelius to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6). Peter referred back to this in his talk at the council of Jerusalem: \u201cBrethren, you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe\u201d (Acts 15:7). Obviously, since Peter wound up in Rome as the bishop, and was martyred there, he had long since focused upon outreach to Gentiles.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.britannica.com\/biography\/Saint-Peter-the-Apostle\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">History and scholarship tells us that Peter was killed in 64 AD<\/a>, during the reign of the madman Nero. This was before Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans (in 70 AD). Thus, Peter had decided to concentrate on outreach to the Gentiles, just as Paul had. Both evangelized Jews and Gentiles. It\u2019s foolish to create some arbitrary divide, as if it is absolute. Both wound up being martyred in Rome.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 127.<\/strong> Paul was considered \u201cthe chief head of the sect of the Nazarenes -\u03ba\u03b1\u03b9 \u03b5\u03b9\u03bd\u03b1\u03b9 \u03c0\u03c1\u03c9\u03c4\u03bf\u03c3\u03c4\u03b1\u03c4\u03b7\u03c2 \u03c4\u03b7\u03c2 \u03b1\u03b9\u03c1\u03b5\u03c3\u03b5\u03c9\u03c2 \u03c4\u03c9\u03bd \u039d\u03b1\u03b6\u03c9\u03c1\u03b1\u03b9\u201d (Acts.24:5). The presence of the definite article and the singular \u03c0\u03c1\u03c9\u03c4\u03bf\u03c3\u03c4\u03b1\u03c4\u03b7\u03bd shows us clearly that Paul was actually the leader of the Christians appointed by the famous lawyer Tertullus (Acts 24:2), with the consent of the Jews and Luke, the evangelist who confirmed and recorded this in the Acts of the Apostles. Once again we see that Paul \u2013 and not Peter \u2013 is the most suitable to be \u201cleader of the sect of the Nazarenes\u201d! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Once again (annoyingly), Lucas decides to <em>repeat<\/em> an entry. If he keeps doing that, it will merely allow me to <em>deepen and strengthen my answers<\/em>, by dealing with the same thing <em>twice<\/em> (as I will do in <em>this<\/em> instance, and it doesn\u2019t look good for his argument at all). This material was covered in my reply to #49 in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/reply-to-lucas-banzolis-205-potshots-at-st-peter-part-i.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Part One<\/a>. There I noted that:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>My RSV Bible says \u201c<em>a<\/em>\u00a0ringleader\u201d as opposed to \u201c<em>the<\/em>\u00a0ringleader.\u201d How much difference one little word makes! I\u2019ve found only\u00a0<em>one<\/em>\u00a0out of about\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/verse\/en\/Acts%2024:5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">60 English translations of Acts 24:5<\/a>\u00a0that has \u201c<em>the<\/em>\u00a0ringleader.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So an argument Lucas obviously thinks was a \u201cknockout punch\u201d for Paul being some sort of \u201cpope\u201d rather than Peter, is mercilessly shot down by 59 out of 60 translators of the Bible into English. That\u2019s pretty decisive. A. T. Robertson\u2019s <em>Word Pictures of the New Testament<\/em> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/eng\/rwp\/acts-24.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">at Acts 24:5<\/a>) shows the true sense: \u201c<strong><em>A<\/em><\/strong> ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes . . . <strong><em>a<\/em><\/strong> front-rank man, <strong><em>a<\/em><\/strong> chief, <em><strong>a<\/strong><\/em> champion\u201d [my bolding and italics]. In a <a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/interlinear\/acts\/24.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Greek-English Interlinear version of the Bible<\/a> (see the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.logosapostolic.org\/bibles\/interlinear_nt.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> description of it<\/a>), we see that there is no definite article, either:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a title=\"pr\u014dtostat\u0113n: From protos and histemi; one standing first in the ranks, i.e. A captain.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/pro_tostate_n_4414.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">pr\u014dtostat\u0113n<\/a> <a title=\"te: And, both. A primary particle of connection or addition; both or also.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/te_5037.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">te <\/a><a title=\"t\u0113s: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/te_s_3588.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">t\u0113s<\/a>\u00a0<a title=\"t\u014dn: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/to_n_3588.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">t\u014dn<\/a> <a title=\"Naz\u014drai\u014dn: A Nazarene, an inhabitant of Nazareth. From Nazareth; a Nazoraean, i.e. Inhabitant of Nazareth; by extension, a Christian.