{"id":84,"date":"2015-08-13T21:19:06","date_gmt":"2015-08-14T01:19:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=84"},"modified":"2017-05-21T18:01:23","modified_gmt":"2017-05-21T22:01:23","slug":"basic-protestant-catholic-differences-regarding-the-rule-of-faith-sola-scriptura","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/basic-protestant-catholic-differences-regarding-the-rule-of-faith-sola-scriptura.html","title":{"rendered":"Protestant-Catholic Differences Re the Rule of Faith &#038; &#8220;Sola Scriptura&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"color: #141823; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/08\/BookofKells.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-85\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/08\/BookofKells-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"BookofKells\" width=\"400\" height=\"533\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The Book of Kells, c. 800 (Ireland): folio 292r: the beginning of the Gospel of John<\/span> [<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Book_of_Kells#\/media\/File:KellsFol292rIncipJohn.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">public domain \/ Wikipedia<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\"><strong>Protestantism<\/strong>: Scripture is the only infallible authority (<em>sola Scriptura<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\"><strong>Catholicism<\/strong>: \u201cthree-legged stool\u201d comprised of Bible-Tradition-Church, with the assumption of apostolic succession, and including ecumenical councils and popes.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">I\u2019ve written two books, and lengthy parts of several others, just about that.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">This is one fundamental principle of both versions of Christianity, and probably the one from which everything else might be said to be derived.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Many Protestants note that the Catholic Church claims to authoritatively interprets the Bible, which is true (though not exactly how they <em>perceive<\/em> it, in most instances, upon probing). But what they often don\u2019t say (the hidden or unconscious premise) is that Protestants <em>also<\/em>\u00a0interpret (and <em>have<\/em>\u00a0to interpret) the Bible, just as we do. The Bible isn\u2019t self-evident (as the Protestant view, in effect, would have it). And this is why Protestants notoriously disagree on many major issues. The classic one I highlight in my first book is baptism: where they have five major views.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">The real choice, then, isn\u2019t:<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823; padding-left: 30px;\">\u201cBible vs. Church\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">but rather:<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823; padding-left: 30px;\">\u201cIndividual or denominational interpretation of the Bible vs. an interpretation of an authoritative Church based on 2,000 years of unbroken developing biblical, apostolic, and patristic tradition and theology.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Seen that way, the Catholic approach is clearly (I think) superior, because it has historical substance and continuity, and isn\u2019t individualistic or sectarian (which is not a biblical concept at all: nor has anyone ever remotely shown it to be).<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Protestants often\u00a0think Catholics are running down the Bible whenever we criticize<em> sola Scriptura<\/em>, because they are taught to think in illogical \u201ceither\/or\u201d terms, and because they equate <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> with love and reverence for the Bible (the two are <em>not at <strong>all<\/strong><\/em> the same thing).<\/p>\n<p>The Bible uses similar, Catholic-like \u201cboth\/and\u201d language: \u201cWhat does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?\u201d (James 2:14, RSV). The point is that faith and works inevitably must be <em>together<\/em>. By the\u00a0reasoning of many Protestants, saying that faith is of no profit unless accompanied by works, is to run down faith. But of course, St. James is not doing that at all. He is simply saying that faith cannot be <em>isolated<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Likewise<\/em>, we Catholics say that the <em>Bible<\/em> is not isolated. To assert this is not to run it down<em> at all<\/em>\u00a0(not in the slightest), anymore than faith is run down in Scripture. The fault lies in the erroneous interpretation of the language and the idea.<\/p>\n<p>Many a Protestant simply assumes illogically that to disagree with <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> (the false notion that the Bible is the only infallible source of authority) is <em>automatically<\/em> to disrespect Scripture. This is absurd. Basically, it amounts to saying, \u201cif you don\u2019t take my particular position on the rule of faith, you\u2019re a bad guy. No one could <em>possibly<\/em> disagree with<em> sola Scriptura<\/em> and also reverence the Bible. They<em> must<\/em>\u00a0agree with my [doctrinaire Protestant] position in order to love the Bible.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Needless to say, this is hogwash, and doesn\u2019t follow. Many Protestants are so wrapped up in <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> \u2014 like a fish in a fishbowl, that doesn\u2019t know it\u2019s in one, or that there is a world outside of the bowl \u2014 that they can\u2019t even <em>comprehend<\/em> or imagine any other position on the relationship of Bible, Church, and tradition, and so must run down any other view as somehow unsavory and irreverent.<\/p>\n<p>I was asked:\u00a0<span style=\"color: #141823;\" data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.0\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #141823;\" data-ft='{\"tn\":\"K\"}' data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body\"><span class=\" UFICommentBody _1n4g\" data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.0.$end:0:$text0:0\">\u201cWhy would one need [in order to bolster <em>sola Scriptura<\/em>] a statement from the <em>Bible<\/em> that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith?\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>I replied:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #141823;\" data-ft='{\"tn\":\"K\"}' data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body\"><span class=\" UFICommentBody _1n4g\" data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.0.$end:0:$text4:0\">1. because it is altogether to be expected that a source that is claimed as the only infallible one, would make the claim in the first place, and<\/span><\/span><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text0:0\">\u00a0not simply assume its own status as self-evident.<\/span><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text1:0\"><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text3:0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text4:0\">2. because it is the only way that the claim can escape vicious self-contradiction:\u00a0<\/span><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text5:0\"><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text7:0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text8:0\">A) there is one infallible source.<\/span><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text9:0\"><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text11:0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text12:0\">B) the claim of A is either infallible or fallible.<\/span><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text13:0\"><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text15:0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text16:0\">C) in order to be infallible, by the system\u2019s own criteria, it must be in the Bible itself.<\/span><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text17:0\"><br data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text19:0\"><span data-reactid=\".3.1:5:1:$comment450663074968683_93238940:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.1.$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$text20:0\">D) But it is not. Therefore, Protestants are relying on a fallible assertion of men (no different than any other tradition) in order to establish that a document is infallible. This makes no sense. It\u2019s thoroughly incoherent and inconsistent. Protestants rail against tradition and then turn around and are forced to use one in order to supposedly overthrow all tradition as authoritative.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>If anyone is interested in a much deeper analysis of this fundamental issue of Christian authority, I have written two entire books critiquing<em> sola Scriptura<\/em> (<a href=\"http:\/\/shop.catholic.com\/books-1\/apologetics\/100-biblical-arguments-against-sola-scriptura-set.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">one<\/a> \/ <a href=\"http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/collections\/sola-scriptura-and-the-authority-of-the-catholic-church\/products\/pillars-of-sola-scriptura-replies-to-whitaker-goode-biblical-proofs-for-bible-alone\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">two<\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Book of Kells, c. 800 (Ireland): folio 292r: the beginning of the Gospel of John [public domain \/ Wikipedia] Protestantism: Scripture is the only infallible authority (sola Scriptura). Catholicism: \u201cthree-legged stool\u201d comprised of Bible-Tradition-Church, with the assumption of apostolic succession, and including ecumenical councils and popes. 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Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \\\"Surprised by Truth\\\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \\\"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\\\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \\\"The Catholic Verses\\\" (2004), \\\"The One-Minute Apologist\\\" (2007), \\\"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\\\" (2009), \\\"The Quotable Newman\\\" (editor: 2012), and \\\"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\\\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \\\"The New Catholic Answer Bible\\\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \\\"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\\\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \\\"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\\\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \\\"Quotable Wesley\\\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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