{"id":77411,"date":"2023-11-16T11:46:46","date_gmt":"2023-11-16T15:46:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=77411"},"modified":"2026-06-06T00:49:59","modified_gmt":"2026-06-06T04:49:59","slug":"the-indefectibility-of-the-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2023\/11\/the-indefectibility-of-the-church.html","title":{"rendered":"The Indefectibility of the Church"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/11\/ChurchRock.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-77777\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2023\/11\/ChurchRock-300x185.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"185\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Chapter 3 (pp. 31-35) of my book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/books-by-dave-armstrong\/reflections-on-radical-catholic-reactionaries\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries<\/em><\/a> (December 2002; revised second edition: 17 August 2013; slightly revised again in December 2023 for the purpose of the free online version). Anyone who reads this book should first read the following three introductory articles, in order to fully understand the definitions and sociological categories I am employing:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Introduction (on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/books-by-dave-armstrong\/reflections-on-radical-catholic-reactionaries\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">book page<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2012\/12\/definitions-radical-catholic.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Definitions: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, Mainstream \u201cTraditionalists,\u201d and Supposed \u201cNeo-Catholics\u201d\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[revised 8-6-13]<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/09\/radical-catholic-reactionaries-what-they-are-not.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Radical Catholic Reactionaries: What They Are\u00a0<em>Not<\/em><\/a>\u00a0[9-28-21]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">If you\u2019re still confused and unclear as to my meanings and intent after that, read one or more of these articles:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/rationales-for-my-self-coined-term-radical-catholic-reactionaries.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rationales for My Self-Coined Term, \u201cRadical Catholic Reactionaries\u201d<\/a>\u00a0[8-6-13]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/04\/my-coined-term-radical-catholic-reactionary-clarifications.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">My Coined Term, \u201cRadical Catholic Reactionary\u201d: Clarifications<\/a>\u00a0[10-5-17]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/04\/clarifying-my-coined-term-radical-catholic-reactionary.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Clarifying My Coined Term, \u201cRadical Catholic Reactionary\u201d<\/a>\u00a0[4-3-20]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">This book is modeled after the method and structure of the French mathematician and Catholic apologist Blaise Pascal\u2019s classic,<em>\u00a0Pens\u00e9es<\/em> (\u201cthoughts\u201d). Catholic apologist and philosopher Peter Kreeft described this masterpiece<i>\u00a0<\/i>as \u201craw pearls\u201d and \u201cmore like \u2018sayings\u2019 than a book . . . \u2018Sayings\u2019 reflect and approximate the higher, the mode of Christ and Socrates and Buddha. That\u2019s why Socrates is the greatest philosopher, according to St. Thomas (<i>S.T.<\/i> III, 42, 4).\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-align: center;\">I am not intending to compare myself or my own \u201cthoughts\u201d or their cogency or import in\u00a0<i>any<\/i> way, shape, or form, to those of Pascal, let alone to Socrates or our Lord Jesus! I am merely utilizing the unconventional structure of the <i>Pens\u00e9es<\/i>, which\u00a0 harmonizes well, I believe, with the approach that I have taken with regard to the present subject. I have sought to analyze (<i>minus\u00a0<\/i>proper names, a la Trent) the premises, presuppositions, logical and ecclesiological \u201cbottom lines\u201d and (in a word), the\u00a0<i>spirit\u00a0<\/i>of a false and divisive radical Catholic reactionary strain of thought held by a distinctive sociological sub-group of Catholics.<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<ol start=\"68\">\n<li>Many radical Catholic reactionaries believe that the \u201cbitter fruits\u201d of Vatican II have all but \u201cdestroyed\u201d the Church. This is \u201cquasi-defectibility.\u201d The reactionary rarely \u2013 in mixed company \u2014 wants to assert this outright (according to their incessant doublethink), but how close they habitually come! It becomes an Orwellian situation wherein the Church can\u2019t defect, yet it can come so close that the observer is tempted to opine that it is a distinction without a difference. Meanwhile, \u201ctraditionalist\u201d some reactionary pessimists continue their exodus from the \u201cmiddle position\u201d (relatively speaking) to the more logically consistent but less orthodox formally schismatic positions of sedevacantism and other similar groups. Faithful Catholics believe that God will not let the Church in any way, shape, or form be \u201cdestroyed.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"69\">\n<li>G. K. Chesterton observed: \u201cAt least five times, . . . with the Arian and the Albigensian, with the Humanist sceptic, after Voltaire and after Darwin, the Faith has to all appearance gone to the dogs. In each of these five cases it was the dog that died.\u201d(<em>The Everlasting Man<\/em>, Garden City, New York: Doubleday Image, 1925, 254)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"70\">\n<li>History offers ample illustration that the heretics always eventually disappear, or at least greatly diminish in influence. The Church will survive. In fact, the beginning signs of coming revival are plain already, if one would simply maintain a little hope and optimistic faith that God is in control.