{"id":94877,"date":"2025-11-30T17:51:50","date_gmt":"2025-11-30T21:51:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=94877"},"modified":"2025-11-30T17:51:50","modified_gmt":"2025-11-30T21:51:50","slug":"defense-of-my-top-5-un-protestant-bible-verses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2025\/11\/defense-of-my-top-5-un-protestant-bible-verses.html","title":{"rendered":"Defense of my &#8220;Top 5 Un-Protestant Bible Verses&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2025\/11\/SeeNoEvil-2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-94880\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2025\/11\/SeeNoEvil-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"398\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I did a presentation with Catholic apologist Suan Sonna on his channel, <em>Intellectual Catholicism<\/em>, called<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=JReLKi-UHwE\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cTop 5 Un-Protestant Bible Verses\u201d<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">(11-26-25). One<\/span> \u201c<a id=\"author-text\" class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope ytd-comment-view-model decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@alexanderarias494\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\" style-scope ytd-comment-view-model style-scope ytd-comment-view-model\">@alexanderarias494\u2033<\/span><\/a><span class=\" style-scope ytd-comment-view-model style-scope ytd-comment-view-model\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> (presumably, Alexander Arias) made a reply in the combox. This is my counter-reply. He said it was okay to do a blog post of the exchange. His words will be in<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span>. <span style=\"color: #000000;\">Portions in <span style=\"color: #008000;\">green<\/span> are from my original prepared presentation, for Suan\u2019s show.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Alexander made his reply and then we had exchanges about it in a general sense. I\u2019ll post those first and then get to an in-depth reply.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Interesting comment. Maybe next time you will interact with my actual reasoning instead of caricaturing my arguments and then proceeding to bash \u2019em.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If you think it\u2019s a caricature, feel free to point out which part wasn\u2019t accurate. I addressed your claims directly\u2026 pillar does not equal infallibility, Jesus using the Law does not equal works-salvation, \u201cthey\u201d does not equal \u201cwe\u201d in 1 Corinthians 15, parables does not equal theological instruction manuals, and judgment according to works does not equal salvation by works. If you believe your interpretations still stand, then show how\u2026 not just assert it. I interacted with the reasoning, you just didn\u2019t like how easily it fell apart.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I will reply after church today, and I\u2019ll also post your comments with my reply on my blog. Does that sound like I thought my arguments<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cfell apart\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">under your compelling reasoning? You never stop writing (here and on my channel), but you don\u2019t have much to <em>say<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">That is fine, reply whenever you want. Posting it on your blog is also fine. But notice something. Length does not equal substance. Saying you will reply later does not actually answer the points right now. None of my arguments depend on style or speed. They depend on the text itself. If you think I have nothing to say, then it should be very easy for you to deal with the actual claims instead of talking about how many words I write. Just show from the text where pillar means infallible, where Jesus teaches salvation by selling belongings, where Paul commands baptism for the dead as a Christian practice, where a parable about a rich man in torment becomes a doctrine of talking to the departed, or where works become the cause of salvation and not the result of it. Take your time. I am not going anywhere. But when you answer, answer the verses and not my typing habits.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> I don\u2019t need much time to answer your replies (and\/or \u201creplies\u201d). It\u2019ll be up in an hour or two, after I have my late lunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now onto my reply proper:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Dave\u2019s \u201cfive un-Protestant verses\u201d are basically a masterclass in reading Catholic doctrines into the Bible and then acting surprised when the text doesn\u2019t collapse under the weight.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is the usual empty contra-Catholic charge of relentless Catholic eisegesis. Protestant apologists and polemicists of Alexander\u2019s type simply can\u2019t fathom the notion that a Catholic may have a legitimate point to make about biblical texts: contrary to Protestant doctrine. They assume that they \u201cown\u201d the Bible and that they are the \u201cBible people\u201d in a way exponentially superior to any Catholic claims. