{"id":67504,"date":"2022-11-14T13:04:49","date_gmt":"2022-11-14T17:04:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=67504"},"modified":"2023-02-21T14:51:39","modified_gmt":"2023-02-21T18:51:39","slug":"defense-of-immortal-conscious-souls-vs-lucas-banzoli-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/11\/defense-of-immortal-conscious-souls-vs-lucas-banzoli-8.html","title":{"rendered":"Defense of Immortal, Conscious Souls (vs. Lucas Banzoli): #8"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

8. Banzoli\u2019s Soul Sleep Leads Him to Believe That the Soul of Jesus Christ \u201cDied\u201d \u2014 Didn\u2019t Exist \u2014 Between His Death and Resurrection, and That He was Unconscious in His Human Nature During That Time<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Lucas Banzoli<\/a> is a very active Brazilian anti-Catholic polemicist, who holds to basically a Seventh-Day Adventist theology, whereby there is no such thing as a soul that consciously exists outside of a body, and no hell (soul sleep and annihilationism). This leads him to a Christology which is deficient and heterodox in terms of Christ\u2019s human nature after His death.\u00a0He has a Master\u2019s degree in theology, a degree and postgraduate work in history, a license in letters, and is a history teacher, author of 25 books, as well as blogmaster (but now inactive) for six blogs. He\u2019s<\/span> active on YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n

This is my<\/span>\u00a042nd refutation<\/a> of Banzoli\u2019s writings. Since 5-25-22 he hadn\u2019t written one\u00a0 word<\/em> in reply, until he <\/span>responded on 11-12-22<\/a> to<\/span> Part 5<\/a> of my series on souls. Why? Because my articles are<\/span>\u00a0\u201cwithout exception poor, superficial and weak\u201d and<\/span> my<\/span> \u201cobjective\u201d was<\/span> \u201cnot to refute anything, but to exhaust [my] opponent.\u201d<\/span> Indeed, my writings are so<\/em> bad that<\/span> \u201conly a severely cognitively impaired person would be inclined to take\u201d<\/span> them<\/span> \u201cseriously.\u201d<\/span> He didn\u2019t<\/span> \u201cwaste time reading\u201d<\/span> 37 of my 40 replies (three articles are his proof of the worthlessness of all<\/em> of my 4,000+ articles and 51 books). He also denied that I had a<\/span> \u201cjob\u201d and claimed that I didn\u2019t<\/span> \u201cwork.\u201d I disposed of these and other slanderous insults on my Facebook page<\/a> on 11-13-22. But Banzoli thought that replying to me was so \u201centertaining\u201d<\/span> that he\u2019ll \u201cmake a point of rebutting\u201d<\/span> my articles \u201cone by one.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

My current effort is a major multi-part response to Banzoli\u2019s 1900-page self-published book,<\/span> The Legend of the Immortality of the Soul<\/em><\/a>\u00a0[A Lenda da Imortalidade da Alma<\/em>], published on 1 August 2022.\u00a0 He claims to have<\/span>\u00a0\u201ccover[ed] in depth all the immortalist arguments\u201d<\/span>\u00a0and to have<\/span>\u00a0\u201cpresent[ed] all the biblical proofs of the death of the soul . . .\u201d<\/span>\u00a0and he confidently asserted:<\/span>\u00a0\u201cthe immortality of the soul is at the root of almost all destructive deception and false religion.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0He himself admits on page 18 of his Introduction that what he is opposing is held by<\/span>\u00a0\u201cnearly all the Christians in the world.\u201d <\/span>A sincere unbiblical error (and I assume his sincerity) is no less dangerous than a deliberate lie, and we apologists will be \u201cjudged with greater strictness\u201d for any false teachings that we spread (Jas 3:1).<\/span><\/p>\n

I use RSV for the Bible passages (including ones that Banzoli cites) unless otherwise indicated. Google Translate is utilized to render Lucas\u2019 Portugese into English. Occasionally I slightly modify clearly inadequate translations, so that his words will read more smoothly and meaningfully in English. His words will be in<\/span> blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n