\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/nazo_raio_n_3480.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Naz\u014drai\u014dn<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u03c0\u03c1\u03c9\u03c4\u03bf\u03c3\u03c4\u03ac\u03c4\u03b7\u03bd \u03c4\u03b5 \u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03c4\u1ff6\u03bd \u039d\u03b1\u03b6\u03c9\u03c1\u03b1\u03af\u03c9\u03bd<\/p>\n<p>a leader then of the of the Nazarenes<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cNazarenes\u201d has a definite article preceding it; but \u201cleader\u201d (or, \u201cringleader\u201d) does <em>not<\/em>. And that\u2019s why 59 out of 60 English translations use the indefinite \u201ca\u201d in describing Paul\u2019s leadership, not the definite \u201cthe.\u201d Whatever Portugese translation Lucas used here simply got this wrong, according to the overwhelming consensus of Bible translators (in English). I didn\u2019t simply claim this. The translators have made it crystal-clear. I accept their conclusion; Lucas does not. Readers can make their own choice, having now read <em>two<\/em> sides, rather than just <em>one<\/em>. Isn\u2019t back-and-forth dialogue wonderful?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>128.<\/strong> Paul exalted his own ministry (Rom.11:13). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes he did. And what did he <em>say<\/em> in that verse? (Lucas merely <em>cites<\/em> it; I <em>examine<\/em> it): \u201cI am an apostle to the Gentiles . . .\u201d He states exactly what his <em>role<\/em> or <em>office<\/em> is: the evangelist to the Gentiles, so as to spread Christianity far and wide. It\u2019s quite evident that such a role is<em> not<\/em> that of pope, who is the shepherd, leader, teacher, and protector of all <strong><em>Christians<\/em><\/strong>, not <strong><em>Gentile unbelievers<\/em><\/strong>. So this is Paul stating with his own \u201cmouth\u201d what he <em>is<\/em> (the Great Evangelist) and what he is <em>not<\/em> (the pope and leader of Christians). Paul reiterates this point of his central purpose in evangelizing the Gentiles <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=to+the+gentiles&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">many times<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 129.<\/strong> Christ accomplished through Paul in word and deed (Rom.15:18). He was the only apostle on record to have \u201cfully proclaimed the gospel of Christ\u201d (v.19) from \u201cJerusalem and round about to Illyricum\u201d (v.19). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes, he preached far and wide, because that was his office: evangelist. This <em>disproves<\/em> that he was pope. Why can\u2019t Lucas <em>see<\/em> this? So many of his \u201cdisproofs\u201d are actually strong arguments for the Catholic view of Peter as the first pope. I can\u2019t thank him enough for affording me this wonderful opportunity to prove all the <em>more<\/em> that Peter was the first pope and that Paul certainly was <em>not<\/em>. I\u2019ve come up with many arguments throughout these replies that likely would have never crossed my mind.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 130.<\/strong> Paul is the only apostle who writes that he was living \u201cin the fullness of the blessing of Christ\u201d (Rom.15:19). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>This doesn\u2019t prove that no one <em>else<\/em> partakes of the same blessing. In order to do that it would have to read something like, \u201cI am the <em>only one<\/em> who comes in the fulness of the blessing of Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 131.<\/strong> Paul used the authority of the name of Jesus Christ to plead with all the Romans, giving them orders to obey \u201cin one thought and in one judgment\u201d (Rom.1:10). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s acting like a bishop does, since it is one local church or congregation. But that doesn\u2019t prove <em>universal jurisdiction<\/em>. Paul exercises authority and supervision over the churches that he planted or nurtured.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 132.<\/strong> Paul\u2019s name appears first in relation to Peter in Romans<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> [1 Corinthians]<\/span> 1:12. Paul appears first, Apollos second, while Peter is only third (last listed). If Catholics really want to convince that the fact that someone\u2019s name is mentioned first means that he has primacy over the others that come later (as they constantly do with the list of disciples), then there\u2019s a hell of a headache that puts Peter behind Paul and Apollos!