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Therefore, given this hostile premise, we get the sweeping charge that the Catholic\u00a0 must\u00a0 be<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201creading Catholic doctrines into the Bible\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">(literally, what the word<em> eisegesis<\/em> means). Of course that has to be <em>demonstrated<\/em>, not just asserted. Alexander thinks he has done so. I think he offers a weak, insubstantial, failed reply and has scarcely even begun to \u201crefute\u201d what I have presented, as I will now painstakingly demonstrate.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>1 Timothy 3:15<\/strong>\u00a0(RSV) . . . the household of God, which is\u00a0<strong><em>the church<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0of the living God,\u00a0<strong><em>the pillar and bulwark of the truth<\/em><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">1 Timothy 3:15 calls the Church a pillar, not a printing press of infallible dogma. A pillar holds something up. It doesn\u2019t magically become the source of truth any more than Israel did when God called them His assembly. If \u201cpillar\u201d means infallible, then Corinth, Galatia, and Laodicea were all infallible too but Paul says otherwise.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is Alexander\u2019s entire reputed refutation of this section: four sentences. There\u2019s no way that that can even remotely refute what I gave. The notes alone that I prepared for the show with Suan, were 3,300 words, which would be roughly twelve pages of writing, and that\u2019s not counting the discussion back-and-forth with Suan (an hourlong show). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">And Alexander thinks he can refute the first part of five (my presentation of it was six paragraphs long) with four sentences (56 words)? It\u2019s simply not <em>possible<\/em>: whatever content he offers. He\u2019s not taking my argument <em>seriously<\/em>, which is what comes from having such hostile premises going in, as discussed above, and which inevitably produces a failed reply. This is why I said that he was \u201ccaricaturing my arguments.\u201d It\u2019s the old straw man routine.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But it\u2019s very easy to refute Alexander\u2019s 56 words above, because there\u2019s hardy <em>anything<\/em> <em>there<\/em>. It\u2019s like boxing with a paper opponent. We agree that<\/span> \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">A pillar holds something up.\u201d <\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Yes, that was a key part of my argument. But what does it <em>mean<\/em> to support something or be its foundation? I address that presuppositional factor in-depth and at some length; he does not. <em>I never claimed<\/em> that the Church was the<\/span> \u201c<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">source of truth.\u201d <\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is an example of the \u201ccaricature\u201d that typifies Alexander\u2019s reply. He doesn\u2019t even accurately report what I argued, and proceeds to knock down the straw man that he just invented.\u00a0 I said that the Church supported the truth, per Paul\u2019s statement and that we must think deeply about what that means; the implications of it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cCorinth, Galatia, and Laodicea\u201d <span style=\"color: #000000;\">are never described as \u201cpillars\u201d so it\u2019s irrelevant to bring them up. This is what we call a <em>non sequitur<\/em> in logic. Paul is clearly referring to the entire Church, not simply local congregations. \u201cChurch\u201d (Gk., <em>ekklesia<\/em>) is used that way many times in Scripture. And so this was Alexander\u2019s entire \u201cargument.\u201d It\u2019s not even worthy of the name. These are bald assertions, and two of them are immediately absurd or irrelevant.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He didn\u2019t address my arguments for what it <em>means<\/em> to be a pillar or bulwark. Protestants themselves say that<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.crossway.org\/articles\/2-essential-doctrines-of-the-reformation\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the two \u201cpillars\u201d of their so-called \u201cReformation\u201d<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">are <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> and <em>sola fide<\/em>. They obviously think that both are completely true beliefs, that their system is built upon. One is their rule of faith and the other is the heart f their incomplete and partially erroneous soteriology. They never question the truthfulness of either, precisely because these are their unquestionable axioms or premises. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Many Protestant reference sources support the straightforward meaning of \u201cpillar\u201d in 1 Timothy 3:15, almost identically to the way that I argued it:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>New Bible Dictionary<\/em> (1962), \u201cPillar\u201d: \u201d \u2018Pillar\u2019 is also used to describe . . . the Church as upholding the truth (1 Tim. iii.15) . . .