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This is the transcript for the video short of the same name<\/a> (1-7-26).<\/p>\n

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Lutheran professor and pastor Jordan Cooper, in his video entitled, \u201cWhere the Divide Between Roman Catholics and Protestants Really Lies\u201d<\/a> (1-6-26) stated: \u201c<\/em>the primary issue that divides us is that of the quantification of grace\u201d<\/span> (4:40) and criticizes the Catholic view that \u201cyou can get more<\/em> grace\u201d<\/span> (5:26). He describes this as \u201cforeign\u201d<\/span> (5:43) to the way Protestants think, and adds, \u201cthis really is in opposition to the message of the New Testament\u201d<\/span> (20:24). \u201cIt\u2019s not the New Testament conception of grace\u201d<\/span> (20:47). And lastly, \u201cI don\u2019t think you find that kind of thing among the Church fathers\u201d<\/span> (18:46).<\/p>\n

Oddly enough, he provides no<\/em><\/strong> Bible passages in support of his sweeping claim. I dealt with this issue way back in 2017, and I can provide ten Bible passages that contradict this outlook of his, that he thinks is a \u201cprimary\u201d dispute. Here we go! I cite RSV. The bracketed passages weren\u2019t in the video:<\/p>\n

[John 1:16<\/strong> And from his fulness have we all received, GRACE UPON GRACE.]<\/p>\n

Acts 4:33<\/strong>\u00a0\u2026\u00a0GREAT grace\u00a0was upon them all.<\/p>\n

Romans 5:20<\/strong>\u00a0\u2026\u00a0 where sin increased,\u00a0grace ABOUNDED ALL THE MORE,<\/p>\n

Romans 6:1<\/strong>\u00a0\u2026 Are we to continue in sin\u00a0that grace may ABOUND?<\/p>\n

Romans 12:3<\/strong>\u00a0For by the grace given to me I bid every one among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to\u00a0the MEASURE OF FAITH\u00a0which God has assigned him.<\/p>\n

Ephesians 4:7<\/strong>\u00a0But\u00a0grace was given\u00a0to each of us\u00a0according to the MEASURE of Christ\u2019s gift.<\/p>\n

[Hebrews 4:16<\/strong> Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and FIND GRACE TO HELP in time of need.]<\/p>\n

James 4:6<\/strong>\u00a0But\u00a0he gives MORE grace; therefore it says, \u201cGod opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.\u201d (compare 1 Peter 5:5)<\/p>\n

1 Peter 1:2<\/strong> \u2026 May grace and peace be MULTIPLIED to you. (same in 2 Pet 1:2)<\/p>\n

1 Peter 4:10<\/strong>\u00a0As each has received a gift, employ it for one another, as good stewards of God\u2019s\u00a0VARIED grace.<\/p>\n

2 Peter 3:18<\/strong>\u00a0But\u00a0GROW in the grace\u00a0and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

St. Augustine wrote, \u201cWhen sin is remitted, your sins fall,\u00a0your grace rises\u201d<\/span> [Explanations of the Psalms<\/em>, 103:12 (103, 16) ] and \u201conly let us love, only let us\u00a0grow in grace\u201d<\/span> [Explanations of the Psalms<\/em>\u00a0(128, 8) ] and \u201cthe\u00a0gifts of Divine grace\u00a0are many, and\u00a0one is greater and better than another\u201d<\/span> [On Holy Virginity<\/em>, 46] and \u201cwe\u00a0grow in grace\u201d<\/span> [Enchiridion: Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Love<\/em>, 115]. St. John Chrysostom wrote about St. Stephen: \u201che drew upon himself greater grace\u201d<\/span> [Homily XV on Acts 6:8].<\/p>\n

I respectfully submit that Rev. Cooper would benefit from doing a bit more study before he sets out to make these sorts of grandiose claims. At the very least, he could produce some alleged biblical proofs, as opposed to none. In any event, everyone benefits from hearing from the other side in big conflicts of importance, rather than merely unsupported claims from one side only. We must all follow the Bible wherever it leads us.<\/p>\n

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Summary<\/em>: Lutheran Jordan Cooper contends (minus Bible support) that \u201cmore grace\u201d or quantifiable grace is a notion not found in the Bible or the fathers. I provide 15 counter-proofs.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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