{"id":74822,"date":"2023-07-14T09:11:48","date_gmt":"2023-07-14T13:11:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=74822"},"modified":"2026-06-06T00:49:03","modified_gmt":"2026-06-06T04:49:03","slug":"st-ignatius-bishops-the-rule-of-faith-vs-t-f-kauffman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2023\/07\/st-ignatius-bishops-the-rule-of-faith-vs-t-f-kauffman.html","title":{"rendered":"St. Ignatius, Bishops, &#038; the Rule of Faith (vs. T.F. Kauffman)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/07\/Cover-613-x-923-scaled.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-74825\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/07\/Cover-613-x-923-199x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"199\" height=\"300\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehorseblog.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Timothy F. Kauffman<\/a> was raised Catholic, converted to Protestantism in 1990, and is now a Presbyterian (PCA). He <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehorseblog.com\/2014\/02\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">has written<\/a>, <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI was saved\u00a0<em>out<\/em>\u00a0of Roman Catholicism, and\u00a0<em>into<\/em> Christianity, . . . Roman Catholicism was out of accord with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.\u201d<\/span> Timothy is author of the books, <em><a class=\"a-link-normal s-underline-text s-underline-link-text s-link-style a-text-normal decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Quite-Contrary-Biblical-Reconsiderations-Apparitions\/dp\/0963714139?tag=davearmstrongbooks-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"a-size-medium a-color-base a-text-normal\">Quite Contrary: Biblical Reconsiderations of the Apparitions of Mary<\/span><\/a><\/em><span class=\"a-size-medium a-color-base a-text-normal\"> (1994),\u00a0<\/span><em><a class=\"a-link-normal s-underline-text s-underline-link-text s-link-style a-text-normal decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Graven-Bread-Papacy-Apparitions-Worship\/dp\/0963714120?tag=davearmstrongbooks-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"a-size-medium a-color-base a-text-normal\">Graven Bread: The Papacy, the Apparitions of Mary, and the Worship of the Bread of the Altar<\/span><\/a><\/em><span class=\"a-size-medium a-color-base a-text-normal\"> (1995), and is co-author with Robert M. Zins, of\u00a0<\/span><a class=\"a-link-normal s-underline-text s-underline-link-text s-link-style a-text-normal decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/GOSPEL-CONTRARY-Catholic-Scripture-Propagate\/dp\/1961075237?tag=davearmstrongbooks-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"a-size-medium a-color-base a-text-normal\"><em>A Gospel Contrary!: A Study of Roman Catholic Abuse of History and Scripture to Propagate Error<\/em><\/span><\/a><span class=\"a-size-medium a-color-base a-text-normal\"> (April 24, 2023). He has been blogging about theology and Catholicism since 2014. His words will be in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>; those of St. Ignatius of Antioch in <span style=\"color: #008000;\">green<\/span>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p>I will be responding to an article of Timothy\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehorseblog.com\/2023\/06\/04\/tens-of-thousands-of-pages-part-3\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">about St. Ignatius of Antioch<\/a> (c. 50 \u2013 c. 110): specifically the portion regarding his view of bishops, and how this relates to his alleged acceptance of <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>. I\u2019ll be addressing the section of his article where he critiques the following Catholic opinion: <em><span class=\"css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Authority in the Church is exercised by bishops who are successors of the Apostles (apostolic succession)<\/span>.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>The issue of authority is directly related to the question of the rule of faith: what is the Christian\u2019s authority? What is infallible authority and what is not? What is the nature of this authority? <span class=\"a-size-medium a-color-base a-text-normal\"><em>Sola Scriptura<\/em>\u00a0(as\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/12\/sola-scriptura-as-defined-by-historic-protestantism.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">classically defined by Protestants<\/a>) means that Scripture is the\u00a0<em>only final infallible norm and source<\/em>\u00a0<em>and standard<\/em> (rule of faith) for Christian doctrine and faith. It follows from this, that neither the Church, nor ecumenical councils, nor popes, nor bishops, nor sacred, apostolic tradition, nor apostolic succession are infallible sources of authority.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Even if we find a quote where a Church father <i>seems<\/i>\u00a0(at first glance) to be stating something akin to\u00a0<em>sola Scriptura<\/em> (since he is writing about the Bible without immediate reference to Church or tradition), we must examine what he believes about the (binding?, infallible?) authority of tradition, the Church (including ecumenical councils and bishops), and apostolic succession, because the <em>rule of faith<\/em>\u00a0has to do with the\u00a0<em>relation<\/em>\u00a0of all those things (all but Scripture being non-infallible, according to\u00a0<em>sola Scriptura<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p>With this in mind, we proceed to determine what St. Ignatius of Antioch believed about bishops, and how it relates to <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>, and the opposing Catholic rule of faith (Bible-Tradition-Church all being infallible).