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See the other installments:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0#1 Preliminaries<\/a>\u00a0[11-1-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#2 Genesis 2:7 and the Hebrew \/ Biblical Idiom of Synecdoche<\/a>\u00a0[11-4-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#3 Hebrew, Nephesh<\/em>\u00a0[So<\/em><\/a>ul<\/em>]: Massive Figurative Biblical Use<\/a>\u00a0[11-7-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#4 Revelation 6:9: \u201cSouls\u201d in Heaven \/ 16 Biblical Proofs for Conscious Souls After Death<\/a>\u00a0[11-9-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#5 Revelation 6:9: \u201cSouls\u201d in Heaven Redux<\/a>\u00a0[11-11-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#6 Conspiracy Theories About Bibles and the Many Meanings of \u201cSoul\u201d in Holy Scripture<\/a>\u00a0[11-12-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#7 Banzoli Decides \u2014 At Last! \u2014 to Reply to My Second Post [#5] About Souls Under the Altar in Heaven\u00a0<\/a>[11-14-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#8 <\/a>Banzoli\u2019s Soul Sleep Leads Him to Believe That the Soul of Jesus Christ \u201cDied\u201d \u2014 Didn\u2019t Exist \u2014 Between His Death and Resurrection, and That He was Unconscious in His Human Nature During That Time<\/a> [11-14-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#9 Matthew 10:28: Did Jesus Teach That a Soul Could be Annihilated?<\/a> [11-18-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#10 The Story of Lazarus and the Rich Man (Lk 16:19-31) in Relation to the Doctrine of Immortal Souls<\/a> [11-22-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#11 \u201cSecond Death\u201d = \u201cLake of Fire\u201d = Eternal Torment in Hell. Jesus & Luke Believed in Both Hades and Hell<\/a> [11-25-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#12 Paul Affirms Three Times That Souls Continue Outside of the Body \/ Banzoli Claims That Angels Are Material Beings<\/a> [11-29-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#13 Dead Biblical Heroes Return to Earth!: Samuel & Saul \/ Moses & Elijah at Jesus\u2019 Transfiguration<\/a> [12-1-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#14 Jesus\u2019 Visit (After He Died) to Hades, Preaching to the \u201cSpirits in Prison\u201d and Setting \u201cCaptives\u201d Free<\/a> [12-2-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#15 Hebrews 12:23: \u201cthe spirits of just men made perfect\u201d<\/a> [12-3-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#16 Sheol (Hades): Merely the \u201cGrave\u201d or \u201cUnderground\u201d or the Conscious Abode of Dead Souls?<\/a> [12-5-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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#17 Ecclesiastes 9:5: \u201cThe Dead Know Nothing\u201d \/ Psalm 146:4: \u201cHis Thoughts Perish,\u201d Etc.<\/a> [12-6-22]<\/span><\/div>\n
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See also the related articles:<\/span><\/p>\n

Seven Replies Re Interceding Saints (vs. Lucas Banzoli)<\/a>\u00a0[5-25-22]<\/span><\/p>\n

Answer to Banzoli\u2019s \u201cChallenge\u201d Re Intercession of Saints<\/a>\u00a0[9-20-22]<\/span><\/p>\n

Bible on Praying Straight to God (vs. Lucas Banzoli)<\/a>\u00a0[9-21-22]<\/span><\/p>\n

Reply to Banzoli\u2019s \u201cAnalyzing the \u2018evidence\u2019 of saints\u2019 intercession\u201d<\/a>\u00a0[9-22-22]<\/span><\/p>\n

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A similar case can be seen when the psalmist exclaims: \u201cI hold my life [nephesh<\/em>] in my hand continually, but I do not forget thy law.\u201d (Ps 119:109). We must ask ourselves, what danger was his soul always exposed to? A \u201cdanger\u201d of staying alive (because it cannot die) and going into the presence of God? It seems not. Obviously, the danger the psalmist refers to is that of his nephesh<\/em> dying at the hands of his persecutors, a very frequent theme in the Psalms. This is because they did not see the soul as an immortal entity belonging to another world, but, on the contrary, as vulnerable as any part of the body.<\/span> (p. 142)<\/p>\n

Lay down one\u2019s soul \u2013 If any one can risk his soul, in the sense of exposing his soul to a risk of death, he can also give his soul, in the sense of voluntarily submitting it to death on behalf of someone. This language was used a lot by Jesus in the NT, but had already been used of him since Isaiah, who prophesied that God would \u201cmake his soul an offering for sin\u201d (Isaiah 53:10 [KJV]).<\/span> (p. 143)<\/p>\n

\u201cAs the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give his soul a ransom for many\u201d (Matthew 20:28<\/span> [Smith\u2019s Literal Translation]). It is psyche<\/em> that is found in the Greek. (p. 144)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

