{"id":74489,"date":"2023-06-30T13:22:21","date_gmt":"2023-06-30T17:22:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=74489"},"modified":"2023-07-03T18:38:58","modified_gmt":"2023-07-03T22:38:58","slug":"dialogue-on-meritorious-works-the-gospel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2023\/06\/dialogue-on-meritorious-works-the-gospel.html","title":{"rendered":"Dialogue on Meritorious Works &#038; the Gospel"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/06\/RichYoungRuler.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-74498\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/06\/RichYoungRuler-300x237.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"237\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100018923140287&amp;__cft__%5B0%5D=AZVlF27BofS5OqFt2YZ9mEDJy-9Dfso9u4oXgCYBAK1Ura5kH3_BheTbeWm7DlegDnZn-8U_0Kr6Inl6sRRAt51PrjWf9rrTWRbSTQC9DsGJcOdGnDho8Ev-Q94Xb1FaHGDfgFK-t66coUIlIvQu2G_t1nlMeg1wUxcubgeSptKAHw&amp;__tn__=R%5D-R\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jim Anderson<\/a> appears to be a Presbyterian, and is an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/01\/theological-doctrinal-anti-catholicism-scholarly-use.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">anti-Catholic<\/a>. The following exchange occurred on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/Ken.Litchfield\/posts\/pfbid07so2vcUaLd5KnyzRhwKJVRuXLPVsrjdDCH8qHd3rcxykcKCQjKmAuPAGnYrTsubXl?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZVlF27BofS5OqFt2YZ9mEDJy-9Dfso9u4oXgCYBAK1Ura5kH3_BheTbeWm7DlegDnZn-8U_0Kr6Inl6sRRAt51PrjWf9rrTWRbSTQC9DsGJcOdGnDho8Ev-Q94Xb1FaHGDfgFK-t66coUIlIvQu2G_t1nlMeg1wUxcubgeSptKAHw&amp;__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a public Facebook page<\/a>, below a shared meme that I had shared, regarding Catholic liturgy. Jim\u2019s words will be in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">How one holds one\u2019s hands during prayer is wholly irrelevant. It is what is in one\u2019s heart that matters. Armstrong seems to be tied up in religious rituals, but he may not realize he is seriously misleading earnest Catholics into thinking these things are important. Note how the Catholic church is micromanaging how people use their hands during the religious worship service, rather than focusing on actually teaching the word of God and pointing all members to Christ alone for salvation. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, Ken. Seriously, you don\u2019t buy into this, do you?<\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Typical either\/or false dichotomy nonsense. If we care about structure and order in liturgy we must be inexorably opposed to the Bible and salvation. I say that God takes <em>all<\/em> things seriously, and that includes <em>how we worship<\/em>. Virtually every Christian group has some kind of rules for worship. We couldn\u2019t show up <em>naked<\/em>, could we? I use an extreme example to illustrate the fact that rules are present, virtually everywhere.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">There is a regulative principle, that says that we should worship God in the manner in which He wants to be worshipped. That guideline is scripture. Catholics are free to move their hands in circles during certain parts of the \u201cmass\u201d if they want. Catholicism is a religion that is very full of ritual, and fairly short on scriptural theology.<\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Dave, what I object to is the misleading of Catholics by meaningless rituals (\u201chold your hands exactly this way\u201d) that they infer will make them more holy. Sit, stand, kneel. I have been to thousands of masses and know it well. And yet, there are very few Catholics who could summarize the gospel. Why is that? <\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I have a deep love for Catholics, having been raised on, and do not want to see any of them lost for eternity. And yet, it is possible (I am not the Judge, God is) that most actually are headed there.<\/span><br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/fictional-dialogue-vain-repetition-liturgy.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Fictional Dialogue: \u201cVain Repetition\u201d &amp; Liturgy<\/a>\u00a0[1995]<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/08\/biblical-evidence-formal-prayer-isnt-vain-repetition.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Biblical Evidence: Formal Prayer Isn\u2019t \u201cVain Repetition\u201d<\/a>\u00a0[2009]<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/vain-repetition-jesus-shows-what-its-not.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cVain Repetition\u201d: Jesus Shows What it\u2019s\u00a0<em>Not<\/em>\u00a0(Did Jesus Condemn All Formal and\/or Repetitious Prayers: Like the Rosary and the Mass?)<\/a>\u00a0[7-22-10]<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/03\/thoughts-and-discussion-on-informal.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Informal Worship vs. Formal Catholic Liturgy<\/a>\u00a0[3-4-13]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/01\/bible-on-wholehearted-formal-worship.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bible on Wholehearted Formal Worship<\/a>\u00a0[6-4-07; revised and expanded 1-22-16]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/01\/catholics-never-hear-gospel-jesus-mass.