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Words of Baptist pastor Ken Temple are\u00a0in<\/span> blue<\/span>. I used this passage in a paper demonstrating synergism and human cooperation with the distribution of salvation and grace.<\/span>* * * * *<\/p>\n<\/div>\nPhilippians 2:12b-13<\/span> (RSV)<\/span> . . . work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\nI\u00a0commented about this passage in my\u00a0other paper: \u201cIf someone says that God is mentioned in the second part, the Calvinist \u2018monergist\u2019 still has to explain how a human being can participate at all<\/span> in what only God can do (according to the monergist).\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nBlessed John Henry Cardinal Newman wrote, concerning this passage:<\/span><\/p>\nIn truth, the two doctrines of the sovereign and overruling power of Divine grace, and man\u2019s power of resistance, need not at all interfere with each other. They lie in different provinces, and are (as it were) incommensurables. Thus St. Paul evidently accounted them; else he could not have introduced the text in question with the exhortation, Work out or accomplish your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God which worketh or acts in you. So far was he from thinking man\u2019s distinct working inconsistent with God\u2019s continual aiding, that he assigns the knowledge of the latter as an encouragement to the former . . . It is quite certain that a modern Predestinarian never could have written such a sentence [as Philippians 2:12-13].<\/span><\/p>\n(Sermon: \u201cHuman Responsibility,\u201d 1835 [his Anglican period] )<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\nThis verse says, \u201cwork out your salvation\u201d, not \u201cwork for your salvation\u201d. <\/span><\/p>\nOf course. I never claimed otherwise. When I implied this it was a use of sarcasm, according to the purpose of reductio ad absurdum<\/span> in the previous paper (that is, not something I actually believe; I was making fun \u2014 with my notorious dry wit \u2014 of what many Protestants mistakenly think<\/span> Catholics believe).<\/span><\/p>\nWork it out, what God has put in you; make it manifest by obedience, because God is in you. <\/span><\/p>\nNo problem with that. I only object to the insinuation that this process has nothing to do with salvation. It clearly does<\/span>, because Paul uses the word \u201csalvation.\u201d What could be more clear than that? One can read in theological presuppositions if they wish, but that is eisegesis, and not the way to properly interpret Holy Scripture.<\/span><\/p>\nMonergism is only passive at the beginning point of regeneration. After that you make real choices because the heart has been set free. Monergism is not talking about sanctification. It is not passive once the heart and soul are regenerated. You still believe and choose and have to strive for holiness, etc. You make real choices. You believe; only because God first awakens the heart, makes the heart alive, (Ephesians 2:1-4), opens the heart (Acts 16:14) shines the light (2 Cor. 4:5). <\/span><\/p>\nI understand all that. My recent post detailing Luther\u2019s true teaching about the necessity of good works proves this. Again, your mistake lies in relegating this passage to sanctification, when that is not what the text<\/span> says. Your position holds that sanctification has nothing formally, directly to do with salvation. But the text uses the word \u201csalvation\u201d; therefore, your position that it is about sanctification<\/span> rather than salvation is utterly incoherent.<\/span>
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\n<\/span>We are co-laborers with Christ. I Cor. 3:9 Monergism does not preclude our choices and will and actions and deeds and efforts in sanctification in manifesting the reality of salvation that God works in the heart, both to will and to work His pleasure. Again, monergism is only about the fact that God alone regenerates at the beginning because the soul is dead; like a dead battery. \u201cyou were dead in your trespasses and sins.\u201d Ephesians 2:1<\/span><\/p>\nNo need to reiterate this. I understand it. But it is helpful to readers who are unacquainted with the Calvinist position.<\/span>
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\n<\/span>Once God makes your heart alive, you must choose to obey and He give you the power and motivation to do that.<\/span><\/p>\nIndeed.<\/span><\/p>\nSee Ezekiel 36:26 also, When God takes the stoney heart out and replaces it with a new soft pliable heart; then He causes them to walk in His statutes.<\/span><\/p>\nThat\u2019s right.\u00a0<\/span>The only problem, Ken, is that the verse does not separate sanctification and justification, as Protestants arbitrarily do. It is saying, rather, that we have the salvation and we also have to \u201cwork it out.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\nIf we didn\u2019t have<\/span> the salvation in some sense (we would call it regeneration or initial justification), then we wouldn\u2019t be able to \u201cwork it out.\u201d On the other hand, If we have it and we are working it out, then it is impossible to separate this \u201cworking\u201d from salvation itself and put it into a little neat airtight compartment called \u201csanctification.