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This is the transcript for the seven-minute documentary, Science & the Search for the Garden of Eden<\/a> (5-10-25), by myself and Kenny Burchard (artwork and production) on our YouTube channel, Lux Veritatis<\/em><\/a> (commenced on 5-1-25). Please visit and subscribe, comment, like, and share. We\u2019re just getting started, and have big, big plans!<\/p>\n

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Everyone has heard of the\u00a0Garden of Eden: the paradise with Adam and Eve, the first human beings made in the image of God. Is it merely a fairy tale and a myth? Perhaps surprisingly, the Bible in its first\u00a0book of Genesis provides intriguing\u00a0historical and geographical information \u2014 in a way very unlike mythology \u2014 making it possible to make\u00a0a very educated guess as to where Eden may have been located. These fascinating\u00a0tidbits are found in Genesis 2:10-14 (I use the RSV):<\/p>\n

A river flowed out of\u00a0Eden\u00a0to water the garden, and there it divided and became\u00a0four rivers<\/em>. The name of the first is\u00a0Pishon<\/em>; it is the one which flows around the whole land of\u00a0Havilah<\/em>, where there is\u00a0gold<\/em>; . . .\u00a0bdellium<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0onyx<\/em>\u00a0stone<\/em>\u00a0are there. The name of the second river is\u00a0Gihon<\/em>; it is the one which flows around the whole land of\u00a0Cush<\/em>. And the name of the third river is\u00a0Tigris<\/em>, which flows east of\u00a0Assyria<\/em>. And the fourth river is the\u00a0Euphrates<\/em>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Note that the text names four rivers, two of them, very well-known today, two types of minerals, a gum-resin (bdellium), and three place-names. These are the ten starting-points for our\u00a0quest for Eden: if indeed it was a real\u00a0place that existed in time and space.<\/p>\n

The Tigris and Euphrates rivers meet about 121 miles north of the Persian Gulf and flow into it, in a river called the Shatt al-Arab, in Mesopotamia or present-day Iraq. But what can we learn about the Pishon and Gihon rivers in the text? As to the first, it was discovered in the mid-1990s through satellite images that there used to be a long river in Arabia and Kuwait, which was located in the current dry riverbed called Wadi al-Batin.<\/p>\n

In the past it flowed into the Tigris and Euphrates basin\u00a0north of the Iraqi town of Umm Qasr, as evidenced by a delta\u00a0plain of cobbles and smooth pebbles including basalt and granite,\u00a0which are found in abundance in western Arabia. It\u2019s believed that this river dried up around 2000 BC, as the climate of Saudi Arabia turned hyper-arid. We know that the same thing happened in the Sahara Desert in Africa, around 4000 BC.<\/p>\n

Satellite photos revealed that this river extended westward into Arabia, with several branches; one of which extends to the area of the Mahd adh Dhahab gold mine, still identifiable today in northwest Saudi Arabia near the Red Sea. Gold has been mined there since around 3000 BC, and it was once one of the\u00a0richest gold mines in the world. Havilah is thought by scholars to be in the northern\u00a0deserts of Arabia.<\/p>\n

There are many onyx quarries to this day in Saudi\u00a0Arabia. Likewise, bdellium, a gum-resin like frankincense and myrrh, also grew in ancient Arabia.<\/p>\n

This leaves us with the Gihon River. What can we find out about that? Cush in this passage has been identified by several scholars with the\u00a0Kashshi, or Kassites, who came from what is now western Iran. They conquered Babylonia in the seventeenth century B.C., and ruled over it for several hundred years. The only navigable river in Iran is the Karun river.<\/p>\n

The Hebrew word translated as \u201cflows around\u201d in the RSV is\u00a0sabab<\/em>, [saw-bab] translated as \u201ccompasseth\u201d in the King James Version, so in this verse it means to \u201csurround\u201d or \u201cencompass\u201d or \u201cwind around\u201d the land in which it flows. This is true of the Karun which twists and turns throughout its 510 miles, covering only a distance of 175 miles from a bird\u2019s eye view. The Karun flows into the Shatt al-Arab 68 miles south of where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers\u00a0meet, and 53 miles north of the Persian\u00a0Gulf.<\/p>\n

To sum up, then, the Bible states that a river \u201cflowed out of Eden\u201d and \u201cdivided\u201d and \u201cbecame four rivers. We have now plausibly identified all four and we know that a single large river that they all flow into, empties into the Persian Gulf. Thus, the Garden of Eden would have existed alongside or on both sides of this river, called the Shatt al-Arab. But things get more complicated when we learn that the borders and sea level\u00a0of the Persian Gulf have changed.<\/p>\n

In a scientific article on this topic (linked in the intro.) by Kurt Lambeck,\u00a0he stated, \u201cThe present shoreline was reached shortly before 6000 years ago and exceeded as relative sea level rose l-2 meters above its present level, inundating the low-lying areas of lower Mesopotamia.\u201d<\/p>\n

So it may very well be that the Garden of Eden was in a location now\u00a0under the waters\u00a0of the northern Persian Gulf, or not far north of the present shore. In either case, the landscape and environment have vastly changed, as it has in many regions, particularly in the Near East.\u00a0The Bible provides us with many specific clues that lead us to the general area where it was.<\/p>\n

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Dave Armstrong,\u00a0The Word Set in Stone: How Archaeology, Science, and History Back Up the Bible<\/a><\/em>\u00a0(Catholic Answers Press: March 15, 2023, 271 pages); see chapter 1: pp. 19-28.<\/p>\n

[Geologist] Carol A. Hill,\u00a0\u201cThe Garden of Eden: A Modern Landscape,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith<\/em>\u00a052\u00a0(March 2000), 31\u201346.<\/p>\n

[Archaeologist] James Sauer,\u00a0\u201cThe River Runs Dry: Creation Story Preserves Historical Memory,\u201d\u00a0<\/a>Biblical Archaeology Review<\/em>\u00a022:4 (1996), 52\u201357, 64.<\/p>\n

\u201cMahd adh Dhahab\u201d<\/a>\u00a0[\u201cCradle of Gold\u201d], Wikipedia.<\/p>\n

\u201cHavilah,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0Jewish Encyclopedia<\/em>\u00a0(1906).<\/p>\n

\u201cBdellium,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0Jewish Encyclopedia<\/em>\u00a0(1906).<\/p>\n

\u201cKarun [River]\u201d,<\/a>\u00a0Wikipedia.<\/p>\n

\u201cKarun and Shatt Al-Arab River System: Historic and Modern Attempts to Manage Iran\u2019s Lifeline,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0Kenneth Ray Olson, Sergey Stanislavovich Chernyanskii,\u00a0Open Journal of Soil Science<\/em>, Vol.14 No.7, July 2024.<\/p>\n

\u201cShoreline reconstructions for the Persian Gulf since the last glacial maximum,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0Kurt Lambeck,\u00a0Earth and Planetary Science Letters<\/em>\u00a0142 ( 1996) 43-57.<\/p>\n

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Summary<\/em>: I dig deep into Genesis 2:10\u201314 and utilize satellite imagery, archaeological findings, and linguistic evidence to investigate one of the Bible\u2019s most fascinating mysteries.<\/p>\n

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Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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