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Catholics Never Hear About the Gospel or Jesus at Mass?\u00a0<\/a>[6-4-07]<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">You\u2019re providing a bit of a strawman here. Please focus on the topic if you would care to comment.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But, that being said, I will absolutely stand by the fact that Catholics are not taught the gospel, and I am not referring to the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (which are often referred to as \u201cthe gospels\u201d) but to the message of salvation. See Romans 1:16 for one mention of it.<\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">This is not a criticism of Catholics, who are earnestly seeking God for the most part, and want to be closer to God. This is an indictment of official Catholicism, which misleads Catholics at almost every turn. I love Catholics, including Ken [Litchfield], and would hate to see any lost for eternity. And yet, it is possible that most will be.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/04\/what-is-the-gospel.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">What is the Gospel? Catholic-Protestant Agreement\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0[12-3-96 and 1-4-97]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/do-catholics-the-catholic-church-preach-the-gospel.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Do Catholics &amp; the Catholic Church Preach the Gospel?<\/a>\u00a0[2002]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/10\/galatians-and-the-gospel-dialogue-with-a-calvinist.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Galatians and the Gospel: Dialogue with a Calvinist<\/a>\u00a0[1997]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/09\/gospel-defined-by-the-earliest-christian-preaching.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Gospel: Defined by the Earliest Christian Preaching<\/a>\u00a0[January 1988; rev. 7-8-02]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/09\/good-news-evangelical-catholic-gospel-presented.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Good News: Evangelical &amp; Catholic Gospel Presented<\/a>\u00a0[June 1982;\u00a0rev. 7-17-02]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The \u201cwhat is the gospel\u201d article is extremely poor exposition of scripture, though faithful to official Catholic teaching.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">No need to keep flogging bad theology, Dave. I am already familiar with it. But, if you want to know what the gospel is, in the word of God, and not disparate, cherry-picked and out of context verses, see Ephesians 2:1-10 as one great summary. Titus 3:3-7 is another, with Romans (really, the entire book) 3:21-26 being yet another.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">One overriding principle throughout scripture is that salvation is solely through the grace of God. We see that in numerous texts, and I am certain you will agree. Yet, Catholicism denies this, since it claims that the human ritual of water baptism forgives sins, that individuals can merit part of their salvation (CCC 2027), that the \u201cmass\u201d is an actual sacrifice and forgives sins, and the membership in the Catholic church is required for salvation, though it speaks out of both sides of its mouth a bit on this and others.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Do you want to know how you can be saved from what each one of us created humans, including you, so richly deserve, which is an eternity in hell?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">Let\u2019s cut through the crap and your obnoxious spiritual pride. Tell me (big Bible expert): What was the gospel and way to get saved according to Jesus, when he talked to the rich young ruler, after he asked Him, \u201cwhat must I do to inherit\u00a0eternal life?\u201d (Mk 10:17, RSV).<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Wow, Dave. I guess I have touched a nerve to warrant such vitriol. I have never gotten personal with you, but you are now reflecting a behavior that is far too typical of Catholics for some reason.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But, to the text, which is far more important. You asked about Mark 10:17. Let\u2019s take a look at the extended thought for context:<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Mark 10:17-27<\/strong> [unspecified translation] \u201c17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, \u201cGood Teacher, what shall I do so that I may inherit eternal life?\u201d 18 But Jesus said to him, \u201cWhy do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: \u2018Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not give false testimony, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.\u2019\u201d 20 And he said to Him, \u201cTeacher, I have kept all these things from my youth.\u201d 21 Looking at him, Jesus showed love to him and said to him, \u201cOne thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.\u201d 22 But he [i]was deeply dismayed by [j]these words, and he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property. 23 And Jesus, looking around, *said to His disciples, \u201cHow hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!\u201d 24 And the disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus responded again and *said to them, \u201cChildren, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.