\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><em>Eerdmans Bible Dictionary<\/em>, \u201cPilar\u201d: \u201c. . . the Church as that which upholds the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) . . . \u201c<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/ellicott\/1_timothy\/3.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Ellicott\u2019s Commentary for English Readers<\/em><\/a>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">This peculiar aspect of the Church, \u201dthe support and pillar of the truth,\u201d was dwelt upon probably by the Apostle as \u201cdefining\u2014with indirect allusion to nascent and developing heresies\u2014the true note, office, and vocation of the Church. . . . Were there no Church, there would be no witness, no guardian of archives, no basis, nothing whereon acknowledged truth could rest\u201d . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/barnes\/1_timothy\/3.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Barnes\u2019 Notes on the Bible<\/em><\/a>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">The word \u201cpillar\u201d means a column, such as that by which a building is supported, and then any firm prop or support;\u00a0Galatians 2:9;\u00a0Revelation 3:12. If it refers to the church here, it means that that is the support of the truth, as a pillar is of a building. It sustains it amidst the war of elements, the natural tendency to fall, and the assaults which may be made on it, and preserves it when it would otherwise tumble into ruin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Thus it is with the church. It is entrusted with the business of maintaining the truth, of defending it from the assaults of error, and of transmitting it to future times. The truth is, in fact, upheld in the world by the church. The people of the world feel no interest in defending it, and it is to the church of Christ that it is owing that it is preserved and transmitted from age to age. The word rendered \u201cground\u201d \u2013 \u03b5\u0314\u03b4\u03c1\u03b1\u03b9\u0301\u03c9\u03bc\u03b1 hedraio\u0304ma \u2013 means, properly, a basis, or foundation. The figure here is evidently taken from architecture, as the use of the word pillar is. The proper meaning of the one expression would be, that truth is supported by the church. as an edifice is by a pillar; of the other, that the truth rests \u201con\u201d the church, as a house does on its foundation. It is that which makes it fixed, stable, permanent; that on which it securely stands amidst storms and tempests; that which renders it firm when systems of error are swept away as a house that is built on the sand; compare notes on\u00a0Matthew 7:24-27.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The meaning then is, that the stability of the truth on earth is dependent on the church. It is owing to the fact that the church is itself founded on a rock, that the gates of hell cannot prevail against it, that no storms of persecution can overthrow it, that the truth is preserved from age to age. Other systems of religion are swept away; other opinions change; other forms of doctrine vanish; but the knowledge of the great system of redemption is preserved on earth unshaken, because the church is preserved, and because its foundations cannot be moved.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/jfb\/1_timothy\/3.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary<\/a><\/em>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Church is \u201cthe pillar of the truth,\u201d as the continued existence (historically) of the truth rests on it; for it supports and preserves the word of truth. He who is of the truth belongs by the very fact to the Church. Christ is the alone ground of the truth in the highest sense (1Co 3:11). The apostles are foundations in a secondary sense (Eph 2:20; Re 21:14). The Church rests on the truth as it is in Christ; not the truth on the Church. But the truth as it is in itself is to be distinguished from the truth as it is acknowledged in the world. In the former sense it needs no pillar, but supports itself; in the latter sense, it needs the Church as its pillar, that is, its supporter and preserver [Baumgarten]. The importance of Timothy\u2019s commission is set forth by reminding him of the excellence of \u201cthe house\u201d in which he serves; and this in opposition to the coming heresies which Paul presciently forewarns him of immediately after (1Ti 4:1). The Church is to be the stay of the truth and its conserver for the world, and God\u2019s instrument for securing its continuance on earth, in opposition to those heresies (Mt 16:18; 28:20). The apostle does not recognize a Church which has not the truth, or has it only in part.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/egt\/1_timothy\/3.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Expositor\u2019s Greek Testament<\/a><\/em>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Church, of the old covenant or of the new, is the divinely constituted human Society by which the support and maintenance in the world of revealed truth is conditioned. Truth if revealed to isolated individuals, no matter how numerous, would be dissipated in the world. But the Divine Society, in which it is given an objective existence, at once compels the world to take knowledge of it, and assures those who receive the revelation that it is independent of, and external to, themselves, and not a mere fancy of their own.