{"id":7187,"date":"2016-04-27T16:15:37","date_gmt":"2016-04-27T20:15:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=7187"},"modified":"2017-02-27T14:09:34","modified_gmt":"2017-02-27T18:09:34","slug":"jerusalem-council-vs-sola-scriptura","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/04\/jerusalem-council-vs-sola-scriptura.html","title":{"rendered":"Jerusalem Council vs. Sola Scriptura"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>. . .Including Replies to\u00a0Reformed Baptist Anti-Catholic Polemicist James White<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-7189 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2016\/04\/TempleHerod.jpg\" alt=\"TempleHerod\" width=\"640\" height=\"474\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Reconstruction of Herod\u2019s Temple (at the time of Jesus), with Robinson\u2019s Arch in the foreground<\/span> [<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Reconstruction_model_of_Ancient_Jerusalem_in_Museum_of_David_Castle.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a> \/\u00a0 <a class=\"extiw decorated-link\" title=\"w:en:Creative Commons\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/en:Creative_Commons\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Creative Commons<\/a> <a class=\"external text decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.5\/deed.en\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic<\/a> license]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(9-2-04)<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">*****<\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is a continuation of my series of responses to anti-Catholic luminary James White\u2019s response to a talk I gave on <i>Sola Scriptura<\/i> on the radio show, <i>Catholic Answers Live<\/i>. [I offer a<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/collections\/25-years-of-radio-interviews\/products\/catholic-answers-live-why-we-need-more-than-the-bible-10-10-03\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">free download of this interview<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">from 10-10-03]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I have decided to provide a lengthy response to White\u2019s \u201crebuttal\u201d of just one of the ten points I presented in that appearance. Remember (as I noted before), my talk was a mere summary. I estimated that I had about three minutes to elaborate upon each point, due to radio time constraints. So this was no in-depth analysis (which the extremely multi-faceted and complex topic of <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> ultimately demands). It doesn\u2019t follow, however, that I am unable to provide a much more in-depth treatment of the topic. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">White, after dodging my critiques of his work for nine years now, seized upon this great \u201copportunity\u201d of my introductory talk on the radio to pretend, on his <i>Dividing Line<\/i> webcast, that I have \u201cno clue\u201d what I am talking about and \u201cnot a bit of substance\u201d (his stock \u201cresponses\u201d and insults where I am concerned). In his eyes, I am a complete ignoramus, a pretender, and utterly over my head in this discussion. White was trying to turn this into a half-baked \u201coral debate\u201d and (as always, as with all his Catholic opponents) to embarrass me as a simpleton and lightweight apologist. We know he thinks this, because he made a statement like the following on his second show: <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The problem, of course, is that this is, quite seriously, one of the things I\u2019ve said about Mr. Armstrong and about many Catholic apologists, from the very beginning. They don\u2019t do exegesis, and they don\u2019t know <i>how<\/i> to. Um, of course, I could argue that they\u2019re not <i>allowed<\/i> to.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Be that as it may, for my part, I replied that I have dealt with most or all these points (agree or disagree) in lengthy papers elsewhere, which he is most welcome to attempt to refute as he pleases. This one point is no exception. Here is the material upon which I based my radio presentation (I added just a little on the air, but rather than do more tedious transcription, I will cite the original \u201cnotes\u201d: indented): <\/span><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">* * * * *\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:6-30), we see Peter and James speaking with authority. This Council makes an authoritative pronouncement (citing the <i>Holy Spirit<\/i>) which was <i>binding<\/i> on all Christians:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Acts 15:28-29: For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\">\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In the next chapter, we read that Paul, Timothy, and Silas were traveling around \u201cthrough the cities,\u201d and Scripture says that:<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\">\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">. . . they delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached\u00a0by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem. (Acts 16:4)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is Church authority. They simply proclaimed the decree as true and binding \u2014 with the sanction of the Holy Spirit Himself! Thus we see in the Bible an instance of the gift of infallibility that the Catholic Church claims for itself when it assembles in a council.