{"id":66163,"date":"2022-08-30T14:14:16","date_gmt":"2022-08-30T18:14:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=66163"},"modified":"2022-12-14T13:19:09","modified_gmt":"2022-12-14T17:19:09","slug":"atheist-jonathan-ms-pearces-straw-man-global-flood","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/08\/atheist-jonathan-ms-pearces-straw-man-global-flood.html","title":{"rendered":"Atheist Jonathan MS Pearce&#8217;s Straw Man Global Flood"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/08\/FloodWaterfall.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-66166\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2022\/08\/FloodWaterfall-300x198.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"198\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Atheist <strong>Jonathan MS Pearce<\/strong>\u00a0runs the blog,\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/author\/jpearce\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>A Tippling Philosopher<\/em><\/a>. He has in the past encouraged me to visit his site and offer critiques, and wrote under <a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/tippling\/2021\/12\/14\/my-thanks-before-chapter-4-begins\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a post dated 12-14-21<\/a>: <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI even need to thank the naysayers. . . . Dave, you are welcome at my new place. Come challenge me. . . . thanks for your critiques of my pieces.\u201d<\/span> Again, in\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/jpearce\/why-matthews-guards-at-jesus-tomb-are-so-important\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a post dated 1-27-22<\/a>, he stated:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI do welcome disagreements because I don\u2019t want [my blog] to [be] just an echo chamber. . . . [S]omeone like Armstrong does give me ammunition for some of my pieces!\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I replied (usually point-by-point) to Pearce\u2019s arguments <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=pearce\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">72 times<\/a>. He made some sort of response to maybe one-quarter of those and our relations seemed cordial enough. But when I provided him with several \u201cmeaty\u201d critiques in February 2022, he wrote\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/jpearce\/what-would-jesus-literally-do-that-is-the-question\/#viafoura_comment_section\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">on 3-1-22<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT. Please stop this. All you are doing is spouting the absolutely debunked drivel apologetics that my book takes to task. . . . I welcome your comments, but these are totally off-topic and you show absolutely no desire to interact with my own material . . .<\/span> [caps his own]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\">Despite this disappointing display (at which point I quietly left his blog for good, out of consideration for him, lest he have a heart attack or a stroke), I continue to think that he\u2019s basically a nice guy. I think we\u2019d have a great time in a pub over beer.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">Presently, I am critiquing Jonathan\u2019s insistence on bashing the global or universal or worldwide conception of the Flood of Noah, <em>as if it is the mainstream (or biblical) position<\/em>. It\u2019s <em>not<\/em>. In logic, we call that a straw man. Here is what he wrote in his article, <a href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/jpearce\/noahs-flood-is-a-heinous-story\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cNoah\u2019s flood is a heinous story\u201d<\/a> (<em>OnlySky<\/em>, 8-8-22):<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">And don\u2019t get me started on how it <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[a global Flood] i<\/span>s not physically or practically possible by any stretch of the imagination. Moreover, there is simply no evidence for a global flood or even a large regional flood<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/jpearce\/armstrong-the-genesis-flood-contradictions-and-multiple-sources\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">that some theists<\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">will<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/jpearce\/ruddy-flood-thing-again-and-armstrong\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">try to argue<\/a> [links to his replies to me on this topic] <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">(a theory that makes equally little sense).<\/span><\/p>\n<aside><\/aside>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But let\u2019s focus on the global flood. The one described in the Bible is a terrible event. Of course, this is mythology. It is obviously mythology. But an awful lot of people still believe that it is literally and historically true.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">First of all, this involved the death of everyone on Earth bar eight. . . . the entire global population. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">And that doesn\u2019t even begin to consider the sheer volume of animal death throughout the globe. Every animal bar two<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">(<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/onlysky.media\/jpearce\/the-flood-myth-contradictions-explained-by-the-documentary-hypothesis\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">or seven, depending on which source you read<\/a><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">) dies.