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/commentaries\/pulpit\/1_timothy\/3.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Pulpit Commentary<\/em><\/a>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Church is the pillar of the truth. It supports it; holds it together \u2013 binds together its different parts. And it is the ground of the truth. By it the truth is made fast, firm, and fixed. <span class=\"cmt_word\">The ground<\/span>\u00a0(<span class=\"greek\">\u1f11\u03b4\u03c1\u03b1\u1f77\u03c9\u03bc\u03b1<\/span>). This word only occurs here at all;\u00a0<span class=\"greek\">\u1f11\u03b4\u03c1\u03b1\u1fd6\u03bf\u03c2<\/span>, common both in the New Testament, the LXX., and in classical Greek, means \u201cfixed,\u201d \u201cfirm,\u201d or\u201d fast.\u201d In the A.V. of\u00a01 Corinthians 7:37\u00a0and 1 Cor 15:58, \u201csteadfast;\u201d\u00a0Colossians 1:23\u00a0(where it is coupled with\u00a0<span class=\"greek\">\u03c4\u03b5\u03b8\u03b5\u03bc\u03b5\u03bb\u03b9\u03c9\u03bc\u1f73\u03bd\u03b1<\/span>), \u201csettled.\u201d Thence\u00a0<span class=\"greek\">\u1f11\u03b4\u03c1\u03b1\u03b9\u1f79\u03c9<\/span>\u00a0in late Greek, \u201cto make firm or fast,\u201d and\u00a0<span class=\"greek\">\u1f11\u03b4\u03c1\u03b1\u1f77\u03bc\u03b1<\/span>, the \u201cestablishment\u201d or \u201cgrounding\u201d of the truth; that in and by which the truth is placed on a sure and fixed basis.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Alexander completely ignored essential aspects of my argument, such as the biblical assertions that Jesus is the \u201ccornerstone\u201d of the Church, and the apostles and prophets also being part of the foundation (all of which presented total inspired truths); therefore, the Church is at the very least <em>infallible<\/em> (a far lesser gift than inspiration). This is how I put it:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Similarly, in Ephesians 2:19-20 Paul refers to the \u201chousehold of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.\u201d Prophets spoke \u201cin the name of the Lord\u201d and commonly introduced their utterances with \u201cthus says the Lord\u201d. They spoke the \u201cword of the Lord\u201d. Their messages cannot contain any untruths since the prophet is serving as God\u2019s spokesman or intermediary. Likewise, apostles proclaimed truth unmixed with error.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Jesus is the cornerstone,\u00a0and of course <em>He<\/em>\u00a0can\u2019t be a faulty foundation. And if apostles and prophets are infallible, likewise, so is the Church, \u201cbuilt upon\u201d them. The Church is even\u00a0<em>identified with Jesus himself<\/em>, by being called his \u201cBody\u201d. That the Church is so intimately connected with Jesus, is itself a strong argument that it\u2019s\u00a0infallible and without error regarding doctrine.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>Mark 10:17-21\u00a0<\/strong>And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, \u201cGood Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?\u201d [18] And Jesus said to him, . . . [19] You know the commandments: `Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.\u2019\u201d [20] And he said to him, \u201cTeacher, all these I have observed from my youth.\u201d [21] And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said to him, \u201cYou lack one thing; go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The Rich Young Ruler passage is just Jesus doing what Jesus does\u2026 using the Law to expose self-righteousness. He tells a guy who thinks he\u2019s crushing the commandments to \u201cbe perfect\u201d and \u201csell everything,\u201d and Catholics somehow think this is a literal salvation formula. Meanwhile Jesus literally says salvation is \u201cimpossible\u201d without God, which is the exact opposite of works-salvation, but sure, let\u2019s pretend that got lost in translation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">So Alexander gives me about the same number of words supposedly \u201crefuting\u201d my second biblical argument. My initial presentation \u2014 not counting my discussion of it with Suan, was five paragraphs long: two of them quite lengthy paragraphs. His reply is a farce and a joke, and doesn\u2019t address my actual arguments at all. Many people don\u2019t have the slightest clue how to actually debate or dialogue. Alexander is one of them. I explain what a true debate \/ dialogue is in my almost 25-year-old article, <\/span><a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/01\/good-discussion-back-forth-dialogue-vs-mutual-monologue.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Good Discussion: Back-and-Forth Dialogue vs.\u00a0\u201cMutual Monologue\u201d<\/a> [1-21-01].<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Alexander thinks that Jesus is somehow <em>against the Mosaic law<\/em> in this exchange with the young ruler. Nothing could be further from the truth. And he thinks this has little or nothing to do with salvation. Jesus is asked by him, \u201cwhat must I do to inherit eternal life?\u201d and His reply is to ask Him whether he kept the commandments (i.e.., the law). Jesus doesn\u2019t speak against that; doesn\u2019t say it was irrelevant to salvation (as Protestants habitually do).