{"id":64772,"date":"2022-06-05T18:42:10","date_gmt":"2022-06-05T22:42:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=64772"},"modified":"2022-06-06T09:43:03","modified_gmt":"2022-06-06T13:43:03","slug":"church-vs-the-bible-vs-francisco-tourinho","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/06\/church-vs-the-bible-vs-francisco-tourinho.html","title":{"rendered":"\u201cChurch vs. the Bible\u201d (vs. Francisco Tourinho)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Examining the Presuppositions That Lie Behind Past Catholic Recommended Restrictions on Individual Bible Reading<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/06\/Bible-Reading.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-64775\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/06\/Bible-Reading-300x168.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nc684nl6\"><a class=\"oajrlxb2 g5ia77u1 qu0x051f esr5mh6w e9989ue4 r7d6kgcz rq0escxv nhd2j8a9 nc684nl6 p7hjln8o kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x jb3vyjys rz4wbd8a qt6c0cv9 a8nywdso i1ao9s8h esuyzwwr f1sip0of lzcic4wl gmql0nx0 gpro0wi8 decorated-link decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/francisco.tourinho.37?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDo1NTkzMjkyMTg0MDM5MDU0XzEyMjkwMjM4NTQ1MDYyNTQ%3D&amp;__cft__%5B0%5D=AZX-V8DvIlHRNrsG4UF2lp_RHSmzgoqF-G-4PJzV7s5wr9hyN4E-1TsXgwGifN_iEhudE0_CGAMYG_Ac6h43LTwAudnOVwCTZaCTvPrleG6dkz2KpY-r4tMzOfNWgtgeA2SVZqLNqoG--8bgnJJU_YvZ&amp;__tn__=R%5D-R\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"pq6dq46d\"><span class=\"d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d9wwppkn mdeji52x e9vueds3 j5wam9gi lrazzd5p oo9gr5id\" dir=\"auto\">Francisco Tourinho<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"pq6dq46d\"><span class=\"d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d9wwppkn mdeji52x e9vueds3 j5wam9gi lrazzd5p oo9gr5id\" dir=\"auto\">\u00a0is a Brazilian Calvinist apologist. He described his theological credentials\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dave.armstrong.798\/posts\/5593292184039054?comment_id=4926187847504270&amp;reply_comment_id=1229023854506254&amp;__cft__%5B0%5D=AZX-V8DvIlHRNrsG4UF2lp_RHSmzgoqF-G-4PJzV7s5wr9hyN4E-1TsXgwGifN_iEhudE0_CGAMYG_Ac6h43LTwAudnOVwCTZaCTvPrleG6dkz2KpY-r4tMzOfNWgtgeA2SVZqLNqoG--8bgnJJU_YvZ&amp;__tn__=R%5D-R\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">on my Facebook page<\/a>:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I have the respect of the academic community for my articles published in peer review magazines, translation of unpublished classical works into Portuguese and also the production of a book in the year 2019 with more than 2000 copies sold (with no marketing). In addition I have higher education in physical education from Piau\u00ed State University and theology from the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>Assemblies of God<\/a> Biblical Institute, am currently working towards a Masters from Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary, and did post-graduate work at Dom Bosco Catholic University. Also, I am a professor in the Reformed Scholasticism discipline at the Jonathan Edwards Seminary in the postgraduate course in Philosophical Theology. [edited slightly for more flowing English]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"ecm0bbzt e5nlhep0 a8c37x1j\">\n<div class=\"kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql\" style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>This is a reply to his article, <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.calvinismoexplicado.com.br\/2022\/06\/04\/unigenitus-1713-vs-estudo-pessoal-das-escrituras-resposta-a-dave-armstrong\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cUnigenitus\u201d (1713) vs Estudo Pessoal das Escrituras: Resposta a Dave Armstrong<\/a> [<em>\u201cUnigenitus\u201d (1713) vs Personal Study of the Scriptures: Reply to Dave Armstrong<\/em>] (6-4-22). I use Google Translate to transfer his Portugese into English. His words will be in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>. My words from my article that he is critiquing will be in <span style=\"color: #008000;\">green<\/span>.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">First, I would like to thank Mr. Dave Armstrong (\u201cArmstrong\u201d hereafter) for the opportunity to debate.<\/span><\/p>\n<div>He is welcome, and I return thanks back to him. Recently, I attempted to critique the materials of eight Protestant apologists on YouTube. Only <em>one out of eight<\/em> made any response, or showed the slightest interest in dialogue (Gavin Ortlund, a Reformed Baptist pastor). Protestants these days are very reluctant to interact with Catholic apologists. So I commend Francisco for having the courage of his convictions.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The article [I chose to refute] deals with a defense against a Protestant blog that accuses the Church of Rome of having prohibited the reading of Scripture through the issuance of the Bull <em>Unigenitus<\/em>, an Apostolic Constitution promulgated by Pope Clement XI in 1713.<\/span> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/05\/unigenitus-1713-vs-personal-bible-study.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">link to my article<\/a>] <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">My aim is not to make a systematic defense of the Protestant blog post, but to refute the claims made by Mr. Armstrong throughout the article. The quotes will be in quotation marks and italics.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Two central points are stated by Mr. Armstrong, the first is that the Church of Rome never prohibited the reading of Scripture.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p>As a <em>blanket and universal statement<\/em> (\u201cNo Christian is allowed to read the Bible on his own\u201d, etc.), no: the Church did not ever make such a proclamation. Does anyone have to simply take <em>my<\/em> word for that? No. The<em>\u00a0Cambridge History of the Bible<\/em>\u00a0(not a Catholic work) stated that \u201cno universal and absolute prohibition of the translation of the Scriptures into the vernacular nor of the use of such translations by clergy or laity was ever issued by any council of the Church or any pope\u201d (p. 391). The 1910\u00a0<em>New Catholic Dictionary<\/em>\u00a0(<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/dictionaries\/eng\/ncd\/b\/bible-reading-by-laity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cBible Reading by Laity\u201d<\/a>) reiterates this opinion:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">In the history of the Church\u00a0there never has been a general prohibition against the reading of the Bible by the laity.\u00a0While the Church does not consider Bible reading necessary for salvation, she has always approved such reading under proper conditions.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div>This is what I meant, in stating at the end [this portion cited by Francisco]: <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cDid Pope Clement XI\u2019s \u2018Unigenitus\u2019 (1713) forbid Bible reading? No.\u201d<\/span> He recommended restrictions on unrestrained, completely free and \u201cunmonitored\u201d or \u201cunguided\u201d Bible-reading, which is a different proposition, and one that can be <em>fully defended<\/em>, as I intend to do in this reply.\u00a0 I\u2019m grateful for the \u201cgolden opportunity\u201d to make my argument even stronger than it was!<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The second is that similarly the Calvinists did the same:<\/span> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cI also show how other Catholic decrees are not anti-biblical, &amp; that Calvinists similarly criticized \u2018erroneous\u2019 works.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">In the first part of the article Dave Armstrong approvingly cites the arguments of the Catholic apologist Jimmy Akin, then makes his own remarks on <em>Unigenitus<\/em> and proceeds to make some observations on Calvinists. We will proceed with the explanation in that order and see whether Mr. Armstrong\u2019s conclusions follow from his arguments.