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">Once again, I will provide basically the same argument that I already submitted to Jonathan and his buddies several times. I noted that the <em>Catholic Encyclopedia<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/04702a.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">way back in 1908<\/a>, was already describing the global flood opinion as scientifically and exegetically obsolete:<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<blockquote><p>Till about the seventeenth century, it was generally believed that the Deluge had been geographically universal, . . . But two hundred years of\u00a0theological\u00a0and scientific study devoted to the question have thrown so much light on it that we may now defend the following conclusions:<\/p>\n<p><strong>The geographical universality of the Deluge may be safely abandoned<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Neither\u00a0Sacred Scripture\u00a0nor universal\u00a0ecclesiastical tradition, nor again\u00a0scientific\u00a0considerations, render it advisable to adhere to the opinion that the Flood covered the whole surface of the earth. . . .<\/p>\n<p>There are also certain scientific considerations which oppose the view that the Flood was geographically universal. Not that\u00a0science\u00a0opposes any difficulty insuperable to the power of\u00a0God; but it draws attention to a number of most extraordinary, if not\u00a0miraculous\u00a0phenomena involved in the admission of a geographically universal Deluge. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<p>Some Christians (along with biblical skeptics and atheists) assume that the biblical account of Noah\u2019s Flood, or the Deluge can <em>only<\/em> be interpreted hyper-literally; in other words, as referring to a global catastrophic event in which the entire world was literally covered with an amount of water so deep that every mountain (including Mt. Everest: 29,032 feet = 5.5 miles elevation above sea level) was covered.<\/p>\n<p>The consensus of both Catholic and Protestant biblical scholars for well over a century has been that the interpretation of a local Flood is perfectly in accord with the best exegetical and hermeneutical principles of biblical interpretation. In other words, it\u2019s not \u201cbiblical skepticism\u201d or \u201cliberal theology\u201d to believe in the local Flood.<\/p>\n<p>Baptist theologian\u00a0Bernard Ramm\u2019s immensely influential book, <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/stream\/christianviewofscienceandscripture\/christianviewofscienceandscripture_djvu.txt\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>The Christian View of Science and Scripture<\/em><\/a> (hardcover edition, published by Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan, in 1954; reprinted in 1966) represented mainstream evangelical (as opposed to \u201cfundamentalist\u201d) Protestant, post-World War II thinking. Ramm argued:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>To cover the highest mountains would require eight times more water than we now have. It would have involved a great creation of water to have covered the entire globe, but no such creative act is hinted at in the Scriptures. (p. 244)<\/p>\n<p>Getting rid of such a vast amount of water would have been as miraculous as providing it. If the entire world were under six miles of water, there would be no place for the water to drain off. Yet the record states that the water drained off with the help of the wind (Gen. 8:1). A local flood would readily account for this, but there is no answer if the entire world were under water. (p. 245)<\/p>\n<p>The flood was local to the Mesopotamian valley. (p. 249)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<p>Dr. Ramm discussed the question of frequent biblical non-literal, hyperbolic (exaggerated) language:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Fifteen minutes with a Bible concordance will reveal many instances in which universality of language is used but only a partial quantity is meant. All does not mean every last one in all of its usages. Psa. 22:17 reads: \u201cI may tell all my bones,\u201d and hardly means that every single bone of the skeleton stood out prominently. John 4:39 cannot mean that Jesus completely recited the woman\u2019s biography. Matt. 3:5 cannot mean that every single individual from Judea and Jordan came to John the Baptist. There are cases where all means all, and every means every, but the context tells us where this is intended. Thus, special reference may be made to Paul\u2019s statement in Romans about the universality of sin, yet even that \u201call\u201d excludes Jesus Christ.<\/p>\n<p>The universality of the flood simply means the universality of the experience of the man who reported it. When God tells the Israelites He will put the fear of them upon the people under the whole heaven, it refers to all the peoples known to the Israelites (Deut. 2:25). When Gen. 41:57 states that all countries came to Egypt to buy grain, it can only mean all peoples known to the Egyptians. Ahab certainly did not look for Elijah in every country of the earth even though the text says he looked for Elijah so thoroughly that he skipped no nation or kingdom (I Kings 18:10). From the vantage point of the observer of the flood all mountains were covered, and all flesh died. (pp. 240-241)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Presbyterian geologist Carol A. Hill\u2019s brilliant article,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.csun.edu\/~vcgeo005\/Carol%201.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cThe Noachian Flood: Universal or Local?