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"71\">\n<li>The present crisis is the most serious the Church has ever faced, per Pope St. Pius X\u2019s summation of the evils of modernism. At the same time (in contrast to reactionaries), orthodox Catholics remain total optimists as to eventual outcome \u2014 through faith, reading the signs of the times and of positive developments, and the knowledge of previous crises in Church history. We vehemently deny that the Church has defected or has been taken over by the forces of evil, and all the other pessimistic, scandalous, and pathetic scenarios that reactionaries suggest concerning causes of the crisis and institutional demise, \u201cauto-demolition,\u201d etc.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"72\">\n<li>Reactionaries think that the Church will eventually wake up and abandon the great \u201cliberal experiment\u201d of Vatican II. But this is the atrocious and exceedingly un-Catholic belief that a validly convoked ecumenical council, ratified by a pope, could be so heretical as to necessitate \u201cabandonment,\u201d as if we were talking about the Robber Council of 449. This is defectibility and nonsense \u2014 a pure hybrid of a certain strain of a-historical Protestantism and \u201cCatholic\u201d liberalism.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"73\">\n<li>The Church, we are told, has institutionally defected (or almost so). Never before (so reactionaries claim) has rampant (institutionalized, proclaimed) error run roughshod over orthodoxy for so many years after a council. Obviously, then, according to reactionaries, the Church is in dire straits. As in the view of Martin Luther, the Church has descended into darkness, and brave prophets have now been raised to bring it back to life. Luther seemed to think of himself as some sort of prophet-figure, too. As reactionaries seem to follow his example in many other ways, why not this one, also?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"74\">\n<li>Reactionaries contend with a straight face that the Church has collapsed, apparently mainly because of the New Mass, ecumenism, and religious liberty. If they want to see a real collapse, they should go look at the various liberalized Protestant denominations, such as the Episcopalians or the United Church of Christ. Even the Orthodox (who pride themselves on their strict traditionalism and immunity from modernism) accept contraception and divorce. One can\u2019t fail to note the striking contrast. All these groups have institutionalized theological errors and immorality, and now \u2013 in some instances \u2014 call evil good, and heresy, orthodoxy. I don\u2019t think reactionaries have the slightest inkling of what <em>real <\/em>\u201cnear-spiritual death\u201d looks like.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"75\">\n<li>Obviously, modernism has filtered down to reactionaries also, since they are so pessimistic about the Church, just like the most liberal, skeptical German higher critics of the 19th century. They doubt the council; they doubt the pope. The Church is practically in shambles; almost in the grips of Antichrist himself . . . What better success could the modernists achieve than to get a committed, devout Catholic to doubt those things, even while he bashes the modernists who have assisted in the promulgation of such loss of belief (though not through the council itself)?! The entire reactionary argument about the virtual downfall of the Church is based on a subjective house of cards. Once logic and consistency are introduced to it, it collapses. It has more holes in it than a pin cushion. The opposing view is based on objective facts of Church history, and the analogy of earlier councils and crises (following Newman\u2019s methodology in his <em>Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine<\/em>). Pre-conciliar authorities and popes express views diametrically opposed to those espoused by reactionaries.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"76\">\n<li>\u201cAuto-demolition\u201d is a favorite reactionary expression for the alleged institutional demise of the Church. Yet is this term applied to any other troubled period of Church history? It is not. Since the Church always revived itself from very deep pits of decadence and heretical outbreaks in the past, according to the principle of indefectibility and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, it obviously would make no sense to do so. But as many reactionaries apparently aren\u2019t sure of the outcome of <em>this<\/em> crisis, seemingly lacking faith in God\u2019s designs in the worst of circumstances (we call that <em>providence<\/em> and <em>sovereignty<\/em> in theology), they utilize a phrase that would be patently ludicrous in other historical circumstances. Malcolm Muggeridge wrote about \u201cThe Great Liberal Death Wish.\u201d I guess many reactionaries believe that Christ\u2019s own Church \u2014 His Body \u2014 is rapidly committing suicide as well. How sad . . .<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"77\">\n<li>If the council and popes are positively promulgating \u201cgrave\u201d heretical error, then surely the Satanic conspiracy to overthrow the Church is complete, and the \u201cgates of hell\u201d have prevailed against the Church, contrary to our Lord\u2019s promises (Matthew 16:18). This would, of course, raise further thorny difficulties for orthodox Christology.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"78\">\n<li>We need not start believing that the Church has self-destructed now because of the modernist crisis, since it isn\u2019t much worse than the Arian crisis, or the \u201cReformation\u201d crisis, or the Great Schism, or the rupture of 1054, or recurring periods of moral decadence.