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>And I will show that they <em>do<\/em>!<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">This article was chosen for several reasons. The first is that it was actually the first one I read. Second, he touches on the most important point of the Reformation after the debate on Justification by Faith Alone. Third, from it we can develop other themes such as Papal infallibility and the Roman magisterium and Sola Scriptura, points that we will develop during these days.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>All good reasons, and I agree, too, that all these issues were central in the Catholic-Protestant debate then and now.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION \u201cUNIGENITUS\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>Unigenitus<\/em> was a document issued by Pope Clement XI that condemned the reading of Holy Scripture by all Christians. <\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Well, it suggested supervision for less educated Christians and advocated against <em>utterly unrestricted<\/em> Bible-reading: not <strong><em>all<\/em><\/strong> Bible-reading.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The Bull carefully prepared in 17 assemblies of theologians and 23 of cardinals. The aforementioned is an \u201capostolic constitution\u201d, that is, it is a solemn document issued by the Pope with the purpose of establishing a teaching of faith for the flock.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>It\u2019s not an infallible document because it was recommending <em>practices<\/em> of Bible-reading, which comes under the category of \u201cdisciplinary decrees\u201d: themselves not infallible (celibacy of priests would be another issue in this category). As Francisco himself notes later in his article, the Catholic Church changed these views. We did so since Pope Leo XIII (r. 1879-1903) at the latest, and especially in Vatican II (1962-1965). Something that was intended to be infallible cannot change, by definition. So by Catholic criteria of the various levels of authority of documents, this one fails the tests as infallible.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The condemned theses were:<\/span><\/div>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">79. It is useful and necessary at all times, in all places and for all types of people, to study and know the spirit, piety and mysteries of Sacred Scripture.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Again, it is stating \u201cnegatively\u201d the idea that not all people are qualified to engage in personal Bible reading with no outside guidance; that this can (and <em>has<\/em> in history) led to false doctrines. The decree was trying to protect the flock from error, not to bash the Bible, as if it were a bad thing. That\u2019s the Protestant stereotype of these sorts of decrees (as if the Catholic Church <em>feared<\/em> that folks would conclude Catholicism is false by reading the Bible). But it\u2019s clearly not the <em>intent<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>I cited Catholic apologist Jimmy Akin in my initial article, responding to each one of these \u201ccontroversial\u201d propositions (#79-85), because he provides such an excellent and helpful analysis of <em>Unigenitus<\/em>. His article is entitled, <a href=\"http:\/\/jimmyakin.com\/2012\/01\/did-the-church-forbid-bible-study.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cDid the Church Forbid Bible Study?\u201d<\/a> (1-20-12). I need not repeat that. I direct folks to his article above. But here are a few highlights, for those who don\u2019t follow the link. I\u2019ll cite a portion of his commentary for each proposition:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[T]he concern with this proposition is quite likely . . . \u201cwe are worried about people reading and getting a wrong view so don\u2019t read without proper preparation.\u201d It does not seem to be \u201cWe reject the idea of individual study of Scripture since Scripture is unclear.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">80. The reading of Sacred Scripture is for everyone.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This seems to be objectionable on the same grounds as the previous proposition. Again: What about those unprepared for individual study?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">81. The sacred obscurity of the Word of God is no reason for lay people to refrain from reading it.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[I]t\u2019s <em>okay<\/em> for a person to say, \u201cBy God\u2019s providence the Scriptures are not as clear as I would need them to be to study them on my own. I\u2019m in the position of the Ethiopian eunuch [see Acts 8:27-31 below], who can\u2019t discern important points on his own, without guidance.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">82. The Lord\u2019s Day must be sanctified by Christians with readings from pious works and above all from the Holy Scriptures. It is harmful for a Christian to wish to withdraw from this reading.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It seems to be intended to protect Christians from the idea it is \u201charmful\u201d if they feel the need to say, \u201cI am not prepared to do unguided Scripture study on Sundays; therefore, I wish to withdraw from doing so.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">83. It is an illusion to be persuaded that knowledge of the mysteries of religion should not be communicated to women by reading the Holy Scriptures. Not from the simplicity of women, but from the proud knowledge of men came the abuse of Scripture and heresies were born.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This seems to be concerned to protect the rights of women to make the same objections discussed in the previous two propositions. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">84. To snatch the New Testament from the hands of Christians, or to keep it closed against them, depriving them of the means of understanding it, is to close the mouth of Christ to them.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>. . . \u201ccaptious\u201d . . . means, roughly, uncharitably fault-finding. In other words, being unfair to those you are criticizing . . .\u00a0I could easily see this proposition as being captious.\u00a0It characterizes the Church as \u201csnatch[ing] away from the hands of Christians the New Testament.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">85. To prohibit Christians from reading Sacred Scripture, especially the Gospels, is to forbid the use of light by the children of light and make them suffer a kind of excommunication.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The overall phrasing is hostile and contentious and seems, again, to \u00a0be casting the non-endorsement of universal, unguided Scripture study in the worst possible light.\u00a0Yet there are good reason for not endorsing universal, unguided Scripture study. Some people are simply not prepared for it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Then Jimmy summarizes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It also seems to me that they [the above propositions] do not add up to a rejection of individual Scripture study for those who are properly prepared for this. They are merely rejecting the idea that unguided Scripture study should be universally engaged in by all Christians, regardless of their level of preparation, and Christians are not at fault if they do not feel themselves prepared to undertake this task and are content to learn the Scriptures under ecclesiastical guidance.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now I\u2019d like to step back and examine Francisco\u2019s (and Protestantism\u2019s) always casually-assumed premise with regard to Bible-reading. As a good \u201csocratic\u201d in my methodology, it\u2019s what I do, very often. Can it stand up to scrutiny? Here is what they believe:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Individual Bible study ought to be utterly free and unrestricted, does not require any <em>necessary<\/em> guidance, in order to rightly, properly understand Holy Scripture in a non-heretical way [referring here to heretical views agreed-to by Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox alike, such as the denial of trinitarianism, the deity of Christ, etc.], and entails no spiritual danger whatsoever of the person falling prey to false doctrines due to their false interpretation of the inspired Scripture.