\u201d<\/a> (<em>Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith<\/em>,\u00a0Volume 54, Number 3, September 2002), is a goldmine in terms of food for thought concerning a local Flood, in harmony with what we know from science. She impressively tackles the question of literal and non-literal biblical language at great length. I can only cite a small portion of it:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Earth<\/strong>. The Hebrew for \u201cearth\u201d used in Gen. 6\u20138 (and in\u00a0Gen. 2:5\u20136) is\u00a0<em>eretz<\/em>\u00a0(<em>\u2018erets<\/em>) or\u00a0<em>ad\u00e2m\u00e2h<\/em>, both of which terms\u00a0literally mean \u201cearth, ground, land, dirt, soil, or country.\u201d In no way can \u201cearth\u201d be taken to mean the planet Earth, as\u00a0in Noah\u2019s time and place, people (including the Genesis\u00a0writer) had no concept of Earth as a planet and thus had\u00a0no word for it. Their \u201cworld\u201d mainly (but not entirely)\u00a0encompassed the land of Mesopotamia\u2014a flat alluvial\u00a0plain enclosed by the mountains and high ground of Iran,\u00a0Turkey, Syria, and Saudi Arabia (Fig. 1); i.e., the lands\u00a0drained by the four rivers of Eden (Gen. 2:10\u201314). . . .<\/p>\n<p>[I]n Mesopotamia, the concept of \u201cthe land\u201d (<em>kalam<\/em>\u00a0in Sumerian) seems to have\u00a0included the entire alluvial plain. This is most likely the\u00a0correct interpretation of the term \u201cthe earth,\u201d which is\u00a0used over and over again in Gen. 6-8: the entire alluvial\u00a0plain of Mesopotamia was inundated with water. The\u00a0clincher to the word \u201cearth\u201d meaning ground or land (and\u00a0not the planet Earth) is Gen. 1:10:<em>\u00a0God called the dry land\u00a0earth<\/em>\u00a0(<em>eretz<\/em>). If God defined \u201cearth\u201d as \u201cdry land,\u201d then so\u00a0should we.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Regarding specifically the water covering \u201call the high mountains\u201d (Gen 7:19), Dr. Hill states:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[T]he Hebrew\u00a0word\u00a0<em>har<\/em>\u00a0for \u201cmountain\u201d in Gen. 7:20 . . .\u00a0can also be translated as \u201ca range of\u00a0hills\u201d or \u201chill country,\u201d implying with Gen. 7:19 that it\u00a0was\u00a0<em>\u201call the high hills\u201d<\/em>\u00a0(also\u00a0<em>har<\/em>) that were covered rather\u00a0than high mountains.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This being the case, Genesis 7:19-20 could simply refer to \u201cflood\u00a0waters . . . fifteen\u00a0cubits above the \u2018hill country\u2019 of Mesopotamia (located in the northern, Assyrian part)\u201d. The Hebrew word\u00a0<em>har<\/em>\u00a0(Strong\u2019s #2022) can indeed mean \u201chills\u201d or \u201chill country\u201d, as the\u00a0<u><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/hebrew\/2022.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon<\/em><\/a><\/u> defines it. Specifically for Genesis 7:19-20, this lexicon classifies the word as following:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>mountain<\/em>, indefinite,\u00a0Job 14:18\u00a0(\u201c\u201d\u00a0\u05e6\u05d5\u05bc\u05e8); usually plural\u00a0<em>mountains<\/em>, in General, or\u00a0<em>the mountains<\/em>, especially in poetry &amp; the higher style; often figurative;\u00a0\u05d4\u05b8\u05e8\u05b4\u05d9\u05dd,\u00a0\u05d4\u05b6\u05d4\u05b8\u05e8\u05b4\u05d9\u05dd, covered by flood\u00a0Genesis 7:20\u00a0compare\u00a0Genesis 7:19; . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In the New American Standard Version, <em>har<\/em>\u00a0is\u00a0rendered as \u201chill country\u201d\u00a0(5) many times in the Hebrew Bible: Genesis 10:30; 14:10; 31:21, 23, 25; 36:8-9; Numbers 13:17, 29; 14:40, 44-45; Deuteronomy 1:7, 19-20, 24, 41, 43-44; 2:37; 3:12, 25; Joshua 2:16, 22-23; 9:1; 10:6, 40; 11:2-3, 16; 11:21; 12:8; 13:6; 14:12; 15:48; 16:1; 17:15-16, 18; 18:12; 19:50; 20:7; 21:11, 21; 24:30, 33; Judges 1:9, 19, 34; 2:9; 3:27; 4:5; 7:24; 10:1; 12:15; 17:1, 8; 18:2, 13; 19:1, 16, 18; 1 Samuel 1:1; 9:4; 13:2; 14:22; 23:14; 2 Samuel 20:21; 1 Kings 4:8; 12:25; 2 Kings 5:22; 1 Chronicles 6:67; 2 Chronicles 13:4; 15:8; 19:4.<\/p>\n<p>The same version translates<em>\u00a0har<\/em>\u00a0as \u201chill\u201d or \u201chills\u201d nine times too: Deuteronomy 8:7; 11:11; Joshua 13:19; 18:13-14, 16; 1 Kings 16:24; 2 Kings 1:9; 4:27.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lorence_G._Collins\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Lorence G. Collins<\/a>\u00a0is a geologist and petrologist. He wrote a fascinating article,<a href=\"http:\/\/www.csun.edu\/~vcgeo005\/Collins2.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0\u201cYes, Noah\u2019s flood may have happened but not over the whole earth\u201d<\/a> (<em>Reports of the National Center for Science Education<\/em>, 2009,\u00a029(5): 38-41). It noted how the Bible habitually uses phenomenological language (including for the Flood):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Northeast and southwest of the nearly flat surface that contains the two rivers [Tigris and Euphrates], the topography rises to more than 455 m [1493 feet] in Saudi Arabia and in Iran. Calculations show that elevations of 455 m high cannot be seen beyond 86 km [53 miles] away, and these places are more than 160 km [99 miles] from the Euphrates or Tigris Rivers. Therefore, none of the high country in Saudi Arabia or Iran would be visible to a tribal chief (or Noah). On that basis, the \u201cwhole world\u201d would definitely appear to be covered with water during the Flood, and that was the \u201cwhole world\u201d for the people in this part of southeastern Mesopotamia at that time.