<\/p>\n<p>Timothy sets the historical context of St. Ignatius\u2019 letters:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">At the time of Ignatius\u2019 letters, the Gnostic<\/span>\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/gnosis.org\/naghamm\/apopet.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Apocalypse of Peter<\/a> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">had been circulating in Asia Minor. In addition to its claim that Jesus did not have a physical body, it also claimed that \u201cbishops\u201d and \u201cdeacons\u201d had not really received their authority from God, . . .\u00a0Such teaching was not only dangerous. It was unbiblical. The bishops and deacons had indeed received their authority legitimately, as the Scriptures plainly attest (1 Timothy 3; Titus 1:5; 1 Peter 5:1-5). The sheep were not to heed such ungodly gnostic instruction, and were by no means to attempt to rebel against godly church officers.\u00a0To that end, Ignatius instructed the flocks of Asia Minor to submit to their elders who had indeed received their authority from God.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is how he interprets St. Ignatius\u2019 many statements about bishops. The high authority that Ignatius gives to bishops is directly caused by a polemical and apologetical intent against the Gnostics. Timothy cites Ignatius to bolster his hypothesis (all bolding and italics his own):<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Was the bishop too quiet? He ought to be revered for his silence, \u201cfor we ought to receive every one whom the Master of the house sends to be over His household\u201d<\/span> (<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0104.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">to the Ephesians<\/a><\/em>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">6). Was the bishop too young? The flock ought not \u201ctreat your bishop too familiarly on account of his youth\u201d yielding \u201call reverence, having respect to the power of God the Father\u201d (<\/span><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0105.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">to the Magnesians<\/a><\/em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">, 3). In fact, this theme emerges constantly in his letters, as he attempts to correct the gnostic teaching that \u201cbishops\u201d and \u201cdeacons\u201d\u00a0<em>were not appointed by God<\/em>. How should Ignatius respond to such a threat? Simple: remind the sheep that \u201cbishops\u201d and \u201cdeacons\u201d\u00a0<em>were appointed by God<\/em>. The following quotes are only a sample of this:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cIt is therefore befitting that you should in every way glorify Jesus Christ, who has glorified you, that \u2026 and that, being subject to the\u00a0<strong>bishop<\/strong>\u00a0and the\u00a0<strong>presbytery<\/strong>, you may in all respects be sanctified.\u201d<\/span> (<\/span><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0104.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">to the Ephesians<\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">2<\/span><\/em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201c\u2026 with your most admirable\u00a0<strong>bishop<\/strong>, and the well-compacted spiritual crown of your\u00a0<strong>presbytery<\/strong>, and the\u00a0<strong>deacons<\/strong>\u00a0<em>who are according to God<\/em>.\u201d<\/span> (<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0105.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\"><em>to the Magnesians<\/em><\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">13)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201c\u2026 reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the\u00a0<strong>bishop<\/strong>\u00a0as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the\u00a0<strong>presbyters<\/strong>\u00a0as the sanhedrim of God, and assembly of the apostles.\u201d<\/span> (<\/span><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0106.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">to the Trallians<\/a>\u00a0<\/em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">3)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cI salute in the blood of Jesus Christ, who is our eternal and enduring joy, especially if [men] are in unity with the\u00a0<strong>bishop<\/strong>, the\u00a0<strong>presbyters<\/strong>, and the\u00a0<strong>deacons<\/strong>,\u00a0<em>who have been appointed according to the mind of Jesus Christ.<\/em>\u201d<\/span> (<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0108.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\"><em>to the Philadelphians<\/em><\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">greeting)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201c\u2026 follow the\u00a0<strong>bishop<\/strong>, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the\u00a0<strong>presbytery<\/strong>\u00a0as you would the apostles; and reverence the\u00a0<strong>deacons<\/strong>,\u00a0<em>as being the institution of God<\/em>\u201d<\/span> (<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0109.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\"><em>to the Smyrn\u00e6ans<\/em><\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">8)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cGive heed to the\u00a0<strong>bishop<\/strong>, that God also may give heed to you. My soul be for theirs that are submissive to the bishop, to the\u00a0<strong>presbyters<\/strong>, and to the\u00a0<strong>deacons<\/strong>, and may my portion be along with them in God!\u201d<\/span> (<\/span><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0110.