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>The actual verse is 1 Corinthians 1:12. I don\u2019t think this has any significance for our topic, because it has to do specifically with <em>factionalism<\/em>, not with ultimate authority. Paul names himself first because he was actually predominant in Corinth, having <em>planted<\/em> the church there (Acts 18; 1 Cor 2). Apollos is next because he gained much fame and reputation as an expert in apologetics in the region, in discussion with the Jews:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Acts 18:27-28<\/strong> . . . When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed, [28] for he powerfully confuted the Jews in public, showing by the scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>He was doing so well preaching and defending the faith there that the next verse notes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Acts 19:1<\/strong> While Apol\u2019los was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Division of labor . . . Because Apollos was thriving in Corinth and its surroundings, Paul (ever the pragmatist) bypassed it and went to Ephesus. Acts 18:27 stated that Apollos arrived in Achaia. This was <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Achaea\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a province of Greece<\/a> in the Peloponnese peninsula that was directly to the west and north of Corinth. Because of Apollos\u2019 success, factions started developing, as Paul notes, saying, \u201cI belong to Paul,\u201d or \u201cI belong to Apol\u2019los,\u201d (1 Cor 1:12).<\/p>\n<p>Quite obviously and unarguably, then, Apollos was not listed after Paul because he was the second most important in the universal Church after Paul, but because he was the second most important <em>in Corinth<\/em>. No one in their right mind would say that Apollos had more importance in the early Church than Peter. So Paul mentions himself and Apollos in that respect. Then to broaden his point of unity to make it more general, the first person he thinks of is Peter (the pope), and then Christ (which is the <em>proper<\/em> answer: all Christians belong to Christ, and He alone). Paul nails down the point by adding, \u201cWas Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The meaning, then, seems clear: \u201cYou say you belong to me or Apollos [the local leaders of the Corinthians], or to Peter [the pope and leader of all Christians], or to Christ.\u201d This actually <em>strengthens<\/em> Petrine primacy, rather than <em>diminis<\/em>h it, once the context is understood, because the first person he mentions beyond the immediate regional context is Peter; then he mentions Christ, because that was Who Christians <em>should<\/em> ultimately follow.<\/p>\n<p>And who are the Christians who are famous for <em>naming themselves after men<\/em> and following them to a fault, and forming competing sects: precisely the <em>opposite<\/em> of St. Paul\u2019s view? Lutherans, Calvinists, Mennonites, Zwinglians, Wesleyans, Arminians, Amish . . .<\/p>\n<p>My original argument, as I have explained many times, is a cumulative one. It becomes strong and impressive by its constant repetition. Here was how I put it in my <em>50 Proofs for Peter<\/em>. It\u2019s not only being listed <em>first<\/em> that is noteworthy, but being named so often, <em>period<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>4. Peter\u2019s name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Mt 10:2; Mk 3:16; Lk 6:14; Acts 1:13). Matthew even calls him the \u201cfirst\u201d (10:2). Judas Iscariot is invariably mentioned last.<\/p>\n<p>5. Peter is almost without exception named first whenever he appears with anyone else. In one (only?) example to the contrary, Galatians 2:9, where he (\u201cCephas\u201d) is listed after James and before John, he is clearly preeminent in the entire context (e.g., 1:18-19; 2:7-8).<\/p>\n<p>36. Peter\u2019s name is [almost] always the first listed of the \u201cinner circle\u201d of the disciples (Peter, James and John \u2013 Mt 17:1; 26:37,40; Mk 5:37; 14:37).<\/p>\n<p>39. Peter\u2019s name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together: 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon, and 6 as Cephas). John is next in frequency with only 48 appearances, and Peter is present 50% of the time we find John in the Bible! Archbishop Fulton Sheen reckoned that all the other disciples combined were mentioned 130 times. If this is correct, Peter is named a remarkable 60% of the time any disciple is referred to!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Lastly, if Lucas wants to make an argument from the word order in 1 Corinthians 1:12, then not only is Apollos more important than Peter in the early Church (absurd), but Jesus Christ is less important than <em>all three<\/em> men (!!!): seeing that He was listed fourth and last. Now his argument in #132 is shown to be ultra-ridiculous and more full of holes than Swiss cheese or a pin cushion.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>133.<\/strong> Paul asserts that they were but servants through whom the Corinthians came to believe (1 Cor. 3:5), so that \u201cneither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but God alone\u201d (1 Cor. 3:3). :7). In fact, such a picture does not occur in Catholicism, where the Pope \u201chas full, supreme and universal power in the Church. And he can always freely exercise this power of his\u201d (Catechism, \u00a7882).