{"id":73392,"date":"2023-05-22T08:55:00","date_gmt":"2023-05-22T12:55:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=73392"},"modified":"2023-05-22T08:55:00","modified_gmt":"2023-05-22T12:55:00","slug":"reply-to-hays-catholicism-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2023\/05\/reply-to-hays-catholicism-11.html","title":{"rendered":"Reply to Hays\u2019 \u201cCatholicism\u201d #11"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Visible Church; Eucharist in Acts 2:42; Ever-Changing Catholicism?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/05\/WhoreOfBabylon2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-73107\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/05\/WhoreOfBabylon2-300x220.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"220\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The late\u00a0<\/span><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/drive.google.com\/file\/d\/12RTV6fuxvf0GGCnZRsTh9lTDJcRZq89w\/view\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Steve Hays<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> (1959-2020) was a Calvinist (and anti-Catholic) apologist, who was very active on his blog, called<\/span> <a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjAsa_6h_D-AhUvjIkEHYIgBNYQFnoECA0QAQ&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Ftriablogue.blogspot.com%2F&amp;usg=AOvVaw2ZWaW1pxhwgoZ7JLKlwnnI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Triablogue<\/em>\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">(now continued by Jason Engwer). His 695-page self-published book,<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/drive.google.com\/file\/d\/1m3awWHKjOeSsJBJTlYJI9H36FoGzn81P\/view\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Catholicism<\/em><\/a> \u2014<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> a collection of articles from his site \u2014 has graciously been made available for free. On 9 September 2006, knowing full well my history of being condemned and vilified by other anti-Catholics (and his buddies) like James White, Eric Svendsen, and James Swan, Hays was quite \u2014 almost extraordinarily \u2014 charitable towards me.<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/triablogue.blogspot.com\/2006\/09\/open-letter-to-dave-armstrong.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">He wrote then<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever accused him of being a traitor or apostate or infidel. . . . I have nothing to say, one way or the other, regarding his state of grace. But his sincerity is unquestionable. I also don\u2019t dislike him. . . . I don\u2019t think there\u2019s anything malicious about Armstrong\u2014unlike some people who come to mind. In addition, I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever said he was unintelligent. For the record, it\u2019s obvious that Armstrong has a quick, nimble mind. . . . The term \u201capostasy\u201d carries with it a heavy presumption that the apostate is a hell-bound reprobate. I think it\u2019s unwarranted to assume that all Catholics or converts to Catholicism are damned.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Two-and-a-half years later, starting in April 2009 and up through December 2011 (in the following quotations) his opinion radically changed, and he claimed that I have <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201can evil character,\u201d<\/span> am<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cactually evil,\u201d <\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cego-maniac, narcissist,\u201d \u201cidolater,\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cself-idolater,\u201d \u201chack who pretends to be a professional apologist,\u201d<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">given to <\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cchicanery,\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">one who doesn\u2019t<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cdo any real research,\u201d \u201ca stalwart enemy of the faith . . .\u00a0 no better than <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[the atheists]<\/span> Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens,\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">with an intent to<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cdestroy faith in God\u2019s word,\u201d \u201cschizophrenic,\u201d \u201cemotionally unhinged,\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">one who<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cdoesn\u2019t trust in the merit of Christ alone for salvation,\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201chas no peace of mind,\u201d \u201ca bipolar solipsist,\u201d \u201csplit-personality,\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and a<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> \u201cbad\u201d<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> man. He wasn\u2019t one to mince words! See<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dave.armstrong.798\/posts\/2391711580863813\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">more