\u00a0 But He tells him that he has one additional work to do, to be saved: sell everything he owns. And that was because money was the young man\u2019s idol. But he is advised to do this extraordinary work, not merely to have faith alone in Him. I sarcastically expressed in my presentation what a \u201cProtestant Jesus\u201d <em>should<\/em> have said:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u201cwhy do you ask about works? You\u00a0<em>can\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0do\u00a0<em>any<\/em>\u00a0work to attain eternal life! You must have\u00a0<em>faith alone<\/em>!\u201d . . . \u201cIf you would enter life,\u00a0exercise faith alone\u00a0in the son of man. No commandments can save you. Say the sinner\u2019s prayer, so you\u00a0will be saved; and come, follow me.\u00a0Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a man\u00a0without faith alone\u00a0to\u00a0enter the kingdom of heaven.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In the parallel passage, Luke 10:27 the ruler sums up the law in saying, \u201c. . . You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.\u201d This is the very thing that Jesus elsewhere described as follows:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Matthew 22:36-40<\/strong> \u201cTeacher, which is the great commandment in the law?\u201d [37] And he said to him, \u201cYou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38] This is the great and first commandment. [39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In parallel passage Mark 12:31 Jesus says, \u201cThere is no other commandment greater than these.\u201d\u00a0So when the ruler repeated this \u201cgreatest\u201d commandment back to Jesus, how did Our Lord <em>respond<\/em>? He said, \u201cYou have answered right; do this, and you will live.\u201d In other words, living by what Jesus called \u201cthe great commandment\u201d of the Mosaic Law, would save one (\u201clive\u201d here meaning \u201ceternal life\u201d). Yet Alexander somehow manages to believe that Jesus is here<em> knocking<\/em> the Law. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The complete <em>opposite<\/em> is true. Jesus says here something that should by itself jar Protestants out of their <em>sola fide<\/em> error: that observing the Law and doing an extraordinary work are both the basis of salvation. He never mentions faith. Alexander also \u2014 typically of Protestants \u2014 assumes that no one can adequately observe the Mosaic Law. This is untrue. The Bible says that <em>many people<\/em> did so<\/span>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/armstrong-is-it-possible-to-keep-the-law\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">as I wrote about and documented<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In his last sentence, Alexander commits another <em>non sequitur<\/em>, by falsely assuming that we teach works-salvation (we don\u2019t: that is<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2022\/08\/semi-pelagianism-catholicism-vs-francisco-tourinho.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Pelagianism<\/a>, <span style=\"color: #000000;\">which the Catholic Church<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/09\/2nd-council-of-orange-sola-gratia-vs-total-depravity.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">condemned in the 6th century<\/a>) <span style=\"color: #000000;\">and that we supposedly deny that salvation is impossible without God (we don\u2019t at all: see the<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/council-of-trent-canons-on-justification.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">canons and decrees on justification from the Council of Trent<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>1 Corinthians 15:29-30, 32<\/strong>\u00a0Otherwise, what do people mean by being\u00a0<strong><em>baptized on behalf of the dead<\/em><\/strong>? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf? [30] Why am I in peril every hour? . . . [32] What do I gain if, humanly speaking, I fought with beasts at Ephesus? If the dead are not raised, \u201cLet us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Baptism for the dead? Paul doesn\u2019t command it, endorse it, or even say Christians do it. He calls it something they do, not something we do\u2026 basic pronoun literacy destroys the Catholic argument instantly. But since the Catholic interpretation depends on an apocryphal book they added later, the mental gymnastics make sense.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Alexander provides his by-now-expected superficial, utterly inadequate, farcical \u201creply\u201d \u2014 this time a whopping 48 words \u2014 to what many Protestant commentators (I cited two major ones) believe is the most difficult passage in the NT to understand. Paul does indeed endorse the practice of penances (secondary meaning of \u201cbaptism\u201d). He is speaking <em>rhetorically<\/em>, as he often does \u2014 especially in 1 Corinthians, which<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=DIV1&amp;byte=5230210\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">contains<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=DIV1&amp;byte=5230210\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">106<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=DIV1&amp;byte=5230210\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">question marks<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u2013, with