{"id":8883,"date":"2016-09-26T12:23:02","date_gmt":"2016-09-26T16:23:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=8883"},"modified":"2016-12-28T18:31:42","modified_gmt":"2016-12-28T22:31:42","slug":"is-st-paul-superior-to-st-peter-dialogue","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/09\/is-st-paul-superior-to-st-peter-dialogue.html","title":{"rendered":"Is St. Paul Superior to St. Peter? (Dialogue)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><\/p><center><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-8884 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2016\/09\/Peter4.jpg\" alt=\"Peter4\" width=\"583\" height=\"767\"><\/center><center><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>St. Peter as Pope<\/em> (1610-1612), by Peter Paul Rubens (1577-1640)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Pope-peter_pprubens.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/center><center><\/center><center>*****<\/center><center><\/center><center>[1998; expanded on 5-13-02]<\/center>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><\/p><center>\u00a0A Baptist wrote on a public bulletin board (his words in <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>):<\/center><center><\/center><center>* * * * *<\/center>\u00a0\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">And, of course, some things happened after Paul\u2019s conversion . . . 1) He magnifies HIS office as the Apostle to the Gentiles. Romans 11:13, Romans 15:16.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Paul being sent to the Gentiles has not a whit to do with Peter\u2019s office and function. Why would you think it did? Peter\u2019s ministry is universal, so this merely reinforces our point in a roundabout sort of way.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">2) He authenticates his apostleship by claiming that he supposes he is not one whit less than the chiefest apostles (including Pope Peter). II Corinthians 11:5.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>This whole passage is tongue-in-cheek and sarcastic, but you neglect context in your attempt to undermine Peter\u2019s authority. He speaks of the \u201cfoolishness\u201d of his rhetorical remarks in 11:1. In 11:3-4 he speaks of those proclaiming \u201canother Jesus.\u201d These are the people he says he is \u201cnot in the least inferior to\u201d (NRSV). In that version, he refers to these false evangelists as \u201csuper-apostles\u201d (11:5). He reiterates that these deceivers are wolves in sheep\u2019s clothing, in 11:12-15. Needless to say, this passage has nothing whatsoever to do with St. Peter, unless you want to claim that he is \u201cSatan in disguise\u201d (11:14).<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">3) He is so confident of the New Testament truths given to him that he rebukes Pope Peter I to his face when he lapses into Judaistic practices contrary to the revealed truth of the gospel. Galatians 2:11-14.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Precisely: Peter was rebuked for hypocritical <i>practices, <\/i>as you correctly note. This has no bearing on his office, nor Paul\u2019s position relative to it. Catholics have a long history of laymen rebuking decadent popes, while remaining faithful to the Church (e.g., St. Bernard, St. Francis, St. Catherine of Siena). Peter was inconsistent with his <i>own<\/i> doctrine \u2014 hence the hypocrisy which Paul rebuked \u2014 otherwise the charge makes no sense at all. Upon reading Galatians 2:11-14, one sees the word \u201chypocrisy\u201d or \u201cinsincerity\u201d or \u201cdissimulation,\u201d according to various translations (NRSV, RSV, and KJV, respectively).<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>The word \u201cdissimulation\u201d in Gal 2:13 in the KJV is the Greek <i>hupokrisis<\/i> (Strong\u2019s word #5272) \u2013 from which is derived the English \u201chypocrisy.\u201d It is translated as \u201chypocrisy\u201d in the KJV at Mt 23:28; Mk 12:15; Lk 12:1; 1 Tim 4:2; 1 Pet 2:1. The cognate <i>hupokritees<\/i> is often applied by Jesus to the Pharisees (e.g., Mt 6:2, 5, 16; 7:5; 15:7, 16:3; 22:18; 23:13-15, 23, 25, 27, 29; Mk 7:6; Lk 11:44). We all know what \u201chypocrite\u201d means. This is what Peter was rebuked by Paul for.