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">That\u2019s it! Obviously, this is a bare-bones summary of one argument, that can be greatly expanded, with many aspects and facets of it examined. Also, it is important to note that I was writing a refutation of <i>sola Scriptura<\/i>, not an apologia for the full authority of the Catholic Church, and papal infallibility, etc. The two things are logically and categorically distinct. One could easily reject <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> without accepting the authority of Rome and the pope. Many Christians, in fact, do this: e.g., Anglicans and Orthodox. The subject at hand is \u201cwhether <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> is the true rule of faith, and what the Bible can inform us about that.\u201d I made a biblical argument that does not support <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> at all (quite the contrary). But White, using his usual illogical, wrongheaded, and sophistical techniques, which he has honed to perfection, tried to cleverly switch the topic over to Catholic ecclesiology.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Beyond that, he also foolishly (but typically) implied that my intent in this argument was some silly notion that I thought I had demonstrated all <i>that<\/i> (Catholic ecclesiology, the papacy and magisterium, etc.) by recourse to this reasoning. This is part of his opinion that I am so stupid that I am unaware of such elementary logical considerations. Vastly underestimating one\u2019s opponent makes for lousy debates and embarrassing \u201ccome-uppances\u201d when the opponent proceeds to demonstrate that he is not nearly as much of a dunce and clueless imbecile as was made out. The Democrats have used this tactic for years in politics. It is disconcerting to see anti-Catholic Baptists follow their illegitimate model in theological discourse. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He is way ahead of the game, of course, and this is a straw man, since I believe no such thing at all. <i>Sola Scriptura<\/i> means something. It has a well-established definition among Protestant scholars. In the next excerpt, we will see it defined by the well-known, influential Reformed Presbyterian R.C. Sproul. The question at hand is whether <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> is indicated in the Bible. I gave ten reasons in my talk which suggest that it is <i>not.<\/i> This particular case, in fact, offers not only <i>non-support, <\/i>but also<i> direct counter-evidence.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This argument concerning the Jerusalem Council was used in expanded form in my book,<\/span> <i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-catholic_31.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">The Catholic Verses: 95 Bible Passages That Confound Protestants<\/a><\/i>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Here is that portion of the book, in its entirety (indented): <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"font-size: 85%; color: #000000;\">THE BINDING AUTHORITY OF COUNCILS, LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>Acts 15:28-29:<\/b> \u201cFor it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.\u201d<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b><br>\n<\/b><b>Acts 16:4:<\/b> \u201cAs they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">These passages offer a proof that the early Church held to a notion of the infallibility of Church councils, and to a belief that they were especially guided by the Holy Spirit (precisely as in Catholic Church doctrine concerning ecumenical councils). Accordingly, Paul takes the message of the conciliar decree with him on his evangelistic journeys and preaches it to the people. The Church had real authority; it was binding and infallible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is a far cry from the Protestant principle of <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> \u2014 which presumes that councils and popes can err, and thus need to be corrected by Scripture. Popular writer and radio expositor R.C. Sproul expresses the standard evangelical Protestant viewpoint on Christian authority:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">For the Reformers no church council, synod, classical theologian, or early church father is regarded as infallible. All are open to correction and critique . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(in Boice, 109)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Arguably, this point of view derives from Martin Luther\u2019s stance at the Diet of Worms in 1521 (which might be construed as the formal beginning of the formal principle of authority in Protestantism: <i>sola Scriptura<\/i>). Luther passionately proclaimed:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Unless I am convicted by Scripture and plain reason \u2013 I do not accept the authority of popes and councils, for they have contradicted each other \u2013 my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me, Amen. Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(in Bainton, 144)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">One Protestant reply to these biblical passages might be to say that since this Council of Jerusalem referred to in Acts consisted of apostles, and since an apostle proclaimed the decree, both possessed a binding authority which was later lost (as Protestants accept apostolic authority as much as Catholics do). Furthermore, the incidents were recorded in inspired, infallible Scripture. They could argue that none of this is true of later Catholic councils; therefore, the attempted analogy is null and void.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But this is a bit simplistic, since Scripture is our model for everything, including Church government, and all parties appeal to it for their own views. If Scripture teaches that a council of the Church is authoritative and binding, then it is implausible and unreasonable to assert that no future council can be so simply because it is not conducted by apostles.