{"id":76496,"date":"2023-10-05T17:51:30","date_gmt":"2023-10-05T21:51:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=76496"},"modified":"2023-10-06T00:59:50","modified_gmt":"2023-10-06T04:59:50","slug":"vs-j-oliveira-9-salvation-the-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2023\/10\/vs-j-oliveira-9-salvation-the-church.html","title":{"rendered":"Vs. J. Oliveira #9: Salvation &#038; the Church"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a\">\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/09\/OliveiraJuan.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-76241\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/09\/OliveiraJuan-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">[<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BrJuanoliveira\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">photo from Twitter<\/a>]<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">***<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Brazilian Protestant\u00a0<strong>Juan Roberto de Oliveira<\/strong>\u00a0is the author of the book,\u00a0<em>Nenhum Caminho Leva a Roma: O pecurso at\u00e9 o protestantismo<\/em>\u00a0[<em>No Road Leads to Rome: The Path to Protestantism<\/em>]. It has no date or publisher listed. But it was \u201crecently released.\u201d He\u2019s a <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201claw graduate\u201d<\/span> and\u00a0is\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BrJuanoliveira\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">active on Twitter<\/a>\u00a0(now \u201cX\u201d) and, especially,\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/juanoliveira.br\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Instagram<\/a>. When I informed Juan of my replies, he quickly wrote on Twitter:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cI\u2019ll be rebutting your rebuttals.\u201d\u00a0<\/span>I wish him all the best in that endeavor. If anyone discovers that he has ever answered any of my critiques, please let me know.<br>\n*<br>\nHis words will be in\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>.\u00a0Translations from the Portugese of his book will be made with Google Translate (with an occasional additional modification). I will use RSV for Bible translations.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Just as I finished my tenth installment (10-5-23), <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@fraternidadenewman25\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Fraternidade Newman Brasil<\/a> [<em>Newman Brazil Fraternity<\/em>] published a devastatingly comprehensive (and shocking) expose entitled<a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@fraternidadenewman25\/apolog%C3%A9tica-da-desonestidade-evid%C3%AAncias-de-pl%C3%A1gio-e-outras-trapa%C3%A7as-no-livro-do-protestante-juan-6601c903caa9\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> \u201cApolog\u00e9tica da Desonestidade: Evid\u00eancias de Pl\u00e1gio e outras Trapa\u00e7as no Livro do Protestante Juan Roberto Oliveira\u201d<\/a> [<em>Apologetics of Dishonesty: Evidence of Plagiarism and other Cheating in the Book of Protestant Juan Roberto Oliveira<\/em>].<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">In light of this new information, this will be my last critique. It\u2019s a shame, because I was enjoying myself so much, and I felt that I came up with some fresh arguments, but this book deserves no further response. It was already a very weak, poor volume (desperately in need of an editor), even if these factors weren\u2019t in play. What I have written thus far has, in my opinion, value in and of itself, as a ten-part Catholic apologetics \u201ccourse.\u201d So it wasn\u2019t a waste of time at all. But no more. I\u2019m only interested in responding to serious, adequately researched, honest apologetics.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">The expression \u201cExtra Ecclesiam nulla salus\u201d is a Latin phrase that can be<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">translated as \u201cOutside the Church there is no salvation\u201d.<\/span><\/span> . . . <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">The idea behind this phrase is that the Catholic Church is seen as the only<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">path to eternal salvation and therefore anyone who desires<\/span><\/span> t<span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">o achieve salvation must be a member of the Catholic Church.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">Historically, this<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">belief was associated with the concept of religious exclusivism, which maintains that<\/span><\/span> <\/span><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">only those who follow the Catholic faith can be saved.