gory details<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I feel no need whatsoever to reciprocate these silly and sinful insults. I just wanted the record to be known. I\u2019ve always maintained that Hays was a very intelligent man, but habitually <a href=\"https:\/\/www.etymonline.com\/word\/sophism\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a sophist<\/a> in methodology; sincere and well-meaning, but tragically and systematically wrong and misguided regarding Catholicism. That\u2019s what I\u2019m addressing, not the state of his heart and soul (let alone his eternal destiny). It\u2019s a theological discussion. This is one of <em>many<\/em> planned critiques of his book (see<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dave.armstrong.798\/posts\/pfbid02i9cCYq3XgP9ExioN5qQycevrzWqcV9DLMSu5Kw68E9CGhniCcRxqaJs1PE6cY3RKl?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZVFHvpYojqZseLhNy_Lve8EmaHdZBfJ5UJaMuKSRTp4c1iMjXmlDzhhIrhEMCyXQC2B6gUz_wiDHiB4ITFuiuXZTYsnS07x9EVi7P3k93awPX7nt6LowBFsdgA4dAJwQH8&amp;__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my reasons why<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">I decided to do this). Rather than list them all here, interested readers are directed to the \u201cSteve Hays\u201d section of my<\/span> <a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/anti-catholicism-index-page.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Anti-Catholicism web page<\/a>, <span style=\"color: #000000;\">where they will all be listed. My Bible citations are from the RSV. Steve\u2019s words will be in\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[<strong>Chapter 3: Competing Paradigms<\/strong>]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Finding the church<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Catholic converts and apologists like Bryan Cross harp on \u201cthe visible church\u201d. Where do you find the visible church? [p. 94]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In the Bible:<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/09\/visible-hierarchical-apostolic-church.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Visible, Hierarchical, Apostolic Church<\/a>\u00a0[1996]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/08\/1-timothy-315-sola-scriptura-visible-church-authority.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">1 Timothy 3:15:\u00a0<em>Sola Scriptura<\/em>\u00a0or Visible Church Authority?<\/a>\u00a0[10-2-07]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/debunking-the-mythical-invisible-church.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Debunking the Mythical Invisible Church<\/a>\u00a0[9-14-15]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/darmstrong\/is-the-one-true-church-a-visible-or-invisible-entity\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Is the One True Church a Visible or Invisible Entity?<\/a>\u00a0[<em>National Catholic Register<\/em>, 9-12-18]<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Protestants don\u2019t have a visible church. [p. 94]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Then that is one of many ways in which they are unbiblical. But it\u2019s incorrect for Hays to make such a blanket statement about <em>all<\/em> Protestants. Anglicans believe in a visible Church. Even Hays\u2019 master John Calvin casually assumed that it existed:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>How we are to judge the <em>church visible<\/em>, which falls within our knowledge, is, I believe, already evident from the above discussion. For we have said that Holy Scripture speaks of the church in two ways. Sometimes by the term \u201cchurch\u201d it means that which is actually in God\u2019s presence, into which no persons are received but those who are children of God by grace of adoption and true members of Christ by sanctification of the Holy Spirit. Then, indeed, the church includes not only the saints presently living on earth, but all the elect from the beginning of the world. Often, however, the name \u201cchurch\u201d designates the whole multitude of men spread over the earth who profess to worship one God and Christ. By baptism we are initiated into faith in him; by partaking in the Lord\u2019s Supper we attest our unity in true doctrine and love; in the Word of the Lord we have agreement, and for the preaching of the Word the ministry instituted by Christ is preserved. <em>In this church are mingled many hypocrites who have nothing of Christ but the name and outward appearance<\/em>. There are very many ambitious, greedy, envious persons, evil speakers, and some of quite unclean life. (<em>Institutes of the Christian Religion<\/em> [Philadelphia, 1960], Book IV, Chapter 1, Section 7: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.monergism.com\/distinction-between-visible-and-invisible-church\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cInvisible and Visible Church\u201d<\/a>; italics my own)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Here\u2019s another definition of the church:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to fellowship, to the breaking of bread, and prayer<\/em> (Acts 2:42).