\u201d 26 And they were even more astonished, and said to Him, \u201c[k]Then who can be saved?\u201d 27 Looking at them, Jesus *said, \u201cWith people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.\u201d\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Jesus makes the strong point here which is obvious and consistent, that man cannot merit salvation. This may not seem intuitive at first, but Jesus speaks of the law. The man says, well I obey the law. Of course he does not, perfectly, and is therefore worthy of condemnation. Jesus illustrates this man\u2019s unbelief by giving him a command he doesn\u2019t want to follow: sell everything and follow Jesus. \u201cFollow Jesus\u201d here is the continual and emphatic teaching of Jesus: for salvation, believe in Him. The entire chapter of John 6 is this message: HE is God, believe in Him.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">*<br>\nThe remainder of the text from Mark 10 only emphasizes the fact that the efforts of man (do good works, sell your possessions, follow the law) can never merit one salvation. Salvation comes only from God, by His grace, because of His mercy, to demonstrate His glory, through Christ alone, by faith alone.<\/span><br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">You distort what Jesus actually said, which was, \u201cYou lack one thing; go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.\u201d (Mk 10:21). In other words, if the person did this particular work (selling all he had and giving to the poor) he would be saved (since Jesus said he would be in heaven). That is a work flowing from faith, and it\u2019s merit. You lied earlier and said that man can do no work or merit that will help him attain salvation.<br>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">The biblical and Catholic teaching is that we are saved by grace through faith, which necessarily includes works, since James says \u201cfaith without works is dead\u201d). Accordingly, when the Bible discusses how we are saved and how we get into heaven, it mentions works in fifty passages. In just one of them is faith mentioned, and it\u2019s not \u201calone\u201d; works are also mentioned:<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/final-judgment-works-not-faith-50-passages.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Final Judgment &amp;\u00a0<em>Works<\/em>\u00a0(Not Faith): 50 Passages<\/a>\u00a0[2-10-08]<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">See also the related:<br>\n*<br>\n<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/st-paul-on-grace-faith-works-50-passages.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">St. Paul on Grace, Faith, &amp; Works (50 Passages)<\/a>\u00a0[8-6-08]<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">The rest of Mark 10 doesn\u2019t teach the unbiblical tradition of men, \u201cfaith alone,\u201d either. In fact, Jesus mentions more works (as an outgrowth of saving faith) as the way to be saved:<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>Mark 10:28-30<\/strong> Peter began to say to him, \u201cLo, we have left everything\u00a0and followed you.\u201d [29] Jesus said, \u201cTruly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, [30] who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">More merit and works and heroic self-sacrifice (leaving families and properties), in other words: the very things that you falsely claim have <strong><em>nothing<\/em><\/strong> to do with salvation at all. I\u2019ll go with what Jesus said, thank you: not what you say, in instances where it contradicts Our Lord and Savior.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Matthew 25 is another passage where Jesus explains how one achieves salvation and eternal life and entrance into heaven. \u201cFaith alone\u201d is never mentioned, though I would say faith is part of the equation, based on many other passages. It\u2019s all merit and works that are mentioned, for some odd reason (no evangelical I know would explain it as Jesus did):<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>Matthew 25:31-36, 41-46<\/strong> (RSV) \u201cWhen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. [32] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, [33] and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. [34] Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; [35] for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, [36] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.\u2019 . . . [41] Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; [42] for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, [43] I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.\u2019 [44] Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?\u2019 [45] Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.\u2019 [46] And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.\u201d<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>*<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">So, in your view, if someone sells everything they have and gives it to the poor, they are saved? No, that is incorrect. You missed the point of this story, Dave.<\/span><br>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">That\u2019s what Jesus <em>said<\/em> would be the case, when a person asked Him, \u201cwhat must I do to\u00a0inherit eternal life?\u201d He advised him to do a meritorious work: which, above, you denied had anything to do with salvation.