<\/span> (p. 67)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>The issue is far more complex than Juan (as usual) makes it out to be. First of all, it isn\u2019t just the Catholic Church that makes this claim (i.e., rightly understood, as opposed to the widespread caricatures of it). Prominent early Protestant leader John Calvin did, too:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[B]eyond the pale of the Church no forgiveness of sins, no salvation, can be hoped for . . . the abandonment of the Church is always fatal. (<em>Institutes of the Christian Religion<\/em>, IV, 1:4)<\/p>\n<p>[N]one obtain forgiveness but those who are citizens, and of the household of the Church . . . (Is. 33:24). (<em>Inst<\/em>., IV, 1:20)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Both Martin Luther and John Calvin never got \u201crebaptized\u201d when they left the Catholic Church, because they both recognized Catholic baptism as a valid sacrament, and that Catholicism (headed by the pope in Rome) remained fundamentally, essentially Christian, no matter how much corruption had crept into it, according to them. Luther, writing in 1528, was quite remarkably explicit about this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Christendom that now is under the papacy is truly the body of Christ and a member of it. If it is his body, then it has the true spirit, gospel, faith, baptism, sacrament, keys, the office of the ministry, prayer, holy Scripture, and everything that pertains to Christendom. So we are all still under the papacy and therefrom have received our Christian treasures. . . .<\/p>\n<p>We do not rave as do the rebellious spirits, so as to reject everything that is found in the papal church. For then we would cast out even Christendom from the temple of God, and all that it contained of Christ. (<em>Concerning Rebaptism: A Letter to Two Pastors<\/em>, 1528, from <em>Luther\u2019s Works<\/em>, Vol. 40, 225-262; translated by Conrad Bergendoff)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Juan would probably respond at this point, \u201cbut the Catholic Church is not nearly so gracious and ecumenical as <em>that<\/em>!\u201d And if he did he would be wrong. Our ecumenical views and official position that Protestants are part of the Body of Christ and our \u201cseparated\u201d brothers and sisters in Christ didn\u2019t start with Vatican II in the 1960s (as many \u2014 including many inadequately catechized Catholics \u2014 wrongly think). The Council of Trent, in its <a href=\"https:\/\/www.papalencyclicals.net\/councils\/trent\/seventh-session.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">seventh session in 1547 (\u201cOn Baptism\u201d)<\/a> stated:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the baptism which is even given by heretics in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, with the intention of doing what the Church doth, <em>is not true baptism<\/em>; let him be anathema.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>See also the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ewtn.com\/catholicism\/library\/ecumenical-council-of-florence-1438-1445-1461\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Council of Florence, Session 8<\/a>, from the year 1439, over a hundred years earlier. It stated:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[I]n case of necessity not only a priest or a deacon, but even a lay man or a woman, even a pagan and a heretic, can baptize provided he or she uses the form of the church and intends to do what the church does.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The Catholic Church regards trinitarian Protestant baptism (whether sprinkling babies or adult immersion) as sacramentally valid, which means that anyone who receives it (virtually all Protestants) are regenerated, part of the Body of Christ, and are recipients of all of the many supernatural blessings that derive from it. <a href=\"https:\/\/stpetersrcchurchedinburgh.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Baptism-texts-from-the-Catechism-of-the-Catholic-Church.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">One Catholic site<\/a> compiled passages form the <em>Catechism of the Catholic Church<\/em>, regarding the graces received at baptism (which Protestants also receive):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>For the forgiveness of sins \u2013 \u2018A new creature\u2019 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Immersion in water symbolises not only death and purification, but also regeneration and renewal. Thus the two principal effects are <em>purification from sin<\/em> and <em>new birth in the Holy Spirit<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>By Baptism <em>all sins are forgiven<\/em>, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. Yet, temporal consequences of sin remain such as <em>concupiscence<\/em> or inclination to sin. Baptism makes the neophyte a \u2018new creature\u2019, \u2018an adopted Son of God\u2019, \u2018a partaker of the divine nature\u2019, member of Christ and co-heir with him, and a temple of the Holy Spirit.<\/p>\n<p>The Most Holy Trinity gives the baptised sanctifying grace, the grace of justification. The whole organism of the Christian\u2019s supernatural life has its roots in Baptism \u2013 the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and the moral virtues.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Incorporated into the Church, the Body of Christ <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ and incorporates us <em>into the Church<\/em>. The Baptised are \u2018built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood\u2019. By Baptism they share in the priesthood of Christ, in his prophetic and holy mission. <em>Baptism gives a share in the common priesthood of all believers<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>The baptised belongs not to himself but to Him who died and rose for us. There is a duty to obey the Church\u2019s leaders. The baptised also enjoys rights within the Church \u2013 to receive the remaining six Sacraments, the Word of God and to be nourished by other spiritual helps. Baptism constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who are reborn.