the socratic-like questions. In other words, if the passage were <em>non<\/em>-rhetorical in form (i.e., literal), it would read something like the following:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">People are baptized on behalf of the dead because the dead are raised. This is why I myself am in peril every hour. I gain something by doing things like fighting with beasts at Ephesus, because, after all, the dead are raised and we can help them with our sufferings and penances, which have the greatest meaning, as opposed to a cynical attitude of \u201cLet us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I provided extensive reasoning for why I took the position I did (including similar Protestant analysis): all of which Alexander ignores, all the while claiming that he has refuted me to such an extent that I could have no counter-reply back. I\u2019m not gonna spend more of my valuable time (on this Sunday, the first of Advent) repeating what he will simply ignore or cover with rank insults for the second time, anyway. But if someone wants to hear my reasoning and actually take it seriously, the same argument is presented in my article, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2025\/10\/the-three-most-unprotestant-bible-verses-transcript.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cThe Three Most UnProtestant Bible Verses (Transcript)\u201d<\/a> (10-18-25; section at the end). I need not present it again here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">By now we see the pattern of Alexander\u2019s \u201carguments\u201d: which are little more than bald emptyheaded insults and empty sophistry, so I will spend a lot less time on the last two. He doesn\u2019t deserve anything more, being clearly \u2014 I know <em>now<\/em> \u2014 the sort of person that Paul commands us to avoid:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>2 Timothy 2:23<\/strong> Have nothing to do with stupid, senseless controversies; . . . (cf. 3:5-9)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Titus 3:9<\/strong> But avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels over the law, for they are unprofitable and futile.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I\u2019ll give someone <em>one<\/em> reply, as presently, mainly for the sake of<em> others<\/em> observing, but if I see that they don\u2019t know how to debate (yet <em>think<\/em> they do) and offer nothing of substance, and a lot of straw men and misrepresentations and insults (veiled or not), I won\u2019t waste my time again.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>Matthew 25:32-36, 40, 46<\/strong> Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, [33] and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. [34] Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; [35] for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, [36] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.\u2019 . . . [40] . . . `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.\u2019 . . . [46] And they will go away . . . into eternal life. <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Matthew 25 isn\u2019t Jesus giving you a merit badge checklist to earn heaven. He calls them \u201csheep\u201d before mentioning a single good deed. Their works reveal their identity; they don\u2019t create it. But when your theology needs salvation by charity work, everything starts looking like a spiritual performance review.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Another short mocking, fatuous, vapid supposed \u201crefutation\u201d . . . Alexander utterly ignores my reasoning. I won\u2019t bother to defend it because there\u2019s literally nothing here to deal with. He doesn\u2019t interact. He has not a clue about how rational, intelligent debate works; how it proceeds. It\u2019s the classic<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biola.edu\/blogs\/good-book-blog\/2017\/sophomore-syndrome\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201csophomore syndrome\u201d<\/a>: <span style=\"color: #000000;\">the kid who has learned a bit in one year of college and starts thinking that he or she \u201cknows everything.\u201d\u00a0 Rather than spend any more time on this asinine rant, I\u2019ll simply repeat this time my entire presentation. Let the reader decide if Alexander has \u201crefuted\u201d it:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Evangelical Protestants have a line they love to use when they are witnessing: especially if they know the person is a Catholic: \u201cIf you were to die tonight and God asked you why He ought to let you into heaven, what would you tell Him?\u201d But the odd and ironic thing is that I can\u2019t find anywhere in the Bible where God ever <em>speaks<\/em> like this. Nevertheless. These Protestants believe that if God did ask this, He would say that the criterion to get into heaven would be all about faith and belief in Jesus and not about works at all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">But <em>all Jesus does<\/em> in Matthew 25, which is exactly about this very thing: standing before God after we die, is talk about <em>works.<\/em> Why doesn\u2019t Jesus talk about faith <em>alone <\/em>and why does He never even mention faith <em>at all<\/em>?!