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">to Polycarp<\/a><\/em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">, 6)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is all fine and dandy. Catholics don\u2019t have the slightest beef with this line of argument or the fact that St. Ignatius thought in such a way. It\u2019s perfectly harmonious with our outlook and our ecclesiology.<\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s all beside the point of the Catholic-Protestant discussion of authority. The question at hand, between us, is not whether bishops had authority and should be obeyed (<em>of course<\/em> they did and should have been). Rather, the question is whether Ignatius attributes <em>infallibility<\/em> to bishops. If he does so, he can\u2019t possibly believe in <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>, by definition. And if he denies that, then he thinks like a Catholic regarding authority, not like a Protestant.<\/p>\n<p>Timothy proved his case well with citations. Now I shall attempt to demonstrate that St. Ignatius attributed an authority \u2014 ostensibly infallible \u2014 to bishops that is anathema to Protestantism and<em> sola Scriptura<\/em>. Luther rebelled against the Church in part to get away from such compulsory authority. St. Ignatius wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Let us be careful, then, not to set ourselves in opposition to the\u00a0bishop, in order that we may be subject to\u00a0God.\u00a0<\/span>(<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0104.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Ephesians<\/a>, ch. 5)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[W]e should look upon\u00a0the bishop\u00a0even as we would upon the\u00a0Lord\u00a0Himself.\u00a0<\/span>(<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0104.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Ephesians<\/a>, ch. 6)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[O]bey\u00a0the\u00a0bishop\u00a0and the\u00a0presbytery\u00a0with an undivided\u00a0mind\u00a0. . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0104.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Ephesians<\/a>, ch. 20)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">I exhort you to study to do all things with a divine harmony, while\u00a0your\u00a0bishop\u00a0presides in the place of\u00a0God, . . .\u00a0be\u00a0united\u00a0with your\u00a0bishop, and\u00a0those that preside over you, . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0105.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Magnesians<\/a>, ch. 6)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Be subject to the\u00a0bishop, and to one another,\u00a0as\u00a0Jesus Christ to the Father, . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0105.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Magnesians<\/a>, ch. 13)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[Y]ou are subject to the bishop as to Jesus Christ, . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0106.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Trallians<\/a>, ch. 2)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[L]et all reverence . . . the bishop as Jesus Christ, . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0106.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Trallians<\/a>, ch. 3)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[T]his will be the case with you if you are not puffed up, and continue in intimate union with Jesus Christ our God, and the bishop, . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0106.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Trallians<\/a>, ch. 7)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[C]ontinue subject to the bishop, as to the command [of God] . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0106.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Trallians<\/a>, ch. 13)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">For as many as are\u00a0of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the bishop. . . . If any man follows\u00a0him that makes a\u00a0schism\u00a0in the\u00a0Church, he shall not inherit the\u00a0kingdom of God.<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0108.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Philadelphians<\/a>, ch. 3)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0109.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Smyrnaeans<\/a>, ch. 8)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That sounds profoundly authoritative to me! It sounds like it very well could have been intended as teaching episcopal infallibility. Ignatius clearly didn\u2019t think a Christian was allowed to disagree with his or her bishop. Submitting to them was the equivalent of being subject to <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cGod\u201d<\/span> or <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cthe Lord\u201d<\/span> Himself. It had to be a pure, <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cundivided\u201d<\/span> submission, indeed like that of Jesus <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cto the Father\u201d<\/span> (absolute 100% agreement and complete oneness).<\/p>\n<p>That in no way is consistent with <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>, which holds that only the Bible is infallible, and therefore, that the Christian individual, Bible in hand, can correct bishops and dissent from them as necessary, according to their private judgment and consciences. Ignatius (like Jesus and Paul) would have been given a dunce cap to wear at a Protestant seminary, before he flunked out altogether, as a biblically ignorant troublemaker.