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>To the contrary, popes routinely call themselves <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/13737a.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cServant of the Servants of God.\u201d<\/a> This goes back to Pope St. Gregory the Great in the 6th century. So this <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cpicture\u201d<\/span> <em>is<\/em> part of Catholicism. On the other hand, there is supreme and universal power in the Church, as seen in the decree of the Jerusalem council, in conjunction with the \u201cHoly Spirit\u201d (Acts 15). And the infallibility of the Church is also taught in 1 Timothy 3:15. When the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/05\/1-timothy-315-church-infallibility-vs-steve-hays.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">logical and ecclesiological implications<\/a> of that verse are unpacked, it is seen to teach the infallibility of the Church, which is contrary to <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>. If the Church has that power, it makes sense that the leader of the Church also would.<\/p>\n<p>And Peter possessing the \u201ckeys of the kingdom\u201d proves exactly that. That\u2019s why the great Protestant scholar F. F. Bruce said Peter was the \u201cchief steward\u201d of the Church (see the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/reply-to-lucas-banzolis-205-potshots-at-st-peter-part-i.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Introduction in Part One<\/a>), why the Lutheran Oscar Cullmann called Peter the \u201csuperintendent\u201d (<em>ibid<\/em>.), why Methodist W. F. Albright thought Peter was the \u201cthe vizier, the master of the house, the chamberlain\u201d (#7 in Part One), why Craig Keener thought he had \u201clegislative authority\u201d (<em>ibid<\/em>.), and why <em>The Interpreter\u2019s Bible<\/em> confirmed that Peter had \u201cplenary authority\u201d and was the \u201cchief teacher\u201d (<em>ibid<\/em>.).<\/p>\n<p>This is why, also, when Peter spoke at the Jerusalem Council, no one disagreed with him (\u201cAnd all the assembly kept silence\u201d: Acts 15:12), and local bishop James deferentially said, \u201cSimeon has related . . .\u201d (15:14), and proceeded to show how the prophets agreed with Peter (15:15-18). Peter (guided by his recent revelation \/ vision form God) had decided that the Gentiles shouldn\u2019t have to follow the entire Mosaic Law, including circumcision, and this is what the council decreed. This is precisely <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cpower in the Church\u201d<\/span>: exercised by St. Peter, leading a council of elders and apostles, including St. Paul (whose words in this gathering weren\u2019t even <em>recorded<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>134.<\/strong> Paul claims that it was he (not Peter) who laid the foundation for the church (1 Cor. 3:10).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In context, this is clearly referring to Paul laying the foundation for the local Corinthian church (1 Cor 2:1-5; Acts 18:1-11), not the Church universal. Very shoddy hermeneutics here . . . Besides, if Paul had laid the foundation of the universal, Catholic Church, then it didn\u2019t even exist on the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit started indwelling all Christians and when 3,000 persons were baptized and \u201cadded\u201d to the Church (Acts 2). Paul was still killing Christians in those days. So this entire notion is utterly absurd and false. It\u2019s embarrassing to me as an apologist to have to take time to refute such a silly, vacuous argument. But we see how weak Lucas\u2019 case is. This is a prime example.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>135.<\/strong> Rather than adduce the pope, Paul adduces himself when he speaks of the (spiritual) \u201cfathers\u201d that the Corinthians had (1 Cor.4:15). If Peter were the [only] pope, obviously he would be the one for it, not Paul (remember that the very word \u201cpope\u201d comes from the word \u201cfather\u201d).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Another silly, fatuous argument. Lucas himself says that this refers to the Corinthians only. Popes are the fathers of all Christians, but bishops are also the fathers of local churches, and priests of local congregations or parishes, if you will. It\u2019s not an either\/or scenario.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>136.<\/strong> It was Paul \u2013 not Peter \u2013 who had begotten the Corinthians in faith through the gospel (1 Cor.4:15).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>He planted a church as an evangelist. That is the evangelist\u2019s task, not the pope\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>137.<\/strong> Paul is the only apostle who constantly pleaded with us to imitate him (1Cor.4:16; 1Co.11:1; Phil.3:17).