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That is \u2014 at bottom \u2014 the premise behind all of this protest against restrictive recommendations such as that in <em>Unigenitus<\/em>. It\u2019s assumed (seemingly without much reflection) that passing out Bibles to all and sundry (a practice that is never sanctioned in the Bible), to come up with theology on their own without ecclesiastical or scholarly guidance, is perfectly fine and dandy. How could any Christian <em>possibly<\/em> object to <em>that<\/em>!? Anyone who <em>does<\/em> object is obviously <em>anti-Bible<\/em>! So goes the reasoning. This is one reason why Francisco chose this article in particular, because he thinks it proves Catholic hostility towards the Bible: whereas Protestants regard themselves as uniquely the champions of Holy Scripture.<\/p>\n<p>But is the proposition \/ premise above, <em>true<\/em>? I would say it clearly is <em>not<\/em> true, based on two considerations:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) biblical teaching about Bible-reading.<\/p>\n<p>2) the history of non-trinitarian cults, especially in America, as a result of these radically<em> sola Scriptura<\/em> views.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Let\u2019s survey these in order:<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Holy Scripture itself does indeed teach the principle of a\u00a0<em>necessity for authoritative guides<\/em>\u00a0with regard to\u00a0<em>reading\u00a0<\/em>and<em>\u00a0understanding<\/em>\u00a0Holy Scripture:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Exodus 18:20<\/strong> (RSV) and you shall teach them the statutes and the decisions, and make them know the way in which they must walk and what they must do.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Moses was not simply to deliver and read the Law (Torah: first five books of the Bible) to the Hebrews, but also \u201cteach them\u201d about it. Since he was the Lawgiver and author of the Torah, it stands to reason that his interpretation and teaching would be of a highly authoritative nature.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Leviticus 10:11<\/strong>\u00a0and you are to teach the people of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by Moses.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Moses\u2019 brother Aaron was also to teach the true meaning of the Torah. It was true at this early stage, just as it was in Jesus\u2019 time, that believers were not simply given Bibles (as if it were a mass \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Gideons_International\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Gideon\u2019s Bible<\/a>\u201d crusade) to read. Authoritative interpretation was stressed as necessary from the beginning.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Deuteronomy 33:10<\/strong>\u00a0They shall teach Jacob thy ordinances,\u00a0and Israel thy law . . .<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Authoritative interpretation of the Torah was also the responsibility of the Levite priests.\u00a0Compare this with 2 Chronicles 15:3; Malachi 2:6-8 \u2014 the latter calls them \u201cmessenger of the LORD of hosts\u201d.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Ezra 7:6, 10\u00a0<\/strong>this Ezra went up from Babylonia. He was a scribe skilled in the law of Moses which the LORD the God of Israel had given; and the king granted him all that he asked, for the hand of the LORD his God was upon him. . . . [10]\u00a0For Ezra had set his heart to study the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach his statutes and ordinances in Israel.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Nehemiah 8:1-3, 7-8, 12\u00a0<\/strong>And all the people gathered as one man into the square before the Water Gate; and they told Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses which the LORD had given to Israel.\u00a0[2] And Ezra the priest brought the law before the assembly, both men and women and all who could hear with understanding, on the first day of the seventh month.\u00a0[3] And he read from it . . . [7] Also Jesh\u2019ua, Bani, Sherebi\u2019ah, Jamin, Akkub, Shab\u2019bethai, Hodi\u2019ah, Ma-asei\u2019ah, Keli\u2019ta, Azari\u2019ah, Jo\u2019zabad, Hanan, Pelai\u2019ah, the Levites, helped the people to understand the law, while the people remained in their places.\u00a0[8] And they read from the book, from the law of God, clearly [footnote, \u201cor with interpretation\u201d]; and they gave the sense, so that the people understood the reading. . . . [12]\u00a0And all the people went their way to eat and drink and to send portions and to make great rejoicing, because they had understood the words that were declared to them.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>8:7 describes thirteen Levites who assisted Ezra, and \u201cwho helped the people to understand the law.\u201d Much earlier, in King Jehoshaphat\u2019s reign, we find Levites exercising the same function (2 Chronicles 17:8-9). There is no\u00a0<i>sola Scriptura<\/i>, with its associated idea \u201cperspicuity\u201d (evident clearness in the main) here. The people did indeed understand the law (8:12), but not without much assistance \u2014 not merely upon hearing. Likewise, the Bible is not altogether clear in and of itself, but requires the aid of teachers who are more familiar with biblical styles and Hebrew idiom, background, context, exegesis and cross-reference, hermeneutical principles, original languages, etc.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Luke 24:25-27<\/strong>\u00a0And he said to them, \u201cO foolish men, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!\u00a0[26] Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?\u201d\u00a0[27] And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Acts 8:27-31\u00a0<\/strong>And he rose and went. And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Can\u2019dace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship\u00a0[28] and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.\u00a0[29] And the Spirit said to Philip, \u201cGo up and join this chariot.\u201d\u00a0[30] So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, \u201cDo you understand what you are reading?\u201d\u00a0[31] And he said, \u201cHow can I, unless some one guides me?\u201d And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"calibre8\"><strong>2 Peter 3:15-17<\/strong>\u00a0So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, [16] speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. [17] You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>It\u2019s not just \u201cthe medieval Catholic Church\u201d that came up with this concept. It\u2019s clearly taught in inspired revelation. It\u2019s also true that in the first five centuries of the Church, it was a deliberate and widespread practice to only\u00a0<em>gradually<\/em>\u00a0introduce new Christians to the \u201cdeeper\u201d elements of Christianity. This practice was known as the\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/05032a.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Discipline of the Secret<\/a>, or\u00a0<em>Disciplina Arcani\u00a0<\/em>in Latin.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, not only the Bible in both Testaments, but also the early Church for some 1500 years, held that not everyone should simply be given a Bible to read, with no authoritative guidance to steer them from erroneous interpretations (many of which have been observed throughout history, especially among schismatic and heretical \u201csects\u201d or \u201ccults\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>Now onto a brief consideration of the history of heretical sects: especially in the United States. Here in America, false sects are particularly prone to develop, because we are the quintessential Protestant country. Historical heresies in the early Church and these late-arriving cults both espoused <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>, just as Protestants do. From that premise they established their little heretical empires.