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Scripture is our model for doctrine and practice (nearly all Christians agree on this). The Bible doesn\u2019t exist in an historical vacuum, but has import for the day-to-day life of the Church and Christians for all time. St. Paul told us to imitate him (see, e.g., 2 Thess. 3:9). And he went around proclaiming decrees of the Church. No one was at liberty to disobey these decrees on the grounds of \u201cconscience,\u201d or to declare by \u201cprivate judgment\u201d that they were in error (per Luther).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It would be foolish to argue that how the apostles conducted the governance of the Church has no relation whatsoever to how later Christians engage in the same task. It would seem rather obvious that Holy Scripture assumes that the model of holy people (patriarchs, prophets, and apostles alike) is to be followed by Christians. This is the point behind entire chapters, such as (notably) Hebrews 11.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">When the biblical model agrees with their theology, Protestants are all too enthusiastic to press their case by using Scriptural examples. The <i>binding authority<\/i> of the Church was present here, and there is no indication whatever that anyone was ever allowed to <i>dissent<\/i> from it. That is the fundamental question. Catholics wholeheartedly agree that no new Christian doctrines were handed down after the apostles. Christian doctrine was present in full from the beginning; it has only organically developed since.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">John Calvin has a field day running down the Catholic Church in his commentary for Acts 15:28. It is clear that he is uncomfortable with this verse and must somehow explain it in Protestant terms. But he is not at all unanswerable. The fact remains that the decree was made, and it was binding. It will not do (in an attempt to undercut ecclesial authority) to proclaim that this particular instance was isolated. For such a judgment rests on Calvin\u2019s own completely arbitrary authority (which he claims but cannot prove). Calvin merely <i>states<\/i> his position (rather than<i> argue<\/i> it) in the following passage:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">. . . in vain do they go about out of the same to prove that the Church had power given to decree anything contrary to the word of God. The Pope hath made such laws as seemed best to him, contrary to the word of God, whereby he meant to govern the Church;<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">This strikes me as somewhat desperate argumentation. First of all, Catholics never have argued that the pope has any power to make decrees contrary to the Bible (making Calvin\u2019s slanderous charge a straw man). Calvin goes on to use vivid language, intended to resonate with already strong emotions and ignorance of Catholic theology. It\u2019s an old lawyer\u2019s tactic: when one has no case, attempt to caricature the opponent, obfuscate, and appeal to emotions rather than reason.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Far more sensible and objective are the comments on Acts 15:28 and 16:4 from the Presbyterian scholar, Albert Barnes, in his famous <i>Barnes\u2019 Notes<\/i> commentary:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><i>For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost<\/i>. This is a strong and undoubted claim to inspiration. It was with special reference to the organization of the church that the Holy Spirit had been promised to them by the Lord Jesus, Matthew 18:18-20; John 14:26.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In this instance it was the decision of the council in a case submitted to it; and implied an obligation on the Christians to submit to that decision.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Barnes actually acknowledges that the passage has some implication for ecclesiology in general. It is remarkable, on the other hand, that Calvin seems concerned about the possibility of a group of Christians (in this case, a council) being led by the Holy Spirit to achieve a true doctrinal decree, whereas he has no problem with the idea that <i>individuals<\/i> can achieve such certainty:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">. . . of the promises which they are wont to allege, many were given not less to private believers than to the whole Church [cites Mt 28:20, Jn 14:16-17] . . . we are not to give permission to the adversaries of Christ to defend a bad cause, by wresting Scripture from its proper meaning.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(<i>Institutes<\/i>, IV, 8, 11)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But it will be objected, that whatever is attributed in part to any of the saints, belongs in complete fulness to the Church. Although there is some semblance of truth in this, I deny that it is true.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(<i>Institutes<\/i>, IV, 8, 12)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Calvin believes that Scripture is self-authenticating. I appeal, then, to the reader to judge the above passages. Do they seem to support the notion of an infallible Church council (apart from the question of whether the Catholic Church, headed by the pope, is that Church)? Do Calvin\u2019s arguments succeed? For Catholics, the import of Acts 15:28 is clear and undeniable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>Sources<\/b><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bainton, Roland H., <i>Here I Stand<\/i>, New York: Mentor Books, 1950.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Barnes, Albert [Presbyterian], <i>Barnes\u2019 Notes on the New Testament<\/i>, 1872; reprinted by Baker Book House (Grand Rapids, Michigan), 1983.