<br>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">And would you like to understand James 2 better, since you do not do so now?<\/span><br>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">I\u2019ve written about it many times, including in debate with James White. But we will not move away from this passage, which is the constant anti-Catholic method when they have no answer to a Catholic argument: ignore it and quickly move to something else. That\u2019s child\u2019s play. I\u2019m interested in serious exegesis.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Titus 3:5. You are quite welcome.<\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>Titus 3:5<\/strong> (RSV) he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,<br>\n*<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Yes, this is teaching salvation by grace alone, which Catholics fully accept. We condemned Pelagianism (salvation by works) long ago. But that\u2019s different from works flowing out of the intrinsic nature faith. Paul is denying works salvation (i.e., works without faith or grace as a supposed cause of salvation). He writes many times about meritorious good works (soaked in grace, and done with faith) as part of salvation (see the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/st-paul-on-grace-faith-works-50-passages.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">collection of 50 of his passages<\/a> that I linked to above).<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Moreover, here he teaches baptismal regeneration for salvation as well, as he did in two other passages, too:<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>Romans 6:3-4<\/strong> \u201cOr don\u2019t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.\u201d<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>1 Corinthians 6:11<\/strong> \u201cAnd such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.\u201d<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">Moreover, he accepted the word of Ananias about his own baptism:<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>Acts 22:16<\/strong> \u201cAnd now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.\u201d<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">what could you possibly do for God that He needs?<\/span><br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">God, of course, doesn\u2019t \u201cneed\u201d anything. He tells is what <strong><em>we<\/em><\/strong> need to do in order to be saved.<br>\n*<br>\n<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">All your righteous works are like used tampons (Isaiah 64:6).<\/span><br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Isaiah 64:6 is about one particular instance in time where the Israelites had become corrupt. It\u2019s not saying that all works whatsoever are worthless. That\u2019s eisegesis. God explained how all this works in Isaiah 1:<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>Isaiah 1:4, 13-19<\/strong> Ah, sinful nation,\u00a0a people laden with iniquity,\u00a0offspring of evildoers,\u00a0sons who deal corruptly!\u00a0They have forsaken the LORD,\u00a0they have despised the Holy One of Israel,\u00a0they are utterly estranged. . . .\u00a0[13] Bring no more vain offerings;\u00a0incense is an abomination to me.\u00a0New moon and sabbath and the calling of assemblies \u2014\u00a0I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.\u00a0[14] Your new moons and your appointed feasts\u00a0my soul hates;\u00a0they have become a burden to me,\u00a0I am weary of bearing them.\u00a0[15] When you spread forth your hands,\u00a0I will hide my eyes from you;\u00a0even though you make many prayers,\u00a0I will not listen;\u00a0your hands are full of blood.\u00a0[16] Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;\u00a0remove the evil of your doings\u00a0from before my eyes;\u00a0cease to do evil,\u00a0[17] learn to do good;\u00a0seek justice,\u00a0correct oppression;\u00a0defend the fatherless,\u00a0plead for the widow.\u00a0[18] \u201cCome now, let us reason together,\u00a0says the LORD:\u00a0though your sins are like scarlet,\u00a0they shall be as white as snow;\u00a0though they are red like crimson,\u00a0they shall become like wool.\u00a0[19] If you are willing and obedient,\u00a0you shall eat the good of the land;<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Once again, the solution includes meritorious works (\u201clearn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; defend the fatherless, plead for the widow.\u201d). But it\u2019s <em>certainly<\/em> not asserting that<em> all works <strong>whatsoever<\/strong><\/em> are worthless and like menstrual rags. God was saying through Isaiah that when His people forsake Him and do evil, that even their ostensibly good works and acts of worship are unacceptable to Him. They must change their heart and do good works to get right with Him again.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Later in the book, the example of Hezekiah again illustrates the biblical, Catholic principle of faith and works operating together:<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong>Isaiah 38:1-6<\/strong> In those days Hezeki\u2019ah became sick and was at the point of death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came to him, and said to him, \u201cThus says the LORD: Set your house in order; for you shall die, you shall not recover.