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>He did, but in 2 Thessalonians, which was actually a joint effort of\u00a0 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy (1:1), Paul said to imitate all three of them:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>2 Thessalonians 3:7-9<\/strong> For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us; we were not idle when we were with you, [8] we did not eat any one\u2019s bread without paying, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not burden any of you. [9] It was not because we have not that right, but to give you in our conduct an example to imitate.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Does Lucas now argue as a result, that Timothy and Silvanus are higher in the Church than Peter? Hebrews broadens the scope of this \u201cimitation\u201d too:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Hebrews 13:7<\/strong> Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hebrews 11:1-40 (the whole chapter) is the famous \u201cheroes of faith\u201d passage. It was written, quite obviously, to exhort people to imitate the figures mentioned: Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, and \u201cSamuel and the prophets\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>138.<\/strong> Paul is the only apostle who passed on commandments (1Co.7:10 <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[7:6?]<\/span>; 1Co.14:37,38)!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Peter commanded Cornelius and his kin and friends to be baptized (Acts 10:48). Jesus told eleven disciples (including their leader, Peter): \u201cteaching them to observe all that I have commanded you\u201d (Mt 28:20). That was certainly passing on commandments. St. John did this, too: \u201cBeloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard\u201d (1 Jn 2:7; cf. 2 Jn 1:4-6); \u201cAnd this commandment we have from him, that he who loves God should love his brother also\u201d (1 Jn 4:21).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>139.<\/strong> Paul is the only apostle with a \u201cuniversal\u201d character, who passed orders to \u201call the churches\u201d (1 Cor.7:17).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Note it is plural: \u201cchurches\u201d (i.e., congregations). He\u2019s acting like a bishop, over local churches, not like a pope over the universal Church, though it is true that the advice and commands in his epistles are generally regarded as applicable to all Christians (just as the rest of the New Testament is so regarded as well).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>140.<\/strong> Paul acknowledges that he was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor.7:40).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Christianity has decided that the canonical writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the author of Hebrews, James, Peter, and Jude were also inspired (\u201cGod-breathed\u201d), so this is neither here nor there as to our topic at hand. This dispute is not about <em>All the Wonderful Things About Paul<\/em> (that no one disagrees with). It\u2019s about <em>Whether Peter Was the Pope \/ Leader of the Early Church<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>141.<\/strong> Paul defends the validity of his apostleship with the following arguments (1 Cor.9:1): <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">A. It was free. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> B. He saw the Lord Jesus. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">C. The Corinthians were Paul\u2019s work in the Lord. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>And how is this a disproof of Peter\u2019s papacy? The title of Lucas\u2019 article that I am replying to is <span class=\"goog-text-highlight\"><em>205 Proofs Against the Primacy of Peter. <\/em>Writers generally stick to the topic indicated by their title. But apparently Lucas disagrees with this widespread practice. Many of these entries about Paul have <em><strong>nothing<\/strong> to do<\/em> (pro or con) with Peter\u2019s primacy or lack thereof.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 142.<\/strong> Note that none of Paul\u2019s arguments for the validity and veracity of his true apostleship (either in 1 Cor. 9:1 or in any other chapter) is based upon its being \u201caccepted or ordained by the pope.