<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.studylight.org\/com\/bnn\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Available online<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Boice, James Montgomery, editor, <i>The Foundation of Biblical Authority<\/i>, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan, 1978, chapter four by R.C. Sproul: \u201cSola Scriptura: Crucial to Evangelicalism.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Calvin, John, <i>Calvin\u2019s Commentaries<\/i>, 22 volumes, translated and edited by John Owen; originally printed for the Calvin Translation Society, Edinburgh, Scotland, 1853; reprinted by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan: 1979.<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/c\/calvin\/comment2\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Available online<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Calvin, John, <i>Institutes of the Christian Religion<\/i>, translated by Henry Beveridge for the Calvin Translation Society, 1845 from the 1559 edition in Latin; reprinted by Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co. (Grand Rapids, Michigan), 1995.<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ccel.org\/c\/calvin\/institutes\/institutes.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Available online<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now let\u2019s examine White\u2019s reply to my argument on his <i>Dividing Line<\/i> webcast, and see if it can stand up under scrutiny. Let\u2019s see how cogent and biblical it is, and how well the good, exceedingly-wise Bishop White can survive (what he calls a) \u201ccross-examination\u201d (he, of course, claims that I would utterly wilt under his sublime, brilliant questioning, which is supposedly why I refuse to debate him orally). I have given my argument in summary, in depth; I\u2019ve responded to some historic Protestant objections to it; the argument is in print in a published book from a reputable Catholic publisher: Sophia Institute Press) and now I will counter-reply to White\u2019s own sophistical commentary. Whether he wants to respond back, or flee for the hills as he almost always has before, for nine years, when I critique him, remains to be seen. Let his followers closely note his actions now, if they think he is so invulnerable and unable to be \u201cvanquished.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[White\u2019s words below will be in blue. I am directly citing his words from the <i>Dividing Line<\/i> webcast of 8-31-04]: <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[start from the time: 23:00. This portion ends at 25:00]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Hello, Mr. Armstrong! Acts 15, <i>apostles<\/i> are there; the <i>Holy Spirit<\/i> is speaking; the New Testament\u2019s being <i>written<\/i>; hellooo! This is a period of <i>inscripturation<\/i>, and <i>revelation<\/i>! The only way to make that relevant is to say, \u201cyou still <i>have<\/i> apostles and still receive revelation,\u201d but you all believe the canon\u2019s closed, so that doesn\u2019t <i>work<\/i>. This isn\u2019t some extrabiblical <i>tradition<\/i>! This is the tradition of the Bible <i>itself<\/i>! It\u2019s <i>revelation<\/i>! Uh, again, see why, as long as you don\u2019t allow anyone to cross-examine you; remember Proverbs 18. The first one to present his case always seems right, until his opponent comes along and <i>questions<\/i> him. That\u2019s what <i>live<\/i> debate allows to take <i>place<\/i>.<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: 85%; color: #000000;\">[mocking, derisive, condescending tone throughout]<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-size: 85%; color: #000000;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is White\u2019s entire answer. On the next <i>Dividing Line<\/i> of 9-2-04, which I just listened to live, he also added a few brief comments about the same argument: <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">. . . [the Jerusalem Council is binding]<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">\u201cas a part of Scripture.\u201d<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">\u201cThe Church <i>does<\/i> have authority; not <i>infallible<\/i> authority.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now let\u2019s see how this stands up, when analyzed closely. I shall respond to each statement in turn:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Hello, Mr. Armstrong!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Hello, Your Eminence, the Right Reverend Bishop Dr. James R. White, Th.D.!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">apostles are there<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So what? How does that <i>change<\/i> anything? Are not apostles <i>models<\/i> for us? Of course, they are. St. Paul tells us repeatedly to imitate him (1 Cor 4:16, Phil 3:17, 2 Thess 3:7-9). White would have us believe that since this is the apostolic period and so forth, it is completely unique, and any <i>application<\/i> of the known events of that time to <i>our own<\/i> is \u201cirrelevant.\u201d He acts as if the record of the Book of Acts has no historical, pedagogical import other than as a specimen of early Christian history, as if it is a piece of mere archaeology, rather than the living Word of God, which is (to use one of Protestants\u2019 favorite verses) \u201cprofitable for teaching . . . and for training in righteousness\u201d (2 Tim 3:16-17). So now the historical passages of the New Testament are \u201cirrelevant\u201d? Only the straight-out doctrinal teaching can be used to ascertain correct doctrine? If so, then where is <i>that<\/i> taught in Scripture itself, etc.? Passages like Hebrews 11, which recount the deeds of great saints and biblical heroes, imply that they are a model for us. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">White\u2019s viewpoint as to the implications of the Jerusalem Council is theologically and spiritually naive or simplistic because it would force us to accept recorded, inspired apostolic <i>teaching<\/i> about the Church and ecclesiology (whatever it is), yet overlook and ignore the very <i>application<\/i> of that doctrine to real life, that the apostles <i>lived out<\/i> in that real life. We would have to believe that this council in Jerusalem had nothing whatsoever to do with later governance of the Church, even though apostles were involved in it. That, in effect, would be to believe that we are smarter and more knowledgeable about Christian theology than the apostles were. They set out and governed the Church, yet they were dead-wrong, or else what they did has no bearing whatsoever on later Christian ecclesiology. Since this is clearly absurd, White\u2019s view that goes along with it, collapses. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Moreover, this is a foolish approach because it would require us to believe that Paul and other apostles were in error with regard to how Christian or Church authority works. The preached a certain thing in this instance. If they believed in <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> (as models for us), then they would have taught what they knew to be Scripture (in those days, the Old Testament), and that alone, as binding and authoritative (for this is what <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> holds). If they didn\u2019t understand authority in the way that God desired, how could they be our models? And if the very apostles who wrote Scripture didn\u2019t understand it, and applied it incorrectly in such an important matter, how can <i>we<\/i> be expected to, from that same Scripture? A stream can\u2019t rise above its source.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Lastly, White implicitly assumes here, as he often does, that everything the apostles taught was later doctrinally recorded in Scripture. This is his hidden premise (or it follows from his reasoning, whether he is aware of it or not). But this is a completely arbitrary assumption. Protestants have to believe something akin to this notion, because of their aversion to authoritative, binding tradition, but the notion itself is unbiblical. They agree that what apostles taught was binding, but they fail to see that some of that teaching would be \u201cextrabiblical\u201d (i.e., not recorded in Scripture). The Bible itself, however, teaches us that there <i>are<\/i> such teachings and deeds not recorded in it (Jn 20:30, 21:25, Acts 1:2-3, Lk 24:15-16,25-27). The logic is simple (at least when laid out for all to see): <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1. Apostles\u2019 teaching was authoritative and binding.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">2. Some of that teaching was recorded in Scripture, but some was not.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">3. The folks who heard their teaching were bound to it whether it was later \u201cinscripturated\u201d or not.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">4. Therefore, early Christians were bound to \u201cunbiblical\u201d teachings or those not known to be \u201cbiblical\u201d (as the Bible would not yet be canonized until more than three centuries later).<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">5. If they were so bound, it stands to reason that <i>we<\/i> could and should be, also.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">6. Scripture itself does not rule out the presence of an authoritative oral tradition, not recorded in words. Paul refers more than once to a non-written tradition (e.g., 2 Tim 1:13-14, 2:2).<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">7. Scripture informs us that much more was taught by Jesus and apostles than what is recorded in it.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\">8. Scripture nowhere teaches that it is the sole rule of faith or that what is recorded in it about early Church history has no relevance to later Christians because this was the apostolic or \u201cinscripturation\u201d period. Those are all arbitrary, unbiblical traditions of men.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">One could go on and on about the falsehood of White\u2019s opinion here. His view is simply wrongheaded and not required by the Bible at all. It is an unsubstantiated, unbiblical tradition within Protestantism, that has to exist in order to bolster up the ragged edges of another thoroughly unbiblical tradition: <i>sola Scriptura<\/i>. As the latter cannot be proven at all from Scripture, it, and all the \u201csupports\u201d for it such as this one, are all logically circular.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">. . . the <i>Holy Spirit<\/i> is speaking . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Exactly! This is my point, and what makes the argument such a strong one. Here we have <b>in<\/b> Scripture itself a clear example of a Church council which was guided by the Holy Spirit. That is our example. It happened. White can go on and on about how these were apostles, but the apostles had successors. We know from Scripture itself that bishops were considered the successors of the apostles. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">There was to be a certain ecclesiology. The New Testament speaks of this in relatively undeveloped ways (just as it speaks of fine points of Christology and trinitarianism in an undeveloped sense, which was developed by the Church for hundreds of years afterwards). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">If the Holy Spirit could speak to a council then, He can now. Why should it change? This doesn\u2019t require belief in ongoing revelation. That is another issue. The disciples were clearly told by our Lord Jesus (at the Last Supper) that the Holy Spirit would \u201cteach you all things\u201d (Jn 14:26) and \u201cguide you into all truth\u201d (Jn 16:13). This can be understood either as referring to individuals alone, in a corporate sense, or both. If it is corporate, then it could apply to a church council. And in fact, we see exactly that in the Jerusalem Council, after Jesus\u2019 Resurrection and Ascension. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Of course, if white wants to assert that the Holy Spirit can\u2019t speak any more, after the apostolic age and the age of revelation, that is up to him, but that is equally unbiblical and unnecessary. He can give us non biblical proof that this is the case, anymore than some Protestants (perhaps white himself) are \u201ccessationists,\u201d who believe that miracles and the spiritual; gifts ceased with the apostles also.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">. . . the New Testament\u2019s being written . . .<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">This is a period of <i>inscripturation<\/i> and <i>revelation<\/i>!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So what? What does that have to do with how these early Christians regarded authority and how they believed that councils were binding? Where in the Bible does it say that this period is absolutely unique because the Bible was being written during it? The inspired Bible either has examples of historical events in it which are models for us, or it doesn\u2019t. If it does, White\u2019s case collapses again. If it doesn\u2019t, I need to hear why someone would think that, based on the Bible itself, which doesn\u2019t even list its own books, let alone teach us that we can\u2019t determine how the Church was to be governed by observing how the first Christians did it .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">The only way to make that relevant is to say, \u201cyou still have apostles and still receive revelation\u201d . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">On what <i>basis<\/i> is this said? I don\u2019t see this in the Bible anywhere. Why do we have to still have apostles around in order to follow their example, as we are commanded to do? What does the ending of revelation have to do with that, either? Therefore, it is (strictly-speaking) an \u201cextrabiblical tradition.\u201d If so, then it is inadmissible (in the sense of being binding) according to the doctrine of <i>sola Scriptura<\/i>. If that is the case, then I am under no obligation to accept it; it is merely white\u2019s arbitrary opinion. Nor is White himself. He contradicts himself, and this is a self-defeating scenario, involving the following self-contradiction: <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In upholding the principle which holds only biblical teachings as infallible and binding, I must appeal to an extrabiblical teaching.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is utterly incoherent, inconsistent reasoning, and must, therefore, be rejected.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">You all believe the canon\u2019s closed, so that doesn\u2019t <i>work<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The question of the canon is irrelevant to this matter as well. Protestants and Catholics agree as to the New Testament books. So what is found in the New Testament is inspired, inerrant, and infallible. That\u2019s why I cite it to make my arguments about ecclesiology and the rule of faith, just like I defend any other teaching I believe as a Catholic.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">This isn\u2019t some <i>extrabiblical tradition<\/i>! It\u2019s the tradition of the Bible<i> itself<\/i>! It\u2019s <i>revelation<\/i>!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Bingo! Why does he think I used it in the <i>first<\/i> place?! Exactly!!! Dr. White thus nails the lid on the coffin of his own \u201ccase\u201d shut and covers it with a foot of concrete. This \u201ctradition of the Bible\u201d in Acts 15 and 16 teaches something about the binding authority of church councils, and it is <i>not<\/i> what <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> holds (which is the very <i>opposite<\/i>, of course). Case closed. White can grapple with this portion of what all agree is inspired revelation all he wants, and offer pat answers and insufficiently grounded, circular reasoning all he likes; that doesn\u2019t change the fact. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Then White stated that the Council is binding<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">\u201cas a part of Scripture.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is equally wrongheaded and off the mark. It was binding, period, because it was a council of the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit (a fact expressly stated by inspired Scripture itself). It would have been binding on Christians if there had never been a New Testament (and at that time there was not yet one anyway). Whether this was recorded later in Scripture or not is irrelevant. If Dr. White disagrees, then let him produce a statement in the New Testament which teaches us what he claims: that it was only binding because it later was recorded in Scripture. If he can\u2019t, then why should we believe him? I am the one arguing strictly from Scripture and what it reveals to us; he is not. He has to fall back on his own arbitrary opinions: mere extrabiblical traditions of men. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Of course, the Church later acts in precisely the same way in its ecumenical councils, declaring such things as that those who deny the Holy Trinity are outside Christianity and the Church, or that those who deny grace alone (Pelagians) are, etc. They make authoritative proclamations, and they are binding on all Christians. The Bible and St. Paul taught that true Christian councils were binding, but Martin Luther, James White, and most Protestants deny this. I will follow the Bible and the apostles, if that must be the choice, thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">The Church <i>does<\/i> have authority; not <i>infallible<\/i> authority.