<\/p>\n<p>Ignatius\u2019 conception of the authority of bishops was <em>not<\/em> John Calvin\u2019s. A brief examination and critique of Calvin\u2019s views might be helpful at this juncture. Calvin wanted to emphasize God\u2019s sovereignty, which is good, but seems to repeatedly deny it when it comes to examining how God leads men for His sovereign purposes.<\/p>\n<p>This approach even defeats the purpose and utility of Calvin\u2019s own book, <em>Institutes of the Christian Religion<\/em>, if the next Christian can simply say, \u201cthat\u2019s just Calvin\u2019s opinion. What does it have to do with <em>me<\/em>? It undermines my confidence in Christ to determine my own doctrines; therefore, I reject it as irrelevant. I have the Holy Spirit, and my Bible. Who needs Calvin?\u201d\u00a0If a person\u2019s \u201cargument\u201d undermines the very words he is writing, then we must step back and examine the faulty premises.<\/p>\n<p>Folks who are equally led by the Spirit do in fact arrive at different interpretations of Scripture. Authoritative dogma and boundaries are always required, for that reason. God knew this, which is why He set up an authoritative teaching Church, not a system of individualistic subjectivism: itself far more a secular Enlightenment or Romantic or eastern religious concept than a biblical one. Calvin stated:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Men of sense see how great the danger is if so much authority is once conceded to men. They see also how wide a door is opened for the jeers and cavils of the ungodly, if we admit that Christians are to receive the opinions of men as if they were oracles. (<em>Institutes<\/em>, IV, 8:15)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here again is the hostility to the idea of God using sinners as His instruments, for His purposes. Calvin doesn\u2019t have faith enough to believe that God could do that. Every writer of Scripture was an oracle because he wrote inspired words. If one can believe in <em>that<\/em> miracle, as Calvin does, the gift of infallibility requires less faith. Yet he rejects the latter, as it it were at all impossible for God to accomplish, or something He likely<br>\nwouldn\u2019t do. Apostles already spoke with extraordinary authority. Why not the Church?<\/p>\n<p>Why should we take the opinion of the individual layperson over the opinion of the bishop? Why should we, moreover, assume that a lone individual has a superior interpretation of Scripture and theological tradition, over against an <em>assembly<\/em> of <em>many<\/em> learned bishops (that is, an ecumenical council)?\u00a0 Or if a group today (some dreaded committee of some denomination) decides to overrule Nicaea or Chalcedon, etc., why should we accept their corporate dogmatic authority more than Nicaea\u2019s or Chalcedon\u2019s (or Pope Leo the Great\u2019s)?<\/p>\n<p>We see, then, that this thinking is arbitrary at every turn, and it always, inevitably logically reduces to radical individualism and doctrinal relativism, when one rejects the traditional understanding of Christian authority. It breaks down as soon as a few penetrating questions are asked. Calvin stands as a judge over bishops and councils, which declare that such-and-such a doctrine is biblical and true; Calvin says otherwise. So now we are supposed to bow and accept <em>his<\/em> authority as God\u2019s Oracle? He can\u2019t be infallible because it contradicts <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>. Therefore, <em>he<\/em> can be dissented against. Yet he complains about the <em>popes<\/em> having too much theological pull and power and say?<\/p>\n<p>I have long argued that a guy like John Calvin, or even one\u2019s local pastor, has <em>far<\/em> more <em>direct influence<\/em> over the Protestant individual\u2019s day-to-day Christian life than popes have over Catholics\u2019 lives.<\/p>\n<p>But Timothy continues:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">[W]e can say plainly that Ignatius did not believe that lay Christians must be under the authority of a successor to the Apostles. . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">And Ignatius . . . was very much aware of that problem: <em>Apostolic succession was not a reliable metric of truth.\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>To the contrary, Ignatius placed even the <em>presbyters<\/em> on the level of the apostles and their authority:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[Y]our presbyters [preside] in the place of the assembly of the apostles . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0105.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Magnesians<\/a>, ch. 6)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[Y]ou . . . should also be subject to the presbytery,\u00a0as to the apostle of\u00a0Jesus Christ, . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0106.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Trallians<\/a>, ch. 2)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">[L]et all reverence . . .\u00a0the presbyters as the . . .\u00a0assembly of the\u00a0apostles.<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0106.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Trallians<\/a>, ch. 3)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">See that you all\u00a0follow . . . the presbytery as you would the apostles; . . .<\/span> (<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/0109.