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">That\u2019s a nifty compact definition. A functional definition. . . . <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">This is where you find \u201cthe church\u201d. You find the church whenever and whenever you find groups of Christians who exemplify Acts 2:42, both inside and outside of church.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[p. 94]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not a definition of the Church<em> at all<\/em>. Rather, it\u2019s a description of how one group of the earliest Christians (Acts 11:26) \u2014 in Jerusalem \u2014 <em>acted<\/em>. If I say, \u201cthese athletes warmed up by throwing the ball around, kept in physical shape, sat on the bench, ran around the bases, hit a pitched ball with a bat, and caught balls in the air,\u201d that\u2019s a description of baseball players: not the definition of baseball itself.<\/p>\n<p>If Hays wants to argue in this fashion, I could just as well cite the actions of Christians in the seven churches of Revelation, too: \u201cyou have abandoned the love you had at first\u201d (Rev 2:4; of the church in Ephesus); \u201cyou are dead\u201d (Rev 3:1; of the church in Sardis); \u201cyou are lukewarm, . . . wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked\u201d (Rev 3:16-17; of the church in Laodicea).<\/p>\n<p>Or how about the Galatian Christians, whom Paul calls his \u201cbrethren\u201d in \u201cthe churches of Galatia\u201d (Gal 1:2)? He also said that they were \u201cquickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel\u201d (Gal 1:6), and \u201cAre you so foolish? Having begun with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?\u201d (3:3), and \u201cnow that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits, whose slaves you want to be once more?\u201d (4:9), and \u201cI am afraid I have labored over you in vain\u201d (4:11).<\/p>\n<p>All of these people from four local churches are regarded in Scripture (and by Paul) as Christians and brothers and sisters in Christ, yet this is how <em>they<\/em> acted. Even Paul described <em>himself<\/em> \u2014 \u201cthe foremost of sinners\u201d (1 Tim 1:15) \u2014 as follows:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Romans 7:15, 19, 23-24<\/strong> I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. . . . [19] For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. . . . [23] but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin which dwells in my members. [24] Wretched man that I am! . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Therefore, it follows that we can\u2019t define the church by how believers act, because it\u2019s <em>unbiblical<\/em>. If we wanted to reason like Steve, it would follow that it\u2019s just as biblical to define a Christian as \u201cdead\u201d or \u201clukewarm\u201d or \u201cwretched\u201d or one who is \u201cturning to a different gospel\u201d than it is to describe them as Luke did in Acts 2:42. And that\u2019s because the Church, which is visible, according to Holy Scripture, has wheat and weeds (or tares), as Jesus taught (Mt 13:24-30).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Does \u201cbreaking of bread\u201d (cf. v46-47) allude to the eucharist or ordinary communal Christian meals? False dichotomy inasmuch as that formal distinction didn\u2019t exist at the time. The eucharist was incorporated into common meals (cf. 1 Cor 10-11). [p. 94]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Many classic Protestant commentators, contrary to Hays, think it is referring to the Eucharist here (and it is the most prevalent historical view):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/ellicott\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Ellicott\u2019s Commentary for English Readers<\/em><\/a>: <span class=\"bld\">And in breaking of bread, and in prayers.<\/span>\u2014(3) St. Luke uses the phrase, we must remember, in the sense which, when he wrote, it had acquired in St. Paul\u2019s hands. It can have no meaning less solemn than the commemorative \u201cbreaking of bread,\u201d of\u00a01 Corinthians 10:16. From the very first what was afterwards known as the Lord\u2019s Supper (see Note on\u00a01 Corinthians 11:20) took its place with baptism as a permanent universal element in the Church\u2019s life. At first, it would seem, the evening meal of every day was such a supper. Afterwards the two elements that had then been united were developed separately, the social into the\u00a0<span class=\"ital\">Agap\u0153,\u00a0<\/span>or Feasts of Love (Jude 1:12, and\u2014though here there is a various-reading\u20142 Peter 2:13), the other into the Communion, or Eucharistic Sacrifice.