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Reply to Traditionalist Critic Kevin Tierney<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"Catholic<\/p>\n

\u201cShort\u201d video message concerning Catholic Answers apologist Tim Staples\u2019 teaching tour in Australia in June 2011<\/span> [You Tube<\/a> \/ CC0 license<\/a>]<\/p>\n

(1-25-15)<\/p>\n

*****<\/p>\n

I have already critiqued<\/a> Kevin\u2019s\u00a0statement: \u201c. . . the guys at Patheos,\u00a0Catholic Answers, . . . Whatever good they do is far outweighed by the bad they do, . . .\u201d\u00a0This ridiculous (almost self-evidently false) observation occurred in his article, The Hijacking of the Catholic Mind<\/a>, posted at Catholic Lane<\/i>, on 24 February 2015.<\/p>\n

I simply posted the URL and title of this<\/em> piece on Kevin\u2019s Facebook page, to inform him of it. This is how he responded [my numbers and bracketed comments added]:<\/p>\n

1) Go away troll<\/p>\n

2) [nine minutes later] I\u2019m not going to block you for pointless trolling, but I trust you to have the dignity to show yourself out. If you wanna stick to topic, feel free.<\/p>\n

If its \u201coh btw here\u2019s something completely unrelated on how Kevin is not only wrong but a filthy dirty lying liar neenerneenerneener someone pay attention to me, again, you aren\u2019t banned, but I trust you not to waste the time of myself or my friends.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Okay! I replied there (insofar as one can reply at all<\/em> to such nonsense):<\/p>\n

It\u2019s an old-fashioned thing and a courtesy: letting someone know you wrote a piece criticizing them, so they can respond if they like. Sorry Kev! Go ahead and name-call and cry Chicken Little if you wish.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Then he made the following\u00a0statement in the comments of my blog article about him (2-25-15):<\/p>\n

Oh yeah, and it wouldn\u2019t hurt CA [Catholic Answers] to talk about Catholic Social teaching that isn\u2019t pro-life related. But that would be in the best interests of most American Catholics.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It\u2019s simple enough to verify such things. Has Kevin ever heard of a site search? Catholic Answers has one, which makes it easy to determine what they address or do not write about. Kevin either didn\u2019t know<\/em> that (which is inconceivable) or didn\u2019t care<\/em> enough to do a search, in order to back up his bogus charge. If the latter, then what does that say about his journalistic ethics and the solidity of his research therein? He thinks he can just throw out any undocumented, mindless accusation, as if no one would or could be able to check it out<\/em>? Apparently so.<\/p>\n

This is part and parcel of what I have criticized about him. He writes many good things, and has a lot valuable insights. But alongside those are (even if relatively rarely) these sorts of prejudiced, non-factual whoppers. I contend (based on long observation) that this sort of junk flows from his \u201clove-hate\u201d relationship to apologetics.<\/p>\n

He also seems concerned with spreading the thought that apologists (including Catholic Answers) are far more divisive and contentious than the large group that includes mainstream \u201ctraditionalists\u201d and the extreme, fringe radical Catholic reactionaries. He\u2019s in the former group, and it appears quite likely to me that he is attempting to create a narrative over against the widespread perception (and I would say, reality) that both \u201ctraditionalists\u201d and the reactionary extremists tend to be too much on the \u201cnegative\u201d end of the spectrum: naysayers, doom-and-gloom pessimists; always criticizing and complaining about the Church. This is all the more true today, with the ever-present bashing of and calumnies and disrespect towards Pope Francis (and not just from the reactionaries, by a long shot).<\/p>\n

Kevin tries very hard to counteract that perception, whereas other \u201ctraditionalists\u201d freely admit that it is an internal problem of the movement, but try to be different themselves<\/i>, and don\u2019t regard it as a deal-breaker (after all, sin and shortcomings are universal, and present in every social group). Kevin, on the other hand, seeks (it seems to me) to convey the idea that it\u2019s the apologists en masse<\/i>, \u2014 not the \u201ctraditionalists\u201d \u2014 who are the negative folks: the ones with the unsavory attitudes and approach to life and Internet discourse.<\/p>\n

But anyway, I did a search at Catholic Answers. It was tough to initiate, but after I thought a long time about it, I came up with (amazingly enough) \u201csocial teaching.\u201d The following articles and radio shows came up in the search (with a few that I found associated with others from this primary search, and additional searches such as \u201cRerum Novarum\u201d and \u201csubsidiarity,\u201d etc.):<\/p>\n

Illegal Immigration and Catholic Social Teaching<\/a>\u00a0[Tim Staples video; no date]Reclaiming Catholic Social Teaching<\/a> [Anthony Esolen on Catholic Answers Live<\/i>, 11-26-14]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Seven Principles of Catholic Social Teaching<\/a> [Christopher Kaczor, This Rock<\/i>, April 2007]<\/p>\n

Who\u2019s Afraid of Catholic Social Teaching?<\/a> [Mark Brumley on Catholic Answers Live<\/i>, 4-22-09; \u201cEncore\u201d<\/a>\u00a0on 7-6-09]<\/p>\n

Social Justice Isn\u2019t Left or Right; It\u2019s Catholic<\/a> [Leon J. Suprenant, This Rock<\/i>, May 2011]<\/p>\n