\u201d And it is impossible to act as if the salvation was already obtained in one instant of justification, and thus assured forevermore. The Bible has a word for sanctification that could easily have been used here if indeed that is what Paul actually meant<\/span>. He uses the other word himself, elsewhere.<\/span><\/p>\nIf you\u2019re working out salvation, then obviously, the \u201cworking out\u201d has to do directly with the salvation. According to your theology, the verse ought to say:<\/span><\/p>\nWork out your sanctification, in which you are grateful to God for your salvation and justification.<\/span><\/p>\n(RFB: Revised Fundamentalist Version)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\nBut of course it does not. So in order to avoid the implications you have to play with the text and eisegete, and force it into an unbiblical Protestant soteriology. And this is only one of many many such passages.<\/span><\/p>\nMoreover, if this is merely the usual Protestant scenario of \u201cdoing good works in obedience and gratefulness for the justification already obtained by God\u2019s free gift of grace and imputed justification\u201d then for what reason is the person \u201cin fear and trembling\u201d? What is he afraid of, or worried about, or vigilant to obtain? If you\u2019re simply doing good deeds to show God how much you love and thank Him for the irrevocable past gift of salvation, that you are absolutely sure you have already, why would you be scared and trembling?<\/span><\/p>\nIt makes no sense; no more than would the analogy of a child who pleases his mother or father by washing the car or doing the dishes doing so in fear and trembling. Not at all. There is nothing to fear! The child is in fear and trembling when he or she fears being punished or displeasing parents, not when doing something nice for them, in love.<\/span><\/p>\nI think it is rather obvious, then, that Paul is teaching a vigilance in staying in a state of grace with God, lest we fall out of it (precisely as Catholics \u2014 and to a large extent, Protestant Arminians \u2014 hold). That<\/span> is more<\/span> than enough cause for \u201cfear and trembling.\u201d Hence, Paul writes, along the same lines:<\/span><\/p>\n1 Corinthians 9:24-27<\/b><\/span> Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain<\/span> it. Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified<\/span>.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n1 Corinthians 10:7-12<\/b> <\/span>Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, \u201cThe people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to dance.\u201d We must not indulge in immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day. We must not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents; nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer. Now these things happened to them as a warning, but they were written down for our instruction, upon whom the end of the ages has come. Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall<\/span>.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\nGalatians 5:1, 4-7<\/span> <\/span>For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast<\/span> therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. . . . You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working <\/span>through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying <\/span>the truth?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\nPhilippians 3:8-17<\/b><\/span> Indeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him<\/span>, not having a righteousness of my own, based on law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith; that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that if possible I may attain<\/span> the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this<\/span> or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own<\/span>, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brethren, I do not consider that I have made it my own<\/span>; but one thing I do, forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal<\/span> for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature be thus minded; and if in anything you are otherwise minded, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true<\/span> to what we have attained. Brethren, join in imitating me, and mark those who so live as you have an example in us.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\nColossians 1:21-23<\/b><\/span> And you, who once were estranged and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and irreproachable before him, provided that you continue in the faith<\/span>, stable and steadfast<\/span>, not shifting from the hope of the gospel which you heard, . . .<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n1 Timothy 4:1 <\/span><\/span>Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith<\/span> by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,<\/span><\/p>\n1 Timothy 4:16<\/b><\/span> Take heed<\/span> to yourself and to your teaching; hold<\/span> to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>\n1 Timothy 5:15<\/span> <\/span>For some have already strayed<\/span> after Satan.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n*****<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\nMeta Description:\u00a0Dialogue with a Baptist about \u201cworking out [one\u2019s] salvation.\u201d What does it mean? 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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