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/gill\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Gill\u2019s Exposition of the Entire Bible<\/em><\/a>: and in breaking of bread; or \u201cof the eucharist\u201d: as the Syriac version renders it, which was [the] usual name with the ancients for the Lord\u2019s supper; and which seems to be intended here, and not eating common bread, or a common meal; seeing it is here mentioned with religious exercises: and though the Jews used to begin their meals with breaking of bread, yet the whole repast, or meal, is never by them called by that name . . .<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/egt\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Expositor\u2019s Greek Testament<\/a><\/em>: no interpretation is satisfactory which forgets . . . that the author of Acts had behind him Pauline language and doctrine, and that we are justified in adducing the language of St. Paul in order to explain the words before us, <span class=\"ital\">cf.<\/span>\u00a01 Corinthians 10:16;\u00a01 Corinthians 11:24,\u00a0Acts 20:7 . . . But if we admit this, we cannot consistently explain the expression of a mere common meal. It may be true that every such meal in the early days of the Church\u2019s first love had a religious significance, that it became a type and evidence of the kingdom of God amongst the believers, but St. Paul\u2019s habitual reference of the words before us to the Lord\u2019s Supper leads us to see in them here a reference to the commemoration of the Lord\u2019s death, although we may admit that it is altogether indisputable that this commemoration at first followed a common meal.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/cambridge\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges<\/em><\/a>: The earliest title of the Holy Communion and that by which it is mostly spoken of in Scripture. (See\u00a0Acts 20:7;\u00a01 Corinthians 10:16, &amp;c.)<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/pulpit\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pulpit Commentary<\/a><\/em>: in the Holy Eucharist (see\u00a0Matthew 26:26;\u00a0Mark 14:22;\u00a0Luke 22:19;\u00a0Luke 24:30;\u00a01 Corinthians 11:24;\u00a01 Corinthians 10:16;\u00a0Acts 20:7).<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/vws\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Vincent\u2019s Word Studies<\/a><\/em>: Used by Luke only, and only in the phrase breaking of bread. The kindred verb \u03ba\u03bb\u03b1\u0301\u03b6\u03c9 or \u03ba\u03bb\u03b1\u0301\u03c9, to break, occurs often, but, like the noun, only of breaking bread. Hence used to designate the celebration of the Lord\u2019s Supper.<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/alford\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Alford\u2019s<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/alford\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary<\/a><\/em>: The interpretation of \u1f21 \u03ba\u03bb. \u03c4. \u1f04\u03c1\u03c4. [here] as\u00a0<span class=\"ital\">the celebration of the Lord\u2019s Supper<\/span>\u00a0has been, both in ancient and modern times, the prevalent one. Chrysostom himself, in his 27th Hom. on 1 Cor., p. 422, interprets it, or at all events \u03c4\u1fc7 \u03ba\u03bf\u03b9\u03bd\u03c9\u03bd\u03af\u1fb3 and it together, of the Holy Communion.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/calvin\/acts\/2.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Calvin\u2019s Commentaries<\/em><\/a>: my reason why I would rather have breaking of bread to be understood of the Lord\u2019s Supper in this place is this, because Luke doth reckon up those things wherein the public estate of the Church is contained. Yea, he expresseth in this place four marks whereby the true and natural face of the Church may be judged.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Rome\u2019s house of cards<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Catholicism, since about the time of Pius XII, has been undergoing drastic change\u2013a trend accelerated by Pope Francis. So it\u2019s unclear, after the <\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">dust settles, what Catholicism still represents. I pity someone attempting to write an introduction to the Catholic faith under the pontificate of Francis. That may be out of date before the ink is dry. Catholics must consult the daily newspaper to know what they\u2019re still supposed to believe. [p. 95]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In fact, there have been <em>no changes in doctrine or dogma at all<\/em>. There are a good number of confused and undereducated Catholics flapping their mouths about supposed change in the Church or with Pope Francis, but they are wrong, and they can\u2019t document that anything has actually changed. A Catholic doesn\u2019t find the doctrines and beliefs of his or her Church by reading newspapers. They find it, rather, in the Catechism, the ecumenical councils, papal encyclicals and other utterances, and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Enchiridion_symbolorum,_definitionum_et_declarationum_de_rebus_fidei_et_morum\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Denzinger\u2019s <em>Enchiridion<\/em><\/a> (see<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Enchiridion-Symbolorum-Compendium-Definitions-Declarations\/dp\/0898707463\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> the latest 2012 edition<\/a>): the standard reference source for what the Catholic Church believes.