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Charles_Taze_Russell#Early_life\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Charles Taze Russell<\/a> founded the Arian Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses in 1879. It now has <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses#Demographics\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">about 21.3 million members<\/a> worldwide.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mary_Baker_Eddy\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mary Baker Eddy<\/a> founded the Gnostic-influenced <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Christian_Science\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Christian Science<\/a> in the same year. It had a little under 50,000 members in 2009, down from a high of 270,000 in 1936.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Joseph_Smith\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Joseph Smith<\/a> founded polytheistic <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mormonism\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mormonism<\/a> in 1827. It now has over 16 million members.<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/United_Pentecostal_Church_International\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">United Pentecostal Church<\/a> adopted the Sabellian heresy. It was begun by <a class=\"mw-redirect decorated-link\" title=\"Charles Parham\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Charles_Parham\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Charles Parham<\/a> and now has 5.2 million members.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Christadelphians\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Christadelphianism<\/a> is another Arian cult, begun by <a title=\"John Thomas (Christadelphian)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_Thomas_(Christadelphian)\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Thomas<\/a> in 1848. It now numbers about 50,000.<\/p>\n<p>This is what can happen by allowing unguided, unrestricted Bible study and applying <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> (the denial that there is an infallible Church or tradition to guide one\u2019s interpretation of the sole infallible rule of faith, the Bible), and a disregard for historical precedent (or apostolic succession).<\/p>\n<p>The notion of complete, utterly unbounded individual religious freedom also has historical reasons for why it came to be. Protestants and Catholics alike used to practice persecution and intolerance of other Christians different from themselves. Both <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/02\/luther-favored-death-penalty-for-anabaptists.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Luther<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/02\/john-calvin-capital-punishment-for-heretics-anabaptists-etc.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Calvin<\/a> sanctioned the death penalty for Anabaptists, because they believed in adult baptism. I have an extensive web page, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/protestantism-index-page.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cProtestantism: Historic Persecution &amp; Intolerance\u201d<\/a>: lest anyone doubt that Protestants persecuted just as much as Catholics did.<\/p>\n<p>No one has a \u201cperfect record\u201d in this respect. And one only need to look at how Protestant England (where most of my ancestors came from) treated Ireland for 400 years. Catholicism was either outlawed outright, or Catholics disenfranchised from mainstream society in England from 1536 to 1829. I have documented on my web page above, 1275 Catholic martyrs by name, including <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/02\/430-catholic-martyrs-murdered-henry-viii-1534-1544.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">430 in just ten years by King Henry VIII<\/a>,\u00a0 312 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/10\/312-catholic-martyrs-confessors-under-good-queen-bess.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">under Queen Elizabeth I<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/03\/444-irish-catholic-martyrs-heroic-confessors.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">444 Irish martyrs<\/a>. Often, these executions for the \u201ctreasonous\u201d crime of being a Catholic or a Catholic priest utilized the most barbaric, inhuman tortures, such as (notoriously), being hanged, drawn, and quartered, involving, in the worst cases, being disemboweled or having their hearts cut out, or both arms and legs cut off while still alive.<\/p>\n<p>But we mustn\u2019t think that all such executions were done out of hatred. There is a case that can be made for the <em>general notion<\/em> of capital punishment for heresy. I wrote about this in my paper, <a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/02\/inquisition-its-purpose-and-rationale.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Inquisition: Its Purpose and Rationale Within the Medi\u00e6val Worldview<\/a> [2-21-06]:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the Middle Ages, all heresy was pretty much regarded as obstinacy and in bad faith; evil will, etc. The Church today takes a much more psychologically nuanced approach: much heresy is believed in good faith; hence the adherent is less culpable; hence not guilty enough to be punished, etc. (i.e., on the human level: divine judgment being something else altogether). We have also learned that coercion is pointless, which was the original Christian position, anyway . . .<\/p>\n<p>The medievals believed (with a great degree of justification from a Christian perspective) that heresy can be every bit as dangerous to individuals and societies as physical crime is (in fact, much more so, assuming the background premises). This inner principle has remained the same, while the application and particular understanding of it has undergone positive development. The belief that heresy is bad and soul-destroying is altogether in effect today in Catholicism, just as it always has been. But the understanding of the motives of the heretic and thereby the treatment or punishment changed (along with the relationship of church and state in modern societies). . . .<\/p>\n<p>The killing of heretics was based on the notion that they were a menace to society, and would cause untold harm to society and souls, because in those days, heresy was considered as harmful and dangerous (if not more so) than physical crime is today. Humanists believe that the body dies and that is it. Christians believe that a deliberate, obstinate heretic will burn in hell forever; hence the high importance placed on preventing the spread of heresy. . . .<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think that the Inquisition can or should be absolutely defended by the Catholic apologist. I don\u2019t try to do that. I don\u2019t like the Inquisition at all myself (as I view coercion in matters of religion and conscience as a contradiction in terms \u2013 precisely the position of Vatican II). But to say that there is no \u201cessential\u201d difference between the Inquisition and Communism or the Nazi Holocaust (as some critics of Christianity or Catholicism in particular try to do) is patently ludicrous and preposterous. . . .<\/p>\n<p>The Church has come to realize that the rights of individual freedom and conscience are relatively more important than temporal punishment of heretics (because the causes of heresy are regarded as extremely complex and not given to harsh and swift judgment).