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Sorry to disagree again, but again, that is not what the Bible taught in this instance. Here the Church had infallible authority in council, and was led by the Holy Spirit. This is clearly taught in the Bible. Period. End of discussion. I think White senses the power of this argument, which is why he tried to blithely, cavalierly dismiss it, with scarcely any discussion (an old lawyer\u2019s trick, to try to fool onlookers who don\u2019t know any better). Knowing that, he has to use the \u201cthis is the period of inscripturation and the apostles\u201d argument, but that doesn\u2019t fly, and is not rooted in the Bible, as shown. We are shown here what authority the Church has. If White doesn\u2019t like it, let him produce an express statement in the Bible, informing us that the Church is <i>fallible<\/i>. One tires of these games and this sort of \u201ctheological subterfuge,\u201d where the person who claims to be uniquely following the Bible, and it alone, invents nonsense out of whole cloth, when directly confronted with portions of that same Bible that don\u2019t fit into their preconceived theology and arbitrary traditions of men. Our Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul dealt with this in their time. Sadly, we continue to today. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><b>Addendum<\/b>: <i>Dividing Line<\/i> of 9-2-04 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This was more of the same silliness, with even less solid reply. It was remarkable (even by White\u2019s low standards) in its sustained juvenile, giggly mocking of Catholics, especially as White sat and listened to the advertising on the <i>Catholic Answers Live<\/i> show. I found this to be a rather blatant demonstration of the prejudiced mindset and mentality of the anti-Catholic. But as I have known of this tendency in the good bishop for many years, it came as no surprise at all. He started out with the obligatory digs at me:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[derisive laughter throughout]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">Dave\u2019s just playin\u2019 along with the game; you know what I mean?<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">How can you self-destruct two times on your own blog?<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">. . . I feel sorry for old Dave . . . <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\">We didn\u2019t <i>have<\/i> a postal debate . . . absolute pure desperation . . . <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">White even went after Cardinal Newman later on:<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[Newmanian development of doctrine is a]<\/span> convenient means of abandoning the historical field of battle.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He went on to state that this involves a \u201cnebulous\u201d notion of doctrine whereby it can be molded and transmutated into almost anything, no matter how it relates to what went before. Of course, this is a complete distortion of Newman\u2019s teaching (which is an organic, continuous development of something which remains itself all along, like a biological organism), and shows profound ignorance of it by Dr. White, but that is another topic. Those who are familiar with Newman\u2019s thought will see how bankrupt this \u201canalysis\u201d is. But this comes straight from the 19th-century Anglican anti-Catholic controversialist George Salmon (it is almost a direct quote from him). Nothing new under the sun . . . <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I hope readers have enjoyed another installment of my writing which has, of course, no substance whatsoever, and where I exhibit yet again my marked characteristic of not having a clue concerning that of which I write. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \\\"This Rock\\\" (now called \\\"Catholic Answers Magazine\\\"), \\\"Envoy Magazine\\\" (Patrick Madrid), \\\"The Catholic Answer,\\\" \\\"The Coming Home Journal,\\\" \\\"Gilbert Magazine\\\" (American Chesterton Society), and \\\"The Latin Mass.\\\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \\\"The Michigan Catholic\\\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \\\"Catholic Answers Live\\\" (twice), \\\"Faith and Family Live\\\" (Steve Wood), \\\"Kresta in the Afternoon,\\\" \\\"Son Rise Morning Show,\\\" \\\"Catholic Connection\\\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \\\"The Catholics Next Door.\\\" His large and popular website, \\\"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\\\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \\\"index\\\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \\\"Surprised by Truth\\\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \\\"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\\\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \\\"The Catholic Verses\\\" (2004), \\\"The One-Minute Apologist\\\" (2007), \\\"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\\\" (2009), \\\"The Quotable Newman\\\" (editor: 2012), and \\\"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\\\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \\\"The New Catholic Answer Bible\\\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \\\"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\\\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \\\"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\\\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \\\"Quotable Wesley\\\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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