<\/p>\n<p>If someone thinks that some Catholic doctrine has changed, they are welcome to try to prove it by consulting these sources. I can save them the trouble. As a credentialed full-time Catholic apologist for 21 years (with several Imprimaturs, etc.), I can attest that no doctrine has changed or been thrown out. If someone thinks otherwise, they need to prove it \u201cfrom the books\u201d; not merely assert it with no proof at all (as Hays habitually does). He\u2019s firing blanks. Much ado about nothing. If he actually could \u201cproduce the goods\u201d and nail down his case, then he certainly <em>would<\/em> have. The fact that he <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em> even <em>attempt<\/em> to do so is a roundabout concession that he has nothing and so can only indulge in empty rhetoric.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<p><strong><em>Practical Matters<\/em><\/strong>: Perhaps some of my 4,200+ free online articles (the most comprehensive \u201cone-stop\u201d Catholic apologetics site) or\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link 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Church<\/a>,\u00a0or better understand some doctrines and\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link 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If so, please seriously consider a much-needed financial contribution. I\u2019m always in need of more funds: especially\u00a0<em>monthly<\/em>\u00a0support. \u201cThe laborer is worthy of his wages\u201d (1 Tim 5:18, NKJV). 1 December 2021 was my 20th anniversary as a\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/my-literary-resume.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">full-time Catholic apologist<\/a>,\u00a0and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.com\/us\/webapps\/mpp\/sem\/account-selection-signup\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">PayPal donations<\/a>\u00a0are the easiest: just send to my email address: apologistdave@gmail.com. You\u2019ll see the term \u201cCatholic Used Book Service\u201d, which is my old side-business. To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0from the bottom of my heart!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>The Whore of Babylon<\/em>\u00a0(workshop of Lucas Cranach): colorized illustration from Martin Luther\u2019s 1534 translation of the Bible\u00a0<\/span>[public domain \/\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Whore-babylon-luther-bible-1534.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: The late Steve Hays was a Calvinist and anti-Catholic writer and apologist. This is one of my many critiques of Hays\u2019 \u201cCatholicism\u201d: a 695-page self-published volume.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Visible Church; Eucharist in Acts 2:42; Ever-Changing Catholicism? The late\u00a0Steve Hays (1959-2020) was a Calvinist (and anti-Catholic) apologist, who was very active on his blog, called Triablogue\u00a0(now continued by Jason Engwer). His 695-page self-published book,\u00a0Catholicism \u2014 a collection of articles from his site \u2014 has graciously been made available for free. On 9 September 2006, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":73107,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[231,131],"tags":[2361,17736,17733,17730,17724,2119],"class_list":["post-73392","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anti-catholicism","category-church-ecclesiology","tag-anti-catholicism","tag-calvinist-anti-catholicism","tag-calvinist-steve-hays","tag-critiques-of-catholicism","tag-hays-catholicism","tag-steve-hays"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Reply to Hays\u2019 \u201cCatholicism\u201d #11 Reply to Hays\u2019 \u201cCatholicism\u201d #11<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Visible Church; Eucharist in Acts 2:42; Ever-Changing Catholicism? 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. They have three sons and a daughter, and reside in southeast Michigan (metro Detroit).","sameAs":["https:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/","https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dave.armstrong.798","https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@LuxVeritatisApologetics"],"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/author\/davearmstrong"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73392","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2331"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=73392"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73392\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/73107"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=73392"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=73392"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=73392"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}