\u201d [2] Then Hezeki\u2019ah turned his face to the wall, and prayed to the LORD, [3] and said, \u201cRemember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in faithfulness and with a whole heart, and have done what is good in thy sight.\u201d And Hezeki\u2019ah wept bitterly. [4] Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah: [5] \u201cGo and say to Hezeki\u2019ah, Thus says the LORD, the God of David your father: I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add fifteen years to your life. [6] I will deliver you and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria, and defend this city.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">\u201cDone what is good\u201d is part of Hezekiah\u2019s repentance. Meritorious works can\u2019t be separated. God didn\u2019t tell <strong><em>him<\/em><\/strong> that His \u201crighteous deeds are like a polluted garment\u201d (Is 64:6). This is my point. You have taken a passage about one particular situation and made it universal, when in fact, such a reading contradicts hundreds of other Bible passages. Isaiah 64:6 must be understood in light of contextual passages like \u201cWe have become like those over whom thou hast never ruled, . . .\u201d (63:19) and \u201cin our sins we have been a long time\u201d (64:5) and \u201cThere is no one that calls upon thy name\u201d (64:7).<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Do you want to discuss James 2? I will, if you only agree to be polite (it is necessary to remind Catholics of this) and stay with scripture. I will share some reading material for you, as you have done with me. Sound teaching on James 2.<\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ligonier.org\/learn\/qas\/does-james-2-24-refute-the-doctrine-of-justification-by-faith-alone\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Does James 2:24 refute the doctrine of justification by faith alone?<\/a> (Stephen Nichols, Steven Lawson, and Burk Parsons; answers given during our\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ligonier.org\/learn\/conferences\/a-continuing-reformation-2021-pittsburgh-conference\/questions-and-answers-lawson-nichols-parsons-2021-pittsburgh\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">A Continuing Reformation: Pittsburgh 2021 Conference<\/a>).<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.desiringgod.org\/messages\/does-james-contradict-paul\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Does James Contradict Paul?<\/a> (John Piper)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gotquestions.org\/faith-alone.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">How can you believe in salvation by faith alone when the only occurrence of \u201cfaith alone\u201d in the Bible (James 2:24) says that salvation is not by faith alone?<\/a> (<em>Got Questions<\/em>)<br>\n*<br>\nMy writings on James (which refute what you posted above):<br>\n*<br>\n<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/justification-in-james-dialogue.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Justification in James: Dialogue<\/a>\u00a0[5-8-02]<br>\n*<br>\n<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/catholic-justification-in-james-romans.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cCatholic Justification\u201d in James &amp; Romans<\/a>\u00a0[11-18-15]<br>\n*<br>\n<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/10\/reply-to-james-whites-exegesis-of-james.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Reply to James White\u2019s Exegesis of James 2 in Chapter 20 of His Book,\u00a0<em>The God Who Justifies<\/em><\/a>\u00a0[10-9-13]<br>\n*<br>\n<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2023\/03\/luther-james-faith-works-additional-relevant-data.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Luther, James, Faith &amp; Works: Additional Relevant Data<\/a>\u00a0[3-7-23]<br>\n*<br>\n<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">I don\u2019t hang around on Facebook all day, so may not respond quickly, but please provide your reasoned thoughts based on the articles that I provided. You can disagree, but only from contextual scripture.<\/span><br>\n*<br>\nI have to eat a late breakfast [it was 10:30]. I\u2019ll be back to continue in about ten minutes . . .<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<br>\nI brought up the rich young ruler, which is directly relevant to your claims that all works have nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. I will not follow a rabbit trail that you want to use in order to get out of being embarrassed about\u00a0your botched eisegesis of the rich young ruler passage. You have to directly address it. I\u2019ve written about everything you can bring up, believe me, in my more than 4,300 articles and 53 books, written over 42 years.<br>\n*<br>\nSo, getting back to the topic that we were talking about (before you become too busy and have to leave): When Jesus said, and advised, \u201cYou lack one thing; go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me\u201d (Mk 10:21), was that 1) salvific, and 2) a [good] work, and 3) a meritorious work?