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I found a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.mapsland.com\/asia\/iraq\/large-detailed-topographical-and-political-map-of-iraq\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">good topographical map of Mesopotamia<\/a> online; see also\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/figure\/Location-map-showing-the-Uruk-region-within-the-floodplain-of-the-Tigris-and-Euphrates-of_fig1_321466100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a second one<\/a>. One can readily observe that there is a sort of \u201cbasin\u201d in the alluvial floodplain in this area.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">The question, then, is: why does Jonathan Pearce: an intelligent man, insist on warring against straw men? If he wants to debate the consensus position of Christian thinkers of all stripes, that would be the local Flood. But he derisively dismisses that as dishonest and goes right to the global Flood. It\u2019s shoddy thinking to present the global Flood as undeniably the biblical view and that held by most Christians, when in fact it is held by only a tiny number of Christians: primarily among the sub-group commonly known as \u201cfundamentalists.\u201d<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">There are those (albeit a tiny \u2014 though very vocal and visible \u2014 number in Protestantism and even smaller number in Catholicism) who hold to older \u201cBible and science\u201d traditions and so believe in a universal Flood (i.e., water covering the entire earth to a depth higher than Mt. Everest\u2019s elevation), a young earth (6-10,000 years), flood geology (or \u201ccatastrophism\u201d), a literal six-day creation, a complete denial of any aspect of evolution (even<i>\u00a0theistic\u00a0<\/i>evolution), etc. I have nothing against such people. Some are my personal friends. They are as sincere in their beliefs as anyone else and seek to hold a \u201chigh\u201d view of biblical inspiration and the Christian faith (as I do). I simply think they are wrong on many levels.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<p>But by no means can they be said (sociologically) to be \u201cmainstream\u201d or representative of the consensus of Christian thought or the entirety of Christianity regarding Noah\u2019s Flood. And this is my <em>point<\/em>. Jonathan and many atheists pretend and falsely claim that they <em>do<\/em> represent that. Essentially, they attempt to collapse or reduce all of Christianity to the tiny number who hold to fundamentalism and \u201chyper-literal\u201d views of biblical exegesis.<\/p>\n<p>Atheists don\u2019t speak for Christians, and almost never present accurately understand or convey in their critiques what the best thinkers in Christianity believe. We Christians speak for ourselves, thank you. If the best atheists can do is only battle against caricatures and straw men when they tackle Christianity and the Bible, then I suggest that they need to better understand the meaning of good dialogue and debate.<\/p>\n<p>Every middle school debating team learns first of all that they must know their opponents\u2019 views even better than their opponents do. 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To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0from the bottom of my heart!<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong>\u00a0[<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pxfuel.com\/en\/free-photo-qsmzs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">PxFuel<\/a>\u00a0\/ free for commercial use]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: Atheist Jonathan MS Pearce wrongly assumes that a global Flood is the mainstream Christian position and undeniably the biblical teaching. It\u2019s neither.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Atheist Jonathan MS Pearce\u00a0runs the blog,\u00a0A Tippling Philosopher. He has in the past encouraged me to visit his site and offer critiques, and wrote under a post dated 12-14-21: \u201cI even need to thank the naysayers. . . . Dave, you are welcome at my new place. Come challenge me. . . . thanks for [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":66166,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[124,448],"tags":[15317,4129,1043,258,522,1472,1473,525,524,6723,15311,15314,1633,1878,11874,3967,535,140,4107,3968,15320,1362,165,166,167,14093,16471],"class_list":["post-66163","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atheism-agnosticism","category-jews-judaism-old-testament","tag-all-in-the-bible","tag-alleged-bible-contradictions","tag-anti-theism","tag-atheism","tag-atheist-biblical-exegesis","tag-atheists-the-bible","tag-atheists-theology","tag-bible-contradictions","tag-bible-difficulties","tag-biblical-hyperbole","tag-biblical-literary-forms","tag-biblical-metaphor","tag-biblical-skeptics","tag-biblical-theology","tag-deluge","tag-global-flood","tag-holy-bible","tag-infallibility","tag-jonathan-ms-pearce","tag-local-flood","tag-mesopotamian-flood","tag-noah","tag-noahs-ark","tag-noahs-flood","tag-the-flood","tag-universal-flood","tag-worldwide-flood"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Atheist Jonathan MS Pearce&#039;s Straw Man Global Flood Atheist Jonathan MS Pearce&#039;s Straw Man Global Flood<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Atheist Jonathan MS Pearce\u00a0runs the blog,\u00a0A Tippling Philosopher. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. 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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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