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div>\n<p>Christians of all stripes thought that religion was supremely important, and that fostering their brand of religion was good for souls and society. So they persecuted to the death, according to those goals, as they saw it, and Protestants and Catholics fought wars with each other almost continuously for 125 years or so, ending with the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Peace_of_Westphalia\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Peace of Westphalia<\/a> in 1648, which \u201cended the\u00a0<a title=\"Thirty Years' War\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Thirty_Years%27_War\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Thirty Years\u2019 War<\/a>\u00a0(1618\u20131648) and\u00a0<a title=\"Eighty Years' War\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Eighty_Years%27_War\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Eighty Years\u2019 War<\/a>\u00a0(1568\u20131648), and brought peace to the\u00a0<a title=\"Holy Roman Empire\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Holy_Roman_Empire\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Holy Roman Empire<\/a>, closing a calamitous period of European history that killed approximately eight million people.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I would trace the secularism that currently plagues all formerly Christian countries in the West as deriving from that time. The notion was that religious conflicts could not ever be solved. Everyone was exhausted by the endless fighting. It was basically decided that religion wasn\u2019t worth fighting for anymore, and that every man ought to be free to believe and practice as he wished (except in England, where severe persecution against Catholics continued another 80 years). The French Revolution and so-called \u201cEnlightenment\u201d continued this rejection of the importance of religion, and fostered a rapidly increasing secularism.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, total freedom of religion was the extreme reaction to the killing and capital punishment. One extreme to the other . . . It was now thought that no one (no matter how high of an authority) should tell anyone else how to believe, or guide them: at least not in an infallible, binding manner, and that religion was merely personal and subjective and had no particular relevance to larger society. But with that new understanding, came the advent of all the new heretical cults in the 19th century in America.<\/p>\n<p>I believe that this thinking of \u201cabsolute religious freedom\u201d (along with the prior <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> and its related idea of perspicuity or clearness of Scripture) lies behind much of the Protestant root assumption that individual Bible study must not be prohibited for anyone, and that anyone has the \u201cright\u201d to read the Bible without religious authority guiding it or limiting it to some standard of \u201corthodoxy.\u201d Thus, decrees of the Catholic Church that seek this are automatically viewed as repressive \u201canti-biblical\u201d \/ \u201cfear of the Bible\u201d measures. Yet <em>the Bible itself<\/em> never teaches any such thing, as already shown above.<\/p>\n<p>Rightly or wrongly, Catholics and Protestants both now agree that religious freedom is a bedrock right and privilege. It was considered relatively better to allow religious liberty (though the Catholic Church always strongly suggests being guided by the Church, so as to remain orthodox), despite the dangers of heresy, than it was to persecute for what was considered heretical and dangerous belief. Neither approach is absolute or without serious problems. But both sides now advocate freedom of religion.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s why I have to defend what the Catholic Church decreed in the past, because it can\u2019t be <em>comprehended<\/em>, given our present premises about religious freedom. I have to \u201cget inside the thinking\u201d of that time and try to objectively analyze it, rather than condemn it out of hand as outrageous and indefensible. This isn\u2019t easy, because I myself, as an apologist, passionately advocate religious freedom and tolerance all around, while opposing what I think is theological error. But it\u2019s necessary and important to do: out of charity towards my Christian brothers \u2014 Catholic and Protestant \u2014 in the past.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The Constitution is very clear, the Church of Rome prohibited the reading of Sacred Scripture by all Christians, by all men. This echoes the canons of the Council of Trent, in the Section Concerning Prohibited Books, Rule IV which says:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">While it is evident from experience that, if sacred books are allowed indiscriminately in the common language, more harm than good accrues from them on account of the temerity of men, in this respect it depends on the discretion of the bishop or inquisitor, so that, with the on the advice of the parish priest or confessor, those who consider that they have not suffered harm, but an increase in faith and piety from such reading, grant them the reading of books translated by Catholic authors into the vulgar language; what power they can have with regard to the scriptures. But whoever dares to read them without such power, cannot obtain absolution from his sins, unless he has first returned the books to the ordinary. But the booksellers, who will sell the Bible written in the vulgar language, from the same bishop. But the regulars should not have the power to read them or buy them, unless they have the power to do so from their prelates.<\/span> [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikisource.org\/wiki\/Canons_and_Decrees_of_the_Council_of_Trent\/Second_Part\/Concerning_Prohibited_Books\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">link<\/a>]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">It is understood by reading the two documents that deal with the same topic, that the reading is only for authorized people, who have a certain type of knowledge, that is, the simple person cannot have a Bible at home, much less make their own reading without suffering a sanction from the Church of Rome.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I think that\u2019s reading too much into it. The key phrase is \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">if sacred books are allowed <em>indiscriminately<\/em> in the common language.\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">It\u2019s a question of <em>degree<\/em>. And that is justified based on my analysis above: what the Bible teaches about it, and the history of heresies arising from unrestricted application of the principles of<em> sola Scriptura<\/em> and \u201cprivate, subjective religion with no legitimate oversight: either Catholic or Protestant. I deny the Protestant premise: that <strong><em>nothing<\/em><\/strong> bad can possibly come from such unrestricted Bible-reading. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I think it\u2019s even <em>self-evident<\/em> that that is false. Once the falsity of the premise is granted, then it can be comprehended why the Catholic Church felt led to make such decrees and what motivated it to do so (the good of souls , rather than \u2014 as Protestant anti-Catholic myths would have it \u2014 its own supposed lust for power and fear of the vernacular Bible).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">This is confirmed by the quotes from apologist Jimmy Akin made by Armstrong. The apologist says when commenting on the condemnation of thesis number 79:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">79. It is useful and necessary at all times, in all places and for all types of people, to study and know the spirit, piety and mysteries of Sacred Scripture. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #008000;\"> The most problematic word Quesnel put in this proposition is \u201cnecessary\u201d. Is it really necessary that at all times, in all places, all kinds of people should study the mysteries of Holy Scripture? . . . <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #008000;\">Similar problems recur if we focus on the useful word. Is it really useful at all times, in all places, for all kinds of people? And those who are not ready?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Akin is correct. It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> necessary to this extreme: <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cat<\/span> <span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">all times, in all places and for all types of people . . .