<br>\n*<br>\nSo you\u2019re <em>already gone<\/em>, huh? What is the estimated time that you will be able to come back and answer my three questions about the rich young ruler passage? [his last reply was 35 minutes earlier, as of the time of this comment on Facebook; it was two hours and 34 minutes at the time I was compiling this blog article]<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">My mistake was going to eat breakfast. That gave Jim an excuse to split and get off of the hot seat. I had to eat breakfast when I did because I have low blood sugar (and it was 10:30). Oh well. Maybe Jim will return. In the meantime, this will be an excellent new dialogue for my blog. It\u2019s all public material!<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Interesting that you push this so hard<\/span> [cites my three questions to him]. <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Dave, if this is a deep-seated belief of yours, and I assume that you seek eternal life, have you in fact sold all your worldly possessions and given them to the poor? And if not, why not?<\/span><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Glad to see that you decided to continue! Don\u2019t evade. It makes you look foolish. How do you answer my three questions? I never asserted that selling all of one\u2019s possessions is required of <em>everyone<\/em>. You have simply erroneously projected that onto me and (possibly) the Catholic position. The parable of the talents and many other passages contradict such an assertion. So, nice try.<br>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">Jesus told this one person that a work was required for his salvation. How can this be? How does it square with your unbiblical, extreme \u201cabsolutely no works or merit\u201d position?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<br>\nIf you say, then, that this passage is irrelevant for all people, since it was a unique situation, then I counter with Matthew 25 (already presented) which has to do with <strong><em>all<\/em> <\/strong>of us at the Judgment, and with 48 other passages regarding works and their relation to salvation.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">You need to answer my three questions or concede the argument, in which case it seems to me that your soteriology would be in crisis (the very reason, I suspect, why you have refused to answer thus far: the stakes are very high!).<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">See also the related articles:<br>\n*\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/jesus-vs-faith-alone-rich-young-ruler.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Jesus vs. \u201cFaith Alone\u201d (Rich Young Ruler)<\/a>\u00a0[10-12-15]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/dialogue-rich-young-ruler-good-works.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dialogue: Rich Young Ruler &amp; Good Works<\/a>\u00a0[10-14-15]<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>I\u2019m gettin\u2019 lonely again, talking to the wind . . . oh well. Jim needs time to ponder a lot more Scripture than he is accustomed to thinking about. 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I\u2019m always in need of more funds: especially <em>monthly<\/em>\u00a0support. \u201cThe laborer is worthy of his wages\u201d (1 Tim 5:18, NKJV). 1 December 2021 was my 20th anniversary as a\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/my-literary-resume.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">full-time Catholic apologist<\/a>,\u00a0and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog.<\/p>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.com\/us\/webapps\/mpp\/sem\/account-selection-signup\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">PayPal donations<\/a>\u00a0are the easiest: just send to my email address: apologistdave@gmail.com. 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To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0from the bottom of my heart!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>Christ and the Rich Young Ruler<\/em>\u00a0(1889), by Heinrich Hofmann (1824-1911)<\/span>\u00a0[public domain \/\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Hoffman-ChristAndTheRichYoungRuler.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: Substantive exchange with an anti-Catholic regarding whether meritorious works &amp; the gospel are closely related, &amp; about how Jesus Himself said we were saved.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jim Anderson appears to be a Presbyterian, and is an anti-Catholic. The following exchange occurred on a public Facebook page, below a shared meme that I had shared, regarding Catholic liturgy. Jim\u2019s words will be in blue. ***** How one holds one\u2019s hands during prayer is wholly irrelevant. It is what is in one\u2019s heart [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":74498,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[231,50],"tags":[1213,973,2352,1210,17837,2341],"class_list":["post-74489","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anti-catholicism","category-salvation-justification","tag-faith-works","tag-good-works","tag-gospel","tag-merit","tag-meritorious-works-the-gospel","tag-salvation"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Dialogue on Meritorious Works &amp; the Gospel Dialogue on Meritorious Works &amp; the Gospel<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Jim Anderson appears to be a Presbyterian, and is an anti-Catholic. 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Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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