[I]f Christ had to die bodily to redeem our body,<\/span><\/span> why wouldn\u2019t he have to die as a soul to redeem our soul?<\/span><\/span> If body and soul are two distinct entities and Jesus died for both, it is clear that he would have to to die in body and soul, not just in body. The price to be paid for our redemption was death, and if death was in our place, it embraces body and soul, for both were redeemed at the cross. In other words, to say that the soul of Jesus did not experienced death is the same as saying that our soul did not need redemption. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Jesus was clear: his own soul would die in our favor.<\/span><\/span> He <\/span><\/span>would sacrifice not only his body but also his soul.<\/span><\/span> His sacrifice was complete.<\/span><\/span> <\/span>To deny this is to diminish the Saviour\u2019s sacrifice.<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span>(pp. 1072-1074)<\/p>\n

Banzoli cited in this sense four more passages, which I will paste from the RSV:<\/p>\n

John 10:11, 15, 17<\/strong> I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life [psyche<\/em>] for the sheep.. . . [15] . . . I lay down my life [psyche<\/em>] for the sheep.. . . [17] . . . I lay down my life [psyche<\/em>] . . .<\/p>\n

John 15:13<\/strong> Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life [psyche<\/em>] for his friends.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In all these texts, life (here portrayed as soul-nephesh<\/em>) is taken because there is no life left, not because it has been transferred to another dimension. Likewise, in the resurrection, life returns because the individual comes into existence again as a living being or a living soul, not because he was alive somewhere else and then had to return to the body. (p. 163)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Life is only possible to be experienced in the present body or in the resurrection body, . . .<\/span> the Hebrews did not imagine the soul as a ghost that survives outside the body, but only like the life that is lived in the body. Therefore, killing the body was killing the soul, . . .<\/span> (p. 165)<\/p>\n

But we know that Jesus \u2014 in His human nature \u2014 was still in existence after He died, because He descended to Sheol to preach to the captives:<\/p>\n

Ephesians 4:8-10<\/strong>\u00a0Therefore it is said, \u201cWhen he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.\u201d [9] (In saying, \u201cHe ascended,\u201d what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)<\/p>\n

1 Peter 3:18-20<\/strong> For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; [19] in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, [20] who formerly did not obey,<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Banzoli does manage to maintain the divinity of Christ, however, by believing that His Divine Nature never ceased to exist at any time:<\/p>\n

On the other hand, we must not forget that Jesus was not just any man,<\/span><\/span>\u00a0but God incarnate.<\/span><\/span> And, in His divine nature, Jesus never passed through death,<\/span><\/span> for it is not possible for divinity to die or cease to exist for even a second<\/span><\/span> (1 Timothy 6:16 [\u201cwho alone has immortality\u201d]).<\/span><\/span> This is what distinguishes the case of Jesus from ours, since none<\/span><\/span> of us are God incarnate, nor do we have a divine nature<\/span><\/span>.<\/span><\/span> Thus, Jesus is a sui generis<\/em> case \u2013 a unique and singular case,<\/span><\/span> that cannot be compared to any other.<\/span><\/span> He is the only one who can \u201cdie and<\/span><\/span> <\/span>not die\u201d (die like a man, and not die like God).<\/span> (p. 1074)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

I was mistaken about this before I discovered the above passage, on 2-21-23. He had not directed me to it, even though I asked him more than once to clarify and explain his Christology, and stated that I would retract and publicly apologize for getting his views wrong, if that turned out to be the case (and I\u2019m very happy that I was wrong).<\/p>\n

I found the passage above in a search of his 1900-page Portugese book on the soul. In light of this, I offer Lucas Banzoli my sincere and full apology for wrongly classifying him as a non-Christian and non-trinitarian. I was going by the information I had, in the absence of clarification from him, that would have prevented my erroneous conclusion. I will change my introduction to my rebuttals of his work accordingly, and try to remove any other inaccurate references of this nature in my many replies.<\/p>\n

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Photo credit:<\/strong><\/span>\u00a0Saint Michael the Archangel and Another Figure Recommending a Soul to the Virgin and Child in Heaven<\/em>, by Bartolomeo Biscaino (1629-1657)<\/span>\u00a0[public domain \/<\/span>\u00a0Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n

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Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \\\"Catholic Answers Live\\\" (twice), \\\"Faith and Family Live\\\" (Steve Wood), \\\"Kresta in the Afternoon,\\\" \\\"Son Rise Morning Show,\\\" \\\"Catholic Connection\\\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \\\"The Catholics Next Door.\\\" His large and popular website, \\\"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\\\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \\\"index\\\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \\\"Surprised by Truth\\\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \\\"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\\\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \\\"The Catholic Verses\\\" (2004), \\\"The One-Minute Apologist\\\" (2007), \\\"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\\\" (2009), \\\"The Quotable Newman\\\" (editor: 2012), and \\\"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\\\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \\\"The New Catholic Answer Bible\\\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \\\"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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