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">One day I was curious, and I love to study the Bible, so I started to look up passages having to do with judgment day. I found fifty. Of these \u2013 here\u2019s the striking thing \u2014 <strong><em>not a single one<\/em><\/strong>stated that\u00a0<strong><em>faith alone<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0was the sole\u00a0<em>reason<\/em>\u00a0we were saved. None even <em>mentioned <\/em>faith, except for one: Revelation 21:8. It <em>included<\/em> faith (but not faith alone) along with works.\u00a0In the Bible \u2013 according to the above passage and these other 49 \u2014\u00a0 the exact\u00a0<em>opposite\u00a0<\/em>of what Protestants assert is true: if God asked us the canned \u201cProtestant\u201d question, and we replied by recounting repeated acts of charity and mercy and various other \u201cgood deeds\u201d that we had done, then we would be imitating what\u00a0<em>Jesus Himself\u00a0<\/em>did when\u00a0<em>He<\/em>\u00a0described how a person can enter heaven, but we would \u2013 for some reason \u2014 be rebuked for doing so. The <em>biblical<\/em> answer to this Protestant question, as I discovered, could include any one or all of the following 50 responses: direct quotes or very close paraphrases from the Bible [see the<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/10\/final-judgment-works-not-faith-50-passages.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">complete listing of these passages<\/a>]:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">God should let me into heaven because I am <em>characterized<\/em> by righteousness, integrity, uprightness of heart, good conduct, good ways and good fruits, good deeds, having done the will of God, endured to the end, hearing Jesus\u2019 words and doing them, feeding the hungry, providing drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, welcoming strangers, visiting the sick and prisoners, inviting the poor and maimed and lame and blind to my feast, good works, obeying the truth, being a good laborer and fellow worker with God, unblamable holiness, being wholly sanctified, a sound and blameless spirit and soul and body, being without spot or blemish, knowing God, obeying the gospel, sharing Christ\u2019s sufferings, and repentance.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Conversely, I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> wicked, committing abominations, angry with or insulting my brother, calling someone a fool, weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness, and the cares of this life, ungodly, suppressing the truth, doing evil, a coward,\u00a0faithless,\u00a0polluted, a\u00a0murderer, fornicator, sorcerer, idolater, or\u00a0a liar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong><em>This<\/em><\/strong> is how God and Bible-writers say we get to heaven. Now, I like to look up and see what the Bible says about any given topic at hand. I\u2019m weird that way. But so be it!<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>Luke 16:22-25, 27-31<\/strong> The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham\u2019s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; [23] and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Laz\u2019arus in his bosom. [24] And he called out, `<strong><em>Father Abraham, have mercy upon me, and send Laz\u2019arus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue<\/em><\/strong>; for I am in anguish in this flame.\u2019 [25] But Abraham said, `Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Laz\u2019arus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. . . .\u00a0 [27] And he said, `<strong><em>Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father\u2019s house<\/em><\/strong>, [28] <strong><em>for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment<\/em><\/strong>.\u2019 [29] But Abraham said, `They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.\u2019 [30] And he said, `<strong><em>No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent<\/em><\/strong>.\u2019 [31] He said to him, `If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.'\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">And Lazarus and the Rich Man? It\u2019s a parable, not a Vatican approved instruction manual on calling the dead for customer support. If this passage teaches intercession of saints, then apparently souls have literal tongues, Abraham runs an afterlife call center, and hell comes with a moisture deficit. Abraham doesn\u2019t intercede; he just delivers the point of the story: Scripture is enough, and if people won\u2019t listen to it, nothing else will convince them. The irony writes itself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Again, it\u2019s an insult to my intelligence, and that of anyone who reads this, to ludicrously pretend that this reply gets anywhere to within a million miles of disposing of my argument. Again, rather than waste my time even more and explain all that and play along with this idiotic mode of pseudo-\u201cdialogue\u201d, I simply repeat my original argument:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">This is a story \u2014 right from the lips of Jesus \u2014 about someone praying or making an intercessory request of someone other than God. The rich man makes a petition to Abraham but he says no, just as God will say no to a prayer not according to His will. It\u2019s not that Abraham <em>couldn\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0intercede (if that were true, he would have said so and Jesus would have made it clear), but that he\u00a0<strong><em>wouldn\u2019t<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0intercede in this instance (i.e., he refused to answer the request). The rich man asks Abraham again, begging, and Abraham refuses again. But he persists with a third petition, and Abraham refuses a third time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">If we were\u00a0<em>not<\/em>\u00a0supposed to ask saints to pray for us, Abraham would simply have said, \u201cyou shouldn\u2019t be asking <em>me<\/em> for anything; ask <em>God<\/em>!