\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">The condemnation dealt with a proposition that was extreme and obviously false in the first place.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Here it is clear that the Church of Rome does think that there are people who do not need the reading of Scripture, <\/span><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s not true. This confuses what was stated. It\u2019s not saying that some people don\u2019t need Scripture at all. It\u2019s saying that study of the mysteries of the Bible all the time, everywhere, and by all types of people is not \u201cnecessary.\u201d These are two <em>completely different propositions<\/em>. that Francisco has illogically collapsed into one. As I said, the pope was dealing with <em>extreme<\/em> statements from Quesnel.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">but worse still, that reading the Bible is harmful to some people. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>It doesn\u2019t say that here; it is merely read into it. The Bible itself doesn\u2019t harm people, but people are harmed if they study it with false premises and false conclusions, leading to heresy that the Bible doesn\u2019t teach. That is unarguable as well.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">It is also confirmed, not only here, but throughout the text, that the Church of Rome defends that Scripture is not for all men, that knowledge is due to the few who belong to a certain group, basically this is gnosis.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Nonsense. These texts don\u2019t say that it is reserved for \u201cfew\u201d: as if it is like Gnosticism. Francisco is reading things into the documents that aren\u2019t there, due to his Protestant bias. We mustn\u2019t distort what sources state. That\u2019s fighting straw men.<\/p>\n<p>The question I have for Francisco is: why the focus on a papal document from over 300 years ago, when the Catholic Church has encouraged the widespread individual reading of Scripture since at least the 1890s? Why not rejoice that we all agree on this now, rather than revisiting past positions no longer held? What\u2019s the point? A non-infallible document from 1713 is no more relevant to Catholicism today than citing Luther\u2019s and Calvin\u2019s persecution to the death of those who believed in adult baptism is relevant to Protestantism today.\u00a0 Heaven knows we have enough <em>real<\/em> differences without concentrating on <em>imagined<\/em> ones that don\u2019t exist anymore. So why was my paper on <em>Unigenitus<\/em> chosen to refute?<\/p>\n<p>Francisco comments on Akin\u2019s commentary on #80 by saying, <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">the interpretation is Ad Hoc in order to defend the Church of Rome from something that it no longer defends, but defended in the past.\u201d<\/span> This is precisely related to the point I just made. He makes a cynical remark about Jimmy Akin\u2019s explanation of a 309-year-old fallible papal document and then notes that the Catholic Church no longer teaches what it teaches. Why, then, would he be more concerned about Jimmy\u2019s supposedly <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cad hoc\u201d<\/span> interpretation than the fact that Catholics and Protestants are joyfully in <em>basic agreement<\/em> today, and for over a hundred years, about personal Bible-reading? Is that not misplaced priorities?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>Francisco objects to the notion \u2014 described by Akin \u2014 that of a bunch of negative general judgments stated in <em>Unigenitus<\/em>, we aren\u2019t sure which apply to which propositions. But if that\u2019s the nature of the document it <em>is<\/em>. Obviously, exactitude was not of the essence of the document. It was a general condemnation of some false notions. <span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\">This very vagueness, however, is another proof that the document is <em>not infallible<\/em> and binding forever, as Lawrence King and Robert T. Miller explain in their article, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thepublicdiscourse.com\/2019\/02\/49141\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span lang=\"en\">\u201c<\/span>On Integralism, Religious Liberty, and the Authority of the Church: 19th Century Popes and 20th Century Popes Disagreed\u201d<\/a> (<em>Public Discourse<\/em>, 2-2-19):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And consider the constitution\u00a0<em>Unigenitus<\/em>\u00a0of 1713 (DS 2400-2502), in which Pope Clement XI condemned one hundred one propositions from a book by the Jansenist theologian Pasquier Quesnel. Unlike\u00a0<em>Auctorem fidei<\/em>, which specifies the precise theological censure for each item,\u00a0<em>Unigenitus<\/em> presents a list of Quesnel\u2019s statements, and then offers a bevy of censures without indicating which censure applies to which proposition: . . .<\/p>\n<p>All these propositions are\u00a0<em>errores<\/em>\u00a0in the original Latin sense: they \u201cwander\u201d or \u201cstray\u201d from the best path, and the pope is concerned because Catholics are being misled by them. Some are false, and some are even heretical. However, others are condemned merely as \u201coffensive to pious ears\u201d or \u201crash\u201d \u2014theological censures that do not completely rule out the possibility that these propositions might actually be\u00a0<em>true<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Catholics eager for certitude may wonder why Clement would condemn a list of propositions without specifying what\u2019s wrong with each of them in a permanent, definitive manner. Recall that, as Vatican I taught, a pope has no source of new revelation. Before issuing a definitive judgment, a pope must investigate the matter and reach certainty regarding the truth. This may take a long time. For example, Trent deliberately remained neutral concerning the Immaculate Conception of Mary, which was being debated by theologians at the time; it would take three more centuries before the Church was ready to issue an infallible judgment on the matter.<\/p>\n<p><em>Unigenitus<\/em>\u00a0does what Clement intended it to do: warn Catholics of ideas that were circulating and presented various dangers. If Clement had insisted that each of these hundred-and-one propositions be analyzed to the point that he could infallibly declare exactly what was wrong with it\u2014whether it was false, or subject to misinterpretation, or true yet \u201coffensive to pious ears\u201d \u2014how many decades would have passed before the document could have been released?<\/p>\n<p>Papal documents condemning erroneous propositions are common enough to constitute their own genre, with variations in their arrangement. In one variation, a specific censure is attached to each thesis. Documents of this type include\u00a0<em>Auctorem fidei<\/em>\u00a0as well as\u00a0<em>In agro dominico<\/em>\u00a0(John XXII, 1329),\u00a0<em>Ex supernae clementiae<\/em>\u00a0(Urban V, 1368), and\u00a0<em>Cum occasione<\/em>\u00a0(Innocent X, 1653). In another variation, there are no individual censures, but only a global condemnation. This variation is more common and includes\u00a0<em>Exsurge Domine<\/em>\u00a0(Leo X, 1520),\u00a0<em>Ex omnibus<\/em>\u00a0(Pius V, 1567),\u00a0<em>Cum alias<\/em>\u00a0(Innocent XII, 1699),\u00a0<em>Unigenitus<\/em>, and several others.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Let\u2019s admit that this explains nothing, for if the purpose of an Apostolic Constitution is to exhort the faithful and establish a teaching of faith for the flock, then how can I exhort if I don\u2019t know what condemnation each thesis falls into? The truth is that if all of them don\u2019t fall under all the damning adjectives, at least most of them fall, that would be the natural reading of the text.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>It is sufficient to serve its purpose, which was, according to the article above, to \u201cwarn Catholics of ideas that were circulating and presented various dangers.