\u201d Of two, one: Either Paul ignored the leadership and authority of Peter, or else Peter was not all that as Catholics preach. Paul\u2019s apostleship and authority was completely independent of any acknowledgment of Peter! <\/span><\/p>\n<p>We wouldn\u2019t <em>necessarily<\/em> expect to see that at such an early stage of ecclesiology; <strong><em>however<\/em><\/strong>, what evidence we <em>do<\/em> have (Paul\u2019s visiting Peter for fifteen days at the outset of his ministry: Gal 1:18) strongly suggests Peter\u2019s sanctioning approval. It wasn\u2019t just a mere coincidence that Apostle \/ Pope St. Peter was the one whom Apostle \/ Evangelist St. Paul visited, and for fifteen days, right at this important stage in his mission. If he were truly some sort of \u201cspiritual lone ranger\u201d as so many Protestants pretend (and Lucas may be one of them), then he wouldn\u2019t have to go beyond Ananias, who laid hands on him (the usual rite of ordination), baptized him and was told by the Lord that Paul would have a great mission and destiny. That would constitute his ordination, if just <em>anyone<\/em> could do that. But in fact, we see the authority and ecclesiastical superiority of Peter in play.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 143.<\/strong> Paul showed that he had the same rights to himself that the other apostles had, and he includes Peter (1 Cor.9:5). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yep. Irrelevant. If we\u2019re talking about apostles, Peter was one, too.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 144.<\/strong> Paul made himself weak to win the weak, and strong to win the strong. He did everything to everyone, to somehow save as many people as possible. In his own words, \u201cI do everything for the gospel\u2019s sake, to share in it\u201d (1 Cor.9:22,23). Paul was definitely the apostle who was most committed to defending the faith, to the point of becoming everything to everyone, so that they could receive Christ and see in him an example to be followed. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Exactly. This is what we would fully expect evangelists in particular to do, as good \u201cpersuasive policy\u201d. I have tried to imitate this in the 41 years I have done Christian apologetics. Once again, Lucas seems to forget what the subject matter of this dispute is about. No one disagrees with all the great things that he notes about Paul (at least the ones that aren\u2019t distorted and misunderstood). <strong><em>Was Peter the Pope?<\/em><\/strong> is our topic, and I religiously stick to it even if Lucas goes sailing off into the wild blue yonder, wildly, obliviously producing scads of <em>non sequiturs<\/em> and talking about all of St. Paul\u2019s attributes that I have admired and respected as a committed disciple of Jesus and Bible-lover these past 45 years.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 145.<\/strong> Paul\u2019s words were not merely instructions, but \u201ccommandments of the Lord\u201d (1 Cor. 14:37). He categorically states that if anyone were to ignore his words, \u201che himself will be ignored\u201d (1 Cor.14:38). Nowhere else in the New Testament do we see an apostle writing with such authority, or writing on the authority of \u201cthe Lord\u2019s commandments.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Now Lucas bizarrely repeats an (erroneous) argument he made just <em>seven entries<\/em> earlier (#138 above). Weird . . .<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>146.<\/strong> Paul claims that he worked much harder than all the apostles did. He says, \u201c\u2026and his grace toward me was not in vain, but I worked harder than all of them\u201d (1 Cor.15:10). As the apostle who works the most towards others, he can certainly be considered the \u201cfront line\u201d among the apostles, the first and the one who most carried the gospel message. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>He was the hardest worker. I agree! See my reply to #144 above.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 147.<\/strong> Paul was \u201cChrist\u2019s ambassador\u201d (1Co.5:20) <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[should be 2 Cor 5:20]<\/span>, and he claims that God made his appeal through him (1Co.5:20). <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yes he was. So was Timothy, co-writer of 2 Corinthians (1:1). That\u2019s why Paul writes in the plural, and why it has \u201cambassadors\u201d in the plural:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>2 Corinthians 5:20<\/strong> So <em><strong>we<\/strong><\/em> are <em><strong>ambassadors<\/strong><\/em> for Christ, God making his appeal through <em><strong>us<\/strong><\/em>. <em><strong>We<\/strong><\/em> beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But Lucas ignores the \u201cwe\u201d and \u201cus\u201d that the epistle constantly employs, and so ignores poor old Timothy, who is also an \u201cambassador.\u201d Peter, for his part, had <em>long since<\/em> been an ambassador or representative of Christ, as one of the twelve disciples (Mt 10:1), as Jesus made abundantly clear:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 10:22<\/strong> and you will be hated by all for my name\u2019s sake. . . .<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 10:40<\/strong> He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>148.<\/strong> The only apostle the Bible says is \u201ccommended in everything\u201d (2 Cor.6:4) is Paul. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>It doesn\u2019t say God commended him, but that \u201cwe commend ourselves in every way\u201d. St. Peter taught that those who are commended by God are a rather large number:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>1 Peter 2:19-20<\/strong> For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly. [20] . . . if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God\u2019s approval.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The writer of Hebrews applies it to a large number of past saints: \u201cthe men of old received divine approval\u201d (Heb 11:2), based on their faith (11:1).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong> 149.<\/strong> Paul clearly did not defend the superior authority of the apostle Peter over himself. Proof of this is that he says: \u201cI was in no way inferior to the most excellent apostles\u201d (2 Cor. 11:5). How could he have said such a thing, when Peter was the greatest earthly leader of the Church on the face of the earth, the \u201cuniversal bishop\u201d? Since Paul was in NO way inferior to the most excellent apostles, it is obvious and patent that he was not inferior to Peter or the others, either in terms of ecclesiastical authority.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve dealt with this issue of \u201cequality\u201d twice now: in #66 in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-ii.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Part Two<\/a>, and in #125 above.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>150.<\/strong> Paul again defends his apostolic authority, not judging himself inferior to others (2Co.11:22-30), based on these facts:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> A. He was also a Hebrew (v.22). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> B. He was also an Israelite (v.22). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">C. He was also a descendant of Abraham (v.22). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">D. He was much more a servant of Christ (v.23). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">E. He worked much harder (v.23). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">F. He was imprisoned more times (v.23). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">G. He was scourged more severely (v.23). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> H. He was exposed to death many more times (v.23). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I. He went through much more tribulation than anyone else (vv.25-27). <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">J. For these things he is proud (v.30).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>He was an apostle, yep. Not every apostle is a pope, and not every pope is an apostle. He had the ancestral pedigree. He suffered a lot. The problem with Lucas\u2019 analysis is that Paul <em>also<\/em> taught that <em>everyone<\/em> who \u201csuffer[ed] with\u201d Christ would \u2014 as a direct result \u2014 be \u201cglorified with him\u201d and would be \u201cheirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ\u201d (Rom 8:17).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">END OF PART THREE<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/reply-to-lucas-banzolis-205-potshots-at-st-peter-part-i.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Go to Part One (#1-50)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-ii.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Go to Part Two (#51-100)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/05\/lucas-banzolis-205-petrine-potshots-part-iv.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Go to Part Four (#151-205)<\/a><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Practical Matters<\/em><\/strong>: Perhaps some of my 4,000+ free online articles (the most comprehensive \u201cone-stop\u201d Catholic apologetics site) or\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">fifty books<\/a>\u00a0have helped you (by God\u2019s grace) to decide to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">become Catholic<\/a>\u00a0or to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">return to the Church<\/a>,\u00a0or better understand some doctrines and\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/02\/the-biblical-basis-of-apologetics-defense-of-christianity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>why<\/em>\u00a0we believe them<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you may believe my work is worthy to support for the purpose of apologetics and evangelism in general. 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This is Part III of my replies (#101-150).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lucas Banzoli is a very active Brazilian anti-Catholic polemicist, who holds to basically a Seventh-Day Adventist theology, whereby there is no such thing as a soul that consciously exists outside of a body, and no hell (soul sleep and annihilationism). 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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