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"79\">\n<li>G. K. Chesterton:<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<blockquote><p>I suspect that we should find several occasions when Christendom was thus to all appearance hollowed out from within by doubt and indifference, so that only the old Christian shell stood as the pagan shell had stood so long. But the difference is that in every such case, the sons were fanatical for the faith where the fathers had been slack about it. This is obvious in the case of the transition from the Renaissance to the Counter-Reformation. It is obvious in the case of a transition from the eighteenth century to the many Catholic revivals of our own time . . . Just as some might have thought the\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Church simply a part of the Roman Empire, so others later might have thought the Church only a part of the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages ended as the Empire had ended; and the Church should have departed with them, if she had been also one of the shades of night. (<em>The Everlasting Man<\/em>, Garden City, New York: Doubleday Image, 1925, 250-252)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ol start=\"80\">\n<li>The liberal frowns upon the institutional Church. The Protestant denies that the One True Church \u201csubsists\u201d in the Catholic Church, or re-defines it as invisible. The quasi-schismatic reactionary believes that the Catholic Church could somehow collapse institutionally (just as many historically sophisticated Protestants think was the case with the late medieval Catholic Church).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol start=\"81\">\n<li>Do reactionaries think that God will condemn anyone for having <em>too<\/em> <em>much <\/em>faith in His Church and His protection of it from error and defection into heresy?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>************************************<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800080;\">Related Reading<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/09\/could-the-catholic-church-go-off-the-rails-indefectibility.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cCould the Catholic Church Go Off the Rails?\u201d (Indefectibility)<\/a>\u00a0[1997]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/09\/indefectibility-god-protect-church-doctrinal-error.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Indefectibility: Does God Protect His Church from Doctrinal Error?<\/a>\u00a0[11-1-05; abridged and reformulated a bit on 2-14-17]<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/12\/gates-hell-shall-not-prevail-church.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cThe Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail\u201d Against the Church<\/a>\u00a0[11-11-08]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/12\/indefectibility-of-the-one-true-church-vs-calvin-9.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Indefectibility of the One True Church (vs. Calvin #9)<\/a>\u00a0[5-16-09]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/01\/indefectibility-apostolic-succession-vs-calvin-10.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Indefectibility &amp; Apostolic Succession (vs. Calvin #10)<\/a>\u00a0[5-18-09]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/02\/sunny-optimism-re-gods-guidance-of-his-church.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sunny Optimism Regarding God\u2019s Guidance of His Church Now and Always (Including Liturgical Discussion)<\/a>\u00a0[7-22-11]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/01\/dialogue-w-lutheran-on-ecclesiology-ot-indefectibility-analogies.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dialogue with a Lutheran on Ecclesiology &amp; Old Testament Indefectibility Analogies<\/a>\u00a0[11-22-11]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2011\/11\/st-francis-de-sales-argument-against.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">St. Francis de Sales: Bible vs.\u00a0Total Depravity (+ Biblical Evidence for the Indefectibility of the Church, from the Psalms)\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0[11-24-11]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/03\/bible-on-indefectibility-of-the-church.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Bible on the Indefectibility of the Church<\/a>\u00a0[2013]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/02\/salesian-apologetics-1-indefectibility-of-the-church.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Salesian Apologetics #1: Indefectibility of the Church<\/a>\u00a0[2-4-20]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/07\/pope-francis-accusers-reject-magisterial-teaching-on-popes.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pope Francis Accusers Reject Magisterial Teaching on Popes (The pope\u2019s teaching is indefectible and cannot be judged or \u201coverruled\u201d by any man: or even an ecumenical council)<\/a>\u00a0[7-23-20]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/12\/dialogue-7-w-1p5-columnist-timothy-flanders.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dialogue #7 w 1P5 Columnist Timothy Flanders (Highlighting Papal Indefectibility,\u00a0<em>Pastor Aeternus<\/em>\u00a0from Vatican I in 1870, &amp; the \u201cCharitable Anathema\u201d)<\/a>\u00a0[12-1-20]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2020\/12\/pastor-aeternus-1870-can-a-pope-ever-make-heresy-binding.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Pastor Aeternus<\/em>\u00a0(1870): Can a Pope Ever Make Heresy Binding?<\/a>\u00a0(Dr. Robert Fastiggi and Ron Conte; edited by Dave Armstrong, in Response to Timothy Flanders) [12-1-20]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2021\/03\/papal-indefectibility-dr-fastiggi-vs-fr-z.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Papal Indefectibility: Dr. Fastiggi vs. Fr. 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To learn about the different methods of contributing, see my page:\u00a0<a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/about-dave-armstrong-2.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong \/ Donation Information<\/a>.\u00a0<strong><em>Thanks a million<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0from the bottom of my heart!<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\">***<br>\n*<\/div>\n<div dir=\"auto\"><em>Summary<\/em>: Chapter 3 (pp. 31-35) of my book, <em>Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries<\/em>\u00a0(December 2002; revised in December 2023 for the free online version).<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Chapter 3 (pp. 31-35) of my book, Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries (December 2002; revised second edition: 17 August 2013; slightly revised again in December 2023 for the purpose of the free online version). 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