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>I find it very interesting that Jesus, while He often scathingly rebuked the Pharisees, nevertheless says:<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<ul>The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses\u2019 seat; therefore do whatever they teach you and follow it; but do not do as they do, for they do not practice what they teach. (Matthew 23:2-3; NRSV)<\/ul>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Pharisees had the teaching authority at that time, but were hypocritical in not following their own teaching. Yet Jesus (somewhat surprisingly) said to follow them as authorities anyway, because they sat on \u201cMoses\u2019 seat\u201d (i.e., they preserved the ongoing Tradition). Likewise, with Peter as the first pope, and likewise with all popes. We are obligated to obey them. If this was true even with regard to the thoroughly arrogant and spiritually-warped Pharisees, according to Jesus\u2019 own injunction, how much more so in the case of popes \u2014 an office expressly designated by our Lord to lead the Church?<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Are popes perfect? Obviously not. Peter wasn\u2019t (he denied Christ). Others have faltered in various ways. This is impeccability, which the Church doesn\u2019t teach. But this notion that popes\u2019 teaching can be dissented from is pure Protestantism and private judgment. They can indeed be rebuked for lapses of duty, cowardly behavior, etc.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Note also how the Apostle Paul respects the authority of the high priest, who wasn\u2019t even a Christian. In the account of his \u201ctrial\u201d before the chief priests (Acts 23:1-5), Paul was ordered by the high priest Ananias to be struck on the mouth. Paul immediately lashed out at him, saying, \u201cGod will strike you, you whitewashed wall! . . . \u201d (similar to Jesus\u2019 denunciations of the Pharisees). But when informed that he was the high priest, Paul appealed to his ignorance of that fact, desists, and says, \u201c. . . for it is written, \u2018You shall not speak evil of a leader of your people.\u2019 \u201c<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>In other words, he respected the leader, though not even a Christian, and far less an authority \u2014 in one sense \u2014 on spiritual matters than St. Paul. Then in 23:6 he calls himself a Pharisee, and many Pharisees defend him in 23:9. The whole point is that obedience to divinely-appointed leaders is not an option for the Catholic. Paul wouldn\u2019t even speak ill of the high priest. He calls us to imitate him elsewhere.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">4) Paul had a specific dispensation of the gospel given to him after Peter went to evangelize the circumcision, and Paul was to take the message of the church to the Gentiles. Ephesians 3:2, I Corinthians 9:16-17.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>No one would argue that St. Paul isn\u2019t sent to the Gentiles. Our point as Catholics would be to say that this doesn\u2019t undermine in the least St. Peter\u2019s role as the leader of the Apostles and the Church (see my <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/50-nt-proofs-for-petrine-primacy-the-papacy.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">50 NT Proofs<\/a>). If Peter was sent just to the Jews, why then, did he go to Antioch, and then Rome?<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">5) Peter was promised a throne in the regeneration, which is the earthly Millenium, judging the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL (Matthew 19:28), Paul is given a vision of the THIRD HEAVEN (II Corinthians 12:1-4).<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Funny you would mention something like this to the neglect of the mass of biblical evidence presented. Many people have visions, but only one was the rock upon which Christ built his Church, and only one was given the \u201ckeys of the kingdom of heaven.\u201d<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The distinction between Peter and Paul is a dispensational one. Peter is clearly the chief of the apostle to the nation of Israel, but Paul is clearly the chief apostle to the Gentile nations during the church age.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Again, with regard to Paul, this is clear. What you assert about Peter is not so clear in Scripture. In fact, quite the contrary would hold, in my opinion.<\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">With the rejection of Christ by the nation of Israel, God\u2019s separation from the Jews began, and His ministering to the Gentiles became more pronounced. (Acts 13:48) This is why the Holy Spirit is more concerned with the ministry of Paul from Acts 16-28, as opposed to the primacy of Peter in Acts 1-15.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>Yes, since the book of Acts is about the spread of early Christianity to the world beyond Israel, it is logical that Paul\u2019s journeys would be in the forefront. But there is also much about Peter in the earlier chapters. So what do you disprove of my thesis? 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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