\u201d In the same way, angels refuse worship when it is offered, because only God can be worshiped. We see that in Revelation 19:9-10 and 22:8-9. St. Peter did the same thing with Cornelius (Acts 10:25-26). So did St Paul and Barnabas (Acts 14:11-15).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Jesus couldn\u2019t possibly have taught a false principle. Abraham doesn\u2019t deny that he is\u00a0<em>able<\/em>\u00a0to potentially send Lazarus to do what was requested; he only denies that it would\u00a0<em>work<\/em>\u00a0(by the logic of \u201cif they don\u2019t respond to greater factor\u00a0<em>x<\/em>, nor will they respond to lesser factor\u00a0<em>y<\/em>\u201d). It\u2019s assumed in the story that Abraham had the ability and authority to \u201canswer\u201d prayers, as God\u2019s representative.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Hence lies the dilemma. It matters not if both men are dead, or where they are (Hades, in this case: Lk 16:23); the rich man still couldn\u2019t do what he did, according to Protestantism, because it holds that no one can make a prayer request to anyone but God. But God is never mentioned in the entire story. The rich man asks for supernatural aid from one who has left the earthly life and has attained sainthood and perfection, with God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">So why did Jesus teach that the rich man asked Abraham to do things that Protestant theology would hold that only God can do? And why is the whole story about him asking\u00a0<em>Abraham<\/em>\u00a0for requests, rather than going directly to God and asking Him? This just isn\u2019t how it\u2019s supposed to be, from a Protestant perspective. All the emphases are wrong, and there are serious theological errors, committed by Jesus Himself (i.e., from the erroneous Protestant perspective). Praying to a saint is expressly taught by Our Lord Jesus.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\">One common but futile retort is to say that this is \u201conly a parable,\u201d and hence, supposedly can be dismissed as irrelevant. We reply that:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">1) Parables \u2014 like anything else Jesus says \u2013 could not contain falsehoods. Jesus couldn\u2019t and wouldn\u2019t teach error, including in His parables.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">2) I contend that the story about the rich man, Lazarus, and Abraham is not a parable in the first place, since parables don\u2019t include proper names, let alone names of known historical figures. Jesus isn\u2019t telling fairy tales, but recounting historical events.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">3) It isn\u2019t introduced as a parable, which is the standard biblical \u201cprotocol\u201d. In the same book, the phrase, \u201che told them a parable\u201d<\/span>\u00a0<em><a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=told+them+a+parable&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">occurs five times<\/a><\/em>: <span style=\"color: #008000;\">5:36; 6:39; 12:16; 18:1; 21:29. 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Just type your email address on the sidebar to the right (scroll down quite a bit), where you see, \u201cSign Me Up!\u201d\u00a0<em><strong>Thanks a million!<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<div>***<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>*<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"RichTextArticleBody\">\n<p><strong>Photo credit<\/strong>: <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">cropped version of a photograph by Geoffrey Fairchild (2-24-10)<\/span>\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/gcfairch\/4385543669\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">[Flickr<\/a>\u00a0\/\u00a0<a class=\" decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/2.0\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">CC BY 2.0<\/a>\u00a0license]<\/p>\n<p><em>Summary<\/em>: An anonymous commenter in a combox presents some of the most pathetic pseudo-\u201carguments\u201d in the history of the world, yet is convinced he has thoroughly refuted me.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I did a presentation with Catholic apologist Suan Sonna on his channel, Intellectual Catholicism, called \u201cTop 5 Un-Protestant Bible Verses\u201d (11-26-25). One \u201c@alexanderarias494\u2033 (presumably, Alexander Arias) made a reply in the combox. This is my counter-reply. He said it was okay to do a blog post of the exchange. His words will be in blue. 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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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