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epistle to the Smyrnaeans<\/a>, ch. 8)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">They were to submit to the officers of the church if the bishops and deacons were faithful to the Scriptures, and if they were not faithful to the Scriptures, the Ephesians were not obligated to submit to them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Timothy doesn\u2019t adequately document where Ignatius supposedly<em> taught<\/em> this. He seems not to have addressed or considered a conundrum or scenario where a bishop teaches something clearly false (thus, he may possibly have thought that they were indefectible in doctrine, like Catholics believe is the case with popes). This goes <em>beyond<\/em>, by the way, the Catholic view of bishops, whereby they are only corporately infallible under certain specified circumstances in <em>ecumenical councils<\/em>, and only when the <em>pope<\/em> is in agreement. Likewise, Paul doesn\u2019t qualify his teaching in Romans 13 about the <em>secular<\/em> authorities:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Romans 13:1-7<\/strong>\u00a0Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.\u00a0[2] Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, [4] for he is God\u2019s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. [5] Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God\u2019s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. [6] For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. [7] Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Peter writes similarly:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>1 Peter 2:17-18<\/strong> Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. [18] Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Bishops are certainly the \u201cmasters\u201d of Christians. Elsewhere, however, Peter recognized the necessity of dissent in some situations:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Acts 5:27-29<\/strong> . . . And the high priest questioned them, [28] saying, \u201cWe strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and you intend to bring this man\u2019s blood upon us.\u201d [29] But Peter and the apostles answered, \u201cWe must obey God rather than men.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Perhaps it could be argued that that was the Jewish high priest, and he was telling them not to preach the gospel, which was unacceptable, and that the high priest was no longer the \u201cmaster\u201d of Christians, as the bishop would be, or even a secular emperor.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t recall seeing in Scripture (I could be wrong), an admonition to dissent from a bishop who was teaching false doctrine. 1 Peter 2:18 (above) seems to suggest the contrary. And when St. Paul refers to \u201cfierce wolves\u201d who \u201cwill come in among you, not sparing the flock; . . . speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them\u201d (Acts 20:29-30), the implication is that they <em>never had legitimate authority in the first place<\/em>, and are <em>counterfeit<\/em> authorities, in line with what he writes elsewhere: \u201cpeople will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths\u201d (2 Tim 4:3-4), and in a way similar to what St. John expresses: \u201cmany antichrists have come; . . . \u00a0They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us \u201d (1 Jn 2:18-19).<\/p>\n<p>As far as I can tell, St. Ignatius thought very much like a Catholic does about ecclesiastical authority, and not at all like a Protestant: based on my argumentation above and also because it\u2019s vastly different to adhere to the Catholic and biblical idea that infallibility is generally or potentially present in the Church (1 Tim 3:15) or bishops (Acts 15:28-29 and 16:4) or tradition (1 Cor 11:2; 2 Thess 2:15; 3:6) or apostolic succession, even if it is understood (and Catholics agree) that there are extraordinary times \u2014 rare exceptions to the rule \u2014 of <em>permissible dissent<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>The above is antithetical to the unbiblical notion and false tradition of <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>, where none of those authorities can <em>ever<\/em> be infallible and that only Scripture is infallible; therefore dissent would be a much more routine event, seeing that what is dissented against has no inherent infallibility or potential infallibility in the first place, and in the <em>final analysis<\/em> is reduced to merely <em>optional<\/em>, or \u201cnon-binding advisory\u201d: subject to any individual believer\u2019s <em>de facto<\/em> self-proclaimed infallibility in interpreting Scripture (in order to judge and reject ecclesiastical authority). 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Aug. 2013,); follow the link for much more information and samples.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: Reply to Presbyterian apologist Timothy Kauffman on St. Ignatius of Antioch\u2019s views of bishops, and whether he agrees with the Protestant \u201cpillar,\u201d<em> sola Scriptura<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Timothy F. Kauffman was raised Catholic, converted to Protestantism in 1990, and is now a Presbyterian (PCA). He has written, \u201cI was saved\u00a0out\u00a0of Roman Catholicism, and\u00a0into Christianity, . . . Roman Catholicism was out of accord with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.\u201d Timothy is author of the books, Quite Contrary: Biblical Reconsiderations of the Apparitions [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":74825,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[231,239],"tags":[240,1266,32,47,17882,15542],"class_list":["post-74822","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anti-catholicism","category-fathers-of-the-church","tag-church-fathers","tag-patristics","tag-rule-of-faith","tag-sola-scriptura","tag-st-ignatius-bishops","tag-st-ignatius-of-antioch"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>St. Ignatius, Bishops, &amp; the Rule of Faith (vs. T.F. Kauffman) St. Ignatius, Bishops, &amp; the Rule of Faith (vs. T.F. 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