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">My view on this interpretation is that the apologist makes a defense of the document, but wants to water down his condemnation so it doesn\u2019t look like what the document actually is: a full condemnation of the reading of Scripture by all believers without exception.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is referring to #84 of <em>Unigenitus<\/em>. Remember, it\u2019s not the document initially saying what is included in #84. It is condemning a false proposition by Quesnel, a Jansenist heretic. Therefore, #84 is <em>his<\/em> characterization of what the Catholic Church has done (that Akin characterized as \u201ccaptious\u201d): not any statement <em>from the Church herself<\/em> of its view on private Bible-reading. Here it is from the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Enchiridion-Symbolorum-Compendium-Definitions-Declarations\/dp\/0898707463\/ref=sr_1_7\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">latest (2012) version of Denzinger<\/a>, edited and translated by my very good friend (he\u2019s been at my house many times and I regularly correspond with him), the systematic theologian, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shms.edu\/content\/dr-robert-fastiggi\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Robert Fastiggi<\/a>, of Sacred Heart Seminary in Detroit (I have a hard copy in my library):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>84. To snatch away from the hands of Christians the New Testament or to hold it closed against them by taking away from them the means of understanding it is to close for them the mouth of Christ. \u2014 Mt 5:2. (p. 504)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">More importantly, the author confirms my central point: the Church of Rome forbade the reading of Sacred Scripture by laypeople. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>Where? It has never made such a statement, applicable to<em> all<\/em> <strong><em>lay<\/em><\/strong> Catholics. If I am mistaken, and it <em>has<\/em> done so, I\u2019ll have to be <em>shown<\/em> that.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Reading Holy Scripture is not for everyone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>That is what <em>has<\/em> been said, at various times and in particular historical, geographical situations. But it\u2019s perfectly defensible from the Bible and the history of false doctrine, as I did above. This sentence contradicts the previous one (unless it is a translation issue, which may be the case).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Mr. Armstrong is implying that no Roman Catholic was forbidden to read Scripture, whether lay or clerical . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I am <em>not<\/em> stating that, as explained. Once again, when I stated in my Summary at the end that <em>Unigenitus<\/em> didn\u2019t <span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cforbid Bible reading\u201d<\/span> I meant <strong><em>altogether<\/em><\/strong>, not in isolated instances or with certain undereducated types of people.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Jimmy Akin, while trying to lighten the condemnation, was very honest intellectually in assuming that the Church of Rome does not advocate that all people read Scripture<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Since I cited him in complete agreement, and since he is my friend (who is looking over my latest book right now, as part of its editing process), then it\u2019s quite obvious I have no disagreement with him on this score. To imply otherwise is dead wrong. Francisco has simply misunderstood one or more of my statements (again, it may be a translation issue; always possible).<\/p>\n<p>Vatican II and Pope Francis can and do contradict <em>Unigenitus<\/em> on this matter because the later is not an infallible document. That can be said, but saying that this is some problem with Catholic authority only betrays ignorance as to how it works. Nothing contradicts Trent in terms of Catholic authority and infallibility, etc., because that, too, was disciplinary: which instructions can and do change. Francisco is \u201cbarking up the wrong tree\u201d, as we say in English.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">nothing is seen in his article about the Bibles sold in Catholic stores for anyone to buy, in addition to the fact that no one today is excommunicated for having a Protestant translation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>He must not have read these two paragraphs near the end:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It\u00a0<em>is<\/em>\u00a0true, on the other hand, that in time the Catholic Church did become much more\u00a0<em>open<\/em>\u00a0to Bible study, reading, and even some non-Catholic translations (with some warnings and stipulations). The\u00a0<em>emphasis<\/em>\u00a0became more\u00a0<em>positive<\/em>\u00a0rather than \u201cnegative\u201d in the sense that errors had to be vigorously condemned in order to protect the Catholic flock. It was time for a different\u00a0<em>approach<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Hence, along those lines we have the famous papal encyclicals\u00a0<i><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/leo-xiii\/en\/encyclicals\/documents\/hf_l-xiii_enc_18111893_providentissimus-deus.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Providentissimus Deus<\/a>\u00a0<\/i>(Pope Leo XIII: 1893) and\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Divino_afflante_Spiritu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>Divino afflante Spiritu\u00a0<\/i><\/a>(Pope Pius XII: 1943) and many other similar Church documents since then, including the wonderful reflections of Vatican II, the saint-popes (John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II) and the excellent biblical exegesis of Pope Benedict XVI.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>I didn\u2019t use the exact terms he described, but the basic idea is the same. Francisco is getting <em>way<\/em> off course by this point of his article. It\u2019s almost like he is not even responding to me at this point. The misunderstanding has gotten very deep. Hopefully, this reply will clarify my true positions.<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cBibles sold in Catholic stores\u201d comment is <em>really<\/em> funny, once one discovers (as Francisco will now) that my <em>bestselling book<\/em> of all 50 so far is <em>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/New-Catholic-Answer-Bible-American\/dp\/1592761860\/ref=sr_1_1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">New Catholic Answer Bible<\/a><\/em> (2005), which contains 44 of my apologetics inserts and also got an Imprimatur from a bishop. I also put out my own New Testament, which was simply my editing of various British English translations to maintain the \u201cKing James\u201d and 19th-century British \u201cflavor\u201d: my <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-victorian-king-james-version-of-the-new-testament-a-selection-for-lovers-of-elizabethan-and-victorian-literature.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Victorian King James Version<\/a><\/em> (2014).<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Only one of the two is right: either <em>Unigenitus<\/em> is right or the Pope is in heresy and the Church of Rome is colluding with the mistake of selling Bibles to anyone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Once again: <em>Unigenitus<\/em> was not infallible. There is <strong><em>no<\/em><\/strong> issue or problem here. The discipline about Bible-reading changed in the 1880s onwards and now the positive good gained by private Bible-reading is considered a net gain compared to the danger of arriving at heretical views. I\u2019m absolutely delighted by the present view of the Church, because it has always been my view, too. All this is, is a straw man. Francisco can certainly do better than <em>that<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">. . . the magisterium of Rome contradicts itself in allowing what was previously infallibly forbidden.