<\/p>\n<p><strong>An Indelible Spiritual Mark <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The person baptised is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible mark (<em>character<\/em>) of his belonging to Christ. Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.<\/p>\n<p>This sacramental character consecrates them for Christian religious worship and sharing in the holy liturgy.<\/p>\n<p>The Holy Spirit has marked us with the \u2018seal of the Lord\u2019 for the day of redemption. Baptism is indeed the seal of eternal life.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Catholics also hold that marriage between two lifelong non-divorced Protestants is a sacrament and therefore gives grace.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, it is neither <em>strictly required<\/em> that one be a member of the Catholic Church in order to be saved, nor that they adhere to all Catholic teachings. If Juan had done proper research into this issue he wouldn\u2019t have been so inexcusably \u2014 and embarrassingly \u2014 wrong. But the incipient prejudice and bias of anti-Catholics usually precludes such necessary and honest work.<\/p>\n<p>It <em>is<\/em> true, I hasten to add, as a Catholic apologist and educator, that if a person becomes convinced in their conscience that the Catholic Church teaches the fullness of Christian truth, and is the one true Church of Christ, that they are <em>then required to join it<\/em>, on pain of possible loss of salvation if they do not. But millions of non-Catholics truly have not come to that point, for a variety of reasons, and are therefore less culpable in God\u2019s \u2014 and the Church\u2019s \u2014 eyes.<\/p>\n<p>For many more explanations of this issue, see the section on my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/ecumenism-christian-unity-index-page.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Ecumenism and Christian Unity web page<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">An exclusivist church is one that believes it is the only holder of<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">religious or spiritual truth, claiming that only its members are<\/span><\/span> <\/span><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">on the right path to salvation or a genuine connection with the divine.<\/span> (p. 67)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Many sects fit into this description. The Catholic Church does not. Vatican II\u2019s <i>Decree on Ecumenism<\/i>\u00a0(<i>Unitatis Redintegratio<\/i>, 21 November 1964) offers a magnificently ecumenical statement concerning the Christian endowments of Protestants (my caps):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Moreover, some, even very many, of the most significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist OUTSIDE the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements. ALL of these . . . COME FROM CHRIST and lead back to him . . . (3)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>The brethren divided from us also carry out many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. In ways that vary according to the conditions of each Church or community, these liturgical actions most certainly can truly engender a LIFE OF GRACE, and, one must say, can aptly GIVE ACCESS TO THE COMMUNION OF SALVATION. (3)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>the separated Churches and communions as such . . . have been by no means deprived of significance and IMPORTANCE IN THE MYSTERY OF SALVATION. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as a MEANS OF SALVATION which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church. (3)<\/p>\n<p>Catholics must gladly acknowledge and esteem the TRULY CHRISTIAN ENDOWMENTS for our common heritage which are to be found among our separated brethren. It is right and salutary to recognize the RICHES OF CHRIST and virtuous works in the lives of others who are BEARING WITNESS TO CHRIST, sometimes even to the shedding of their blood. (4)<\/p>\n<p>Nor should we forget that anything WROUGHT BY THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT in the hearts of our separated brethren can CONTRIBUTE TO OUR OWN EDIFICATION. Whatever is TRULY CHRISTIAN is never contrary to what GENUINELY BELONGS TO THE FAITH; indeed, it can always bring a more perfect realization of the very mystery of Christ and the Church. (4)<\/p>\n<p>we rejoice that our separated brethren look to Christ as the source and center of ecclesiastical communion. Their longing for union with Christ impels them ever more to seek unity, and also to bear witness to their faith among the peoples of the earth. (20)<\/p>\n<p>A love and reverence . . . of Holy Scripture leads our brethren to a constant and diligent study of the sacred text . . . in the dialogue itself, the sacred word is a precious instrument in the mighty hand of God for attaining to that unity which the Saviour holds out to all men. (21)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For more along these lines, see my article, <a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/11\/how-catholics-view-protestants.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">How Catholics View Protestants.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">However, it is important to note that not all churches or religions that<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">consider themselves exclusivists, are necessarily harmful or intolerant.