Did the Church Change Its Teaching on the Death Penalty?<\/a> [Christopher Kaczor,\u00a0 This Rock<\/i>, July 2010]<\/p>\n

The U.S. Bishops, Health Care, and Public Policy<\/a> [Jeffrey A. Mirus,\u00a0 This Rock<\/i>, November 2009]<\/p>\n

If You Want Justice, Work for Chastity <\/a>[Gregory R. Beabout,\u00a0 This Rock<\/i>, July 2008]<\/p>\n

Pope of the Worker<\/a> [Matthew E. Bunson, This Rock<\/i>, December 2007]<\/p>\n

Catholic Charity: Something New Under the Sun<\/a> [Thomas E. Woods Jr.,\u00a0This Rock<\/i>, July 2007]<\/p>\n

Is the death penalty permissible for criminals who are violent in prison?<\/a> [Jim Blackburn, Quick Questions<\/i>]<\/p>\n

Religious Liberty <\/a>[Tim Staples, Catholic Answers Blog, 9 January 2015]<\/p>\n

What About Waterboarding?<\/a> [Todd Aglialoro, Catholic Answers Blog, 1 May 2014]<\/p>\n

Waterboarding Reconsidered<\/a> [Michelle Arnold,\u00a0 Catholic Answers Blog, 3 May 2014]<\/p>\n

Hasn\u2019t the Church destroyed an entire continent by preaching against condoms for protection from AIDS? <\/a>[Catholic Answers Staff, Quick Questions<\/i>]<\/p>\n

The Care and Feeding of Poor Souls<\/a> [Michelle Arnold,\u00a0 Catholic Answers Blog, 26 January 2015]<\/p>\n

When Is It Okay to Disobey? Catholics and Civil Disobedience<\/a> [Fr. Frank Pavone, This Rock<\/i>, March 2010]<\/p>\n

Interview with a Besieged Bishop <\/a>[from Nigeria] [Patrick Coffin, Catholic Answers Blog, 13 February\u00a0 2015]<\/p>\n

Jesus is Not the Property of Liberal Commentators<\/a> [Trent Horn, Catholic Answers Blog, 6\u00a0 November 2014]<\/p>\n

How to Argue Against Women in Combat?<\/a> [ Karl Keating, Catholic Answers Blog, 29 January 2013]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Women in Combat: Contra Naturum<\/a> [Christopher Check, Catholic Answers Blog, 4\u00a0 February 2013]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Should Catholics Be Environmentalists?<\/a> [Ron Rychlak, This Rock<\/i>, October 2008]<\/p>\n

The Alliance of Narcissus and Leviathan<\/a> [Anthony Esolen, This Rock<\/i>, March 2011]<\/p>\n

A Fair Account? The Golden Rule in Catholic Journalism<\/a>\u00a0[Russell Shaw,This Rock<\/i>, April 2009]<\/p>\n

The Church and the Native Americans: The Real Story <\/a>[Margaret Bunson, This Rock<\/i>, April 2009]<\/p>\n

There and Back Again: A Catholic Homesteader\u2019s Tale<\/a> [Devin Rose, Catholic Answers Blog, 1 October\u00a0 2014]<\/p>\n

Islam and Sex Slavery <\/a>[Robert Spencer, Catholic Answers Blog, 2 June 2014]<\/p>\n

Defusing the Population Bomb <\/a>[Steven Mosher, Catholic Answers Live<\/i>, 4 December 2009]<\/p>\n

Population: Explosion or Implosion? <\/a>[Steven Mosher, Catholic Answers Live<\/i>, 12 October 2011]<\/p>\n

\u2014 Note<\/b>: This Rock <\/i>is the former name for what is now known as Catholic Answers Magazine<\/i> \u2014<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And of course, this list is nowhere near exhaustive. It is from what is now<\/i> available online: only from the years 2007-2015. There is still also a huge backlog of articles and radio shows no longer available for free on their sites.<\/p>\n

I guess all this, too, is part of the miniscule (?) portion of \u201cgood\u201d that Catholic Answers does, that is, of course (sez Judge Kevin) \u201cfar outweighed by the bad<\/i> they do\u201d (my italics). When you\u2019re out to tar a person or group with a false stereotype, what you do is ignore <\/i>everything that doesn\u2019t fit into the caricature: pretend that it doesn\u2019t exist at all.<\/p>\n

We apologists supposedly do nothing but [hyper-]\u201drational\u201d analysis and we don\u2019t care about things like prayer, social justice, care for the poor, etc. (i.e., anything in the faith not directly related to reason and logic). For Kevin and those who cynically categorize as he does, it has to be an either\/or analysis. Catholic Answers represents the apologetics world, therefore (in Kevin\u2019s mind) it doesn\u2019t deal with Catholic social teaching<\/i>, because, well, apologists don\u2019t do\u00a0<\/i>that!<\/p>\n

See how the \u201creasoning\u201d works? It\u2019s preconceived ideology and putting folks into a box before even examining them to see if the facts<\/i> line up with the mythmaking. And (don\u2019t forget!), Catholic Answers also must not <\/i>care for the poor, either, since it raises money and offers cruises peopled by mostly well-to-do folks. So Kevin would have it (or so it seems, from his rhetoric). I\u2019ve dealt with the \u201cCatholic Answers cruises controversy\u201d<\/a> elsewhere, too.<\/p>\n

*****<\/p>\n

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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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