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>It wasn\u2019t<em> infallibly<\/em> forbidden. His premise is wrong, which is why he\u2019s out to sea without a life jacket in arguing this point. The very vagueness of the exact condemnation of the propositions in <em>Unigenitus<\/em> proves that. So does their disciplinary (not doctrinal) nature. It\u2019s simply yet another case of an otherwise educated Protestant not knowing how infallibility works in the Catholic Church. There are many subtleties and nuances involved.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s okay not to know. We all have to learn lots of things. What matters now is whether Francisco accepts my clarifications of what we actually teach. If he doesn\u2019t and claims that I don\u2019t know what I\u2019m talking about (as a professional, published Catholic apologist for 21 years), then our dialogue will be over, because it would go nowhere after that. If he wants to do a book with me, he\u2019s going to have to do a much better job than this, because I would never agree to being in a book with a Protestant, where the Protestant misrepresents what we actually teach and believe.<\/p>\n<p>After this, he keeps repeating the same falsehoods over and over: that supposedly the Catholic Church <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">forbade the reading of Scripture to everyone <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[besides clergy]<\/span> without exception\u201d \/ \u201c<\/span><\/span><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">the question is whether reading must be forbidden to all, that we deny\u201d<\/span>,\u00a0 <\/span><span class=\"Y2IQFc\" lang=\"en\">etc. Repeating an untrue statement over and over doesn\u2019t make it any less false or more true. If he doesn\u2019t modify his misunderstanding on this, our dialogue is definitely over. I wouldn\u2019t have anywhere near the patience to continue. Rule #1 in any debate \/ dialogue is understanding and accurately conveying the opponent\u2019s views.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>The Calvinist TULIP is not our topic. But I will note (since it\u2019s been brought up) that I have shown the unbiblical nature of all five points many times in scores of articles on my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2011\/10\/calvinism-and-general-protestantism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Calvinism<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/salvation-justification-faith-alone.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Salvation<\/a> web pages, and in three books:<\/p>\n<p><i><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2010\/03\/books-by-dave-armstrong-biblical.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Biblical Catholic Answers for John Calvin<\/a>\u00a0<\/i>(March 2010, 388p)<\/p>\n<p><i><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2010\/10\/books-by-dave-armstrong-biblical.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Biblical Catholic Salvation: \u201cFaith Working Through Love\u201d<\/a>\u00a0<\/i>(Oct. 2010, 187p)<\/p>\n<p><i><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2012\/10\/book-by-dave-armstrong-biblical.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">A Biblical Critique of Calvinism<\/a>\u00a0<\/i>(Oct. 2012, 178p) [which may soon be possibly translated into Portugese]<\/p>\n<p>Nor is the topic predestination and our supposed semi-Pelagianism (a tired and false old saw of anti-Catholic rhetoric), nor ecumenical councils, nor sedevacantists, nor divisions in the Church \u201con the ground\u201d, nor the nature of sacred tradition, nor <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>. This is just the \u201cthrow a bunch of horse manure at the Catholic Church at one time, and hope some sticks\u201d technique. I don\u2019t play that game. Try that with amateur or rookie apologists. It never works with me. I discuss one topic at a time.<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Practical Matters<\/em><\/strong>: Perhaps some of my 4,000+ free online articles (the most comprehensive \u201cone-stop\u201d Catholic apologetics site) or\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">fifty books<\/a>\u00a0have helped you (by God\u2019s grace) to decide to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">become Catholic<\/a>\u00a0or to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">return to the Church<\/a>,\u00a0or better understand some doctrines and\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/02\/the-biblical-basis-of-apologetics-defense-of-christianity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>why<\/em>\u00a0we believe them<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Or you may believe my work is worthy to support for the purpose of apologetics and evangelism in general. If so, please seriously consider a much-needed financial contribution. I\u2019m always in need of more funds: especially\u00a0<em>monthly<\/em>\u00a0support. \u201cThe laborer is worthy of his wages\u201d (1 Tim 5:18, NKJV). 1 December 2021 was my 20th anniversary as a\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/my-literary-resume.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">full-time Catholic apologist<\/a>,\u00a0and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.com\/us\/webapps\/mpp\/sem\/account-selection-signup\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">PayPal donations<\/a>\u00a0are the easiest: just send to my email address: apologistdave@gmail.com. You\u2019ll see the term \u201cCatholic Used Book Service\u201d, which is my old side-business. To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong> from the bottom of my heart!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>***<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong> [<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/en\/bible-study-read-learn-know-books-839093\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pixabay<\/a>\u00a0\/\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/pixabay.com\/en\/service\/terms\/#usage\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">CC0 public domain<\/a>]<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>***<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><em>Summary<\/em>: Brazilian Calvinist apologist Francisco Tourinho attempts to prove that the Catholic Church took a very dim view of lay Bible-reading. He fails rather miserably.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Examining the Presuppositions That Lie Behind Past Catholic Recommended Restrictions on Individual Bible Reading Francisco Tourinho\u00a0is a Brazilian Calvinist apologist. He described his theological credentials\u00a0on my Facebook page: I have the respect of the academic community for my articles published in peer review magazines, translation of unpublished classical works into Portuguese and also the production [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":64775,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[31],"tags":[537,534,16224,13657,542,16239,540,16232,539,535,16227,13661,536,13675,538,13664,541],"class_list":["post-64772","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible-and-tradition","tag-catholic-church-and-scripture","tag-catholic-church-and-the-bible","tag-catholic-church-versus-the-bible","tag-censorship-of-the-bible","tag-chained-bibles","tag-church-vs-the-bible","tag-english-bible","tag-francisco-tourinho","tag-german-bible","tag-holy-bible","tag-is-catholicism-an-enemy-of-the-bible","tag-medieval-catholic-church-scripture","tag-sacred-scripture","tag-unigenitus","tag-vernacular-bible-translations","tag-vernacular-bibles","tag-vulgate"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>\u201cChurch vs. the Bible\u201d (vs. Francisco Tourinho) \u201cChurch vs. the Bible\u201d (vs. Francisco Tourinho)<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Examining the Presuppositions That Lie Behind Past Catholic Recommended Restrictions on Individual Bible Reading Francisco Tourinho\u00a0is a Brazilian Brazilian Calvinist apologist Francisco Tourinho attempts to prove that the Catholic Church took a very dim view of lay Bible-reading. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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