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">Some may take a more inclusive approach to others\u2019<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">beliefs, promoting peaceful coexistence and mutual respect:<\/span><\/span> w<span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">hich is not the<\/span><\/span> <\/span><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">case with the Roman Catholic church.<\/span> (p. 68)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is a falsehood, as unanswerably proven above. The Catholic Church is more respectful towards Protestants than many Protestant bodies are towards us (or <em>each other<\/em>, for that matter). For example, the Lutheran <em>Book of Concord<\/em><i>, <\/i>which is that denomination\u2019s continuing creedal and authoritative standard for doctrine, makes the following outrageous statement, comparing the Catholic Mass to ancient Baal-worship in Israel:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[J]ust as in Israel, Baalitic services continued, and, nevertheless, a Church of God was there which disapproved of godless services, so Baalitic worship inheres in the domain of the Pope, namely, the abuse of the Mass, . . . And it seems that this Baalitic worship will endure as long as the reign of the Pope, until Christ will come to judge, and by the glory of His advent destroy the reign of Antichrist. Meanwhile all who truly believe the Gospel [that they may truly honor God and have a constant comfort against sins; for God has graciously caused His Gospel to shine, that we might be warned and saved] ought to condemn these wicked services, devised, contrary to God\u2019s command, in order to obscure the glory of Christ and the righteousness of faith. (<em>Defense of the Augsburg Confession<\/em>, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookofconcord.org\/defense\/of-the-mass\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Article XXIV: <em>Of the Mass<\/em>, sec. 98<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I ask Juan: is <em>that<\/em> more <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cexclusivistic\u201d<\/span> than Catholic teachings on other Christians, outlined above? Is it \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">harmful or intolerant\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">or does it foster<\/span> \u201c<\/span><\/span><span class=\"jCAhz ChMk0b\"><span class=\"ryNqvb\">peaceful coexistence and mutual respect\u201d<span style=\"color: #000000;\">?<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">***<br>\n*\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><strong><em>Practical Matters<\/em><\/strong>: Perhaps some of my 4,500+ free online articles (the most comprehensive \u201cone-stop\u201d Catholic apologetics site) or\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2009\/06\/dave-armstrongs-catholic-apologetics-bookstore-49-books-paperback-e-pub-mobi-nook-book-amazon-kindle-itunes-pdf-rock-bottom-regular-prices-67-savings-for-e-books-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">fifty-three books<\/a>\u00a0have helped you (by God\u2019s grace) to decide to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">become Catholic<\/a>\u00a0or to\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2014\/01\/feedback-comments-on-my-writing-from-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">return to the Church<\/a>,\u00a0or better understand some doctrines and\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/02\/the-biblical-basis-of-apologetics-defense-of-christianity.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>why<\/em>\u00a0we believe them<\/a>.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">Or you may believe my work is worthy to support for the purpose of apologetics and evangelism in general. 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You\u2019ll see the term \u201cCatholic Used Book Service\u201d, which is my old side-business. To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0from the bottom of my heart!<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">***<br>\n*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: Juan Oliveira misrepresents the Catholic Church\u2019s view of non-Catholics and salvation. I present the actual facts, stressing our view regarding valid Protestant baptism.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[photo from Twitter] *** Brazilian Protestant\u00a0Juan Roberto de Oliveira\u00a0is the author of the book,\u00a0Nenhum Caminho Leva a Roma: O pecurso at\u00e9 o protestantismo\u00a0[No Road Leads to Rome: The Path to Protestantism]. It has no date or publisher listed. But it was \u201crecently released.\u201d He\u2019s a \u201claw graduate\u201d and\u00a0is\u00a0active on Twitter\u00a0(now \u201cX\u201d) and, especially,\u00a0Instagram. When I [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":76241,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[231,51],"tags":[2718,308,18128,2341,2716,4525],"class_list":["post-76496","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anti-catholicism","category-ecumenism-christian-unity","tag-catholic-church-salvation","tag-ecumenism","tag-no-salvation-outside-of-the-church","tag-salvation","tag-salvation-outside-the-church","tag-valid-baptism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Vs. J. Oliveira #9: Salvation &amp; the Church Vs. J. 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